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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gyro/T69 on May 23, 2004, 07:11:05 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/23/senate.military/index.html
I'm not sure NYS was expecting this as a solution to the “more jobs” for the state.
If Kerry is elected come November, how would a draft be sold to the American public if needed?
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"Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York"
Fools.
Yah, everyone is laughing.
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A draft is political suicide.
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If Kerry loses to Bush this year I think Hillary might win the Presidency by a landslide in '08.
On the other hand, if Kerry wins in '04 the soonest Hillary can really run and expect to win would be...I don't know, but a long time from now.
Kerry '04. The lesser of two evils.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
A draft is political suicide.
A draft would be interesting. A Momma’s boy like you going to the front lines would be suicide, indeed.
Kerry will save you.
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Originally posted by Creamo
A draft would be interesting. A Momma’s boy like you going to the front lines would be suicide, indeed.
Kerry will save you.
Big talk from someone that isn't getting shot at either.
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Originally posted by Creamo
A draft would be interesting. A Momma’s boy like you going to the front lines would be suicide, indeed.
Kerry will save you.
May he be drafted into the Texas ANG, Lord hear our prayer.
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Nah, Stabby's already got the words to Oh Canada memorized.
;)
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
May he be drafted into the Texas ANG, Lord hear our prayer.
I do not think my parents are Bush rich.
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It'd be interesting to see who falls where if the draft were re-instated to allocate more bodies to Iraq... doubt the support would be much unless this rumored WMD cache shows up.
-SW
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I don't believe Hillary wants more military, I suspect she is just saying what she thinks people want to hear. What did she and her little puppet Bill do for the military? As they say, actions speak louder than words.
I will never trust her, but heck, I don't trust any politician.
dago
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Big talk from someone that isn't getting shot at either.
I've got fat and lazy in my old age, but there is one thing I am assured of.
I’d ***** slap Frogman outta his shoes on a bet, but I don’t abuse children.
Of course I’m not being shot at, but I’d be the first in line if need be.
You think that is enough for the poor shade accounts to cry “SKUZZY, CREAMO WANTS TO BEAT ME UP! Ban him!”
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Oh my, the emporer has not clothes on.
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Originally posted by Creamo
I've got fat and lazy in my old age, but there is one thing I am assured of.
I’d ***** slap Frogman outta his shoes on a bet, but I don’t abuse children.
Of course I’m not being shot at, but I’d be the first in line if need be.
You think that is enough for the poor shade accounts to cry “SKUZZY, CREAMO WANTS TO BEAT ME UP! Ban him!”
There is need, get in line.
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Just a little note...
They are allready talking about transfering people out of the USAF and Navy......They plan on tellin them.....Get out or get transfered its your choice.
I think they are just looking for a quick fix with that though.
I was unaware that we were having a recruiting problem that nescesitated a draft. Its not like we've had a tremendous amount of casualties (compared to previous conflicts of the same length.)
I will tell you this Sen. Clinton has NEVER been very popular with the military itself.
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A draft is political suicide.
You need to expand on this. For who, Kerry if elected, the Dems? They have been the ones harping on the need for a draft. Need more input. :)
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
You need to expand on this. For who, Kerry if elected, the Dems? They have been the ones harping on the need for a draft. Need more input. :)
Anyone who has a hand in reinstating a draft will be come unelectable.
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I was unaware that we were having a recruiting problem that necessitated a draft. Its not like we've had a tremendous amount of casualties (compared to previous conflicts of the same length.)
I agree, haven’t heard how many divisions their talking about. They'd first have to build each new regiment or battalion size unit from a core of experienced officers, NCOs. Going to be a large undertaking anyway you cut it.
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Anyone who has a hand in reinstating a draft will be come unelectable.
Why?
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
Why?
Sending kids off to a war they did not volunteer to fight, while half the population objects to the way it is run is never a good idea.
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Sending kids off to a war they did not volunteer to fight, while half the population objects to the way it is run is never a good idea.
Who said it was for Iraq? Kerry wouldn't pull that would he? Oh BTW, the manpower for every long term war the US has fought has been rounded out with a draft. Don't remember many folks being voted out of office because of it. Maybe Johnson (68), but he decided not to run.
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When was the last time a war was unpopular. Vietnam. And LBJ resigned over it. Hell korea affected truman.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
When was the last time a war was unpopular. Vietnam. And LBJ resigned over it. Hell korea affected truman.
Ummm HELLO....DID YOU EVER HEAR OF THE CIVIL WAR? It wasnt so civil now was it.
I know I'm being dumb....I didnt have anything of real importance to ad so I just threw that in there.
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When was the last time a war was unpopular. Vietnam. And LBJ resigned over it. Hell korea affected truman.
Yup, and the wars and the draft went on. Don't kid yourself, long term wars are never popular.
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Gunslinger, I hope that was you posting just for the sake of posting.
Otherwise, that truly was you being dumb.
-SW
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
Yup, and the wars and the draft went on. Don't kid yourself, long term wars are never popular.
And the presidents that start them are voted out, and the drafts end. That is why i said it is political suicide.
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A drafted army is not stupid at all.
Its got more self critizm and less lowend people who can't do other things.
Like those stupid fkups that torture and photograph pows. It's big stupidity.
I never learned that in the army i was always learned the geneve conventions.
A drafted soldier with some selfesteem already would throw this out to the media long before it's released now.
A good example is the dutch army in sebrenica they where not drafted they where "proffesional" Yes sarge no sarge i jump sarge.
befehl is befehl
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And the presidents that start them are voted out, and the drafts end. That is why i said it is political suicide.
Truman started the Korean war? Hmmm didn't know that. Where'd you hear that.
No draft after the Korean war? You sure?
LBJ started nam? Think he inherited that one.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Gunslinger, I hope that was you posting just for the sake of posting.
Otherwise, that truly was you being dumb.
-SW
;)
I think I answered your question allready
I know I'm being dumb....I didnt have anything of real importance to ad so I just threw that in there.
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I understand. Sarcasm is unfortunately difficult to appreciate via typed words, so I had to be sure.
-SW
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It's a new angle on an old idea...
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/01/27/rangel.draft/
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
Truman started the Korean war? Hmmm didn't know that. Where'd you hear that.
No draft after the Korean war? You sure?
LBJ started nam? Think he inherited that one.
It does not matter who started it. It matters who is president while the war is going on, and who is responsible for allowing the draft. Sure the draft popped its ugly head back up for vietnam, but as you should know americans tend to have a short memory span.
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It does not matter who started it. It matters who is president while the war is going on, and who is responsible for allowing the draft. Sure the draft popped its ugly head back up for vietnam, but as you should know americans tend to have a short memory span.
You don't have the faintest idea of what your talking about do you?
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It's a new angle on an old idea...
I don’t know Sandman, the draft ran from 1948 to 1973 and we still seemed to get involved in a whole bunch of wars. Sounds like a feel good measure to me. Beside it’s political suicide
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What I mean is that the Dems have already pushed this idea before. Rangels position was that the all-volunteer force was unfair and that political leaders would think twice about the next third-world skirmish if more of the "privileged" were at risk.
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You know what ?
If and when we are ever really attacked on our own soil again you will see the recruiting offices filled with fine young men .
so I dont see the need for the draft as of yet.
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all-volunteer force was unfair
That's seem kind of nuts...Volunteer = unfair, forced = fair???. I get the idea but, it just seems kind of nuts :) heheheheh Well, then I can't explain why we ended up in wars with a draft, if the logic of his position is sound. Soneone from the privileged class must have been drafted durning that time period and yet, we still fought.
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I dont see the need for the draft as of yet
We probability don’t, just speculating. :)
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Originally posted by Creamo
A draft would be interesting. A Momma’s boy like you going to the front lines would be suicide, indeed.
Kerry will save you.
Sound like WWIII just started soon. :(
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Originally posted by Gyro/T69
You don't have the faintest idea of what your talking about do you?
I do not think you do. You asked why would it be political suicide for whoever enacted a draft, and I gave you an answer. It killed Truman and it killed LBJ, and this war has even less support then either korea or vietnam(before the draft).
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
and this war has even less support then either korea or vietnam(before the draft).
LOL wanna bet!
I was around during Veit nam and almost had to regester for the draft did you?
Trust me the country backs this war way more than they did Veit nam.
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Originally posted by txmx
LOL wanna bet!
I was around during Veit nam and almost had to regester for the draft did you?
Trust me the country backs this war way more than they did Veit nam.
At the start of the vietnam war? I am not talking about after they started drafting guys and it was on TV everyday.
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Originally posted by txmx
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/481_1085366837_clinton-657.jpg)
Sweet mullett!
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
At the start of the vietnam war? I am not talking about after they started drafting guys and it was on TV everyday.
The war in South east asia never went over real big with the American public.
I know I was a teenager back then I remember all the protesting it was very ugly time in America.
Also ya gotta think maybe that the reason we dont see all that much coverage from Iraq like we did from Veit Nam.
Dont want the folks at home to see how trully nasty war really is.
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I do not think you do. You asked why would it be political suicide for whoever enacted a draft, and I gave you an answer. It killed Truman and it killed LBJ, and this war has even less support then either korea or vietnam(before the draft).
The draft did not kill anyone political career. Their inability to win or end their respected wars did.
The draft started in 1948 and ran non-stop untill 1973. The Korean War start 2 year after the draft did. Nixon was Prez went it ended. Your argument does not hold water.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
When was the last time a war was unpopular. Vietnam. And LBJ resigned over it. Hell korea affected truman.
LBJ did not resign. He didnt run again.
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Just a sidenote to this:
There is an email message circulating around the Army now telling leaders to warn their soldiers who are due to ETS soon. Basically, every soldier signs up for an 8 year committment initially. They serve their enlistment, then the balance they serve in an Individual Ready Reserve status, or IRR. This email is telling soldiers that if they owe the gov't IRR time they would be better off going ahead and joining a Reserve unit near their hometown immediately after they ETS, or they will be pulled from IRR and placed where the Army needs them.
Thankfully I passed my 8 year mark about 6 years ago and just started outprocessing today (woohoo).
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Screw her! She wouldn't allow servicemen to wear their uniforms when visiting the White House on official business. When she was co-president.
I fear she will some day be elected to the Presidentcy.
God save the nation!