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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Grits on May 22, 2004, 11:47:33 PM
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This set bites, lets change it early.
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cu in beta
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i second that grits this setup sucks
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Originally posted by Eagler
cu in beta
Yeah, I have been finding myself more and more in the beta arena, there were 60+ in there just now at 12:10 AM, huge furball. Its very close.
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And it "sucks" because why again? :D
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cuz all jap setups suck
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Make the CT ETO only and be done with it. I know Im about done with it.
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maybe its the flying distances btwn fights
maybe it the floating ack barges
maybe its the ack huggers once you fly 30 miles to fight unless its 3 to 1 in their favor
maybe its the japs never really had an airforce as compared to the germans, and its tiring to see >85% of it being niks
maybe i suffer from aquaphobia/hydraphobia - all that water, so little land :)
maybe its cause im a dweeb but ill take an eto over a pto any week :)
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Originally posted by Arlo
And it "sucks" because why again? :D
One word:
ACK [/COLOR]
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AKINAWA
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Originally posted by Eagler
maybe its the flying distances btwn fights
(but capture one base on the IJ mainland and you'll see Peggies and GVs to beat the band ... all suiciding themselves in a complete frenzy to get it back - and they will. You'll also get to see buttloads of Niks rushing over to make a couple of vulch passes before augering or getting shot down by the FM2s that just got stationed there.)
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maybe it the floating ack barges
(Is it an issue of the large fleet versus the "standard" sized one? Or is it something about ships altogether? Pac sets will generally have ships ... unless some severe rationalization is involved. The way ack works in AH is universal. The setting, however, isn't. I'm all for turning ack completely off, if need be - and if it could be done. After all, I've seen as much complaining about framerate loss as anything, maybe more. The manables are fine enough. To make up for the Otto crew dying of mass food poisoning, up the fleet hardness to double MA norm.)
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maybe its the ack huggers once you fly 30 miles to fight unless its 3 to 1 in their favor
(Heh ... once IJ planes fly 30 miles anywhere they're at 25K+. Ninety-nine percent of the time that'll mean they have plenty of alt over their opponents .. well unless all the fleets were sunk again and you have the rare Antarctic bluebird flying north for the summer. Ninety-nine percent of the time, they're Georges. YOU watch 6 to 8 Georges - or hell - 6-8 anything come in at you with 10k alt or more over you and see if YOU don't start double checking for possible safe refuge. Even the rare solo - but actually well flown - high alt IJ plane ... any brand .... can make all below rethink their options. ;))
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maybe its the japs never really had an airforce as compared to the germans, and its tiring to see >85% of it being niks
(The Niks are there to keep the awesome and deadly F4U at bay. I'm all for it. Ninety percent of the Nik drivers try to fly it like a Zeke .... even when they're facing F6Fs and FM2s. And it seems some A6M5 drivers like to think they're flying at a severe disadvantage even when it's a 1v1 turnfight. That's irony for ya. Seems some of the smartest and best IJ pilots are the dedicated Tony drivers.)
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maybe i suffer from aquaphobia/hydraphobia - all that water, so little land :)
(Sounds like a personal problem. :))
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maybe its cause im a dweeb but ill take an eto over a pto any week :)
(Then you'll love the good news about the priority given ETO over PTO in the upcoming TOD. :D)
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On a personal note.
I see all the extreme gnashing of teeth going on here. I, myself, have supported each and everyone's personal pet favorites here and I'm sure it's no secret what my own preference is. I have, however, had fun practically every night I've ever flown in the CT. Might I pass on my secret?
1: See everything as a challenge. The greater the challenge, the greater the thrill potential when you overcome it ... even accidently.
2: ALLOW yourself to immerse. I don't care if it takes an hour of meditation before logging on to convince yourself that the setup actually could have possibly happened and probably even did in an alternate mirror universe where Kirk was evil yet evil Spock was still painfully logical. If that doesn't work ... go fly the pizza. You'll probably be ready for whatever's running in the CT within less than an hour.
3: ACCEPT that there really is no way to balance a setup without it involving the exact same planes on both/all sides and a pizza style map.
4: Fly at least one night (or even hour) on the other side to actually gain a complete perspective. Warning: this can become addictive and your friends that stay "dedicated to their cause" may brand you a "traitor" if they see you do it more than once. Oh .... staff should be required to fly both sides of their setups extensively the first time it runs and perhaps each time they change it's layout.
5: As my old buddy Grits would say .. "Screw balance ... just fly." When them same old feelings creep in and suddenly you start to feel miserable instead of having fun (and I think we all'd like to think that we're here for the latter and not the former) - then take a short break and reassess the situation ... even if it takes logging off to do it.
6: If all else fails .... laugh at everyone else beeching and moaning and suddenly you may become sincere about it. Sometimes laughing first will reveal how funny the situation really is and put things back to a somewhat reasonable perspective. Then have fun whether you kill her or she kills you. :D
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Originally posted by DJ111
AKINAWA
HELLIAWA
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There is only one solution to all this..............BEER!:D
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I Agree with Rafe35 and Grits, along with TK... I would kill for a ETO over a crappy dud-like PTO ANY week of the year, and every year, PTO's are just not interesting. Just end this week early and get back into ETO's. like Battle of Bastogne for instiace? or something with the LW vs VVS. that could do it as well, on the kurlan map, or some other winter map, i dunnnno, just something that is ETO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm sorry Corsairs never worked out for you, Acepappy. I see the transformation is complete. It kinda saddens me.
Anyhoo. Here's to you finding happiness somehow. :D
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Ok, more seriously......the puffy-popcorn ack on this map is friggin' absurd. Last night for me was the most frustrated I have ever been flying a CT setup....I would go from steady 100 FR to watching a slide show as soon as the puffy ack started.:mad:
Before anyone says it...after having the problem, and chatting with folks, I exited out, cleaned out an ad-ware crap, and ran enditall2, sound accel at 3/4, and I still had the same probs.
I say turn off the puffy ack (doable?) and leave the manned ack. If that doesn't work, then remove the map.
If I get the same results tonight as I did last night, then I too will be spending most of my time this week flying AH2, which will suck, because it has been awhile since I have had the chance to fly a full week in a Pac setup.
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This post is demonstrating pretty poor form on the part of some. My reason for this statement is that we have members of the CT community that are in naval squadrons and prefer to play with the blue planes. These members of our community seldomly see their preferred rides featured in set ups. When they are featured they are severely hamstrung by nebulous reasoning under the guise of "balance". I hate this farging setup but I am there specifically to support the VF and VMF guys for their week, I'm seldom in an N1K2. They provide capable and willing opposition for ETO setups, we are now obligated to reciprocate. And we need to reciprocate with a vengeance. watch out lil blue plane pstudmuffins I'm coming to getcha.
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Originally posted by AcePappy
I Agree with Rafe35 and Grits, along with TK... I would kill for a ETO over a crappy dud-like PTO ANY week of the year, and every year, PTO's are just not interesting. Just end this week early and get back into ETO's. like Battle of Bastogne for instiace? or something with the LW vs VVS. that could do it as well, on the kurlan map, or some other winter map, i dunnnno, just something that is ETO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, kill PTO's for good...that's the answer....ETO all the time, every time...:rolleyes:
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i say no more PTO's until we get a more complete japanese plane setup from HTC.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by storch
This post is demonstrating pretty poor form on the part of some. My reason for this statement is that we have members of the CT community that are in naval squadrons and prefer to play with the blue planes. These members of our community seldomly see their preferred rides featured in set ups. When they are featured they are severely hamstrung by nebulous reasoning under the guise of "balance". I hate this farging setup but I am there specifically to support the VF and VMF guys for their week, I'm seldom in an N1K2. They provide capable and willing opposition for ETO setups, we are now obligated to reciprocate. And we need to reciprocate with a vengeance. watch out lil blue plane pstudmuffins I'm coming to getcha.
Storch! Thank you. Seriously.
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Storch! Thank you. Seriously.
Ditto
i say no more PTO's until we get a more complete japanese plane setup from HTC
I say no more SKull until he learns to fight.
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Guys lets try this first. CV Positions (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117684)
What this means is that A18 is now vulnerable to the vulching N1K2Js and Ki-67s. This is thier only target now that the fleets are out of the front lines (as requested by the axis players). This also means that the allies are now going to be defending A18 instead of attacking Okinawa which is not what the "theme" is all about. Lets see what happenes.
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Let it ride. Late PTO isnt one of my favorites, but like Storch said we got a lot of fans of Naval and Marine aviation. They are one of the biggest groups of CT regulars, and are the least represented when it comes to setups.
Like Arlo said try and immerse yourself if possible. This was a critical battle of WWII , and is about as well represented as can be done with the tools available to the CT staff.
Hawk release the fleets . Whatever point your trying to make should not be made by denying the Allied players the ability to move their fleets. Your one my best buds, but I think what your doing is lame.
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Tired of axis crying about ack. Now they dont have to worry about it. I will probably take a long vacation after this week anyway.
Lowe, dont look for the obvious in what I am doing, there is a valid point behind it.
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I didnt say get rid of it, I voiced my opinion
I'm still in there when I tire of AH2, just wierd to see more ppl in beta than CT- happened last week too.
looking forward to the day CT has the AH2 engine- crummy part of AH2 for me is to go up against non-historical planes
what about if you make the fleets harder to sink but lower the ack to almost nothing
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Originally posted by Löwe
Let it ride. Late PTO isnt one of my favorites, but like Storch said we got a lot of fans of Naval and Marine aviation. They are one of the biggest groups of CT regulars, and are the least represented when it comes to setups.
Like Arlo said try and immerse yourself if possible. This was a critical battle of WWII , and is about as well represented as can be done with the tools available to the CT staff.
Agreed.
- oldman
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what about if you make the fleets harder to sink but lower the ack to almost nothing
I thought about that also, but figured it would then be too easy for the "Brown Water Admirals" to drive the fleets right up to the shore and plaster the bases with ease.
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
I thought about that also, but figured it would then be too easy for the "Brown Water Admirals" to drive the fleets right up to the shore and plaster the bases with ease.
To the best of my knaoulige, we are supose to park the distroyers, or whatever has the LVTs, close enough to "plaster" and spawn for an attack. Cant do it if the fleets are two grids away :rolleyes: Is this Operation Iceberg or not?
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Lowe, dont look for the obvious in what I am doing, there is a valid point behind it.
I know bud , but it's not anybodys job to balance the arena but maybe the CM's. Plus what point can you make? Both sides HO, Vulch, Gangbang, Milkrun, Ackhug, Insult,Piss, and Moan , evenly. One side accusing the other of doing anything, is basically the pot calling the kettle black. Free em up if some guy wants to be a beach admiral.......... He payed his 15.
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What Storch said!!
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OKay, everyone seems to have vented.
Gonna address one thing then shut up:
I don't know what was meant by the "it's not anybodys job to balance the arena but maybe the CM's" remark, but if anyone thinks it is the job of the CT Staff to make players play a certain way, they are dead wrong.
We are players ourselves, subject to the same frustrations everyone else is. We don't get free accounts, we don't get special planes, etc.
Each and every setup that has been run in the arena to date, from the very beginning, has drawn negative comments from one player or another. No CT staffer has ever ran a perfect setup, where no one had a single complaint. That's just life. We cannot please everyone all the time, and it is pointless to think that we can. There are those who only like ETO setups, there are those who prefer PTO setups........we try to spread stuff around as much as possible to accomodate each side.
Balancing the setups is not always a simple thing. HTC has modelled a lot of planes, but inevitable in each setup someone chimes in with "Why not (insert a plane)" and the endless debate circle starts again. We have a lot of planes to use, but there are STILL gaps in certain areas that we have to try and address as best we can. We seem to always use the N1K2J in setups with later war Allied rides cause it is the latest model Japanese fighter in the AH stable, and it is therefore used as a stopgap substitute for the Ki-84. What else are we supposed to do? We strive to please, we look at setups that draw larger attendance, we critique our setups to see if we can make them better for everyone.
Bottom line, from my perspective as a player, is this: It is up to the players to balance the arena, not the CT Staff. Special Events staff tell you what side to fly, not us. We try our best to keep the planesets balanced, but what players do with them is up to the players, not the staff. If you see one side outnumbered 3 or 4 to 1 on the roster, don't blame the staff; side balancing is up to players and players alone.
Now, switching roles from player to staff member:
Guys, tell us what we can do to make setups more enjoyable for everyone.
Email me or another staff member with suggestions.
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I know that i am a young pup in this game, however it seems to me by everything that i have read over the last couple of month's is this (Mind you this is my opinion of what i read and hear). You peolple can not be satisfied with anything that is given you. First you want the PTO and two days later you want it gone and replaced with an ETO which you were just saying that you had seen enough of spit this spit that. Everyone here normally has a valid point pertaining to the CT about something and i will agree that not having the right historical plane set is frustrating. Now i know i may not be making any sense but i do know this whether it be a PTO or ETO i am going to fly. I know i suck and that you guys kill me left and right but i love this game and i am going to keep getting back up into that cockpit no matter what setup it is.
I guess what i'm trying to say in a round about way is this Enjoy what you have.:aok
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well I moved the fleets away from the action and things went very well. No complaints about ack. What I did see, hoever, is this turned into a typical furball between two bases. No different than the ETO set-ups. At the same time, the IJ wasnt able to vulch as much so both sides were able to get some altitude. Again leading to the typical DA type furballing. This se-up was to represent Operation Iceberg, the attack of Okinawa. This could not happen without the use of the Fleets. Yes, they must be beached in order to get the LVTs and to lvl the base for invasion.
This is just a furball arena, no more no less.
I have no use for it nor am I interested in it any more. I will try to fly the rest of this week and enjoy flying the F4U that seldom is seen in here. Wish I could fly the C-hog and F4F-4 but it wont ever happen. Soulyss' post about this map proves the the F4U-1D is all we will ever get. And along with it will always be the Tank Zeros that wont explode or the never ending line of N1K2Js.
I live for the PTOs but this left a bad tast (get sexual u perverts, go ahead) in my mouth.
Guys, storch shane, lowe all of you. I enjoy dogfighting but its time I take a break for a while. Withn this I am also resigning as CO of the 312th. IM not leaving AH, just taking a vacation.
Thanks!
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Originally posted by Slash27
i say no more PTO's until we get a more complete japanese plane setup from HTC
I say no more SKull until he learns to fight.
well you get kinda tired after fighting against a nik horde that is orbiting the earth above you.
And the nik is the only plane that is ever really flown by the axis in this setup anyway.
Second wind is better by a long shot.
Jet's are better than niks
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Originally posted by eddiek
Guys, tell us what we can do to make setups more enjoyable for everyone.
Eddiek , you can't do anything. You guys have done the best you can with what you got to work with.
Guys whine if you fly an N1k2 , guys whine if you have alt, guys whine if you fly over your own ack, guys whine if the fleet ack gets em........................... ....... The setup is fine......................... ....
I see Japanese players not grabbing alt then complaining because the Allies are B&Zin em. I see lone Allied players dive into a group of Japanese planes , then whine about being gangbanged.
It's Whinebirds It's still better that a post WWII setup.
Hawk you cant make people play the way YOU want them too. If you could I'd have the P-47 drivers stall fighting my zeke.:D
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Personally - I am not a big fan of the late war PTO set-ups. I like the early war stuff before mid 43.
But coming from having been the CO of two carrier based naval squads I do like to see the carriers brought out every now and then.
As for getting rid of all PTO scenario's - well that is just STUPID for lack of a better word. The guys that belong to the Naval & Marine Squads pay their $15 just like the rest of us and have all the same rights and privleges. They deserve to get the set-ups they like to fly just like we do. THAT IS ONLY FAIR.
Unfortunately HTC has left the Japanese plane not fully developed so the PTO set-ups kind of suffer compaired to the ETO set-ups. We can hope things will improve with AH2. Till then I don't think it will kill us very bad to fly the PTO's. Look at it like a challenge - it might sharpen your skills a little.
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Originally posted by memnon
You peolple can not be satisfied with anything that is given you.
Couldn't have said it better myself...
Okay.. now on to important matters.. someone was saying something about beer?
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When I ran this map with the second wind setup in it I tried a few things very early with the fleet hardness settings. I went from one extreme to the other and several in between.
The end result of it was if you dropped it any lower than what we have now the ships were constantly being sunk by some great Japanese player Kamikaze in a group of bombers with torps and then you never had decent fight locations. On the other hand if you moved it much higher you had some USN Bull Halsey wannabe who would drive the damn CV group right on the beach and shoot AAA locations with the machine guns on the destroyers.
The middle ground is what seems to work best and it is what appears to be in the setup.
I can honestly say that I appreciate what Storch and the other Luftwabbles have said in this thread. If I had the free time I would be in there now instead of typing this note.
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P6eHawk, First I've probably got too much Scotch running through my blood that I should not even post, but what the heck, I'll regret it tomorrow. I only say this because I mean no insult nor offence.
I'm not sure that I understand your agenda here. In 2 threads you seem to say that this IS NOT Operation Iceberg, and this is being done all wrong. Things should be done this way and that. You have the ranking and you have taken control of the allied fleets to be more in tuned with the actual "historical" battle plan.
OK, that's all fine but I'm sure that you realize that there is no way in reality that a full weeks set up in the CT will play out as the historical battle plan did. On Tuesday or Thursday when the bulk of the squad activity is present-maybe. So put out a post, organize missions, get ahold of a CT staffer to do a reset, whatever. Try to get a "mini scenario" going on the normal squad nights.
But, real life (historical) there was only so many soldiers on either side, only so much of certain equipment, and history tells us what happened. There was no "balance", "choice", or any of the BS that most of us whine about.
This is a GAME that is supposed to give us entertainment with a historical reference-That's as close as its going to get. There are other whines about too many niks-well this being a game and if you are given a choice-most people will choose to their advantage, it doesn't matter WHAT side you fly.
There is NO WAY this (or any set up) is going to turn out the way YOU want it to. People log on-they log off, numbers for any side will be skewed at any part of the day, this is not an actual battle nor was it intended to be-it is as good as it is going to get-and it will reset when it gets WAY out of whack so we can start all over again.
If I am completely missing the point than I am sorry, but don't use this week's set up and your apparent frustration as an excuse to give up command of a squad and quit (or take a "vacation"). Your a better man than that, I know that for a fact. If you want to do it than just do it, but the setup's are what they are and the Staffers do the best they can, to please the most they can, with what they have at their disposal.
We have WAY too many "arm chair quarterbacks" out there, most of the constructive criticisum(sp-?) turns into a completely senseless "whine" thread within a few posts.
Well, I better quit before I tick off everybody. (OOPS! too late)
(*puts on flame proof suit-and starts to look over shoulder for things being thrown in my direction*) :D
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Free em up if some guy wants to be a beach admiral...
Thats almost as bad as Hawk not letting people have them at all. Nothing against what you said Lowe, but its apparent these Brownwater types are a huge problem. And I know of no way of fixing it.
I would kill for a ETO over a crappy dud-like PTO ANY week of the year, and every year, PTO's are just not interesting. Just end this week early and get back into ETO's. like Battle of Bastogne for instiace? or something with the LW vs VVS. that could do it as well, on the kurlan map, or some other winter map, i dunnnno, just something that is ETO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe you're a crappy dud that cant hack it? Or you could be right. We should poll our little CT population a see if PAC should be removed all together.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Free em up if some guy wants to be a beach admiral...
Thats almost as bad as Hawk not letting people have them at all. Nothing against what you said Lowe, but its apparent these Brownwater types are a huge problem. And I know of no way of fixing it.
Very true Slash . The only problem is the Allied guys need the fleet near the Japanese bases to float their LTVs. So keeping them away from the beaches , and then complaining because nobody is invading Okinawa...........That is like farting in your car leaving the windows rolled up, and complaining of the smell.:)
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I had a blast last night blowing up the 312th as they made repeated attempts to capture A20.
If you guys want to capture bases 4 guys is enough, but you have to have skills in Jabo. Clearly you guys need to practice that. This is not a flame. There is no way one guy would have held back JG3 from a base capture, even if we went in with only 4 guys.
1. take out VH
2. De- ack
3. Cap
4 Capture
The ack nests will go down if u place a 1000lber right in the middle of the 3, this also takes out manned ack. the lead drops the bombs the wing strafes any soft targets left. keep your speed up. zoom, loop hit the next one. The other element hits the VH. 1 1000lber will easily do it. Zoom, loop go find an ack nest for the last egg. now you still have 6 rockets left for the rest of the acks. don't fly over the ack make your passes from the outside, fire 2 rockets bank away and jink. come back for the next one. Again the wing is following up with machine guns. Once lead has expended ord switch and let the wing lead.
1st guy down goes to get troops. Train, train like you fight, fight like you train. Jabo is my favorite aspect of this game. JG3 really had Jabo down too.
Nothing to it.
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We need PTO in the rotation, as often as the Allies have the upper hand with their ubber silly spitties they need to just suck it up and take their beating. :D
Oh and I love it when you park your CV group off a base, makes great PT boat torp practice! :rofl
These last 2 days I jumped into 2 on 1's and 3 on 1's in my ubber niki and only went above 10k once to shoot down an 18k F6F.
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Originally posted by Löwe
Eddiek , you can't do anything. You guys have done the best you can with what you got to work with.
Guys whine if you fly an N1k2 , guys whine if you have alt, guys whine if you fly over your own ack, guys whine if the fleet ack gets em........................... ....... The setup is fine......................... ....
I see Japanese players not grabbing alt then complaining because the Allies are B&Zin em. I see lone Allied players dive into a group of Japanese planes , then whine about being gangbanged.
It's Whinebirds It's still better that a post WWII setup.
Hawk you cant make people play the way YOU want them too. If you could I'd have the P-47 drivers stall fighting my zeke.:D
Amen brother. :D
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Yup.
P.S. Appreciate the support Storch, its nice to see a player who can think of others.
...to the rest, its kind of sad to see folks dismiss a setup because its not ETO, or they try it for all of 10 min and decide it sucks. Its a setup with no Spits afterall, but there is no pleasing some.
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I started this thread, so its my fault. Upon further reflection, I was being a craybaby and I am going to follow my own advice and just "shut up and fly". You will hear no further whines comming from me.
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Ya you craybaby quit starting girly type threads already. Go get a hog fly it at 200mph and no higher than 200 ft then PM me with your position, do this 25 times today and all will be forgiven.
(after you say your Our Fathers and Hail Marys of course) Kids these day waddaya gonna do?
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First and foremost I have to say to Storch, your attitude of late is commendable.
Although I like this setup and very much enjoy the PTO, I can find no fault in someone stating their opinion of dislike. It is afterall their opinion and find more fault in the person that tries to steer them down a road of "righteousness".
As for controlling the fleets, Hawk pays his $15 just like the brown water admirals and keeps it within the game "rules". So to find fault with him is just plain wrong. If you think it is bad gameplay or unethical, I suggest contacting HTC and seeing that the game itself is changed. I don't support what he did, but I can see what he was trying to do.
Lastly I would like to throw my full support behind this statement by Slash27
"I say no more SKull until he learns to fight."
:)
Vote Bug :aok
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2851 it was like this:
First I was glad to see the PTO come back. If you recall, my squad has yet to fly the F4U in the CT since we started VFM-312...you know, when lowe went back axis...yes, that long ago. Now that it is here, it sucks. Not the map, nor not really the plane set but the people who dont like it and F!@# it up for those of us who do. The PTO is very different from the ETO but us blue plane dweebs like it. You guys can run and B&Z all day long in your 190s and turnfight in your 109Fs but we get yelled at about the F4U, so much that we cant even have the F4U-4. 90% of the time, in the ETO, the axis have the fastest planes. IN the Finrus map, if we arnt getting out turned by the FM2, we are getting B&Zed to death by 109s. The the Isreal map, its not bad but eventualy we get the same from teh SpitXIV. Also in the ETO maps its always a furball mid chanel. You guys even b1tch about the fleet ack in there. When its gone, you pork and vulch at A12. To top it all off, we have to deal with the N1K2J in the PTOs. Sure I understand no one wants to fly zekes vs F4Us but the A6M5 is ubber enough. I have to blow my energy just to get a decent enough shot to kill it. If I miss, which I do a lot, then I am to slow to do anything. Anything else (even good solid snap shots, just causes a fuel leak. The damn thing should blow up. remember, no self sealing fuel tanks. Gas fumes+tracers= big f!@#$ explosion. Also, two pings from the Zeros cannons, and of course the 20mm of the N1K2J AND THE DAMN Ki-67, and we go down quick! SECOND: The Theme was Operation Iceberg but yet we cant do anything because the ships get blown out of the water when we get them close enough to invade. But then we get yelled at for beaching the fleets. We have to in order to level the fields for invasion, THE WHOE F@#$ REASON FOR THE THEME. Anyway, screw the theme now. Lets move on. OK, the next b1tch was the flack. So, with my rank, I pulled the fleets back to allow the axis to fly and enjoy. Now I get yelled at for hording the fleets by, yes you guessd it, the axis players. Funny though, never herd anything complaining last night about fleet ack!!!! Well, the F4U CVs do better when stationed where I had them. We can depart, with cover, and climb to the fight and actually have a place to land without getting vulched.
Anyway....again.....I am tired. The CT is nothing but a furball arena. A glorified Dualing Arena.
Furthermore, Storch, I personally have stoped all of Jg3 by myself, countless number of times, from capturing bases. And then again with squads while I scouted off on my own and killed you sole C-47. Hell, even lowe will back me on that one. We were screwing around last night, nothing serious.
I am very tired of US, INCLUDING MYSELF, acting like children. Its not worth it. I find myself missing out on family things by trying to organize shi1t that no body cares about. YOu guys are worse than a bunch of danm woman. As you can see, its time for me to take a break. No im not leaving, not looking for sympathy etc etc etc. nor am I gonna run off and start another squad. Just gonna take a break. Besides, I fly enough every day, I just dont get to shoot anything, much like this game ;) oh, but I will wait untill friday for the vacation. I will fly the F4U as much as I can, god only knows when it will be back :rolleyes::p
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Hawk,
I was just trying to understand what you were trying to do and say in 2 different threads. I had a good idea and yeah-as usual I should have kept my fingers off of the keyboard last night, most of it was BS that anybody with half a mind knows anyway-but it's posted-can't take it back now.
Look, you did nothing but try and influence gameplay to match the historical event
More people get shot down in the BBS than in any arena on any given day. I still don't know why I log in and read some of the junk in here-cheap entertainment I guess-but more often than not it turns personal.
Really, stay and be CO of your squad, just stay away from the BBS-that would be a vacation itself. I'm going to try and follow my own advice and just check the next weeks setup-other than that-who needs it?
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What's wrong with "a bunch of women"?? :confused: The thought kinda brings tingles to me.
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Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
Sure I understand no one wants to fly zekes vs F4Us but the A6M5 is ubber enough. I have to blow my energy just to get a decent enough shot to kill it. If I miss, which I do a lot, then I am to slow to do anything. Anything else (even good solid snap shots, just causes a fuel leak. The damn thing should blow up. remember, no self sealing fuel tanks. Gas fumes+tracers= big f!@#$ explosion.
A6M5b = automatic fuel tank fire extinguishers. Or so I've read.
Splash1
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Originally posted by storch
Go get a hog fly it at 200mph and no higher than 200 ft then PM me with your position, do this 25 times today and all will be forgiven.
Anybody that has faught me very often should know thats pretty much my SOP in any plane. :)
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2851, I didnt mean to get carried away with that to were it sounds like I am talking about you. At first I was but then got carried away and begain two finger typing without looking at the screen..hehehehe
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Originally posted by TheBug
What's wrong with "a bunch of women"?? :confused: The thought kinda brings tingles to me.
Quit provoking insect proboscis arousal. this is how epidemics are started.
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I will probably take a long vacation after this week anyway.
I got all assed up about something and was sick of the damn CT a few months ago. I was ready to take atleast 3 months off. I was back in a few weeks. Take 3-4 days off Hawk. Its good for everyone.
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I find that I stay in a lot better frame of mind if I dont fly more than two days in a row. I usually take off sunday, monday, and wednesday. If I fly more than two days in a row (like the thrusday-saturday stretch), little things that I should not even give a second thought start of cheeze me off.
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So, CurtissP-6EHawk, you seem to want a setup in which all USN aircraft (excepting maybe the F4U-4) are enabled and the Japanese only have the A6M5b, Ki-61-KAIc, B5N2 and D3A1, is that correct?
You want to ignore the fact that the Japanese had numbers of Ki-84s available and did use them.
You want the Japanese players to hamper themselves so that there is a historical difference in skill levels as opposed to the approximately even skills the opposition forces in AH have.
In short, you want a Turkey Shoot with willing victims so that you may experience your F4U's tremendous success personally in a simulation and if everybody else doesn't give it to you, then you will throw a tantrum and stomp out.
Nice.
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Heh. Deja Vu all over again, Karnak. Looked like he said it'd be nice to see the C-Hog and -4 in a setup occasionally based on the fact that the N1K is in every late Pac set. I certainly didn't see the "I want Chogs versus meatball planes without the N1K in the picture so we can have a week long turkey shoot that makes all the IJ players quit the CT within the first hour" thing you always see no matter what's being dis-cussed.
That being said, I've also seen Maggie support additional models for the IJ planeset (not in this thread per say but often enough elsewhere online to avoid ignoring) .... but he, like me, doesn't see it as a valid excuse to not run late Pac sets ... or to continue to "play the balance game" by upping the hardness of this and reducing the hardness of that unless, Budda forbid, some Japanese bases get captured or something. :D
Eh ... just an observation on an old rhetorical line surfacing in the thread.
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I agree with Arlo, I dont see the problem with adding the -1C or the -4, the-1 and -1D are OK, adding the others wont make it any worse than it already is. If the -1C and -4 were deployed at the time the set covers, I say add them.
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Well Hawk... Personally, I am not trying to offend you in ANY way possible. I like you as a friend, and as a former (CO) but, you have gone out of line by calling everyone, including i, "women", that was kind of insulting on your part to all of us who don't like to have to chase someone down and land in their ack and watch them laugh while we get mad. This Setup is ok. I don't much care for PTO Setups, I never have. I think they suck personally, But i do Understand that you "Blue Boy" Squadrons out there, I'm not insulting you guys", like to fly your USN Planes now and then. It is not often that we get to see the USN Squadrons fly their designated aircraft. I respect the fact that you guys have it this time. More Power to you. But.... on another hand, I do "NOT" like the fact that, just because your ranked #1 which means BS too many people due to the fact not all of us care about the ranks in this game, have the right to hord the CV packs to yourself. Yes, we sunk your CV's last night, (That was us in JG 54) who sunk those damn CV's. I don't mind CV's being in the game, they provide a nice target to sink now and then. But you have to look at one thing Hawk. Who likes it when the guy you are chasing down, runs right to his CV ack, knowingly that you will not continue the chase because you know for a fact that the ack will chew you up. I know I have run to ack a few times in my flying sorties, but that is when i am totally out-numbered and at a complete dis-advanage point. The CV groups just have way too much ack on them to be firing at us. It just gets lame seeing a CV with unrealistic features to it. I respect keeping the history of this setup to it's fullest, well trying to atleast. But the ack just gets old after time and time again m8. Like I said, i could be totally wrong, then yet offensive, but this is just my humply poor ($0.02 Cents) that i am putting in. P.S. This is your setup Hawk, your squad should just be happy that your flying your F4U's, despite the plane set abilities. :)
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Bring the Chog and -4 back. it's criminal not to.
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There is no excuse not to use the Chawg or the Dash4. They were there historically , they should be there for this setup. I know some of you have mentioned that it's unbalances the CT............. Pfft...
There are no dedicated IJ squads in CT. The majority of the IJ pilots are usually Luftwobbles , who spend the week furballin, and trying to just have a good time.
I dont see how the Chawg or Dash4 are going make it a bad experiance.You pretty much have to dodge em, and try to get em to bleed down their speed, just like any other Corsair.
There seems to be plenty of Axis lately, it's not like a couple of
years back when there would be 20+ Allied, and 5 or 6 Axis during a PTO. How can you justify giving the Luftwaffe 262s, Ar234s, and ME-163s, but cant give the USN/USMC/ RN guys their late war rides?:confused:
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Originally posted by Löwe
I dont see how the Chawg or Dash4 are going make it a bad experiance.You pretty much have to dodge em, and try to get em to bleed down their speed, just like any other Corsair.
Yup, in the future just put them in if they fit the time period, you have to dodge them all anyway, dodging a -1C or -4 is no worse than a -1 or -1D.
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Bring back the hawgs
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Did I mention that the Chog and -4 were conspicously absent??
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BEER
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Originally posted by AcePappy
Well Hawk... Personally, I am not trying to offend you in ANY way possible. I like you as a friend, and as a former (CO) but, you have gone out of line by calling everyone, including i, "women", that was kind of insulting on your part to all of us who don't like to have to chase someone down and land in their ack and watch them laugh while we get mad. This Setup is ok. I don't much care for PTO Setups, I never have. I think they suck personally, But i do Understand that you "Blue Boy" Squadrons out there, I'm not insulting you guys", like to fly your USN Planes now and then. It is not often that we get to see the USN Squadrons fly their designated aircraft. I respect the fact that you guys have it this time. More Power to you. But.... on another hand, I do "NOT" like the fact that, just because your ranked #1 which means BS too many people due to the fact not all of us care about the ranks in this game, have the right to hord the CV packs to yourself. Yes, we sunk your CV's last night, (That was us in JG 54) who sunk those damn CV's. I don't mind CV's being in the game, they provide a nice target to sink now and then. But you have to look at one thing Hawk. Who likes it when the guy you are chasing down, runs right to his CV ack, knowingly that you will not continue the chase because you know for a fact that the ack will chew you up. I know I have run to ack a few times in my flying sorties, but that is when i am totally out-numbered and at a complete dis-advanage point. The CV groups just have way too much ack on them to be firing at us. It just gets lame seeing a CV with unrealistic features to it. I respect keeping the history of this setup to it's fullest, well trying to atleast. But the ack just gets old after time and time again m8. Like I said, i could be totally wrong, then yet offensive, but this is just my humply poor ($0.02 Cents) that i am putting in. P.S. This is your setup Hawk, your squad should just be happy that your flying your F4U's, despite the plane set abilities. :)
1. Whats the diff between me calling you guys women and you calling me a boy? They are both insults even when I am kidding ;)
2. Rank is dough. I did it just to take the fleet. This actually benifited both sides. I kept the fleets ack away from you guys(saturday or sunday? night) and kept "OUR" F4U-1D CV out of harms way. I kept all of them from getting sunk by keeping some idiots from beaching all of them for no reason. I had planed on a mission for thursday of the actuall theme but I'm not flying any more. I have done nothing anyone else has already done, I just put myself in the spotlight. Kinda like the news media does to some folks. Gets things blown out of prportion.
3. The rest is basicly what Lowe, Arlo and Grits said in the above posts from them.
oh, and #4. Remember the running stuff when you are in ur 190 and climbing in ur 109s vs the spits? IN the ETO its always the slower spit vs the faster 109 and 190s or even me in the 262 or 163 ;) but we cant even have the Chog or -4. The F4U vs A6M5 alone for a few days would be no different than you guys getting the 262 and 163. There are a lot that will still fly the F4F and F6F. Sure the spit can hold its own as well as the F6F can its own but thast not the point. In normal CT Furball situations the F4U is too much to be slowing down just so the 400mph zeke or corvett N1K2J can get ya. Down right silly to slow down in it. Plus it takes forever to get altitude in it. Even in WWII it was not smart to fly it below 10,000feet. Those who did were down right called stupid! (Not a quote of corse)
Two years ago I came to AH to fly the F4U. When I came in I saw lowe and ended up joining the axis side. After that I came back allied to help form another P-51 squad. When that split up I decided to do what I had always wanted to do to begin with. With all this negativity against the PTO maps, I decided to no longer play Aces High. I played WarBirds for four years and didnt fly the F4U. I waited too late and couldnt play WBsII for the same reason a lot of you guys cant play AHII. I was told AH was not as computer demanding as WBSII so I gave it a try....the rest was just explained. I came here to fly the F4U. The majority of you guys are now anti PTO (as stated in recent posts) plus the Other F4Us will no longer be implamented in the CT as per Souless remarks (but not quoted) in this maps details. Oh yeah, in warbirds I always flew the A6M3 no matter what. I always ended up flyinh against the two best F4U pilots in the game. Thier names were --free-- and --trip--. Frankly, I now fly the Corsair as free did against me...it works!
Enough is enough. My b1tching always just comes back to bite me in the prettythang. At least this time some of my friends actually backed me up a little and I thank them for that. You probably would have backed me up untill you went axis. Thats life :rolleyes:
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Don't worry Hawk, after speaking to Pyro a week ago he stated the Ki-84 and Ki-100 + another medium bomber are his top priority to even out the Japanese set, He-111 and Do-17 for Germany, Pe-2 for Russia + possible bomber for Russia.
With an evened-out PTO including the Ki-84 or 100, I'm sure they'll give any F4U a run for their money and balance out future setups to include more blue birds.
Besides, it's just a @#()$#*%#@# game anyways... :D
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Dont leave Hawk, just take a break. We need all the regular CT squads to stay together, including VMF-312. 312 is just starting to gel, you have a good core of guys to build a squad with, dont leave them now. I have helped some of your guys in the TA because I know both sides have more fun if the fights are better. Take a month off, dont fly AH, dont look at this BBS, nothing. Do fun family oriented stuff and come back later, it will be OK.
As I have said in other threads recently, I have made a decision to stop all seriously meant watermelon talking. Sure I will talk friendly trash to Bug, Storch, Arlo, You and others, but I will no longer make any serious negative comments to or about anyone, or any future planesets. OK, maybe I will still talk trash to O-lag, but thats it.
From now on I am going to keep negative stuff to myself and just shut up and fly.
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The CV groups just have way too much ack on them to be firing at us. It just gets lame seeing a CV with unrealistic features to it.
What do you base this on? WW2 footage looks like Jap attackers were flying into pure hell to get a crack at CVs. Anyway, Im all for turning off the puffy flak. Try it for a while and see if it improves game play. Remember one thing about the CVs too. Its the only thing the Allies have unless they take some ground.
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Originally posted by Slash27
The CV groups just have way too much ack on them to be firing at us. It just gets lame seeing a CV with unrealistic features to it.
What do you base this on? WW2 footage looks like Jap attackers were flying into pure hell to get a crack at CVs. Anyway, Im all for turning off the puffy flak. Try it for a while and see if it improves game play. Remember one thing about the CVs too. Its the only thing the Allies have unless they take some ground.
Its the only thing the Allies have unless they take some ground.
I said that earlier too. They think the fleet ack is bad but so is....wait, the real "Ackinawa". The mainland has awsome ack. You guys only have to worry about the fleet ack. The small island ack aint cheese!
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Just for the record, I think all ack is bad, fleet, land, manned, M16's and Osti-spumanti's, all of it. :D