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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on May 22, 2004, 10:54:26 PM
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Ok, over the top.
I'm upset, with them beacuse of the obvious glee they have in beliving and enjoying in beliveing in the worst about america.
However since I'm still pissed, I will have to post the following image which I should have posted instead to remind people that america isnt some evil monster.
(http://www.olive-drab.com/images/champs_elyses_victory_parade_44.jpg)
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Now, Grun, you're a bit "over the top" here.
Uncalled for, mate.
Understand the film festival for what it is. Look at the winners the past five year or so. Look at the last US origin film to get the Palm.
Seriously, what did you expect? This isn't about how good a film is, really.
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sorry cant resist
France: 'We Surrender Forever!'
Monday May 17, 2004
French President Jacques Chirac has announced a plan for France to surrender retroactively in all of history's previous wars, and to preemptively surrender to all potential enemies in future armed conflicts.
Members of the French legislature unanimously signed the new Declaration of Capitulation. It contains language that announces France's immediate and unconditional surrender in all past and future international disputes, regardless of the circumstances.
"This will save so much time and effort," announced Chirac at a press conference in Paris. "We as French people historically have always had the same solution when threatened -- to give up. By surrendering now, we can cut back on our unnecessary military expenditures. Because we always eventually surrender anyway, we have truly been wasting this money."
However, the decision to surrender is about much more than saving money. "It is really about who we are as a people," explains French government spokesman Guy Belacque.
Check out more aboutFrance's Surrender in the latest Weekly World News today!
Ok i'm done now....carry on
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
(http://cla.calpoly.edu/~lcall/hitler_paris.jpg)
Grun... I agree with Toad on that... plus, Tarentino was the head of judges... so, guess you should blame us eh?
BTW, IN before the lock!
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You need to read the book "Is Paris Burning?" A true account of the French Resistance and General von Choltiz, who worked together to reclaim Paris and defy Hitler.
Choltiz refused to destroy Paris at Hitler's orders, and would have surely been executed by Hitler as a traitor, if Hitler could have gotten his hands on Choltiz.
Choltiz put his life on the line....and is a hero. Paris was at Choltiz' discretion.
Les
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Quite honestly, I'm very surprised Grun hasn't been banned permanently.
You ban the top five people posting in threads that have been closed and...viola, you elminate probably 90% of closed threads, 75% of the political rhetoric (your candidate sucks less than my candidate) and the OT as a whole has about 50% less posts.
Mayhaps 'tis is something to be considered.
Personally I would rather some stiff banning if we aren't going to have a political forum since you can predict 'who' will post 'what' in certain political threads. It's all very redundant to watch the same 'ole crap be retread time after time. Turns me off rather.
Why people keep posting this crap is beyond me. I'm no more likely to convince someone else that my view is any better than they are of convincing me yet we keep having these heated political arguments. Well arguments is taking a rather loose interpretation, they seem more like monologues devoid of audience consideration. 'This is the truth because it's what I believe'.
Shame on all of us. Sad to see that people willingly choose to 'argue' points over the internet when it is obvious that no one will change their minds. Even sadder to see the repetition that occurs in these very same occourances.
Socrates is dead. Long live Aristotle.
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I think Grun needs a walk on the beach.:(
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Originally posted by SOB
I think Grun needs a walk on the beach.:(
OOh OOH! Grun!!! Pick ME!!!! I'll go with ya!! All yer "patting" posts have really started to get me turned on... ya big luvable lug, you.
(btw.... awesome nazi pics and just general freaking out by folks who haven't even seen the film they are freaking out about. There lies a nifty science experiment here, somewhere...)
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Originally posted by Nash
There lies a nifty science experiment here, somewhere
Mr Black "was" an expert in BBS experimentation...look where it got him :D
Tronsky
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Ok, over the top.
I'm upset, with them beacuse of the obvious glee they have in beliving and enjoying in beliveing in the worst about america.
However since I'm still pissed, I will have to post the following image which I should have posted instead to remind people that america isnt some evil monster.
(http://www.olive-drab.com/images/champs_elyses_victory_parade_44.jpg)
Not an evil monster - yeah right..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/3737863.stm
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I don't believe there is advertising revenue generated by hits on this private BBS - Why HTC allows political postings anywhere here is a great mystery to me. I simply do not understand the logic of it.
To me, it degrades the image of HTC and their product. Imagine a normal human being and prospective customer looking in at the BBS to get a feel for the 'community' and clicking on this O'club...
But, there must be some rationale for allowing it, and value HTC derives from it. I wish I was sophisticated enough to figure it out.
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Originally posted by Toad
Now, Grun, you're a bit "over the top" here.
Uncalled for, mate.
Understand the film festival for what it is. Look at the winners the past five year or so. Look at the last US origin film to get the Palm.
Seriously, what did you expect? This isn't about how good a film is, really.
Elephant was a bad film ?
Wtf is wrong with you currently ?
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Perhaps he was reffering to the awards Bowling For Comumbine got?
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Originally posted by Rolex
I don't believe there is advertising revenue generated by hits on this private BBS - Why HTC allows political postings anywhere here is a great mystery to me. I simply do not understand the logic of it.
To me, it degrades the image of HTC and their product. Imagine a normal human being and prospective customer looking in at the BBS to get a feel for the 'community' and clicking on this O'club...
But, there must be some rationale for allowing it, and value HTC derives from it. I wish I was sophisticated enough to figure it out.
It's a good point - I mean IL2 forum bans all political posts so all they talk about is IL2.......the nearest thing to controversy is trying to discuss the forward view from a FW190 and if you post anything that vaguely questions big brother it gets shut down and no-one talks about it....this is better, though I do feel sorry for Skuzzy at times.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Perhaps he was reffering to the awards Bowling For Comumbine got?
Last "palme d'or" was for Elephant.
And it was last year.
btw thank GRUN for once you didn't post the Hitler in front of the Eiffel tower.
But unfortunatly some $$$$$ chose to do so ...
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Didnt Bowling get some award of unprecedented praise?
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But I meant at Cannes, IIRC they created a whole new award for this film.
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Grun.... I hope you come armed with paper towels... cuz yer makin' a mess everywhere you happen upon.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But I meant at Cannes, IIRC they created a whole new award for this film.
hmmmm ?
Don't remember but I would find this surprising.
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Originally posted by Nash
Grun.... I hope you come armed with paper towels... cuz yer makin' a mess everywhere you happen upon.
I'm traveling up to Vancouver again this summer, mind if I drop by?
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Oh... I moved again...
I blame it on the weather...
Vancouver's dead anyways...
Come a few hundred miles east of it... To Calgary and I swear to GOD I'll make sure you have the best time of yer entire life.
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When would Grunherz learn that past actions do not make it right to do wrong.
If anything, that picture reminds me more how america has changed since then and how they are not behaving at all like they used to.
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Hey, most of the people in Cannes gets their money from the government film aids. So naturally they think that there is no life beyond leftist aid-based living. Moore & Co have gotten rich, but that doesent stop them. Left/socialists dont really care who is wealthy and who is not (altough they pretend to care), all they care is if you dont like their flow of taughts. Their beliefs are based on assimilation, they hate things that they are unable to control, so natural fix for that is (if they ever get to decide) to control everything.
Hmm, Skuzzy is that you? :o
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Originally posted by Fishu
When would Grunherz learn that past actions do not make it right to do wrong.
If anything, that picture reminds me more how america has changed since then and how they are not behaving at all like they used to.
Yeah, in the past they didnt allow independent media in their battlefields.
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Gunslinger posted from the "France Surrenders Forever" thread, so I'm going to do the same.
Originally posted by Dago
Finally a fun thread, picking on France is always good stuff.
Q: Why are French tanks cheaper to build then any others?
A: Because the transmission only has to have a reverse gear!
Ah yes, French bashing - a very popular pastime on this board in months/years gone by. And the French are just expected to lie down and take it.
But oh! if anyone dares to say anything bad about America, woe betide them! Erm... free speech, anybody?
It cracks me up to see America getting so bent out of shape about an "anti-American" film having won an award - in France of all places. Muhahahaha! :rofl
Think of this as the price payable for all that French bashing you guys did. I am in a state of euphoria over this entire deal! :lol
Balance, my boys, balance. ;)
WSFTGISFTG - Gawd, I love that phrase! :aok
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Je pense aussi qu'ils ont eu la monnaie de leur piéce ,mais si je dit ça je vais me faire emmerder "ad vitam eternam ..."
D'ailleur ce post n'existe pas :D
(sauf dans votre imagination)
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It cracks me up to see America getting so bent out of shape about an "anti-American" film having won an award
Respectfully, you are missing the point. Indeed we are sensitive to our failures, as I think most people are, regardless of their nation of origin. Maybe Americans are even MORE sensitive than people of other countries. Of course, this could be due to the fact that no other nation gets bashed so much, no matter what we do.
The point: Moore doesn't tell the truth. He makes fictional movies and calls them documentaries.
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Originally posted by straffo
Je pense aussi qu'ils ont eu la monnaie de leur piéce ,mais si je dit ça je vais me faire emmerder "ad vitam eternam ..."
D'ailleur ce post n'existe pas :D
(sauf dans votre imagination)
Translation:
I think Beetle is an ass. In fact, we Frenchmen still hate you British bastards. You have bad teerth and terrible food and your beer tastes like cow piss.
Long live Napoleon!!!
;)
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Originally posted by Steve
Of course, this could be due to the fact that no other nation gets bashed so much, no matter what we do.
Maybe other nations are more willing to admit their mistake in general public and therefore bashing stops short :D
Anyhoo.. French got bashed much more than americans, in a very short time, for their refusal to join the coalition forces in iraq.
US bashing pales in comparison to all that crap thrown at frenchies for such a pitiful reason as participating in war in Iraq.
(french bashing has been lately quieting down ... it isn't a big wonder why :rolleyes: )
Somewhat many americans are also very very keen to call people anti-american for almost anything which is directed against US imago.
Meanwhile I don't recall any frenchies calling americans anti-french other than perhaps sarcastically. :p
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Originally posted by Steve
The point: Moore doesn't tell the truth. He makes fictional movies and calls them documentaries.
Well if that is the case, why so many overheated threads about Moore? If he is so discredited as you suggest, his movie should be like water off a duck's back. But no. Many people here are getting bent out of shape about it. And last time the NRA tried to have his Oscar rescinded! :lol
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Translation:
I think Beetle is an ass. In fact, we Frenchmen still hate you British bastards. You have bad teerth and terrible food and your beer tastes like cow piss.
Long live Napoleon!!!
;)
can't disagree with the last 2 sentences :D
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GRUNHERZ must mean "BINARY" in some foreign language... :rolleyes:
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Gotta love it. All this over a movie none of you have ever seen. :rolleyes:
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Saintaw whay are all Frenchmen as surly as you?
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(replying to your initial post: Are you from Paris?)
Yes, actually from Brussels, the capital of Paris :p
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All you french look alike. :)
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... but I DO like Peanut butter and DP, I guess that makes me 'Less' Anti-American, right??? ... Because if I follow your line of thought, AS SOON as I dissagree with you, I am being anti-American. hence the binary comment.
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You like Peanut Butter? Phew!
That makes you allright in my book!!! Genuine American. Here's a flag for you ! :lol
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Originally posted by Tuomio
Hey, most of the people in Cannes gets their money from the government film aids. So naturally they think that there is no life beyond leftist aid-based living. Moore & Co have gotten rich, but that doesent stop them. Left/socialists dont really care who is wealthy and who is not (altough they pretend to care), all they care is if you dont like their flow of taughts. Their beliefs are based on assimilation, they hate things that they are unable to control, so natural fix for that is (if they ever get to decide) to control everything.
Hmm, Skuzzy is that you? :o
you know pretty nothing mate
when our goverment gives money to FilmFes, all bills whitch authors of fest pay are public. Goverment later check if bills are Ok and if somebody of Co`s didnt use own company to sell things, services to festival.
Company of relatives of Co's are also banned to provide what ever buth donations to film fest.
So helll .. yeahhh ... our socialist goverment are giving money freely to alll Co's all around the world... you rock man
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Since when is being critical of Bush anti-american? Are you going to throw your brown shirt on and go round up the americans who see this film grun? This is not communist yugoslavia, being critical on the president is as american as you can get.
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I forgot to mention Beef Jerky, can anyone send me some? I can find it here, but it's about 5$ for a 100 grams :(
Oh and Cheeze in tube, hmmmmm :)
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Originally posted by Saintaw
(replying to your initial post: Are you from Paris?)
Yes, actually from Brussels, the capital of Paris :p
:lol
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Nice troll Ustashi boy :rolleyes: How anyone takes a wannabe like you seriously I really don't know.
Grunherz, king of the straw-man argument, arbiter of weak sarcasm in lieu of any semblance of rational debate, a shining example of the complacent dumbed-down morons of his generation.
Next!
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Originally posted by Saintaw
I forgot to mention Beef Jerky, can anyone send me some? I can find it here, but it's about 5$ for a 100 grams :(
Oh and Cheeze in tube, hmmmmm :)
I can get you some Biltong if you like....
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That would be great Shaden, can you please email me? sawATonpoi.net, thanks!
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Oh and Beetle, that is actually a quote from an American I met in Okinawa many years ago. When I told him I was belgian, he looked puzzled and after a while said:
Ah yes, Belgiam, the capital of Paris!
:D
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Originally posted by Saintaw
... but I DO like Peanut butter and DP,
You like double penetra.........:eek:
Hope that's not receiving
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Nevermind..I'd only be pissing in the wind.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
That would be great Shaden, can you please email me? sawATonpoi.net, thanks!
Sure will do, you want Kudu, Springbok, Ostrich, Crocodile or Beef and do you want sliced or slab?
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Elephant, the last Palme D'Or from the US is a fictional account of a school shooting in a fictional American high school.
It didn't get recognized at the Oscars and wasn't generally touted by critics.
In the US it grossed $1.2 million. Overseas sales grossed $7.9 million.
I'm certainly not suprised it got the Palm.
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Oops ...Grun did it again.
Its the same old s..........tory, move along.
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The left should be embarassed about the whole moore and hollywood thing but...
they aren't. Go figure. All the ones clapping for 20 miutes like mindless monkeys have no idea if even one statement in the movie is a fact. they will of course be very defensive when it becomes obvious they were duped.
lazs
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Originally posted by Toad
Elephant, the last Palme D'Or from the US is a fictional account of a school shooting in a fictional American high school.
And so ?
Each film need a story.
It didn't get recognized at the Oscar's and wasn't generally touted by critics.[/B]
Who care ?
Different jury different opinion and different critic ...
In the US it grossed $1.2 million. Overseas sales grossed $7.9 million.[/B]
The old quality vs quantity debate...
You will soon pretend that "Titanic" is a film :p
Sorry if I prefer eating "truffes" ,you can keep your mushroom :)
I'm certainly not suprised it got the Palm. [/B]
You think it was just to despise you ?
I think btw that Denys Arcand film desserved the palme IMO,Elephant was not the best film I've seen.
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Because Moore and Hollywood epitomizes everyone on the "left".
The "left" being anyone with the audacity to not goosestep in their brown shirts for the bush administration. Anti-American Bstards!!!
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Let's see, it was a ficitional account based on Columbine. It was generally ignored by both the critics and the paying public. It received no recognition in the US-based Oscars.
Yet it gets the Palme.
Yes, I'm thinking it was more politics than performance.
Sort of like this comment from CNN:
While "Fahrenheit 9/11" was well-received by Cannes audiences, many critics felt it was inferior to Moore's Academy Award-winning documentary "Bowling for Columbine," which earned him a special prize at Cannes in 2002. Some critics had speculated that if "Fahrenheit 9/11" won the top prize, it would be more for the film's politics than its cinematic value.
In fact, just like BFC got the "Special Jury Prize" at Cannes. There's no way that film can be stretched to be considered a "good documentary"; as a documentary, it was a joke. But it got a 13 minute standing ovation at Canne and a "special prize".
Politics, not cinematic excellence.
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sliced Springbok please :)
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steil... I am not for big government of any kind but... to think that moore is not lieing or that he doesn't have an agenda that he will do or say anything to promote.... well... that is simply naive or... in the case of the lefty monkees clapping... naive tainted with wishful thinking. Who is doing the goosestepping? No movies I am gossestepping to.
lazs
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Moore makes a strong case that Bowling for Columbine was entirely based in fact. I havent seen the movie but I know the attacks on him are politically based and I suspect are disinformation. Anyway decide for yourself -links to the evidence are included.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/
I havent seen Farenheit either, but I heard it was basically saying that Bush* started the Iraqi war to cover his collaboration with the Saudis.
I fail to see how that is anti-american. Free speech and all is supposed to be one of the things that make our country great, isnt it?
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Laz! For shame! Michael Moore will do anything to promote himself?
Say it ain't so!!!!!!!!
Michael Moore admits Disney 'ban' was a stunt (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3565069&thesection=news&thesubsection=world)
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I have seen BFC. "Based in fact" is a hilariously inaccurate comment when used in reference to this movie.
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Originally posted by Toad
I have seen BFC. "Based in fact" is a hilariously inaccurate comment when used in reference to this movie.
Im nuetral on Moore, I think he is funny but the left doesnt need a Limbaugh and if he is a liar that doesnt hold water with me. I have seen the claims - about the gun offered in the bank, the HEston speech after columbine - and these things are very well refuted by Moore at the link I posted, with suporting evidence.
as Ripley would say "Believe it or not!"
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"Not", then.
Here, read the what the lady at the bank said:
She says that Moore's signing papers in the film was just for show. His immediately walking out of the bank with a long-gun was allowed because "this whole thing was set up two months prior to the filming of the movie" when he had already complied with all the rules, including a background check.
Now, who do you want to believe?
I'm sure you'll go with Moore.
I'm going with the banker. Want to know why?
Because in the not too distant past, I was a licensed gun dealer. Further, I participated in "guns for bank deposits" deals a few times. Both as the depositor that had to get his gun from the licensed dealer to whom the bank sent the gun after the deposit was made and as the licensed dealer acting as the intermediary between a bank and its depositor. In either case, this procedure is one of a week or more, not an hour or two.
So, my personal experience in this area leads me to think Moore's a liar. It's possible that he might have found a bank that is willfully violating the US firearms laws. Anything is possible. However, I'm willing to bet that BATF was all over that bank after this film, just checking it out. Sure didn't hear of any punitive action against the bank; did you?
Moore a liar? See the link on the "Disney scam" above. Oh.. wait.. that's expected of him. Sorry.
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BFC was "based on fact"?? that is like saying that genocide is ok because it is "based on fact"... you can allways find a base... the fact is that... allmost everything in the movie was dishonest. It is much more accurate to say that everything in the movie was based on an agenda and that lieing and missrepresentation was the key ingredient...
loved when he proved that white guys were perfectly safe walking around in south central L.A. by taking his entire crew on a stroll down the street in broad daylight... or... the way he read the plaque on the B29... either he can't read or he is flat out lying.. what he read was not at all what the plaque said.
toad has a link that takes the "documentary" apart piece by piece.
why should I expect any different from the new "film"?
guess this was gonna be the democrats "october surprise" this election eh?
lazs
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"guns for bank deposits" deals actually happened?! Guess that beats a toaster.
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Oh and Cheeze in tube, hmmmmm :)
LOL
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Yep... you can get a weatherby in lieu of interest for CD's at some banks ... If you want one it is a fairly good deal.
getting a weatherby won't make you a bank robber tho nor will a lot of bank robbers get a CD in order to get a hunting rifle regestered to them.
In all my searches I can find no instance of anyone robbing a bank with a weatherby... I did find lots of instances of people robbing banks with knives and...
far more banks pass out knife sets than they do weatherby's
it would seem that the bank was playing the odds in a smart manner.... give out knives... get robbed... give out weatherbys... get customers.
lazs
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Originally posted by beet1e
Gunslinger posted from the "France Surrenders Forever" thread, so I'm going to do the same.
Ah yes, French bashing - a very popular pastime on this board in months/years gone by. And the French are just expected to lie down and take it.
But oh! if anyone dares to say anything bad about America, woe betide them! Erm... free speech, anybody?
It cracks me up to see America getting so bent out of shape about an "anti-American" film having won an award - in France of all places. Muhahahaha! :rofl
Think of this as the price payable for all that French bashing you guys did. I am in a state of euphoria over this entire deal! :lol
Balance, my boys, balance. ;)
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Beetle you need to roll down those knee high socks and get some sun on those pasty white british leggs of yours ;)
I cant resist.....I know the US is not perfect. And unlike some I dont expect special treatment from the world just because we have been the worlds 911 force for almost the last 50 years. The french deserve my respect because with out them Americans might be having teatime instead of happy hour. Fact of the matter is they are easy targets to poke fun at (just like americans) and when I see the opertunity....I poke.
Its no different than making fun of brits for lack of sun light even though the last time I was there they had the worst shreckin heat wave I'd ever been through. :aok
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Originally posted by Toad
"Not", then.
Here, read the what the lady at the bank said:
Now, who do you want to believe?
I'm sure you'll go with Moore.
I'm going with the banker. Want to know why?
Because in the not too distant past, I was a licensed gun dealer. Further, I participated in "guns for bank deposits" deals a few times. Both as the depositor that had to get his gun from the licensed dealer to whom the bank sent the gun after the deposit was made and as the licensed dealer acting as the intermediary between a bank and its depositor. In either case, this procedure is one of a week or more, not an hour or two.
So, my personal experience in this area leads me to think Moore's a liar. It's possible that he might have found a bank that is willfully violating the US firearms laws. Anything is possible. However, I'm willing to bet that BATF was all over that bank after this film, just checking it out. Sure didn't hear of any punitive action against the bank; did you?
Moore a liar? See the link on the "Disney scam" above. Oh.. wait.. that's expected of him. Sorry.
iirc he says that he called ahead to see how it worked. Also he claimed that the bank WAS a licensed firerm dealer and they had many of the rifles stored at the bank. And the Disney thing - didnt he admit that he knew this was going to be a problem? is that what you mean? But Im not going to defend Moore. Like I said, as far as Im concerned the jury is still out on him
you participated in the guns for accounts deal - how does the bank make money on that? do you agree to a different interest rate or something?
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If anybody has doubts about personal bravery of French people, read "Street Without Joy" or "Hell in a Very Small Place".
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Originally posted by lazs2
guess this was gonna be the democrats "october surprise" this election eh?
lazs
I havent seen BFC, Ive only seen the website of Toads and the response by Moore.
I can't tell you about the October Suprise - but I will give you a hint - oh I just cant keepa secret -
Oprah for President!! Oprah for President!!!
and Hillary joins the ticket as VP, to institute free forced health care, outlaw christianity and removes all reference to "God" in the country, mandatory abortions, gay marriage, increased taxes for everybody and a constitutional amendment that rescinds the second amendment!
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Moore's whole schtick is dramatizing his collection of gotcha questions. His productions have one theme: The World According To Moore. He epitomizes the accusation that many critics thrive on getting close to power without being responsible for it.
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Here is some stuff at the link I posted
The ad from the bank
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/images/ad_bankgun.jpg
here is the transcript he posted from the movie:
Transcript of Bowling For Columbine:
MOORE NARRATION: I had spotted an ad in the local Michigan paper that said if you opened an account at North Country Bank, the bank would give you a gun.
TELLER 2: You do a CD and we'll hand you a gun. We have a whole brochure here that you can look at.
MOORE: Mmm-hmm. All right.
TELLER 2: Once we do the background check and everything.
MOORE: Right, right.
TELLER 2: It's yours to go.
MOORE: Ok. Um, all right. Well that, um, that's the account I'd like to open.
TELLER 2: We have a vault which at all times we keep at least five hundred fire arms.
MOORE: Five hundred of these you have in your vault?
TELLER 2: In our vault.
MOORE: Wow.
TELLER 2: We have to do a background check.
MOORE: At the bank here or - ?
TELLER 2: At the bank. Which we are a licensed fire arm dealer
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Here is Moore's account - how does it jibe with the Teller's?
When you see me going in to the bank and walking out with my new gun in "Bowling for Columbine" – that is exactly as it happened. Nothing was done out of the ordinary other than to phone ahead and ask permission to let me bring a camera in to film me opening up my account. I walked into that bank in northern Michigan for the first time ever on that day in June 2001, and, with cameras rolling, gave the bank teller $1,000 – and opened up a 20-year CD account. After you see me filling out the required federal forms ("How do you spell Caucasian?") – which I am filling out here for the first time – the bank manager faxed it to the bank's main office for them to do the background check. The bank is a licensed federal arms dealer and thus can have guns on the premises and do the instant background checks (the ATF's Federal Firearms database—which includes all federally approved gun dealers—lists North Country Bank with Federal Firearms License #4-38-153-01-5C-39922).
Within 10 minutes, the "OK" came through from the firearms background check agency and, 5 minutes later, just as you see it in the film, they handed me a Weatherby Mark V Magnum rifle (If you'd like to see the outtakes, click here).
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What's the problem? He got a background check and received a gun. Commentary on America's "gun culture". When opening a bank account results in your receiving a firearm I would say that guns are a definate part of that culture. As long as the background check is made, sounds like a good deal, unless it's a crappy gun.
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Originally posted by stiehl
What's the problem? He got a background check and received a gun. Commentary on America's "gun culture". When opening a bank account results in your receiving a firearm I would say that guns are a definate part of that culture. As long as the background check is made, sounds like a good deal, unless it's a crappy gun.
its an awesome deal. I would do it
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Easy one first. Guns for Long Term Deposit.
It's just giving you a gun in lieu of interest money. You take out a CD for a certain amount/time that gives you the gun you want. (Usually varying denominations available that equate to a particular gun. For example, an 5 year $5000 deposit gets you a less expensive gun than a 5 year $10,000 deposit.) The bank holds the money but you get to use the gun because it's given to you "up front" after all required paperwork, waiting periods, background checks, etc. have been satified. It usually works out to about the same interest rate you'd get on a regular CD. Perhaps a tiny bit better because you're getting the "money" "up front".
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As to Moore..... Either way, he's just full of it.
If it's as the Bank Lady described it, he's full of pure BS.
If it's a Moore describes it, it's just slight of hand BS.
Look, if the Bank WAS a licensed dealer....... then it "sells guns". That's what dealers and gun stores DO.
So, if he "paid" for the gun by buyng the required CD and he met and complied with all the required paperwork, waiting periods, background checks, etc. restrictions then....
All he really did was "buy" a gun from a "licensed dealer" after complying with Federal BATF regulations. Nothing a bit illegal, shady or dispicable in that. It's just a legitimate dealer that happens to be located in a bank.
He bought a gun from a "gun store" if his version is true. Yet it certainly isn't presented that way, now is it?
Oh no... it's not presented that way at all. It is, in fact presented as buying a gun and getting immediate delivery from a bank.
Many of his attackers have gone to the bank and gotten that side of the story. Seen any of his defenders go to the BATF and check to see if the bank held a dealer's license? Public information, easy to get if you call BATF.... yet no confirmation. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Before you ask: A list of federally licensed gun dealers in your county can be obtained by contacting the nearest BATF office and requesting the list from the Public Information Officer.
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As for the Disney incident, read the link. He made it all up as a publicity stunt. He manufactured the entire thing out of think air...... just like he does with lots of stuff in his movies.
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the ATF's Federal Firearms database—which includes all federally approved gun dealers—lists North Country Bank with Federal Firearms License #4-38-153-01-5C-39922
there it is. can we look it up online?
I agree bank/gun dealer - he just bought a gun. I think the point was how guns have pervaded our culture.
Also - did you see the ad from the bank?
and the CDs - yeah I figured that out. And it is a good deal.
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Yeah, I saw the ad. I "bought" a Weatherby from the Bank of Boulder from a similar ad. Boulder was the first Bank to do it, as I recall.
Hey! I bet that has something to do with the Jon Benet Case!!!!!! Not.
Having seen the film, I don't think that's the point he was making.
Yes, he uses it to show guns have pervaded our culture; they have. Who would argue they haven't?
The impression I got from viewing this scene in the context of the the film was the he was trying to show how easy it is for ANYONE to get a gun, IE: no real controls on purchasing.
His use of this example to show that is BS.
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Originally posted by Toad
Yeah, I saw the ad. I "bought" a Weatherby from the Bank of Boulder from a similar ad. Boulder was the first Bank to do it, as I recall.
Hey! I bet that has something to do with the Jon Benet Case!!!!!! Not.
Having seen the film, I don't think that's the point he was making.
Yes, he uses it to show guns have pervaded our culture; they have. Who would argue they haven't?
The impression I got from viewing this scene in the context of the the film was the he was trying to show how easy it is for ANYONE to get a gun, IE: no real controls on purchasing.
His use of this example to show that is BS.
if that were the case Id have to agree. THere is also a kind of irony to getting a gun at a bank.
Im going to have to watch BFC now.