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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Saintaw on November 18, 2000, 11:45:00 PM
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Well, Flying Sims myself (but wearing glasses 1inch thick, or nearly...). I often wondered if I could land a Real plane (Kinda like in the movie "Airplane", but I'd start with a Cesna).
What do you think ?
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[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 11-18-2000).]
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If you can land plane in here you could probably land one in real life (might be ugly tho)
i only have experience in gliders tho... no powered airplanes for me
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Yes, I've flown alot in RL. <G>
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the only plane i have had experience landing in reality was a piper pa-140, in some aspects it was almost easier. the planes in a.h. are tail-draggers for the most part and in r.l. there is a greater field of vision and the other senses help - it's not just visual. it will never be less nerve-wracking though because if you miff a landing in a.h. ,so what, that will always be the biggest difference - more preparation and attention to consequence - that and a.t.c. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
edit - ps , my vision is also very poor - it will keep you out of the military but shouldn't stop you from getting a private ticket unless it isn't correctable -
[This message has been edited by mrfish (edited 11-19-2000).]
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I've landed a cessna 152 - was easier than i expected, you have *so* much better perception of speed, hieght, descent rate, your position relative to the RWay etc etc.
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i have a 2/3 size p-51 mustang kit that I put together and I fly it often although I never fly from an airport.. The wings come off and i put it on a trailer and just take off from this little road out in the country...any who, landing in real life is a bit easyer yet also more complex... its like there are more thing to do but you also have more snese of feel and drop and drag than looking at screen. id say yes a truely good sim pilot with a good sense of feeling could do it. I think the only REAL obsticle to overcome is the g-forces, I.E. that sense of drop and pressure can freak ya out if your not used to it.
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Good try Jihad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Saw
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I fly gliders, don't always land on the field though :-)
If someone tried a glider without experience especially on the airbrakes, he's likely to overshoot the field bigtime IMO.
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I took a training flight last year in a Cessna (by no means does that make me an expert).
Flying the plane, turning, etc. was pretty simple.
Taxiing on the runway was harder than flying. Getting used to the brakes and turning was the hardest part (but at least I stayed on the taxiway (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ).
Taking off and landing (I did not do those things) would probably be the hardest part. In a low-wind situation, I think I could probably do it (like someone said, it wouldn't be pretty), but with higher winds or a crosswind, I'm not so sure.
Fury
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Yes, I can land a plane.
It's easy - get to altitude, jump outta plane, pull ripcord and watch plane do a beautiful one time landing.
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i have a 2/3 size p-51 mustang kit that I put together and I fly it often although I never fly from an airport.. The wings come off and i put it on a trailer and just take off from this little road out in the country
Wobble I would like to see a picture of that! Sounds cool, 2/3 size of a real P51 you say? 2/3 of Cal. 50 Machine guns must be something like Caliber 32 - A bit weak but should be enuf to shoot down a Cessna now and then (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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[This message has been edited by GrinBird (edited 11-19-2000).]
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I think it would really depend on the airplane.
Planes like a 172 land practically by themselves. Tricycle gear decent view during decent. Some other Planes like the very short KR-2, are pitch sensitive, and can be a real dance on the pedals (taildragger) on the runway. Especially with any bit of a crosswind. Other taildraggers like the Jodel D11 my 9 year old daughter could fly, so again it would depend on the ride.
Also planes like the KR-2 have pretty weak gear mounts. The way I see some folks smak the runway in a sim makes me shudder. I know the KR2 would have the struts through the wing with a possible gear collapse.
Gazoo
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Have a pilots license.
Have flown differant planes.
Have flown and landed many airline sims, to include the 747/200 and 400. Alot of factors go into a landing, maintaing proper airspeed being one of the top keys to a good landing.
Its not all that hard, but doing it well, like anything takes training and practice.
Dago
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I think anyone who can land a Hog in AH well could probably land a Cessna in RL, so long as the following conditions were met:
1) There is no wind or turbulence, or just a steady headwind.
2) He has been told the proper speeds to fly the approach, and has practiced slow flight prior to attempting landing.
A long, wide runway would help too.
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Yes I think I could. Never had problems here, never had problems in MS Flight Sim 2000. Even handled virtual crosswinds (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Lemme ask you guys something: anyone else ever have fantasies while flying on a jet of a frantic stewardess coming running out of the cockpit asking if there was a pilot on board? I can imagine it now:
Scene: A transatlantic flight from Bonn to NY. Dinner has just been served on the flight and numerous passengers (and crew) have been incapacitated with food poisoning. The line to the bathroom spans the length of the 777 and at the end of it are ALL the pilots who then pass out from dehydration.
Stewardess: <frantic> "Is there anyone on board who is a pilot?"
Dingy: "I've flown various planes: Mustang P-51, Nik, 109s, 190s, Beechcraft KingAirs, Cessnas, and Lears. I'll help."
With some help from ATC, Dingy successfully lands the plane (not pretty tho) and saves the day. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) As I lean back and revel in a job well done, its only then that I found out all I did was turn on the autopilot to let the 777 land itself! ARGGGH!
Anyone else ever imagine that or am I just sick! LOL!
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[This message has been edited by Dingy (edited 11-19-2000).]
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Ill take a pic of my 51 and some inflight shots aswell and such and post them soon.
No sorry no guns on it though (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
i have been tempted to make some bombs for it but i think that would not be wise once the authorites got a hold of me. besides if the wrong people saw me i could end up on the bad end of a AIM 120's flight.
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I soloed in Ultralights in 1-1/2 hours. Most of the reason would be attributed to my aviation interests. Yes, if you can land here, you can land in real life. Wings level, watch speed, watch descent rate, flare, touchdown!
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I'm a flight Instructor, I'm deeply convinced that any of you guys can land a little general aviation aircraft in a no wind condition.
Now when you have a strong crosswind or small windshears, this is where you guys will range from barrely stay on the runway after a rought landing to runing off the tarmac and scrap the grass on 200 yards.
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I'm with you on that one Dingy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Well I had a flying lesson during the summer and I found it a lot easier than I expected. Like Fury I thought taxiing was the most difficult! Lucky for me my instructor had a lot of confidence in me and let me make two unassisted landings - he was ready to take control if necessary. It was an incredibly windy day and on approach I was having to stear full left then right etc., to keep the plane straight but that all added to the fun! Okay, it was only a Cessna 152 but I found the approach easier to contend with and you have a better perspective of everything around you - I found myself checking all around me all the time as if I was checking my SA! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I was also surprised at the rate of climb or to be more precise then angle you climb of which you can't get to grips with in a flight sim. I just wish I could afford to have more lessons!!
Regards
'Nexx'
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I thought they served different meals to the pilot and copilot...
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I've flown several types of planes, and currently fly aerobatics. I played flight sims (BoB) before I took my first lessons in '92, and it definitely helped me learn faster.
A tricycle-gear airplane like a Cessna? Yes, you could probably get it on the ground by yourself. You might bounce like Captain Kangaroo, but with a nice wide runway and easy wind conditions you could do it.
A tailwheel aircraft? No, you would almost certainly roll it into a ball.
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I can and do land a RL plane regularly.
Once I got rudder pedals and used them in AW I did notice my rudder technique improved. The practice of using the rudders for yaw got me to the point that I don't have to consciously think about having to use them and then start the process. It is much more automatic for me now.
Mav
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Every so often there are news reports of light aircraft being landed by people who have never flown before after the pilot becomes disabled.
The last one happened a few months ago in Florida. A family had hired a Cessna to fly them home and on the way, the pilot died. The father, who had never flown, took control and contacted an airtraffic controller who put him in contact with an instructor who was flying nearby. The instructor successfully talked the guy through the landing. It wasn't a pretty landing, but the guy saved his family.
Given how much I've pondered aircraft and how they work, yes, I think I could land a light aircraft if conditions were good.
I'm not saying that it would be pretty, but I think I could do it.
Sisu
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Just one thing, remember that if you've never flown a RL plane and you DO regularly drive a car with no automatic gear shifting, the moment you touch the ground and start going on the pedals, you will most definitely go to the left (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I fly a Robin 120, nice lo-wing two-seater. Swift and very agile, has similar performances to a 152.
Oh, and flying sims makes you look more inside the plane -instruments- than outside (which you should do) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I like AH, but there's nothing like flying RL :P
Daniel, aka CyranoAH
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Dinger, you are right, they do serve differant meals to the flight crews. Both pilots are not to eat the same meal.
I work at an airline and have flown jumpseat on many flights, I know this is accurate.
Dago
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Originally posted by Saintaw:
Well, Flying Sims myself (but wearing glasses 1inch thick, or nearly...). I often wondered if I could land a Real plane (Kinda like in the movie "Airplane", but I'd start with a Cesna).
What do you think ?
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Saintaw,
Anyone can land a plane (i have several hours solo in Cessnas and Pipers)... With a bit of practice anyone can even land one by themselves... Landing a plane WELL is the hard part.
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If Torque wasn't on my six, maybe
...Weave
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Heheh you right Cyrano, AH (pre 1.4 FM) is harder... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Only flew Piper Warrior/Archer and Cessna 152 and they were so pilot-friendly you hardly had to do anything to keep that plane up... as for the landings: did power-off, no-flaps landings regularly and they were way easier than here... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) What I would like to do is fly one of those monster-engine warbirds we have here - weeeeeeeeeeeeeee - wouldn't bet my money on landing that one... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Dingy, you read my fantasies...
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Hehe, of course I have those dreams (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
I fly gliders in real life, so I know I can land a plane. I could probably put down one of these warbirds or a jet if the weather was good, too, but I don't think it would be very pretty (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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Rickenbacker (Ricken)
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the Independent Swedish Air Force
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Yep, have hundreds of landing on wheels, floats and amphib floats.
Worst landing ever? The day I ditched my float plane on a gravel road, the kind of floats without wheels! Only good thing about it was that I got a new set of skins and keel strips from the bow to the main step on both floats($6500 later). Oh, and we walked away of course (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Have a picture of it sitting on the road somehwere........
ts
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After years of glider towing i have quite some "landings from unusual position" under my belt .. i think most sim pilots could learn it VERY quickly .. but IMHO without an instructor for the first vew tries we'd look at a lot of bent planes..
It's just hard to get the flare right .. most people tend to round out early and not even a C152 Landing gear can stand a 30 feet drop :P
DW6
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Done it in RL, but not with a license! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Hossa,
did a trainingsflight(was a present from a girlfriend ,who was tired of seeing me flyin always on the puter) in Cessna 152 the last year. Did eyerything by myself exept a complete landing. Heh, that was fun...
Well, think i can bring down such a plane in 1 piece (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
blitz
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Your only experience being a computer sim, the odds of you either killing yourself or destroying a perfectly good aircraft would be great.
There obviously is a difference between RL and this or any other sim....in addition, having a instructor with you while you fly does not count, for those of you who say they have flown. I took the question to mean, all alone or intructor dies of a massive coronary, etc. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Having flown for many years in RL myself, I would be curious to hear the opinions of other licensed RL pilots, like Toad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ice
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Dingy......your sick..... (*_~)
RAS
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Wow, that's a good question SaintAW. I'm inclined to agree with Ice, tho. Landing (and much of flying) is done by feel as much as anything else... nothing that a sim can give you a feel for (someday tho (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Maybe Frenchy is right tho (and I'm inclined to listen to him) about doing it under perfect conditions... and a really long runway. Biggest mistake pilots make is floating too long in ground effect, and then **SLAM**. My first landing had a big psych-factor to it, cuz I already had about 200 rotorcraft hours... I figured it would be easy. But it demands complete attention, every single time. After you've done it once, you know better what to expect.
But landing on the first try... doubtful. If you can do it, the cockpit is where you belong!
ps. All you people who want to fly (all of you) get out there and take an orientation flight. it costs about as much as this game (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I don't think it would be hard at all to land.
Landing and being able to walk away is another story. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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It's the flare that requires the experience, for lots of reasons (like wind). Computers really don't supply that kind of experience.
It's not hard to get over a runway and chop the power. Now whether or not you call that a landing.... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I will say this:
I routinely participate in "Eagle Day" with the EAA, giving young kids rides in light aircraft. The PT-19 is perfect, since it was designed as a basic trainer. Once we get about 500 feet in the air, I do a brief flight control demo that shows and explains the way the controls work. Then I turn them loose, telling them to make some gentle turns or climbs and dives.
I can tell within about 30 seconds which ones have a computer with a flying game on it. So far, after asking them, I have 100% accuracy rate on guessing if they "fly" on a computer.
In short, the computer games do a great job of giving an understanding of controls and their use and basic spatial relationships.
Haven't let any of the kids try to land it yet though!
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[This message has been edited by Toad (edited 11-21-2000).]
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Great story Toad. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
We have Eagle Day here at COU too. I'll have to start asking the kids if they fly sims. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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with just Aces High sim flying experience anyone could land a single engine even tail dragger but only as frenchy said...
with no wind or mechanical, wake, etc turbulence, gusts, wind shear etc.
ie if the atmosphere isn't being its normal tempermental self you could do some real grease landings no problem (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Here is an interesting anomaly. My buddy deezcamp is taking pilot lessons and can land and take off in a real plane. The problem is, he always crashes in aces. I think the last tour he landed his plane only once. Kinda funny huh?