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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SCDR on May 22, 2004, 04:23:16 PM
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I have seen alot of stuff in AH that falls in the "Wow that was strange!" catagory, but today topped it.
I was in a tiger and a 38 came in lo and hit me with JUST 2 rockets and I died. Not only was that BS it was strange.
I sure hope this doesn't happen in AH2.
SCDR
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There's more to tanks than damagepoints and hitpoints.
A tank is strong. But a tank is brittle. It takes a good hit to kill a tank, a hit that doesn't kill it will likely do little damage. It only takes one good hit to kill a tank, and that one good hit will often destroy it completly.
It's also worth noting that the absolute weakest point of a tanks armor is the top.
Nothing strange.
(Note, rant into general complaints about GV model follows, as well as some monstrously bad paintbrush drawing)
This is what a tanks armor looks like(The thick part is the front) Drawn are hypothetical shots. The blue lines are shots which do no damage, the red lines are shots which in this case would be able to penetrate the armor. Note the relative thickness of the armor. Also note that the 'diagonal' shots have to pass through more armor in order to penetrate, the farther from 90 degrees that the shot hits at, the more armor it has to penetrate.
(http://death.innomi.com/uploads/armor1.jpg)
Now lets consider a couple cases of 1v1 tank duels.
On the left, we have one tank parked facing the rear of the other tank. This is a common case where you get such unbalances as hitting an identical tank 10 times, and then dying to the first shot. The tank on top has a huge advantage over the tank on the bottom who's weakest part is exposed.
In the next two we have the top tank at a 45 degree angle to the bottom tank. The bottom tank has nothing but his front armor exposed, while the top tank has both front and side armor exposed. The top tank's front armor may now be at a high enough angle that you have no chance of getting through it. So you'll need to aim for the weaker side armor.
(http://death.innomi.com/uploads/armor2.JPG)
Some of this is generalizations, some may be flat out wrong. Not intended for actual military use. Etc.
While the GV model isnt perfect, and has some real problems. The vast majority of tank complaints stem from a lack of understanding of armored warfare.
Two more points,
Tanks will ALWAYS turn to face thier enemy(when possible) in order to get thier strongest armor protecting them. In the same line of reasoning, a tank will always retreat in reverse, so as to avoid exposing thier weak rear armor.
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Originally posted by SCDR
I have seen alot of stuff in AH that falls in the "Wow that was strange!" catagory, but today topped it.
I was in a tiger and a 38 came in lo and hit me with JUST 2 rockets and I died. Not only was that BS it was strange.
I sure hope this doesn't happen in AH2.
SCDR
I was in an il2 the other day and my rockets bounced off a tiger and nearly hit me!
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I have killed tigers with a single rocket from a tiffy. Very low angle and from the side. I have no idea if they had been damaged before or not.
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Originally posted by BenDover
I was in an il2 the other day and my rockets bounced off a tiger and nearly hit me!
My Dad was riding as an Observer in an OV-10, pilot went in to blow a barge out of the water with rockets, he said they bounced off and he saw them go over te canopy.
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You think thats strange........I've droped a 1800kg bomb DIRECTLY on top of a tiger....looked at my radio and had no kill sign??? I looked back at the tiger and he was sitting in the crater smoking but still alive??? explain that crap:mad:
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You missed.
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i read once some wear that tiffys used to ain so the bullets hit the belly of the tank by bounice off the ground just in front? proberly wrong
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Originally posted by rogerdee
i read once some wear that tiffys used to ain so the bullets hit the belly of the tank by bounice off the ground just in front? proberly wrong
i heard that this was a common strategy. never thought of it as exclusive among Typhoon pilots.
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There are different types of rockets in AH right? Some seemed like their designed for tank busting, others for buildings, etc.
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Originally posted by rogerdee
i read once some wear that tiffys used to ain so the bullets hit the belly of the tank by bounice off the ground just in front? proberly wrong
I heard it was more from p47 pilots
Anyway, its been disregarded as complete BS here multiple times.
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