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It took five separate screenings to accommodate the press demand to see Michael Moore's heavily anticipated anti-Bush documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 at the Cannes Film Festival yesterday, and when it came to turning up the political heat here, neither the movie nor its maker failed to disappoint.
The audience at a afternoon gala screening responded with a 20-minute standing ovation. Festival artistic director Thierry Fremaux told the New York Times it was the longest he had ever witnessed in Cannes.
A scorching indictment of the current U.S. administration's military engagement in Iraq that colours the entire enterprise as being rooted in the Bush family's business relations with Saudi oil money and members of Osama Bin Laden's family ? and featuring some harrowing footage shot by freelance camera crews of prisoner abuse, bombed Iraqi civilians and dead-of-night military raids on Iraqi homes ? Fahrenheit 9/11 is a considerably more sober, impassioned and focused film than Moore's previous record-breaking box office documentary success Bowling For Columbine. It also features, for better or worse, considerably less Michael Moore on screen.
Following a narrative line that traces President George W. Bush's military record, business ventures, political history and pre- and post-9/11 presidency, the film meticulously lays out a deeply sinister and cynical conspiracy that ends up with powerfully graphic ? and many previously unseen ? images of dead and mutilated bodies on both sides of the current conflict.
The implication is as clear as it is unsubtle: Moore is laying the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and coalition forces right on the front steps of the White House, and purely for the purposes of economic gain.
While inescapably a partisan and flatly polemical work, Fahrenheit 9/11 makes its case meticulously and convincingly, and uses all of the pop cultural rhetorical methods that have made the director not only the most popular documentary maker of his generation, but one of the most prominent American figures lashing out against the Bush administration: He knows how to talk in the language of TV.
At one point in the film Bush is seen in the primary school classroom where he first learned of the planes being flown into the World Trade Center towers, and Moore slows the footage down so that Bush is seen to be blinking uncomprehendingly and endlessly, a child's storybook open ridiculously before him, as a counter in the corner of the screen counts out the nine minutes before the President seemed to react.
"What was he thinking?" Moore's voiceover asks. Later, he surmises what the President might have been thinking over an image of Saddam Hussein: "I think I'd better blame this guy."
Elsewhere, the plane carrying certain Bush-connected members of the Bin Laden family out of the United States on the morning of the attacks takes to the air with the Animals' "We Gotta Get Out of This Place" roars on the soundtrack.
In possibly the most emotionally powerful moment of the film, a mother who lost her son in the war goes to the White House and to be confronted by another woman who insists that all the anti-war activity going on there is just "staged."
"My son is dead," she says, tears and fury rising in her eyes. "That wasn't staged."
Certain to be divisive and controversial, and already the subject of considerable discussion concerning its troubled distribution history first with Mel Gibson's Icon Pictures (which Moore alleges dropped the film because of high-level and possibly even administration interference) and more recently the Walt Disney Company, Fahrenheit 9/11 seems expressly designed to mobilize viewers to get out and vote against George W. Bush this November.
First it needs to find distributor, however. Currently without one, Moore is nevertheless completely confident that someone will pick up the film and get it out a widely and immediately as he'd like.
He's undoubtedly right ? if as much for economic as political reasons. If Columbine was any indication, this movie could make a pile.
Yet, while Moore's insistence that "this film will open in the United States before the election" and in "shopping malls and multiplexes" instead of art houses ? he has also said he'd like to see it available on DVD by October ? he played curiously coy in the post-screening press conference when asked directly if he hoped the movie might serve to hinder President Bush's chances of re-election in November. "I just make movies I'd like to see on a Friday night," he shrugged.
It was perhaps the only question that suggested such a neutrally entertaining agenda. On every other matter, from Bush's relationship with Tony Blair ("What's Blair doing with this guy?" he asked of British journalists), to what he'd like viewers to get from the film ("I want them to be in shock and in awe") to the current climate of mainstream media silence on Iraq ("Americans do not like things being kept from them"), Moore seemed to stress both the urgency and immediacy of the movie's mission. But he wouldn't agree that the movie has been designed to vote Bush out.
Describing a relationship with the Miramax production company that allowed him to add any additional material he needed between now the release to keep the film up to date, he said he remained undecided as to whether he'd change the film to accommodate either current or future developments from Washington or Iraq. "I might, but this is a complete work."
On the issue of his own relative absence in the film ? in which he appears on screen perhaps one-fifth of the time he was on in Bowling For Columbine ? save for voiceover and general editorial point of view, Moore said, "This time I was the straight man. Bush wrote all the best lines."
"The subject just didn't need the help," he added. "Besides, a little of me tends to go along way. And sometimes less is better."
When no one stood to take issue with Moore on this point, he was asked if he planned on screening Fahrenheit 9/11 at the White House.
It was his turn to laugh. "I would love to have a White House screening," he deadpanned.
"I would attend it. And I would behave."
Seems unlikely. God knows, if there's any place where a little Michael Moore will go a long way, especially after this movie opens this summer across America, it will be in the White House.
source (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1084831812019&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154)
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hmm, but what's up with your email?
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One thing I have to wonder about with this movie. Who was asleap at the wheel? Was it President Busch? or was it the people in charge of giving him information?
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Moore is a shamless self promoter a hypocrite and a liar.... Just one example below...
Then there are what we might call artistic lies. Bowling for Columbine opens in a branch of the North Country Bank, with Moore supposedly receiving a free gun in exchange for opening an account. At the end of the scene, he asks a bank employee, “Do you think it’s a little dangerous handing out guns in a bank?” before he runs out with the gun in his hand to the beat of a punk rock tune. It is a dazzling opening, full of energy and Dr. Strangelove absurdity. The only problem: it was staged. Commentators have been on Moore’s case about this, some even campaigning to revoke his Oscar, awarded for a genre supposed to be nonfiction. Anthony Zoubeck, a self-described “former Moore fan” who writes for the Illinois State University paper, the Daily Vidette, contacted Helen Steinman, the customer-service representative seen greeting Moore in the bank. “You can’t just come in here and get a gun,” Steinman explained. Moore “was only supposed to be coming in and pretending to open up a CD. What the girl who opened up the account really told him was that there would be a background check and that he wouldn’t get the gun for six weeks.”
There are slanted, insinuating lies. In another example from Bowling, Moore places a Lockheed Martin executive from Littleton, Colorado, right in front of a mammoth, menacing-looking rocket and asks: “So you don’t think our kids say to themselves, ‘Gee, you know, Dad goes off to the factory every day and, you know, he builds missiles. These are weapons of mass destruction.’ ” He also observes darkly that the company moves its products through the community late at night, when “the children of Columbine are asleep.” But Lockheed Martin does not make weapons in Littleton; it makes weather and communications satellites there. The missile in the film is a refurbished Titan 2 rocket used to launch one such satellite. Moreover, as Zoubeck learned from a Lockheed spokesman, the company moves the rockets at night because they are so large they need a convoy—not, as Moore insinuates, because anyone is trying to hide the awful truth about weather satellites.
And there are the lies of exaggeration—details that after marinating in Moore’s brain swell into squishy conspiracy tales, like one of those dried sponges that swell prodigiously in water. Take what happened during a March 2002 book-tour appearance for Stupid White Men, his 2001 screed against the Bush administration, corrupt corporate power, and (as one chapter title puts it) this “idiot nation.” At 11 PM, Moore was still signing books for a line of fans at a San Diego school, when event organizers announced that the janitors wanted to close up and go home, since the use permit was up. Moore paid little attention and went on signing books, until someone—apparently the janitors—called the police about half an hour later. At this point, according to Kynn Bartlett, a disappointed fan who wrote about the event on his website, two cops walked in with flashlights—Bartlett points out that it was dark in the parking lot outside—and calmly announced: “May I have your attention. The use permit for this event expired at eleven. You have to leave now.” After some grumbling, everyone did.
End of story—until Moore breathlessly posted his version on his website the next day. POLICE RAID, SHUT DOWN MY BOOK SIGNING IN SAN DIEGO. “I am told that we are getting close to the time when we will have to leave the school,” Moore’s fiction begins. “That is not good. Hundreds are still in line.” (Bartlett estimates there were 75.) Moore continues: “The San Diego police [all two of them, Bartlett says] are coming down the aisle, their large flashlights out (the auditorium lights are still on, so we all understand the implied ‘other’ use of the instruments).” People are “visibly frightened,” “bolt[ing]” toward the doors. “I remark that it feels like we’re in some sort of banana republic or East Berlin, secretly meeting so we can have our little book gathering. Sign quick, Mike, here come the police.” There’s not a word about janitors forced to work overtime to please celebrity authors.
(Source http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_3_michael_moore.html )
I wonder what interesting little twists and lies he has flooded Farenheit 9/11 with
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Hey it sounds like it will be full of action footage from the war like you guys love!!
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Mr. Lumenick didnt think too highly of Moore new flick. He gave the last one four stars.
NEW '9/11' FLICK HAS FAR 'MOORE' FIZZLE THAN SIZZLE
By LOU LUMENICK
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Post film critic Lou Lumenick says filmmaker Michael Moore falls short of the earth-shattering revelations he promised in his documentary.
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May 18, 2004 -- CANNES, France - President Bush need not lose any sleep over Michael Moore's much-hyped "Fahrenheit 9/11," which turns out to be a wet firecracker.
Moore's virulent feature-length attack on Bush, which premiered yesterday to a 20-minute standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival, falls far short of delivering on the filmmaker's extravagant promises of election-swinging revelations.
"You will see things you haven't seen before and learn things you have not learned before," he vowed on Sunday.
Well, maybe if you spent the last three years hiding in a cave in Afghanistan.
Sure, there's some media-grabbing footage - apparently shot by one of the camera crews Moore claims to have smuggled in with embedded troops - of American soldiers laughing as they place hoods over Iraqi prisoners, and one GI touching a detainee's genitals through a blanket.
But that footage actually conflicts with one of Moore's main arguments - that GIs have been victimized by being forced to participate in what he considers to be the unnecessary and immoral invasion of Iraq.
Moore's big stop-the-presses revelation is that the name of an old pal of the president who works for the bin Laden family was excised from 1972 National Guard records released by the White House in 2002. Yawn.
Mostly Moore dusts off a litany of old accusations against the president - whom he portrays as both a buffoon and a world-class conspirator - and lands few solid blows as he takes on targets like the Patriot Act and supposed war profiteering by the politically connected Halliburton Corp.
The sheer scope of the material he's trying to cover in a two-hour documentary - the Sept. 11 attacks rate maybe five minutes - leads to incredibly superficial and misleading treatment at times.
As a critic who awarded Moore's Oscar-winning "Bowling for Columbine" four stars, I was particularly disappointed with "Fahrenheit 9/11."
In "Columbine," Moore had something new to say about the gun-control debate and did so in a refreshingly entertaining manner.
"9/11" does not lend itself to such a glib approach, and while Moore may get laughs by presenting Bush and his staff in a brief "Bonanza" spoof titled "Afghanistan," the humor often seems much more forced here.
By far the best sequence features Lila Lipscomb, a woman from Moore's hometown of Flint, Mich., who lost her Marine son in Vietnam.
But when she tries to go to the White House to express her antiwar feelings, Moore ends up delivering a pallid echo of the high point of "Columbine," where victims of that high school massacre descend on Kmart headquarters to demand that the chain stop selling ammunition.
Far from the political hot potato Moore has been tub-thumping to secure a rich U.S. distribution deal and the July opening he lusts after - after Miramax was forced to sell it at the insistence of its corporate parent, Disney - "Fahrenheit 9/11" is more like a lot of hot air.
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Moore, really went out on a limb releasing an anti-American move to and anti-American crowd in an anti-American country.
OO so edgy, He’s so cool.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by JBA
Moore, really went out on a limb releasing an anti-American move to and anti-American crowd in an anti-American country.
OO so edgy, He’s so cool.:rolleyes:
Where else do you debut to films for the summer? Huntsville, Alabama?
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Well, in a movie theater of course.
Cannes is kinda like the special olympics, Stabby. In reality its filled with bad films made my semi-retarded directors that couldnt go anywhere in the US, only everyone pretends its important and 'artsy' so they feel as though they have a purpose.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Well, in a movie theater of course.
Cannes is kinda like the special olympics, Stabby. In reality its filled with bad films made my semi-retarded directors that couldnt go anywhere in the US, only everyone pretends its important and 'artsy' so they feel as though they have a purpose.
Every big movie for the summer is released in Canne. Not just art films. They go there because they know every reviewer in the world will be there.
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Of course, of course... but Im sure we'll both agree the ratio fo 'real' movies to 'Moore' movies is rather... slanted. :aok
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Every big movie for the summer is released in Canne. Not just art films. They go there because they know every reviewer in the world will be there.
not in the states, good movies are release in the thearters,
Titanc, passion, Lord of the rings, Perfect storm, never released at Cannes.
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Like I said Moore is a shameless self promoter
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Originally posted by JBA
not in the states, good movies are release in the thearters,
Titanc, passion, Lord of the rings, Perfect storm, never released at Cannes.
We're suppose to speak of film not of the result of marketing computation.
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Originally posted by JBA
not in the states, good movies are release in the thearters,
Titanc, passion, Lord of the rings, Perfect storm, never released at Cannes.
the summer is released in Canne
Check the release dates for those films.
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be very careful of any video documentary work that Moore creates. The likelihood that you will be tooled is very high.
His work is propaganda at its pinnacle finest.
Just make sure your head is screwed on tight and your BS filters are on high power settings.
Also, that 20 minute grand ovation took place in France so keep that little tidbit of CNN entertainment blurb in perspective.
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In all honesty I liked "bowling for columbine" It was a well put together documentary even if it was slanted as anti gun. He gets by that slant by toting around his liftime NRA membership card.
I saw another one he did about downsizing that I cant remember the name of. I thought it was good but didnt deliver at all. The funniest part was when he had is book tour director arrested for harrasment (prank)
As far as fahrenheit 9/11 If this is mostly about bush why is 9/11 even in the title? That's my biggest question. I will see the movie however but refuse to read his books. (i have too much reading in my book que.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
In all honesty I liked "bowling for columbine" It was a well put together documentary even if it was slanted as anti gun. He gets by that slant by toting around his liftime NRA membership card.
I saw another one he did about downsizing that I cant remember the name of. I thought it was good but didnt deliver at all. The funniest part was when he had is book tour director arrested for harrasment (prank)
As far as fahrenheit 9/11 If this is mostly about bush why is 9/11 even in the title? That's my biggest question. I will see the movie however but refuse to read his books. (i have too much reading in my book que.
Columbine did have some exaggerated parts to it, but it also had alot of very real facts. I am glad he is going to be on screen far less in this film though. I still think his first film is his best film to date.
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I just saw "bowling for columbine" for the first time a couple weeks ago and while exagerated in parts thought it was very good. Interesting the difference in gun crime figures between US and Canada. Of course the pro gun guys would never accepet the less guns equals less gun related shootings and deaths.
Interesting argument.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
I just saw "bowling for columbine" for the first time a couple weeks ago and while exagerated in parts thought it was very good. Interesting the difference in gun crime figures between US and Canada. Of course the pro gun guys would never accepet the less guns equals less gun related shootings and deaths.
Interesting argument.
...-Gixer
I really think neither of them have an affect as greatly as either side believes. Canada has a very large percentage of gun ownership, and very low crime. Other countrys that have no guns have also low crime. The state of a country's economy has more to do with low crime, as well as its culture then anything else.
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IIRC, in BFC he pointed out Canada has about the same number of guns as the US.
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Yeah, all critics that set any biases aside said it wasn't that good of a film.
But moore will say anything just to sell a book and movie. He doesn't actually mean it, nor is all of it factual.
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I have never seen any of his films but I will see this one no doubt..
Yeager: You do understand that propaganda comes from everywhere!! Its better to hear it all from both sides and form your own oppinion rather than depend on daily whitehouse briefings.. We all know how factual and straight to the point they are.. haha
Whats the crime rate in Japan??
dude
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What's been the violent crime rate in Japan for the last 1000 years?
That's one place where I think societal mores control crime far more than their economy or gun ownership.
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Originally posted by Toad
What's been the violent crime rate in Japan for the last 1000 years?
That's one place where I think societal mores control crime far more than their economy or gun ownership.
Guess that was kinda what I was thinking.. Was in agreement w/ Stabby bout the countries culture and economy have more to do w/ crime rates than guns..
dude
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Now ask yourself how the societal mores got that way. ;)
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I know all about it dude. I just have an aversion to Moores personality. Plus, I figure my 24x7x365 to the information era pretty much exposes me to damned near everything. I can afford to be discerning where the likes of Moore are concerned.
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Originally posted by Toad
Now ask yourself how the societal mores got that way. ;)
The japanese have an extreme amount of self control. Before 1945 they have a history of very brutal and violent crime.
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Originally posted by Toad
Now ask yourself how the societal mores got that way. ;)
I dont understand the question... Excuse my ignorance 8)
dude
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Originally posted by Yeager
I know all about it dude. I just have an aversion to Moores personality. Plus, I figure my 24x7x365 to the information era pretty much exposes me to damned near everything. I can afford to be discerning where the likes of Moore are concerned.
Good enough.. 8)
dude
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Here you go:
Japanese Proverb:
The nail that sticks up will be hammered down.
Hammer for those that would be violent in a rigidly controlled society:
(http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~nameless/armory/samurai_sword.jpg)
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Originally posted by Toad
Here you go:
Japanese Proverb:
Hammer for those that would be violent in a rigidly controlled society:
(http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~nameless/armory/samurai_sword.jpg)
And that is why their history is filled with very bloody revolutions, and roaming groups of bandits.
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It may also be why Joe Average is a very quiescent and docile person that is very careful not to offend in any way.
Just a thought.
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Originally posted by Toad
It may also be why Joe Average is a very quiescent and docile person that is very careful not to offend in any way.
Just a thought.
Yea, pretty much the last 50 years have been like this.
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Before that. They had a historically low rate of violent crime far longer than that.
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Originally posted by Toad
Before that. They had a historically low rate of violent crime far longer than that.
No they didnt.
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I like Moore's work, but I take it for what it is...Infotainment. Roger and Me was definitely his best effort because his heart was in it. GM was causing his hometown to wither and die while making outrageous profit from it. Everything since has been something to keep working... and there's nothing wrong with that. If he has put the same effort into 9/11 that he did R&M this may be a very good film. Reserving any opinion until I see it myself.
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moores counter ego on the right wore a swastika on his upper arm - those that applaud him are equally as moore-onic
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Ok, educate me. What do you base this upon?
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Originally posted by Toad
What's been the violent crime rate in Japan for the last 1000 years?
Nothig compared to the violent crime rate on this continent for the past 400 years...not even close.
America in a landslide...
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Originally posted by Toad
It may also be why Joe Average is a very quiescent and docile person that is very careful not to offend in any way.
Just a thought.
And you consider this a good thing?
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Originally posted by Toad
Here you go:
Japanese Proverb:
Hammer for those that would be violent in a rigidly controlled society:
(http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~nameless/armory/samurai_sword.jpg)
Sounds almost like, "those that oppose the president may be considered as terrorist sympathizers..."
Sit down, and STFU...everyone...
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It's not a discussion about the crime rates in Japan vs America. It's in the vein of "why the difference?"
A good thing MT? I dunno. It just IS, isn't it? I guess it's good if it's the prime cause of their present low crime rate.. or is it?
All I can tell you is this:
When I was a kid, pheasant hunting wasn' the sport of the masses that it is now. As a result, those of us that did, didn't really need a dog. You could walk up on them and they'd "hold" until you got real close and then fly. Obviously, many of them died.
Now pheasants basically have a new "generation" every year. For the last 30 odd years in my personal experience, those that "hold" don't live to reproduce the next Spring.
Anymore, you can't hunt them without a dog. Only a very few will "hold" until you are close, even on opening day. This is a generally observed, widespread phenomenom in the heavily hunted areas.
However, if you go to the "great beyond" that's traditionally been lightly hunted over the last 30 years, you can still find pockets of what have become known as "dumb ones" that will hold.
The hypothesis is that we have enforced a little Darwinism on them. If you fly, you die and don't reproduce. Thus, "runners" live to reproduce and pass this trait on to their offspring.
There are always exceptions to the rule, of course.
So, tell me....... would the forcible removal [swish of sword] [/swish] of people prone to violent crime from a relatively closed society over many generations produce a society with folks less disposed to violent crime?
You tell me; I don't know for sure but it's crossed my mind once or twice. ;)
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You all know what? Moore's movie made a lot of waves, got a lot of publicity, and turned up some tempers, BUT, all the griping about his movie, and all the supporet for President Busch, and all the hatred of President Busch, All the people saying that Kerry is gonna beat Busch in the election, still leaves us with the problem at hand, Its not a matter of who started the war on terror, the fact is WE ARE AT WAR. Personally from a Militeary veteran's point of view, and a fathers point of view, I think the main thing people should be thinking about is how to either win this terror war, or get out of it..
I've been to Iraq twice in my life, both times I had a "war" to fight. both times it was to liberate Kwait.
The Iraqi people were happy when we ousted Saddam from power, then they wanted us out of their country ( what did I say would happen?)
Ok they want us out? then we should've left after we ousted Saddam, BUT theres this little thing called the Gevenia convention that says we cant leave until a govt is set up in that country.
They don't want a govt set up by the United States, therefore, we're stuck in this for a long time.
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Originally posted by Toad
It's not a discussion about the crime rates in Japan vs America. It's in the vein of "why the difference?"
A good thing MT? I dunno. It just IS, isn't it? I guess it's good if it's the prime cause of their present low crime rate.. or is it?
All I can tell you is this:
When I was a kid, pheasant hunting wasn' the sport of the masses that it is now. As a result, those of us that did, didn't really need a dog. You could walk up on them and they'd "hold" until you got real close and then fly. Obviously, many of them died.
Now pheasants basically have a new "generation" every year. For the last 30 odd years in my personal experience, those that "hold" don't live to reproduce the next Spring.
Anymore, you can't hunt them without a dog. Only a very few will "hold" until you are close, even on opening day. This is a generally observed, widespread phenomenom in the heavily hunted areas.
However, if you go to the "great beyond" that's traditionally been lightly hunted over the last 30 years, you can still find pockets of what have become known as "dumb ones" that will hold.
The hypothesis is that we have enforced a little Darwinism on them. If you fly, you die and don't reproduce. Thus, "runners" live to reproduce and pass this trait on to their offspring.
There are always exceptions to the rule, of course.
So, tell me....... would the forcible removal [swish of sword] [/swish] of people prone to violent crime from a relatively closed society over many generations produce a society with folks less disposed to violent crime?
You tell me; I don't know for sure but it's crossed my mind once or twice. ;)
No doubt the more draconian the measures the more docile the society. Anyone disagreeing would be imprisoned or dead. I hear NAZI Germany had a pretty low crime rate too.
But that might have had more to do with Hitler taking all the guns... .
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Originally posted by sb1086
You all know what? Moore's movie made a lot of waves, got a lot of publicity, and turned up some tempers, BUT, all the griping about his movie, and all the supporet for President Busch, and all the hatred of President Busch, All the people saying that Kerry is gonna beat Busch in the election, still leaves us with the problem at hand, Its not a matter of who started the war on terror, the fact is WE ARE AT WAR. Personally from a Militeary veteran's point of view, and a fathers point of view, I think the main thing people should be thinking about is how to either win this terror war, or get out of it..
I've been to Iraq twice in my life, both times I had a "war" to fight. both times it was to liberate Kwait.
The Iraqi people were happy when we ousted Saddam from power, then they wanted us out of their country ( what did I say would happen?)
Ok they want us out? then we should've left after we ousted Saddam, BUT theres this little thing called the Gevenia convention that says we cant leave until a govt is set up in that country.
They don't want a govt set up by the United States, therefore, we're stuck in this for a long time.
Im sure the Al Queda want the US out of Iraq too... there was an intercepted letter from one of the higher ranks of al queda saying that they wanted to create a civil war in iraq and take over. this letter was asking for more help because things were not going as they hoped (or how the news portrays it).
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Why are you posting a movie review on this forum? Can't I find them somewhere else? Why don't you tell us what you think instead of a 'cut and paste'.
Oh wait, it's Michael Moore. Well....the term "Fat, Dumb, and Stupid" really dosen't do him justice. Something needs to be added about 'being so full of himself it comes out his ears'
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Gee...
Kindly point me to the post where you make that zact condemnation of a Riptard post. Plenty to choose from, shouldn't be hard.
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Originally posted by Toad
What's been the violent crime rate in Japan for the last 1000 years?
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Nothing compared to the violent crime rate on this continent for the past 400 years...not even close.
America in a landslide...
A good statistician would account for factors that are incomparable. Such as the differing levels of racial and cutural strife between the countries.
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I think I have the best idea that the whole world can use. Its a simple idea,
Why cant we all just be friends and stop killing each other?
or at least try to, instead of killing ourselves.
My science and history teachers both get togeather and do the stat thing, and they came up with a theroy that we as a human race, will cause our own extiction.
Somehow that just seems a little depressing to me.
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Nice idea alison but I think that involves the mysterious other 80% of the brain that we don't use.
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Alison, are you from the Peta boards?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
No doubt the more draconian the measures the more docile the society. Anyone disagreeing would be imprisoned or dead. I hear NAZI Germany had a pretty low crime rate too.
But that might have had more to do with Hitler taking all the guns... .
You know, I've heard that one so many times from the pro-gun lobby...the we need our guns to over throw the govt. thing - thats why Hitler took away all the guns, but I've never seen anything but flimsy anecdotal evidence.
Pre-western Japan was like any other colonial western power, a rigid class system that often lead to bloody inter clan/expansionist clashes. And like Nazi germany, power was held more through in indoctrination where loyalty was king.
As for Micheal Moore, I'll probably go see it, till then I don't have an educated opinion on F9/11...but I did enjoy Bowling.
Tronsky
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Alison, are you from the Peta boards?
If your talking about People for the Ethical treatment of Animals, the answer is NO!, theres no way I'd ever be associated with them. I hate PETA. Their terrorists too, just like the ones in Iraq and Afganistan.
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ok... lets all get along.... get rid of all weapons.... then somebody with a nail in a board uses it as a weapon and takes over the world. Human nature
Ironic we are talking peace on a war game:rolleyes:
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Raptor this may be a war game, but I'd rather get shot down by anyone in this "game" than in real life.
Yes, Aces High is a game, A game based on actual history. So just remember that when you look up something about the planes you fly, or the tanks you drive, your studying history:) I hate to say it to all you "kids", but your actually learning something LMAO. YOUR REALLY IN SCHOOL WHEN YOU PLAY THE GAME :)hahahahahahahahaha
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If I were a lefty... I would probly be a little alarmed that drivel and bull like moore's stuff would get a 20 minute ovation from fellow lefties..
would make you wonder about your alligence if you had any brains...
lazs