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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BlckMgk on May 20, 2004, 10:57:17 PM
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Hey folks, I was in the market to buy an Infiniti G35 Coupe.
I just wanted to ask if anyone of you could help me find some pricing information on this car. Some of my resources on this car is a bit limited, because it is a new carline. I've read good reviews from http://www.consumerreport.org plus some other sites, so I'm not to worried about getting a crappy car, as much as getting burned at the deal (assuming most folks concerns). If there is any thing you could offer it would be much appreciated.
Opinions are always appreciated about this car, as well as tips on trying to get the dealer to reduce the price of the car.
Thanks in advance,
-BM
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I believe there are some G35 / Z forums out there. Usually some really knowledgable people on those forums.
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Cool, thanks Funked was hoping you'd respond was the person I wanted an opion on about the car. I know it isn't as fast as the WRx STi, but what ya say?
-BM
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If you want my two bits, wait a couple of years while someone else takes the butt kicking as that thing drops in value like a rock. Then pick one up used for half the price.
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Resale on an Infinite is about the worst out there. You're better off buying a Nissan (all an Infinite is)
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The G35 Coupe is a pretty nice car for what it is...I actually like it better than the 350Z. Just my opinion, but I think the published hp is conservative and that it is really pushing out about the same hp as the 350Z.
The website I use to get a good idea for what to pay on a new car is http://www.edmunds.com/
They give a TMV (true market value) which shows what reasonable dealers are accepting for a car. When I've helped others negociate for a new car, their TMV has been spot on.
The also have links to info about dealer hold-back and other money makers for the dealer.
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I'm not knocking the 350Z/G35(aka Skyline) but B. M. they've been haveing tons of gearbox issues, break squeeling, and abnormal tire ware, and feathering.
http://www.infinitihelp.com/Infiniti/Bulletins/G35/Year.htm
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you get a better deal/value for a two year old car instead of buying new
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The G35 is a great car.
Should run you around $35K reasonably optioned out for a 6spd coupe.
No glaring problems that Im aware of - a few owners have had some transmission problems, IIRC.
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Yeah let someone else take the hit, just about to purchase a used Aston Martin DB7, it's now lost all of the tax that was paid by the owner from new and also the largest part of its depreciation.
wipass
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Originally posted by wipass
Yeah let someone else take the hit, just about to purchase a used Aston Martin DB7, it's now lost all of the tax that was paid by the owner from new and also the largest part of its depreciation.
wipass
You better post pics as soon as you park it at home!
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It'd be ideal to wait a year, but its not going to happen. I've always felt more comfortable purchasing new cars, than a used car.
Thanks for the info.
-BM
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Infinity G35 Coupe info at Edmunds.com (http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/infiniti/g35/100330766/prices.html?tid=edmunds.n.mipmake.popular.num1.1.infiniti*)
Look at the TVM pricing report. Also see the Edmunds Tips and Advice info. It's a popular car, so be realistic.
(Everyone with a noodle thinks they are an expert at getting that special deal on a car, yet dealers continue to roll in dough. Hmm.)
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Edmunds, Kelly blue book, Consumer reports... good places to start but don't look at them as a bible. Too many people come to me when trading in a car and think I'm trying to screw them because my offer is so low compared to what some internet site told them what their car is worth.
$30 to 34k for a used G35, any higher buy new. Also you don't need to buy from an Infinity dealer, all Infinitys 1995 and newer come with a 4 year 60,000 mile bumber to bumper and 6 year 70,000 mile powertrain warrenty that is fully transferable.
Go to Edmunds or Kelly blue book and pay no more than $2,000 to $3,000 below what they say the retail price of a vehicle is.
Email me if you need more help.
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A new car is almost as bad of an investment as putting your life savings into fireworks. Sure, it looks and smells pretty, but you're left with an empty bag when it's all over.
Last year, I bought a 1999 Yukon, 4X4, all the options for $17K. It was in perfect shape, low miles, and I expect a long life out of it. New, it sold for close to $45K.
A 2 or 3 year old car, properly cared for, is essentially indistinguishable from a new car. The only difference is that all the things that came broken from the factory have been fixed.
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A domestic brand vehicle retains only 36% of its original sticker after 3 years and imports retain 52%.
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Originally posted by VWE
A domestic brand vehicle retains only 36% of its original sticker after 3 years and imports retain 52%.
Where do you get your facts? Kiplinger's says that a new car loses 60% of it's value in the first four years. They don't make a distinction for domestic and import. I think the numbers you're quoting are a bit off.
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If its just a sports car you want...Buy a Vette !!!!!!!!:D
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Originally posted by RedTop
If its just a sports car you want...Buy a Vette !!!!!!!!:D
like porsche's better here.
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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
I'm not knocking the 350Z/G35(aka Skyline) but B. M. they've been haveing tons of gearbox issues, break squeeling, and abnormal tire ware, and feathering.
http://www.infinitihelp.com/Infiniti/Bulletins/G35/Year.htm
Had our a year only oil changes so far no troubles.
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Just a thought you might want to keep in mind.
If you have a good credit rating
If your financing dont just negotiate the price of the car but the intrest rate as well.
Most people just go in and accept whatever interest rate the dealer offers not knowing they can negotiate it.
The key to this is a good credit rating.
And never accept their first three offers
Even if they try to say they cant do any better then that.
They are lying
If they argue just get up like you are going to walk out.
I promise they wont let you.
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I used to sell Fords.
You really want to blow there minds!
Tell them you want to see the invoice from the manf you know the one with the MSO
stapled to it.
Then offer em 8% over that LOL.
I used to show my customers the invoice
THE REAL one .
And I would ask them how much over that number would they be willing to pay and feel they got a good deal?
It was our store policy at the time all on the table up front and honest with people.
you would not believe how many repetes customers I got that way.
Used to sell 25-30 cars and trucks a month.
Of course had to work 11hrs a day 6 days a week to do it LOL.
Anyway If they wont show you the invoice head towards the door because they got something they are hiding.
If they didnt they would show it to you no problem.
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My company changed it's car program last year which brought a change in my usual company car, which was a Volvo. So...I ventured out into the unknown to purchase a car with their money.
I loved the appearance of the G35, so I test drove one. It was a rocketship with so much torque steer, I was looking over my shoulder to check if I was going to cut someone off, when I punched it. The car had a very stiff ride, but it goes with the car.
The Salesman gave me a good price to buy, and to lease was around $349.00 month. I test drove a lot of cars, but the G35 kept coming back to the top of my list. Then, I came to my senses, and asked myself why I wanted a car with 260hp. I couldn't answer the question, other than maybe it was to obtain traffic violations to match the fun times of my youth. Well, I talked myself right out of that car, and bought a Honda EX with leather. Ok, the Honda is a great car, but it's not exciting. So if you want the G35, step out and GET IT. You can always trade it, and get a Honda later. ;)
Thorns
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Where do you get your facts? Kiplinger's says that a new car loses 60% of it's value in the first four years. They don't make a distinction for domestic and import. I think the numbers you're quoting are a bit off.[/Q]
Black book (http://www.blackbookusa.com)
The Black book is updated every month and it is what auto dealers use as their bible.
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Originally posted by txmx
Tell them you want to see the invoice from the manf you know the one with the MSO stapled to it.
So how does that invoice number compare to the invoice number you get from KBB or Edmunds? I'm sure it's lower; how much lower?
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Originally posted by txmx
I used to sell Fords.
You really want to blow there minds!
Tell them you want to see the invoice from the manf you know the one with the MSO
stapled to it.
Then offer em 8% over that LOL.
I used to show my customers the invoice
THE REAL one .
And I would ask them how much over that number would they be willing to pay and feel they got a good deal?
It was our store policy at the time all on the table up front and honest with people.
you would not believe how many repetes customers I got that way.
Used to sell 25-30 cars and trucks a month.
Of course had to work 11hrs a day 6 days a week to do it LOL.
Anyway If they wont show you the invoice head towards the door because they got something they are hiding.
If they didnt they would show it to you no problem.
This seems very reasonable.. Is there something I should use to ID Manuf. Invoice? (Its the same as Factory Invoice right?)
Really could make the whole process much easier. Did a test run on some numbers I pulled off of edmunds, and with 8% it was pricing about $400 of what others have paid, about $1k less than sticker.
We'll see how things play out this week. Thanks again bud.
-BM
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Originally posted by txmx
I used to sell Fords.
You really want to blow there minds!
Tell them you want to see the invoice from the manf you know the one with the MSO
stapled to it.
Then offer em 8% over that LOL.
I used to show my customers the invoice
THE REAL one .
And I would ask them how much over that number would they be willing to pay and feel they got a good deal?
It was our store policy at the time all on the table up front and honest with people.
you would not believe how many repetes customers I got that way.
Used to sell 25-30 cars and trucks a month.
Of course had to work 11hrs a day 6 days a week to do it LOL.
Anyway If they wont show you the invoice head towards the door because they got something they are hiding.
If they didnt they would show it to you no problem.
I used to sell Fords.
You really want to blow there minds!
Blow my mind, learn how to spell.
Tell them you want to see the invoice from the manf you know the one with the MSO
stapled to it.
An MSO is title to the vehicle, that's all. No invoice reflects dealer incentives or holdback.
Then offer em 8% over that LOL.
LOL. LOL. LOL? Yeah, mrblack, they'd be laughing alright, 8% over on a $30,000 vehicle = $2,400 profit on a new car. Add in holdback, incentives, etc and that's a fat deal on a new car. Wait until they get you into finance and hand you your ass.
I used to show my customers the invoice
THE REAL one .
And I would ask them how much over that number would they be willing to pay and feel they got a good deal?
And what the F did they say? You're such a super salesman I think that for your two hours of time I'll give you $3,000 in profit?! Customers have been conditioned not to believe anything car salesman say and certainly not to believe what they show them. It's the only job I can think of where people think that they can use and abuse you're time, treat you like ****, and expect the world when they need a problem but don't think you're entitled to make a dime. People are squealing retarded, they'll gladly pay a real estate agent 3.5% just to list their home and another 3.5% to sell it. In the South that's an average of over $15,000 per house. See anything on 60 Minutes about that? What about mortgage companies and banks? They'll act like paying you 2% on you're money is a great deal and then charge you $5,000 in fees and 6% for a mortgage. Let a dealer try to make some rate in the finance office because dealer cost is all over the internet and it's a capital crime.
It was our store policy at the time all on the table up front and honest with people.
you would not believe how many repetes customers I got that way.
You're right, I don't believe you. And there's the spelling thing again Einstein. Tell a customer the absolute truth and give them all the information they need and they'll buy it from the next lot for $1 less once they run into a real salesman. I'm guessing this might be why you are no longer selling cars.
Used to sell 25-30 cars and trucks a month.
Bull****. Why is it that everyone who used to sell 25 -30 cars a month is now doing something else? What a load of horse****. Even if you gave every car away by being the customer's friend and had a ****ty pay plan 25 - 30 cars would still pay over $10K with bonuses at most stores. Plus any salesman doing those kind of numbers would be promoted to management to better use his closing skills. You just wack off on a flightsim BBS all day, and claim to be a truck driver. I did the math, your fulla shat.
Of course had to work 11hrs a day 6 days a week to do it LOL.
How long exactly were you in the car business? Ninety days? Any salesman worth a **** works smart and is there when the store's busy and relaxing when it's dead.
Anyway If they wont show you the invoice head towards the door because they got something they are hiding.
If they didnt they would show it to you no problem.
Well, how will you know if it's the REAL invoice? I don't know of any dealer that's going to let a salesman carry around the MSO (kind of like running around with a signed title). What a clueless AH ****, ultra account fool. You could just go online there are several ways to find out the cost of a new car including holdback, incentives, etc. Of course what do I know, your the jack of all trades and many shades.
The Wobble at least had better stories.
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Anyway If they wont show you the invoice head towards the door because they got something they are hiding.
Uh... we are talking about USED cars, they don't have invoices. That's whats great about used vehicles, a customer can't go onto the internet and see what I actually have in it.
With bonus, if you average 15 cars you'll gross about $6,000 a month and you were doing 25 to 30? Check your facts before you attempt to tell a story in here. And at 15 cars you'll be here bell to bell 6 days a week.
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Thank you Creamo, was about to make an bellybutton outta of myself at the dealership today if I had used his advice.
Just got a full report from comsumerreports.com says with dealer holdbacks etc. price is starting 29,974.
Funny story, returned one of the salesmans calls, I said hello, told him what I was looking for he quoted me a price over the phone, and from all that knows I'm a nice guy and would like to do business with me.......... haha funny.
-BM
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Just an update for those who care, and helped. Purchase today closed.
Black 6Speed
Willow (light) interior leather
Premium Package
With Rear spolier(Ricer!)
Nav system (Didn't want it but got it anyways)
Out the door, 35,800 - 700 for my old junker trade in, - $5,000 down, financed for 4 years at 3.58%.... Was a tough fight but I got what I was looking for.
Funny story though, got home and still had the keys of my trade in, in my pocket. Woops.. but those fckers forgot to service the engine, the coolants low (shoulda checked) I wonder what else is missing, we'll see in the morning.
Thanks again for the buying tips they really helped.
-BM
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Sweet, those are cool cars.