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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: kamori on May 23, 2004, 10:34:26 AM
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I really like the E6B....What I would suggest is either a Hot key to bring it up or Better Yet the ability to display the information In the same manner as the framerate information. I personally I would like to see the later.
Kalamori
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Good idea!
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Originally posted by kamori
..What I would suggest is either a Hot key to bring it up ...
Kalamori
This already exists. Leave E6B open and whenever you bring up the clipboard it is there.
I don't like the idea of some sort of Heads Up Display you suggest. That is what the cockpit instruments are for.
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Cockpit instruments doesn't give that info.
You don't have to use it if you don't want to.
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I think the E6B should be left as part of the clipboard, making it a heads up display removes the "look down" requirement that historically should be there.
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Historically you had to do quite a bit of math to come up with the AH2 E6B info, I doubt this is about being historically correct.
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well feel free to calc it on your own. If the goal is to balance gameplay with realism, moving more stuff towards a modern HUD is silly.
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Idea of a hotkey for E6B sounds pretty good!
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Originally posted by jodgi
Historically you had to do quite a bit of math to come up with the AH2 E6B info, I doubt this is about being historically correct.
Properly just for testing purposes
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"The E6B "Computer", that's what it was called way back then before Microsoft et al, was basically a circular slide rule with refinements. Among those were scales to convert nautical miles and knots into miles per hour and statute miles. There was also a scale to convert Centigrade to Fahrenheit. The slide rule portion had many uses including calculating distance flown into time elapsed and arriving at ground speed. By factoring in the wind you could calculate your ETA. (Estimated time of arrival).
The reverse of the E6B had a sliding graph that could be used to plot drift. For example if you used the "Double Drift" method you could calculate the wind as follows;
Have the plane turn 45 degrees right and fly this heading for two minutes. (This requires pilot cooperation). Read the drift angle on your driftmeter (another subject) and draw the resultant heading on the isinglass cover of the E6B. Turn 90 degrees left and fly that for two minutes. Draw this heading on the E6B. Turn right 45 degrees, which puts you back on course and take a third reading drawing this on the E6B. You will now have a triangle which will tell you the direction the wind is blowing from and with what force. The great God of Compensating Errors will tell you that this can be used. The isinglass (before plastic) can be erased and used again. Once you have your wind you can recalculate your position and ETA. Don't forget to subtract two minutes from the time run to compensate for the turns off course."
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I vote no to the "HUD"......
Leave it as is, if you want it up just leave it open and bring up the clipboard. You will have an istant view every time...
Hell, make it so that when you bring it up it says
“Calculating.......”
Then a few seconds later the information gets displayed.
I would prefer that players fly with their instruments....
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Leaving it open on the clipboard causes at least for me massive stutter. Clipboard up or not.
Then again I'm on a low end machine.
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Would be happy to leave out completely as a working "computer"..........
Would prefer a look up or table that gave some sort of rudimentary idea of endurance at various settings...............
However some one has gone to the trouble of providing it so leave it as it is.
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Enable it only on multi crew planes with co-pilot or navigator.
A new station on Buff's : Navigator. It would have E6B info and give plots, course headings etc.
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Did I say anything like a HUD in realtionship to the planes cockpit....NO it would display like the Video frame rate(I fly w/that always on)..If i remember correctly The FRAMERATE NEVER EXISTED IN WWII... I could be wrong.
This is a request for the option...You dont have to use it....
:)
Kalamori
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Frame rates are nothing like a hud, frame rates are there for people with salaries as big as their egos to say "Damn my comp is **** hot!" and people with crappy set ups to say "Damn my comp is ****!"
Frame rates don't effect your ability to make tactical actions.
E6B showing powered flight time remaining in a digital format that can be looked at instantly from any view is a HUD that will effect which tactical action you will take.
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Come on ... your arguing semantics here.
The existence of our E6B in and of itself defies realism. From what I have gathered, back in the day, it would require a slide rule to calculate this stuff, yet we have it computed real time right in front of our faces.
The only difference in what kamori wants is the difference in the push of a key, to bring an impaired frontal view because a clipboard is stuck smack dab in the middle of the screen.
How about we make it more real and when viewing the clipboard, our view is forced to look down inside the cockpit and lose our total frontal view.
or ...
How about we only have the E6B available while flying offline. The only use that I can see for it is offline testing. I fail to see any tatical advantage that the E6B gives me.
Somehow the analog gauges that we have, seem to suffice quite nicely for knowing how fast I am going and when I need to go get some more gas.
Do I really need to know that I am going 350.7 mile/hour (.21 mach) and that I have 5.25 minutes left of gas at a particular manifold setting ?
I like Tilt's idea if E6B data is going to be the norm.
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Better Yet the ability to display the information In the same manner as the framerate information. I personally I would like to see the later.
The frame rate display doesn't hog the screen up.
And I'm all for removing it once AH2 goes live
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There's a difference between a digital readout on your screen and reading the gauges, as there is with bringing up the e6b on the clipboard. It requires that you "look". It's more then a simple button click as it takes your attention away from what's around you to view it. As it should be...
The AH2 clipboard is a fine improvement over AH1's.
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What was the reason for not having the E6B?
I didn't quite catch that...
...and don't start with realism.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Come on ... your arguing semantics here.
The existence of our E6B in and of itself defies realism. From what I have gathered, back in the day, it would require a slide rule to calculate this stuff, yet we have it computed real time right in front of our faces.
I disagree,being a "plane jumper" I don't want to learn E6B for each plane I'll have to use.
IRL pilot where trained for one plane not several so the realism is already gone :)
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Originally posted by straffo
I disagree,being a "plane jumper" I don't want to learn E6B for each plane I'll have to use.
IRL pilot where trained for one plane not several so the realism is already gone :)
Do you know the E6B data for each plane that we now have in AH I ? Did you need that information before E6B was introduced in AH II to survive/exist in AH I ?
I would hazard a guess as to your reply .. NO
So why do we need it now ? What is it really giving us that our analog guages don't already tell us ? What is the true value of E6B data ?
I am not proposing to get rid of it, but what the heck is the difference if the data is brought up on a clipboard or is displayed right on the screen ?
"Realism" is not an answer to this question, cause all of this does not fit into the realm of "Realism" in the first place.
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Originally posted by Batz
There's a difference between a digital readout on your screen and reading the gauges, as there is with bringing up the e6b on the clipboard. It requires that you "look". It's more then a simple button click as it takes your attention away from what's around you to view it. As it should be...
The AH2 clipboard is a fine improvement over AH1's.
If thats the case, then we should be forced to look DOWN into the cockpit to view the clipboard and be forced not to see anything out the front windscreen. Now that would take your attention away ... as it should be.
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Gsholz,
Great post....OK being a guy in the USAF that flys for a living I use the hell out of MY E6B! We call it a whiz wheel and has not changed since the early days of aviation except for some of the inner windows that let you calculate certain things and the back has a higher speed scale for todays airspeeds.
With that being said...I can crank numbers out on that thing in seconds! Do it all the time....as far as historically accurate...E6B's are...plain and simple..and they are in use today...GREAT IDEA!
As far as a hud thing...that is personal pref but I use it on the clipboard now and it is fine for me.
Great feature...I like it....
Regards....
:)
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FYI Slapshot being a typhoon and yak dweeb I allways had to monitor closely my fuel :)
Even with full tank fuel is allways critical in those planes I never had the luxury some other player have , my primary concern is fuel , not ammo :(
E6B is a nice tool but I'll trade it for a burn multiplier less silly :)
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There are no plans to move it from the clipboard.
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Originally posted by Pyro
There are no plans to move it from the clipboard.
'Nuff said for me.
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Lets call this what it is.
This thread seeks an advantage by having your digital airspeed displayed in what might as well be a HUD making it available in whatever direction you look, everyone would automatically turn it on as soon as they learn about it. It's too gamey for me and could be used against new players who haven't been told about it so I am oppose.
If it weren't for the hours of testing the E6B saves in checking aircraft endurance for special events, I wouldn't want it available at all. And that my opinion. :)
Edit: Darnit, Pyro got in before me again. :)
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I am not trying to prolong this thread or still argue the point.
Guttboy/Easyscor or anybody else ...
This E6B data is completely new to me. I understand what I am looking at, but please explain to me what positve effects this data will have for me in AH II while I fly in the MA. How can I use it to my advantage ?
Note: I do not fly bombers.
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Low fuel, many kills, you want to make it back to base without running out of gas. The E6B will let you know if you'll make it or not. :)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
This E6B data is completely new to me. I understand what I am looking at, but please explain to me what positve effects this data will have for me in AH II while I fly in the MA. How can I use it to my advantage ?
Change plane for a week , use exclusively Yak ,Lavotchin (5 you're not a dweeb ;)) and typhoon.
It won't give you an advantage but you will perhaps not ditch like me mid-way from your take off field just because you didn't spent your time looking at fuel.
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Well ... It's not going to buy me anything there guys.
I pay close attention to my gas loadout in any plane that I fly before rollling, and I pay close attention while in flight/fight.
Very rarely do I run out of gas, but arrive back at the base with just one tick left on the gas guage many times.
Anything else ?
Octavius ... I see that you have aquired a very bad gas problem since the dramatic weight loss ... :D
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If you don't want to test what could I say ?
When I look at your stat I see you just fly plane having big tanks like P38 or F6F.
I can't believe you need to manage fuel in those planes even at 25% you have enought to grab alt and find a fight.
That's not true in typhoon or yak.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
I am not trying to prolong this thread or still argue the point.
Guttboy/Easyscor or anybody else ...
This E6B data is completely new to me. I understand what I am looking at, but please explain to me what positve effects this data will have for me in AH II while I fly in the MA. How can I use it to my advantage ?
Note: I do not fly bombers.
In your P38 you won't find it of much use in the CT or MA however, when you fly special events, with typical flight plans covering hundreds of miles and lasting 60 minutes, weight and fuel endurence is critical. As I said above, the E6B will save hours of testing to find the lightest fuel load for the trip or in some cases determining if the trip is even possible.
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Originally posted by straffo
If you don't want to test what could I say ?
When I look at your stat I see you just fly plane having big tanks like P38 or F6F.
I can't believe you need to manage fuel in those planes even at 25% you have enought to grab alt and find a fight.
That's not true in typhoon or yak.
straffo,
Those are what I have been flying lately. I am quite familiar with the Yak, La-7, Spit V, and many others that don't quite have the amount of fuel capacity as the F6-F or the P-38. No matter what I fly, I always pay close attention to my gas gauge.
I fly most often with a 50% load in a P-38, so when two big engines are working very hard to keep me alive, the fuel consumption is always a consideration.
Easyscor,
That is the first good reason for E6B that I have seen, but as you have pointed out, it really is only good to save setup time in scenarios.
iceMAW would have loved this when I flew for the MAW. He use to get the orders and spend a considerable amount of time flying the routes to figure out what optimum fuel loadout we should take prior to the scenario.
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Let contine here http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=1233447#post1233447
My point is not the access to the E6B but more the multiplier.
I agree that with a 50% p38 fuel management as to be considered.
But the main difference between a yak and a 38 is that you can chose to have less fuel when the option to have more fuel don't exist in a yak.