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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Blammo on May 18, 2004, 10:41:21 AM
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I found a way last night to help with increasing frame rates and decided to make this post. I woul dlike for anyone that has suggestions to respond here so other people can get this information. It will help everyone have a much better game experience.
I was having an issue where my frame rates were dropping really bad if I had the Level of Detail and the Object Display Size sliders set to the most detail (all the way to the left). It had to do with the number of triangles being displayed. Above 10,000 triangles, the frame rates would drop pretty severely. By the time I got to about 20,000 triangles, the frame rate was down below 20 fps. I wanted to keep the detail levels high (except for ground detail range, which I don't really care about), but keeping the first two sliders up was really killing it. I was also getting a lot of stutter aside from the frame rate drop.
Last night I decided to try something more radical. I turned off v-sync at the driver level. This had the effect of allowing my frame rate to shot through the roof (181 fps peak in game). But in addition my frames never dropped below 41 fps in game (that I saw) after making that change.
I did notice that it makes the tracers coming up from ack look a little different, but that is no loss to me in order to keep my frame rate up.
My specs:
Intel P4 3.0 Ghz
Abit IC7-MAX3 Motherboard
1 GB PC3200 DDR RAM
Asus nVidia FX 5900 Ultra with 256 MB DDR RAM
2 80 GB SATA 150 7200 RPM HDD in a RAID stripped 0 configuration
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It's worth noting that framrate with vsync off is unreliable. You might be seeing _parts_ of 41 frames, or some frames you might not even see.
Your monitor can display (For the sake of argument, lets say your monitors refresh rate is 75hz) 75 frames per second. It draws the screen 75 times per second, in regular intervals.
VSync works by holding the frame untill the monitor is ready to redraw. (So you get a maximum framerate of 75fps)
When you turn vsync off, the game is no longer syncronized with your monitor. So you'll get things where the monitor is displaying parts of two frames at once(As can be seen by a 'tearing' effect across the screen during fast movement). Also you'll get frames which are rendered in between redraws, so you never see them.
Lets say a frame takes 75% of the redraw time to draw. With vsync on, the video board will wait the other 25% of untill the monitor is ready to redraw. When you turn vsync off, the first thing the monitor will display is 75% of the first frame, as well as 25% of the second on top of the first. So you get two 'frames' where you would have gotten one with vsync off. In fast-movement, this will be evidenced by a quite obvious line going across the screen where the two frames meet. You're not actually SEEING any more. This is somethign of an oversimplification, but the basic idea is there.
Turning vsync off is good for benchmarking. It will improve your framerate numbers as well as eliminate the 'refresh rate' maximum framerate. It has no positive impact on what you actually see, and even will cause graphics artifacts.
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I appreciate the lesson in video refresh rates, even if that was not what I was looking for in this thread. Truth is, it HAS improved my visual experience and HAS had a positive impact. I do not see stutters and I do not see visual indicaters of FPS drop anymore. When I was using v-sync, I would have a lot of problems visually (not just watching my FPS). Now, everything is much smoother and I have not noticed any tearing effect. I will keep watching for that, though, just in case.
However, since you have knowledge of video issues, do you have any suggestions on how to tweak AH2 and/or your system (video card) to get better in game performance? That is ultimately what I am looking for. As set of helpful tips or trick to see what improve the AH2 game experience.
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Blammo, turn vsync back on and don't touch anything else. Other than FPS's above refresh rates vysnc should have no effect on frame rates. If it does, there is somthing screwy in you driver, or it dosn't suport triple buffering.
HiTech
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Ok, once again, maybe it is not supposed tohave an effect other than allowing frame rates over refresh rates, but in my case it does.
Regardless, I am still interested in other tweaks. I can't fly AH2 at 20 FPS. I am sure other could benefit from getting a few suggestions.
And, not to give you greif, but really, "don't touch anything else"? OK, Dad!
Honestly, I want to play the game and I am paying to play it. I have a computer that does not seem to have any other problems (at least that I have identified). Yet, it does have an issue in AH2 when I try to set the detail levels to what I consider playable. So, to do that I am going to tweak it...either that or I can play something else, but I prefer to play AH(2).
Just so you know, I tried the other suggestions I've seen:
I uninstalled and upgrade my video drivers to the latest and greatest.
I cleared all of the spyware off my system I could find.
I made sure my Direct X is up to date (9b, I belive).
I completely uninstalled AH2, deleted the old directories and reinstalled.
I have removed all sorts of other other applications and software from my system.
I have done performance test (yes, Dad, with vsync on) and did not find any problems their.
My system, as you can see, if not a hunk of junk, nor is it old.
So, Dad...instead of swatting my hands and telling me to leave things alone, how about a few helpful suggestions? Throw me a bone. After all, it is still beta so I assume you are still looking for possible issues to fix, right?
Please excuse any sarcasm. I guess I just don't appreciate being told to leave things alone on MY computer. Especially when I am paying someone else to use their software...and I just want to keep playing.
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So, Dad...instead of swatting my hands and telling me to leave things alone, how about a few helpful suggestions? Throw me a bone. After all, it is still beta so I assume you are still looking for possible issues to fix, right?
Please excuse any sarcasm. I guess I just don't appreciate being told to leave things alone on MY computer. Especially when I am paying someone else to use their software...and I just want to keep playing.
This whas a bit of a knee jerk response from you...
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Originally posted by Maniac
This whas a bit of a knee jerk response from you...
Well, I kind of felt the way I was being addressed was inappropriate. Just looking for positive suggestions instead of 'Don't do that.'
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What about "don't do that or you'll get the crappest ground crew availible in the ToD";)
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"Don't do that" IS a positive response ;)
Look like we have very similar systems:
Epox INTEL865 EP-4PDA2+
800 FBS Hypertheading
INTEL P4/3.0GHz CPU
2 x 512MB PC 3200 Ram
Western Digital SATA 80gig hard drive
7200RPM 8MB buffer
Chaintech FX5900XT Nvidia card 128meg
DirectX 9.0B
Now a couple of questions. Is your MB 800 FBS dual channel hyperthreading ?? if so is it enabled ?? And second, what resolution are you running at ??
I'm running at 1024x768 full sliders with ground detail backed off to 2 3/4 miles instead of the max of three. With those settings I get 68fps in the tower and 85 flying ( vsync on - more about that later ) I get 85fps ( my sync rate ) unless there is ALOT going on and it drops to the fifties.
Vsync on is important for another problem that comes with having it off. Rubber bullets. If your not sync'd that hit sprite might be a "tweener" and gets lost. If you lose it, your cons FE isn't notified.
The other thing to keep in mind is that the visual impact of frame rates doesn't become evident to the eye until it's around the mid twenty range. If your running in the high thirties in a crowd you won't see it.
If you ARE running at a very high resolution, drop it down and play with it. I don't really see much difference with higher rez anyway, but that's just me.
Beta is beta and I've seen framerates steadlly improve. Partical effects will no doubt be added once it's rolling. Another thing to keep in mind is that if a current setup maxed in resolution and detail screams, the game is behind from the release.
But if your running at 1024 you have a problem, and it ain't the game.
Oh, and run endit all before ya log on.
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what is endit? and that Gunsight ya posted...Thanks..I been looking for that as well.
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Red to a search for "end it all". It's a program that shows all of the programs running on you box. You have the option of closing all that aren't necessary for you to play the game.
All my programs, scanning, printer, Nikon upload, adobe gamma, blah blah are terminated with the program. If you make a mistake and close something that "needs" to be running ?? A reboot puts it back in. You pick and choose through experimentation what HAS to be running and nothing more. That way your lean and mean.
If you can't find a free shareware, email me and I'll send you the freeware setup.
( they realized there was a buck to be made :D )
nopoops190@sbcglobal.net
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nopoop: Thank you very much. The information you supplied was most helpful and I will look at some of the things you mentioned.
As a note, I do have End It All and use it, but have not during my testing. I will have a look with it too.
Yes, I have the 800 MHz FSB and hyperthreading. I believe it is on enabled (I will double check that tomorrow).
I have a 19" monitor so I normally run my desktop and games at 1280 x 1024 if possible. I tried AH2 at a lower res (although not extensively), but it didn't seem to change things. Will revisit.
HiTech: Please forgive my sarcastic response. I still feel like you sort popped my hand, but after thinking it through I believe you were only trying to help. Perhaps I was not clear that I am really looking for ideas to get the best performance I can. Anyway, didn't mean to dump on ya.
BenDover: Yeah, that's incentive.
Just a note: I did some tweakin to my bios, installed the 56.72 drivers from nVidia, and installed the AH2 beta 33. We'll see how it does, but it 'seemed' a bit more stable on the FPS. Will test more tomorrow.
Anyway, cheers!
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Search for Enditall2, just like I just typed it.
Do not go to the PCmag site, others will have it for free.
Enditall2 works on XP, and is a nice little progy.
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Check your AF & AA settings, AF does no good in ah or ah2 but cuts fps considerably, AA will improve image quality but also cut fps. My ti4200 gets 75fps at 1600 X 1200 reducing resilution has no noticeable effect.
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Just did HitTech's suggested test with v-sync, and found a 25% drop in framerates when it's enabled. (1024x768)
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Check your refresh rates
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Originally posted by zmeg
Check your AF & AA settings
What or those zmeg ? Or should I say what do the initials stand for ??
Annntriotropiccc filtering ??? or something spelled as bad ??
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Only 1024x768, nopoop? You would scream at 1600x1200 with that setup. You should think about checking out higher resolutions unless you're using a really small monitor.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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V-sync has to be enabled for a reason. That reason being people have reported rubber bullets, graphical strangeness, visual tearing, and a few other "interesting" glitches. Search the Hardware board for more info. If you want a better framerate either upgrade your rig or move the sliders down a touch. Messing with V-sync is a bad way to get a better FR.
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Originally posted by flakbait
V-sync has to be enabled for a reason. That reason being people have reported rubber bullets, graphical strangeness, visual tearing, and a few other "interesting" glitches. Search the Hardware board for more info. If you want a better framerate either upgrade your rig or move the sliders down a touch. Messing with V-sync is a bad way to get a better FR.
OK, another kneejerk reaction:
Is the horse not dead enough for you? Do we need to beat on it a bit more?
By the way, just like vsync in enabled for a reason, you have the ability to disable it for a reason.
Anyway, tally-ho!
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It cracks me up to see people sweating over whether their FPS is 65 or 85 or 105!
Can you really tell any difference either visually or in game performance?
Personally I have my old rig set to 45 FPS max. It looks great at 45 FPS. Over 45 FPS I can't see any difference at all. When I get low near a field it drops to the 30's and still looks great.
If I set my top two sliders all the way left, my fps drops into the teens and the graphics go to hell too. But moving them over to where the are just under the L in Detail gives me great looking graphics and the 45 FPS.
When I started in AW4Win, then AW3D, we were exstatic to hit 25 FPS! Everyone raved how the original Voodoo add on 3d card could boost AW3D from 12 FPS to 20. We were in Hog Heaven!
I really don't see the point in pulling your hair out over your rig "only" hitting 85 FPS, when your monitor is refreshing at 75! From what I've read the human eye can't perceive a difference over 60 anyway. My old eyes can't perceive a difference over 35.
Powerleap Celeron add on upgrade CPU 1.4 on a P-3 600 mobo (440BX)
Asylum Gforce FX-5200 Ultra 128
Win 98
CH analog J,P,T
SB Live Value
384 RAM
Thanks for the tip on AF not having any affect on AHI or II, I'll see if it makes any difference. Maybe I will be able to kick my sliders a tiny bit further left.
A quick question for the experts, does limiting my FPS to 45 mean my CPU and Video card will run cooler because they aren't straining to hit max FPS constantly, or do they strain anyway and I'm just limiting the display to 45? Unless someone can convince me there is a good reason to go faster than 45 FPS such as my bullets are flying past Levi's Spit V and not hitting on the in between frames, I'll leave it there. (Hmm, maybe that's the reason I've never shot down DMF/Leviathn!)
I'm very happy with AHII FPS now. Let's launch this puppy!
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Originally posted by MOSQ
It cracks me up to see people sweating over whether their FPS is 65 or 85 or 105!
OK, ok, ok...for those that have problems with critical thinking and reading comprehension, let me restate the issue:
I am not concerned with my framrate being higher than 75. It is was a steady 30, that would be fine with me. What I am concerned with is the DROP to below 20 I was/am/might experience based on the testing I did. FPS of 75, 85, 105, 305, are sweet, but I agree, no really needed. I am only concerning with a sagging frame rate when it comes to setting full details (aside from ground level detail) on a system that should be able to handle it.
Upgrade my system? Yeah, right...when I see fairly consistent issues on all graphically intensive games/applications I use, I will upgrade. When only one piece of software demonstrates a problem, I start looking for ways to tweak out things for that piece of software.
Something screwy on my system? Maybe, but no one has suggested a way to determine that and assertion are like opinion...and opinions are like, well...you figure it out.
So far, nopoop has been the most helpful. So, if you are interesting in helping, great. Because it is not just me having problem, there are others. And I believe HTC is working on it. Just looking for ways to get from where I am to were I want to be...and help others on the way. Is that to hard to comprehend? If you aren't looking to be helpful, go post in the O Club.
Anyway, off my rant now. Please, just leave this thread for people that would like to provide suggestions or ask questions/post issues. That is what I intended it for.
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Originally posted by Blammo
OK, ok, ok...for those that have problems with critical thinking and reading comprehension, let me restate the issue:
Blammo,
You may have misunderstood my comment. It wasn't directed at you, but the gamer community in general. I apologize if you took it as an attack on you.
I agree that with the system you have, 20 FPS at full detail seems low and hope you can tweak it up.
I can't help but laugh at folks who aren't satisfied with 50 FPS and go out and spend $1200 on a new CPU/mobo and Vid card to get their FPS up to 80. Then they complain about the $14.95 a month.
If they didn't know they were at 50 FPS and others were getting 80 FPS, they would never buy the hot stuff. It's amazing how the industry marketing folks can create a demand for new gear by pointing out your old gear only gets 50 FPS, you better buy new stuff to get 80 FPS!
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From what I've read the human eye can't perceive a difference over 60 anyway
BS TBH
I get head aches after a few hours at 60hz, at 70 I can pretty much double that, at 75 I get almost zero signs of head aches or eye fatigue, above that I don't get any head aches.
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BenDover,
I was talking about FPS, not the refresh rate of your monitor. I can't stand to have my refresh rate less than 75 either. Major eye fatigue and headaches, plus I hate the flickering.
However that has no correlation to your FPS. Over 60 FPS and you can't tell any difference.
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Oh, thought you ment 60hz not 60fps
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Originally posted by nopoop
Red to a search for "end it all". It's a program that shows all of the programs running on you box. You have the option of closing all that aren't necessary for you to play the game.
All my programs, scanning, printer, Nikon upload, adobe gamma, blah blah are terminated with the program. If you make a mistake and close something that "needs" to be running ?? A reboot puts it back in. You pick and choose through experimentation what HAS to be running and nothing more. That way your lean and mean.
If you can't find a free shareware, email me and I'll send you the freeware setup.
( they realized there was a buck to be made :D )
nopoops190@sbcglobal.net
Thanks Bud...I'll do it when I get home from work. Appreciate the help.:D :aok
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I keep seeing everyone's posts and I just have a question....how come I cant get FR's above 20's when I move the sliders for more detail...hell I am concerned about seeing ack and strats at a base and am having a helluva time doing so....
Please take a look at my stats in the Sig block...Any suggestions?
PS anyone have any suggestions for a $1200 rig that will make my puter that much better? Willing to rip the ATI9800xt and put it in that machine if it drops the price by 4-500 bucks!
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See what improvement you get dropping to 1024x768. No nothing about ATI cards.
I'm running a 200 dollar nvidia card in my box and run a minimum of 50fps with everything maxed. But I run at 1024.
And have dual channel 800 FBS Hyperthreading
See what you get at 1024. Dropping a 3.0 chip in your rig is a couple of hundred bucks, and one more stick of ram maybe ??
or..
Epox INTEL865 EP-4PDA2+ $104
800 FBS Hypertheading
INTEL P4/3.0GHz CPU
boxed w/fan $228
2 x 512MB PC 3200 Ram $218
Antec Truepower 430watt power supply $67
Antec Plusview 1000AMG case $69
Total of $668 reusing floppys, CD's sound card etc.
The definate plus in the second option is that it won't say DELL :D
It will say guttboy ;)
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Originally posted by Blammo
OK, ok, ok...for those that have problems with critical thinking and reading comprehension, let me restate the issue:
Anyway, off my rant now. Please, just leave this thread for people that would like to provide suggestions or ask questions/post issues. That is what I intended it for.
Actually...I had several suggestions. But you've come across pretty much as a jerk, so the heck w/ you. Your the type that people try to help, and you respond w/ insults.
HINT use the AH BBS SEARCH button. Nothing your asking about hasn't already been explained in great detail. I guess your just not smart enough (or to lazy) to search through the threads (or the internet) for your answers, and act like a real bellybutton to those taking time to help you out. (Way to insult HT. WOW! That in and of itself was just pure Rocket Scientist. Genius. It's not like he CREATED This game or anything, and MIGHT know what he's talking about.)
-Lute III/JG26 9th ST WidowMakers
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Thanks NO POOP....
Tried running down in the 1024x768 range and just does not look as nice as up in the 1280 or 1600 range:D .
Yeah....I have been thinking about making a new computer from scratch.....I would like it to say GUTTBOY instead of DELL...dont get me wrong...I like Dell...they have been really good to me but now that I know I can build my own computer...hell my buddies did theirs, I would like to do that myself!
Ill ask for suggestions later on this year for stuff cuz seems like alot of NEW stuff is coming out...motherboard changes, case changes, 64 bit (YUMMY)....etc....
Thanks for the help...
BTW I did run ENDITALL2 and it does work on XP Professional.....gained 6 fps by using it!!!!
Take care all!!!
TG12:aok
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..reading this has been like rolling in fiberglass pink.
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I have suggested this before and will suggest it again.
Go to http://www.omegacorner.com and check out his drivers. He supplys drivers for both nVidia and ATI.
I have been using his drivers since I got my card and have NEVER had a problem with them, but rather some of the best video rendering I have ever seen. These drivers have helped greatly increase the level of detail that I see without loss to FPS. As a matter of fact the framerates are higher using these drivers.
I have an el-cheapo ATI 9500 Sapphier ($140 at the time I bought it). With the omega drivers, I am able to soft-mod this card to a 9700 and I don't believe that ATI's newest card could do a better job of redering than what I have now.
I have a 100Mhz monitor with VSYNC "always on" AA at 8X and AF at 16X, and I get solid 100-->50 FPS, and the detail is incredible. No more jaggy edges on planes ... I can easily tell when they dump flaps thats how good the detail is.
The omega drivers also supply a neat little tool called "Driver Cleaner - Omega Edition" or you can get it here ...
http://www.driverheaven.net/cleaner/
This tool is recommeded to be used when switching for the first time, from ATI drivers to the Omega Drivers but can also be used when updating from one ATI version to the next.
Blammo, from looking at your specs, you should definately be getting much better FPS than your getting. Driver Cleaner may help you. Part of the problem is that when updating video drivers, it seems that old driver files are left behind and can cause problems with the newer drivers ... kinda like short-circuting them.
The guy that writes these drivers is part of the ATI Beta Team, so he knows what he is doing and is privy to stuff that we don't know about.
For more on the omega drivers, go to DriverHeaven ...
http://www.driverheaven.net/forum.php?
and check it out.
For those of you that have the right kind of ATI card and are not faint-of-heart you could also do this ...
"Temporal anti-aliasing on R3x0 investigated"
This tweak can be found at ...
http://www.elitebastards.com/page.php?pageid=4533&head=1&comments=1
I have applied (or turned on) this tweak and its amazing.
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Originally posted by flyingaround
Actually...I had several suggestions. But you've come across pretty much as a jerk, so the heck w/ you. Your the type that people try to help, and you respond w/ insults.
HINT use the AH BBS SEARCH button. Nothing your asking about hasn't already been explained in great detail. I guess your just not smart enough (or to lazy) to search through the threads (or the internet) for your answers, and act like a real bellybutton to those taking time to help you out. (Way to insult HT. WOW! That in and of itself was just pure Rocket Scientist. Genius. It's not like he CREATED This game or anything, and MIGHT know what he's talking about.)
Ummm...please read the above thread thoroughly. I apologized to HT for my reaction to his curt reply. I have also been very thankful to the people that have actually put in helpful comments. If I failed to thank anyone, well: THANK YOU!!!!
One other thing: this thread was not simply to help me, but I was looking for suggestions that would help everyone. So, when you say the heck with me, you are saying to heck with everyone that might benefit from the your experience and knowledge. Sorry you feel that way.
Now, if we can just let this thread get on to what I originally intended, that would be grand.
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Slapshot,
Any thoughts as to why I am running in the lower frame rates when I hit a base area (jabo style)? No matter how I tweak the card, AA/AF, It still performs the SAME. Could it be my system?
Thanks
:)
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guttboy ...
If it were me I would ..
Go get the omega drivers.
Uninstall the ATI Control Panel (from add/remove programs). This is required before installing omega drivers. Omega supplys his own Control Panel.
Uninstall the ATI drivers.
Run Driver Cleaner.
Install the omega drivers (currently at Cat 4.5 release).
If that doesn't help or you don't like the omega drivers, you can always uninstall them and load the ATI Cat 4.5 drivers back.
As far as I am concerned, you have nothing to lose.
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ALL RIGHTY THEN....will give that a shot.....
Thanks.
wish me lucK!!!!!!
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Ok Slapshot....
NOW...I cleaned it out but cannot find the place to adjust the AA and AF?...the catalyst stuff where I manipulate the settings is GONE....where did it go? How do I adjust my settings now....
AHHHHHHHH
:confused:
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Yes but after you cleaned out, did you install the Omega drivers ?
If you did your should have off the Start button ...
Radeon Omega Drivers v2.5.44
Inside that Program Folder you should see ...
Catalyst Control Panel
(http://pages.cthome.net/crzn22/Misc/ati.JPG)
Click on it and you should see ...
(http://pages.cthome.net/crzn22/Misc/ati2.JPG)
or ...
Right click on the desktop and choose "Properties"
Then click on the "Settings" Tab
Then click on the "Advanced" button.
Then click on the "Direct3D Tab"
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Hey SlapShot: Thanks for all the info you have been supplying. It has been really helpful. I wonder if I can get your opinion on something:
I am currently using the nVidia FX 5900 Ultra with 256 MB DDR RAM. I have an ATI 9800 Pro with 128 MB DDR RAM sitting around here. Which do you (or anyone) think is a better performance card? I have been thinking of switching them out, but if they are roughly equal, then no point.
Anyway, you may not know and may not have an opinion, but I thought I would ask.
I have downloaded driver cleaner and I am going to use it tomorrow and see what happens.
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Blammo,
Form what I have read, it's a toss-up between the 2. I would just leave the nVidia card in.
Omega does supply drivers for nVidia also.
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Slap.....
Tried running the Omega drivers again and still no performance improvement whatsoever. It appears that my bottleneck is in the CPU/MOBO......I Think its time to spend some bucks and get a newer MOBO/CPU combo and use this machine as my "fancy internet surfer"...LOL.....
Thanks for the help...
Regards:)
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Originally posted by guttboy
Slap.....
Tried running the Omega drivers again and still no performance improvement whatsoever. It appears that my bottleneck is in the CPU/MOBO......I Think its time to spend some bucks and get a newer MOBO/CPU combo and use this machine as my "fancy internet surfer"...LOL.....
Thanks for the help...
Regards:)
Bummer !!! ... well we gave it a shot. At least you have become more familiar with video drivers thru the ordeal, if thats a consolation.
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lol no worries buddy...gotta try it all!
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Running AH2 Beta34....Screen Res 1280x1024...Frame Rates 20's to 60's depending on environ....Full AA and AF on card. Sliders set primarily for performance in the game.
Before splurging on new system just want to check that you've tried reducing AA and AF sliders - what does setting them at 2x do for your framerates?
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Darkish...already tried switching all the sliders etc....still when I get over the center of a base frame rates drop to low 20's high teens no matter what i do.....
its the MOBO most likely
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Blammo - Have you upped your monitor refresh rate? Changed mine from 70 to 100HZ and it helped my frame rate quite a bit. I guess the simple reason for this is it gives your monitor and graphics card more times per second to match(sync) and display data.
Also tried 600X800 resolution...frame rates shot up to 80 to 122...but looked like crap on 21 inch monitor.
New Nvidea driver 1 april 2004 - think you said yiou had that but not sure.
Hope this helps, sorry if already covered - but it helped me,
Sytstem specs,
Athlon 64 2 Ghz
NVidea 5950 ultra
1 gig pc 3200 ram
Windows XP home edition
DSL connection
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I still think that driver was an april fools joke...
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At 2Ghz you're CPU limited in AH2.
I saw framerate double moving up from 1900 to 3000.
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
At 2Ghz you're CPU limited in AH2.
I saw framerate double moving up from 1900 to 3000.
LOL BS
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Ok sometimes i wonder how stoopid people can be.
Shall we try and interpret the claim of,
I saw framerate double moving up from 1900 to 3000
As meaning he moved from a 1900 mhz cpu to a 3000 mhz cpu.
Txmx i figure you are too ready to jump on people and call BS all the time, when working on your comprehension would be of greater value.