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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: Mugzeee on May 23, 2004, 06:29:20 PM
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It seems that there might be a trend towards the ATI cards being worse in AH2 beta 35, as far as Stuttering is concerned. I upgraded my Video card some time back and was under the impression that this vid card would do the trick.
At least according to the reported SYS specs that it was going to take to play AH2.
I am going to have to upgrade again. :rolleyes:
Please help me make an observation. Your help is Much needed here. And much appreciated. I have used nothing but ATI for the last 7 years. May have to go with nvidia for AH2 this time.
1. Your Vid Card is? ATI or G-Force?
2. Screen freezing/ Stuttering?
Thanks.
Salute!:aok
Operating System: Windows XP Pro (5.1-,Build 2600)
CPU: AMD Athlon, MMX, 3D Now, ~ 1.0 GHz
SYS Mem: PC 2100, 256 Meg, DDR
Video: ST Labs ATI Radeon 9000LE, 128 Bit 128 DDR mem, 250MHz Engine Clock
Direct version, 9.0b 4.09.0000.0902
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I have a 128MB ATI also. I've decided to sit tight for awhile for the following reasons:
1. The detective work to iron out these issues takes time and cannot be 'scheduled.'
2. I trust some compromise or fix will be found before release.
3. With my luck, any hardware I decide to change prior to release will be the only piece of hardware on the planet that will not work... :)
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MugZ , I have ran ATI in the past for many years also. I have found that in the last year that Nvidia cards just seem to work better for me . The card I'm using is a BFG Asylum GeForce FX 5700 Ultra 128 AGP .
Memory is 128 MB ( DDR2 )
Memory Clock 900MHZ (effective )
RAMDAC Dual 400MHz
356 million vertices/sec.
14,46GB/Sec.memory bandwith .
I replace an ATI RADEON 9800 XT128 with this card !.
My frame rates in AH1 and AH2 are the same , 100 sitting on the field and after take off and short climb the frame rates run between 100 to usally 110 . I have no frame freezes .
One thing I did do was to set my soundblaster to "standard speed" acceleration .
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System Information
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Time of this report: 5/23/2004, 17:07:28
Machine name: YOUR-6H1A8U6SJ2
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 1 (2600.xpsp2.030422-1633)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: eMachines, Inc.
System Model: MS-6000T
BIOS: Version 07.00T
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+, MMX, 3DNow, ~2.0GHz
Memory: 1024MB RAM
Page File: 219MB used, 2243MB available
Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0b (4.09.0000.0902)
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 5.03.0001.0902 32bit Unicode
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5700 Ultra
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce FX 5700 Ultra
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0341&SUBSYS_194C270F&REV_A1
Display Memory: 128.0 MB
Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (100Hz)
Monitor: Korea Data Systems Avitron AV-195TF
Monitor Max Res: 1920,1440
Driver Name: nv4_disp.dll
Driver Version: 6.14.0010.5672 (English)
DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 3/24/2004 10:04:00, 4274560 bytes
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These BFG 5700 Ultra 128 cards are warrented for life, as are all BFG cards . There support is toll free 24/7 365 days . BeAware, MugZ 1 do not buy any cards with LE or some other funky cutrate versions , they fall flat on their bellybutton ! If you decide to lookup the link to BFG , call them and ask to speak to Tony , as him about the difference between the BFG 5700 Ultra 128 with ddr3 and the
5700 Ultra 256MB LE , you will find the card with 128 is way-faster because of the memory .
http://www.bfgtech.com/
I think the only other thing I would do if I had a pc like yours is to install 1 GB of the fastest RAM that will work with your system . If you decide to upgrade cards ect. ect. besure to reinstall DX 9 .
Any way it's been along time since we used to dogfight on AirWarrior .... My cpid was CHKRS and I was in Cucas Sqaud and later The SeaSerpents .
I hope this helps .
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I have an ATI Radeon 9700 with 128 MB & the latest drivers.
And, yea...my screen freezes a lot in AH2. :(
This sucks. Not looking forward to losing AH1 before this is fixed.
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I think the problems lay in the programming favouring the nvidea cards. Remember when AH2 first went beta those with ATI cards had lots of problems.
I'm sure given time HTC will iron out all problems with using the ATI card. I'm a 9800 user myself.
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I agree , there isn't any reason that ATI cards should be falling on there butts . I have seen this same type of issue in FighterAce , except it ws reversed, the ATI Radeon cards worked in that game with DX 9 and the Nivdia cards screwedup on DX9 . Had to run DX8.1 with Nivida cards to run that online game . FA still has that problem .
These new ATI 800 XT cards are faster that stink, and should post the best of frame rates and effects ..... in AcesHigh ....
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While I have had a few init errors after patching. On the whole my elcheapo ati 9000 pro 128 mb (8500 chip) has worked well in AH2.
Very well considering this system was built a year ago last feb and its only a 1.6 ghz.
Don't give up on ATI yet is my opinion.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
While I have had a few init errors after patching. On the whole my elcheapo ati 9000 pro 128 mb (8500 chip) has worked well in AH2.
Very well considering this system was built a year ago last feb and its only a 1.6 ghz.
Don't give up on ATI yet is my opinion.
Thanks. The 1.6 Gig may be giving you the extra boost needed too.
It has been said that AH2 is Processor dependent.
Any Screen stuttering at all?
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Mugz
I have an Nvidia card.
I would say I only get screen freezes 10% of the time. It seems to happen when a friendly dies or once in a while in a furball. Basicly its there, (freezing) but its tolerable.
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Originally posted by AWCHKRS
MugZ , I have ran ATI in the past for many years also. I have found that in the last year that Nvidia cards just seem to work better for me . The card I'm using is a BFG Asylum GeForce FX 5700 Ultra 128 AGP .
Memory is 128 MB ( DDR2 )
Memory Clock 900MHZ (effective )
RAMDAC Dual 400MHz
356 million vertices/sec.
14,46GB/Sec.memory bandwith .
I replace an ATI RADEON 9800 XT128 with this card !.
My frame rates in AH1 and AH2 are the same , 100 sitting on the field and after take off and short climb the frame rates run between 100 to usally 110 . I have no frame freezes .
One thing I did do was to set my soundblaster to "standard speed" acceleration .
These BFG 5700 Ultra 128 cards are warrented for life, as are all BFG cards . There support is toll free 24/7 365 days . BeAware, MugZ 1 do not buy any cards with LE or some other funky cutrate versions , they fall flat on their bellybutton ! If you decide to lookup the link to BFG , call them and ask to speak to Tony , as him about the difference between the BFG 5700 Ultra 128 with ddr3 and the
5700 Ultra 256MB LE , you will find the card with 128 is way-faster because of the memory .
http://www.bfgtech.com/
I think the only other thing I would do if I had a pc like yours is to install 1 GB of the fastest RAM that will work with your system . If you decide to upgrade cards ect. ect. besure to reinstall DX 9 .
Any way it's been along time since we used to dogfight on AirWarrior .... My cpid was CHKRS and I was in Cucas Sqaud and later The SeaSerpents .
I hope this helps .
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Thanks for the reply Checkers.
I couldn’t forget one of the most respectable players ive met online. An attitude like yours is worthy of the utmost respect.
I cant ever remember you making an derogatory comment in all the time ive know you. Like 4 years or so.
Thanks for the input. Salute!
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MugZ
How can I contact you or get a phone number to talk to you ???
CHECKERS or send me your phone number to rlksh@hotmail.com
asap !
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AMD XP 2K+
Asus board
512 Ram
Win2K Pro
NVidia GForce4 420MX (64 Megs)
No stuttering or any hesitations at all on the video, though my Saitek joystick is almost unuseable due to its sensitivity. Smooth video even when in a 10,000 ft tail spin, though I'm still dizzy after how many I've had :-)
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Originally posted by AWCHKRS
MugZ
How can I contact you or get a phone number to talk to you ???
CHECKERS or send me your phone number to rlksh@hotmail.com
asap !
Send me yours if you like. I can talk anywhere in USA for same cost.
ahmugz@yahoo.com (MugZ)
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I have same phone service ...flat rate anywhere too
ok phone number on way to yourYahoo email addy soon as i post this !
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Originally posted by AWCHKRS
I have same phone service ...flat rate anywhere too
ok phone number on way to yourYahoo email addy soon as i post this !
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heh cool TY:aok
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GeForce cards are having problems too...at least mine is. Everything was great until Beta 34/35. Before that Beta frame rates were a steady 75 in uncongested areas and 60's in small furballs. That was with highest range and quality selected. Now I get at best 60's and down in 30's in furballs with lower quality and range selected. Tried enditall2, and had the latest Nvidea driver (1 April 2004). Now running an unapproved beta video driver to get up to the frame rates above. No freezes but frame rate changes annoying and 30's a bit low in the furball. I am sure this will be fixed before AHII goes live(?????).
Athlon 64 2 Ghz
1 gig pc3200 ram
Geforce 5950 ultra video card (top of line 2 months ago)
windows XP home
DSL connection
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One thing that effects my ingame Frame rates big time is my Monitor refresh rate settings , if I run the monitor at a setting of 80 the frame rates are low and slow , So I set the monitor refresh rate to 100 and like magic , the frame rates in AH jumps up too !
Hope thios helps .
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Have an ATI 9800 Pro.
No screen freezes. ATI cards are better because they can run FSAA with little or no penalty in Frame Rate.
I have used Nvidia cards exclusively until 4 months ago. GeForce4 Ti4600 was last card. If I attempted to use FSAA with the Geforce card, the frame rates would drop significantly.
Using 6X FSAA and anistropic filtering I suffer no frame rate loss whatsoever. This makes for smoother and much crisper and cleaner graphics. No "jaggies" hills and mountains look like mountains and not pyramids.
I suggest that ATI card owners look at your settings. Also one is not going to get optimum frame rates unless the refresh rate of the monitor is tweeked upwards also. Remember....frame rates can be limited by the refresh rate of the monitor. If you have the capability and a monitor that can handle it, raise your refresh rate! Refresh rates also effect NVidia cards the same way.
NVidia cards at least in my experience are fine cards. But because you take a FR hit by just using FSAA, you can't take full advantage of the graphic details. Even using 2XFSAA with an Nvidia card (my last experience) would cut the FR in half.
So....if your an ATI user I suggest a couple of things.
1.) Use the latest Omega drivers. They are ATI drivers tweeked to perform better for gamers. Follow the instructions on installation carefully.
2.) Check your settings! You can boost FR by just lowering the resolution. Rule of thumb I find useful. 19in' monitor 1280X1024.
17" monitor, think its 1024X780 15" monitor, another step down in resolution.
3.) Always try to have sound card and AGP Graphics cards on separate addresses. Your motherboard schematic will show you which slots share addresses.
4.) Now...I forgot. If I remember correctly the latest Omega drivers are for WinXP/2K. If you're using 98,98SE, or 95 there are drivers for them....just not the latest.
Also.....some CPUs will just perform better. Naturally faster is better....some have more pipelines etc. But you should be able to play AH2 with a 1.2 or higher CPU imho.
Use Dx diagnostics also. See if Dx sees the amount of memory that your card has. I've had past experiences when using a 128 meg card showed in Dx that it was about 4 to 5 meg short. If that's the case...it is best to...
1.) uninstall driver and reinstall
2.) upgrade your driver. They say that new drivers can be installed now without uninstalling the old ones. Guess what?
I'm old fashioned and I always uninstall the old drivers before installing the new ones. Call me crazy...but I like to be sure my system sees only one driver. And I never have problems with my drivers. I feel better when my PC isn't bouncing off 6 different lines in the registry trying to find the latest driver.
There are many people in AH that know a lot more about graphics and drivers then I. I find what I stated above works for me.
Gas mileage may vary.
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Operating System: Windows XP Pro (5.1-,Build 2600)
CPU: AMD Athlon, MMX, 3D Now, ~ 1.0 GHz
SYS Mem: PC 2100, 256 Meg, DDR
Video: ST Labs ATI Radeon 9000LE, 128 Bit 128 DDR mem, 250MHz Engine Clock
Direct version, 9.0b 4.09.0000.0902
I can see several big problems with that system.
First of all 256Megs of ram won't be enough for any modern game if you run WinXP. 1Gb is required for games such as lomac, Il2 and the likes.
Secondly a 1Ghz cpu won't cut the mustard. It has been outdated in games for 1+ years.
Third: Ati Radeon9000 can't handle 3D intensive games. The fact that yours is the LE version makes it even worse (LE is the slowest form of ATI cards.) If you 'upgraded' to a 9000LE I can tell you, you made a BIG mistake there. Waste of money.
What's left? Oh, Directx9b is up to the task. No need for a change there. :aok
A quick low-cost solution for you would be to move back to Windows98SE which would help greatly on your lack of resources. The 98 is still the fastest gaming platform around and it's your best shot if money is THE object. If you can spare a few bucks you need to upgrade all 3 of your main components, most importantly the radeon9000LE has to go.
I personally run A64 3000+ with radeon9500pro and I get around 60fps in tower with little over middle slider positions. It's not good by any means but I noticed an increase in fps from 20+ to 60+ when I upgraded my cpu from 1900+ to 3000+. The bottleneck now clearly is the 9500pro.
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Originally posted by Hajo
1.) Use the latest Omega drivers. They are ATI drivers tweeked to perform better for gamers. Follow the instructions on installation carefully.
Great post, Hajo.
Where can I find these Omega drivers? Please point me to the right website, and I'll find the drivers for my 9700.
Thank you!
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found this site: http://www.omegacorner.com correct?
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My current sys specs are in the sig block...FYI perhaps we all might want to put that there so folks can see what everyone is running in beta...just a suggestion...
OK...I have been testing the AH2 B35 now since it rolled out..been testing the other betas as well.
My findings for MY system....I have put all new drivers, updated everything imaginable and still coming out with the same results.
For what its worth it makes NO difference on my machine whether I run high AA/AF (eyecandy as I call it) or low. Nor does it matter whether I run different screen resolutions...the results are the same.
What it appears to me, and I am running an ATI Radeon 9800XT with 256 on it, is that my MOBO/CPU is the limiting factor.
There are guys out there in my squadron and such running the same things and getting much better FR than I am. NO CLUE WHY...only assumption is the MOBO/CPU combination is causing a bottleneck.
The visuals are outstanding! However my FR's drop into the low 20's when in jabo over a base or when in a huge furball. FRUSTRATING TO SAY THE LEAST.
As far as freezes go...yes they are there...my squad has officially switched to AH2 to continue tweaking and testing. My observations only but it seems as though we are all getting the "micro Freezes" whether or not you are using Nvidia or ATI. I will admit that the fellas that are running the Nvidia cards seem to be getting better FR's but everyone's system is different.
I would LOVE to know if it is possible to run AH2 with max Quality/DETAIL and still maintain FR's over high 30's and stable (my requirements). I would also love to know with all the Eyecandy on what system would run this and what system the fellas at HTC are using to test this? Skuzzy Pyro?
Anyhow...I posted another post on recommendations for a new AH2 rig...using my ATI 9800 on it.
Regards:aok
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I can see several big problems with that system.
First of all 256Megs of ram won't be enough for any modern game if you run WinXP. 1Gb is required for games such as lomac, Il2 and the likes.
Secondly a 1Ghz cpu won't cut the mustard. It has been outdated in games for 1+ years.
Third: Ati Radeon9000 can't handle 3D intensive games. The fact that yours is the LE version makes it even worse (LE is the slowest form of ATI cards.) If you 'upgraded' to a 9000LE I can tell you, you made a BIG mistake there. Waste of money.
What's left? Oh, Directx9b is up to the task. No need for a change there. :aok
A quick low-cost solution for you would be to move back to Windows98SE which would help greatly on your lack of resources. The 98 is still the fastest gaming platform around and it's your best shot if money is THE object. If you can spare a few bucks you need to upgrade all 3 of your main components, most importantly the radeon9000LE has to go.
I personally run A64 3000+ with radeon9500pro and I get around 60fps in tower with little over middle slider positions. It's not good by any means but I noticed an increase in fps from 20+ to 60+ when I upgraded my cpu from 1900+ to 3000+. The bottleneck now clearly is the 9500pro.
Please note: from the News, Announcements, & Information of these message boards.
Originally posted by Pyro
AH2 nearing release
The AH2 beta will soon be coming to an end. We are working on the final remaining bugs and issues with AH2 and as soon as that is done, it will be released. There are still numerous aesthetic enhancements that aren’t yet completed, but we don’t feel that they warrant holding up the release any longer. We’ll continue to work on those after the initial release and return to a tighter update frequency that we used in the early days of AH1 but now with AH2 being the platform for steady enhancement. We also look forward to working on Tour of Duty.
We encourage everybody to try out the beta at this time. It is better to find out now if you have any hardware issues with AH2 rather than after it is released.
You must have DirectX 9 installed to run AH2. As a result, only video cards that are DirectX 9 compatible will run AH2. You may also have to update your video drivers if you have not done that in a long time.
Basic system requirements for AH2 are as follows: 850 MHz processor, 256 MB memory, GeForce 2 or equivalent video card. You may be able to run it to your satisfaction with a lesser system, but a lesser system will probably not have a compatible video card unless that was previously upgraded.
Once AH2 goes live, it will replace the current version 1.11 as the mandatory version.
Thanks to everybody who has participated in the open beta. Your feedback and bug reports have been a tremendous help to us.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
According to some ppl frame rates don’t seem to be a big problem for me, 32 to 35 fps tower. 31 to 45 fps in flight. Didn’t I read somewhere that we can only see so many frames with the human eye? Seeing is one thing...residual effect is something altogether different im thinking :D Although im inclined to agree with you. :)
The creators of the game have stated the starting point. Still keeping my fingers crossed :)
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T.Bolt
Get them at driverheaven.net/downloads/index4.htm
Site is called Driver Heaven.
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30-35 fps is suppose to be the limit
and my ATI9600xt gets 70-80 fps in ah2, about the same as ah1
try adjusting the sliders in the setup toward preformence if your struggling. Ya just got to find a "happy medium"
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Frame rates revisited.
There are in game adjustments of video performance for AH2 in setup that you can take advantage of. Well thought out by HTC...Kudos.
CPUs....It has been my experience....and not trying to turn this into a CPU contest...that Athlons perform better for gaming. This is just not my experience, but also PC Gaming Magazine who benchmarks the CPU for their readers in actual gameplay.
Bang for the buck...and performance goes to Athlon. Again, just not my opinion only.
My system specs....and FR is in the 80s' consistently without stutters or Freezes.
AthlonXP2400 ~2ghz
1024 pc2700DDR
ATI 9800Pro 128DDR
Win2K
SB Live 5.1
Via chipset (make sure your onboard chipset drivers are up to date)
ASUS A7V333 mobo 266 FSB (memory running at 333)
Again.....your motherboard down chipset (VIA's etc.) have drivers also.....check to see if the ones you have are current also. Northbridge and southbridge chipsets are the Band Director.
In some instances, and I say some....an upgrade in this driver could help you significantly. Especially if you're using the Vias.
I know for a fact...when I installed the 9800 Pro, in the instructions were a list provided by ATI of chipsets that had to have the latest drivers or the 9800Pro wouldn't operate correctly or at all.
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Mugzee do you always aim to play games according to the minimum posted specs at the back cover? rofl!
The minimum specs will provide you with a slideshow - granted and for sure.
If you want something actually playable, you have to double or triple the minimum specs. I'm sorry but that's life.
30 fps will not be enough for a fast paced game. Even if you can maintain the said fps in steady flight, you'll get a heavy penalty around _any_ action in the game. The penalty will cost you dear lives over and over again as the guys sporting 100+ fps will run circles around you at smoking fields etc. places where your 30 fps system will be doing 5fps and begging on its knees to be put out of its misery.
Once you auger for the first time for bad fps or notice you're dead between the turn of the stick and the next screen update, you'll know what I'm talking about. :)
The fps in games is never constant. Quite the contrary it fluctuates constantly which leads to the conclusion that one must have double or triple 'buffer' in fps in order to maintain a playable fps at all times.
Your fps will be down in all the moments where you need fluent movement the most.
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Hajo,
What resolution and settings are you running for the sliders? How is your AA and AF set on the card?
Regards:)
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Mugzee do you always aim to play games according to the minimum posted specs at the back cover? rofl!
The minimum specs will provide you with a slideshow - granted and for sure.
If you want something actually playable, you have to double or triple the minimum specs. I'm sorry but that's life.
30 fps will not be enough for a fast paced game. Even if you can maintain the said fps in steady flight, you'll get a heavy penalty around _any_ action in the game. The penalty will cost you dear lives over and over again as the guys sporting 100+ fps will run circles around you at smoking fields etc. places where your 30 fps system will be doing 5fps and begging on its knees to be put out of its misery.
Once you auger for the first time for bad fps or notice you're dead between the turn of the stick and the next screen update, you'll know what I'm talking about. :)
The fps in games is never constant. Quite the contrary it fluctuates constantly which leads to the conclusion that one must have double or triple 'buffer' in fps in order to maintain a playable fps at all times.
Your fps will be down in all the moments where you need fluent movement the most.
To answer you question. No i don't. As i understand it. im a litle higher than the Min req.
As for you opinion... Quote "First of all 256Megs of ram won't be enough for any modern game if you run WinXP. 1Gb is required for games such as lomac, Il2 and the likes. "
I thought AH1 was somewhat modern.
Quote"Secondly a 1Ghz cpu won't cut the mustard. It has been outdated in games for 1+ years."
I have been playing AH1 on this rig from the begining. Runs excellent.
As for you ID...could you please disclose your MA game ID? Is you game ID different than the BBS ID? I like to know who im conversing with.
As for the rest of it.... Again i tend to agree to the Double or Tripple thingy :) Thanks for your input, it is appreciated
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Originally posted by Flit
30-35 fps is suppose to be the limit
and my ATI9600xt gets 70-80 fps in ah2, about the same as ah1
try adjusting the sliders in the setup toward preformence if your struggling. Ya just got to find a "happy medium"
Thanks for the input Flit. But unfortunently I have already set everything towards Performance as possible. I do mean Everything. :(
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I'm not actively playing AH at the moment, just read the BB and try to give technical advice when I can.
Because of the flamewars I've been through here I will keep my game identity secret as I don't need to drag the weight over to that world should I choose to reactivate my account (which I well may do.) It's best for everyones gameplay.
I thought AH1 was somewhat modern.
AH1 hasn't been graphically modern in most of its existence. Same applies to AH2. The online games are dumbed down in several aspects in order to keep downloads small and reversely help users with lower end machines to be able to play AH and pay subscriptions to HTC. :) The very same thing applies for the necessary CPU power needed to run the game.
Only difference is that now AH2 seems to hog way more resources at its present stage than what the graphical quality would indicate. This was not the case with AH1 when it entered out of beta so either HT still has plenty of code optimising to do or AH2 is IMO a failure compared to AH1. At the time AH1 delivered the best graphical quality of MMOGs and did it with relatively small requirements in hardware.
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I do think he's right about 98SE being good for gaming.
Takes far less ram to run smoothly from what I've seen.
Everyone is talking about 1gig of ram yet I'm still running everything on 128mb ddr.
Silats also right about the SE.
Thats the lowest & slowest of the cheap cards.
Can you take it back for a Pro? or a 9200?
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Originally posted by Ghosth
I do think he's right about 98SE being good for gaming.
Takes far less ram to run smoothly from what I've seen.
Prolly true. But im not eager to change OS for the 10th time! LOL.. I been back and forth from 98SE to XP so many times i HATE em BOTH! hehe
Everyone is talking about 1gig of ram yet I'm still running everything on 128mb ddr.
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Hmm
Silats also right about the SE.
Thats the lowest & slowest of the cheap cards..
Silat :confused: lol...oh dear
Can you take it back for a Pro? or a 9200?
No.
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guttboy
my sliders are set a midpoint.
With a 19in SONY 420GS monitor
Refresh rate set to 85 (runs at 91.2)
1280X1024 32 bit resolution
FSAA set all the way right to 6X
Anisotropic filtering I have off.......it works great on the graphics, very well matter of fact....but it shades the text in the text buffer.
So....you can use it......try it all the was up....then can tune it down if you wish.
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About win98SE.
I upgraded to win2K pro from 98SE.
I understand that win98SE can see no more then 512RAM.
This is what I've been led to believe.....you can have more but the 98SE OS won't use above that.
Anyone with more expertise on that subject confirm or deny that?
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I upgraded yesterday from 98 SE to 2000 Pro. 2000 runs games better with SP4 installed. Thats my opinon though. Graphics seem to be smoother than 98. Plus the stability is much better. As for 98 seeing more than 512 megs of ram the answer is yes and no. Rosco gave me link to a website that has an unofficial service pack for 98. It changes and fixes somethings plus allows more than 512 megs of ram to be installed. On a fresh install it won't see more than that. I have the service pack on one machine and it seems stable. Its only for Windows 98 SE English edition though.
http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html
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WinXP Pro
Athlon FX-51
1 Gig ram
ATI 9800 XT
SB Audigy2ZS
FPS is not an issue, but I still get screen freezes.
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the micro freezes came back a beta or two ago
not a fps issue
Im sure they are working on it
ati9800
2600 amd w a gig of ram
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I had one hitch in an hour and a half of flyin Monday night. Chaintech 5900 nvidia card.
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XP or 2000 are far better choices for a modern pc make no mistake about that.
The 98SE was just a free solution to his lack of resources, a plaster so to speak. It's the best performance boost he can get without spending a dime.
I tried installing 98SE to my sons gaming rig and I fell apart immediately. I had forgot how crappy OS it was.
It's fast, but pretty unstable using the nforce1 I had lying down.
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I seem to only get screen freeze and stutters when a skinned plane is near, haven't noticed it under any other condition.
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Downloaded beta 36 , frame rates still at 100 + , but now get screen freezes and stutters .
Also the sun glare sucks ! "need welders goggles to look at screen after about 15 minutes ............":inthe game
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Originally posted by JustJim
I seem to only get screen freeze and stutters when a skinned plane is near, haven't noticed it under any other condition.
Please help me make an observation. Your help is Much needed here. And much appreciated. I have used nothing but ATI for the last 7 years. May have to go with nvidia for AH2 this time.
1. Your Vid Card is? ATI or G-Force?
2. Screen freezing/ Stuttering?
Thanks.
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My vid card is ATI Radeon 9600 Pro 128 Mb. My CPU is P4 2.8GHz, and I have 512 Mb Ram and run Win XP Home.
My fps is 75, but I get frequently occurring screen freezes (1/2 - 1 sec in duration) during a furball. AH2 is basically unplayable for me because of this. I'm trying to figure out what it could be related to - I didn't notice any skin update messages or anything like that.
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oboe: Where is your textures to load per frame slider set?
HiTech
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Originally posted by Mugzeee
Please help me make an observation. Your help is Much needed here. And much appreciated. I have used nothing but ATI for the last 7 years. May have to go with nvidia for AH2 this time.
1. Your Vid Card is? ATI or G-Force?
2. Screen freezing/ Stuttering?
Thanks.
Settings Below, Stuttering only when skinned planes are near.
Range between 50 fps in furball to 130 fps @12k
Nvidia GeForce Ti4400 128mb driver 56.64 official Nvidia.
(http://home.comcast.net/~jim_ferreira/wsb/media/141146/site1073.jpg)
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Played Beta 36 for first time last night.
Two sorties:
1) Upped from carrier into massive low-alt furball. Nary a stutter.
2) Flew a nearly-empty sector; intercepted two flights of B-17s. Massive 2-second-plus freeze on closing into guns range.
Frame rates have been fine for past several versions, 60-80 give or take.
Radeon 9800Pro 128mb
P4 2.8
1G ram
DirectX 9.0b
Monitor at 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (85Hz)
Video detail settings identical to JustJim above (incl. 5 tx/fr)
Max texture size unlimited. All options checked. Gamma 1.0.
Splash1
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For freezes try putting the textures to load per frame at either 1 or approx 33% of full scale.
Seemed to help mine a lot.
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ATI 9600XT with Omega 5.2.44 (CAT 4.5) I have tried all CATs from 3.8 on. VSYNC on AA X 4 AF Aplication Preference. Monitor refresh rate is 100 Hz. - STUTTERS, FREEZES, BUMPS.
Beta 30 worked best for me. I was playable.
I'm about to give up on the Beta again. They are no where near close to ready with this. Most of my squad can't play! I have experimented with all sliders and settings. I can't beat stutters or BAD FR's.
Notice the map we're playing. Islands. Get over Land and my FPS is running as low as 19. As soon as I get over water I am maxed out at 100 FPS. LOL! At alt. I'm better but still, when I look to the land, FR's crash, look to sea thay Max out!
To further answer you question. I bought the 9600XT for Christmas as an in between upgrade. I am building new for Christmas this year. I had always used NVIDIA. I am totally NOT impressed with ATI. The new Machine will have NVIDIA!
System Specs:
1.8 GHz ABIT TH7-II MoBo, Intel 850 Chipset
512 M RDRAM 400 FSB
ATI Radeon 9600XT with Omega CAT 4.5 drivers
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card, TBSC-4193 drivers
3 Com NIC
Cable 1.5M/200kbs
CH HOTAS and Pedals all USB
XP Pro, SP-1a
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Originally posted by JustJim
Settings Below, Stuttering only when skinned planes are near.
Range between 50 fps in furball to 130 fps @12k
Nvidia GeForce Ti4400 128mb driver 56.64 official Nvidia.
(http://home.comcast.net/~jim_ferreira/wsb/media/141146/site1073.jpg)
Thanks for the Info jim.. much appreciated
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Originally posted by dracon
ATI 9600XT with Omega 5.2.44 (CAT 4.5) I have tried all CATs from 3.8 on. VSYNC on AA X 4 AF Aplication Preference. Monitor refresh rate is 100 Hz. - STUTTERS, FREEZES, BUMPS.
Beta 30 worked best for me. I was playable.
I'm about to give up on the Beta again. They are no where near close to ready with this. Most of my squad can't play! I have experimented with all sliders and settings. I can't beat stutters or BAD FR's.
Notice the map we're playing. Islands. Get over Land and my FPS is running as low as 19. As soon as I get over water I am maxed out at 100 FPS. LOL! At alt. I'm better but still, when I look to the land, FR's crash, look to sea thay Max out!
To further answer you question. I bought the 9600XT for Christmas as an in between upgrade. I am building new for Christmas this year. I had always used NVIDIA. I am totally NOT impressed with ATI. The new Machine will have NVIDIA!
System Specs:
1.8 GHz ABIT TH7-II MoBo, Intel 850 Chipset
512 M RDRAM 400 FSB
ATI Radeon 9600XT with Omega CAT 4.5 drivers
Turtle Beach Santa Cruz Sound Card, TBSC-4193 drivers
3 Com NIC
Cable 1.5M/200kbs
CH HOTAS and Pedals all USB
XP Pro, SP-1a
Thanks for the time dracon. Im sure it will get better. I have decided to wait it out till after severl betas down the road. Hopefull someone will report "Eureka" :D
This thread is just a way for me to try and make sense of some of the problems. Nothing more.
Thanks again !!
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I want to thank all who have taken the time to reply with your Video card info and game experience thus far.
!!!
:)
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Originally posted by hitech
oboe: Where is your textures to load per frame slider set?
HiTech
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Originally posted by hitech
oboe: Where is your textures to load per frame slider set?
HiTech
I found I had set it to 'unlimited' - I backed in down to 3 (middle) but haven't found a big fight to test it out yet. Tho this morning was on with Mitsu a bit and I did notice a screen freeze as we rolled at right angles to each other on take off.
I'll try again tonight - thanks for your help HT!
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oboe. Set it to 1
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I was having studder problem too. I tweaked in game and also the D3D settings with no joy.
Last night I decided to revert to one verison back on my Omega drivers because I just loaded the newest version (Cat 4.5 equiv) and didnt really have studder before loading the newer drivers.
Well, going back a version made no difference so I re-installed the lastest version again. Kept my AA at 6X but changed my Ansio to 2X (was 16X). Fired up the game and no more studder. Went back to desktop and upped Ansio to 16X. Still no studder, but really saw no difference between 2X and 16X Ansio so I changed it back to 2X.
HT ... I understand what AA does for me, but what does Ansio do for us ?
ATI Radeon 9500 128M (Softmodded to 9700)
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as far as win98SE I'm runnin 768meg of ram
It will handle a gig max all you have to do is type the following
under vcache in windows (system file)
[vcache]
MaxFileCache=524288
And the caps are important I think so must be exactly as above
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I set the graphic detail back to defaults, this included setting the Textures to Load slider back to 1. Still get the periodic screen freezes. I set AA and Anisotropic filter down to 2x, but that didn't seem to help either.
Found a fair sized furball last night and the screen froze for about 1/2 second a time pretty regularly. Lots of warping going on too, check my ping details and it was about 30, with no packet loss.