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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Tilt on May 24, 2004, 09:07:14 AM
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Seems to me that if you can, ............. do...........if you can't then play AH1 or ask for help now. (or both :) )
If you dont "input" now then come the day you'll just be one of the whinning masses :p
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I would gladly do it....but my machine won't.
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brand new computer doesnt have the balls to handle the program
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Like desalys said. I want to, my computer can't. I cannot afford nor justify a computer upgrade to play a game. So when AH as I know it is through so am I. Maybe I can find some other addiction.
Pillur
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I think i see a trend developing. :eek:
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AH2 runs like a champ on my secondary mediocre (Son's) computer. Asus XP1800+ with Geforce3 Ti200 128MB. I get about the same FPS as I do in AH1. On my primary rig I actually get better FPS than in AH1.
I'm thinking all those who complain about being unable to run AH2 fit into one of three categories.- Have not tried AH2 since build 25 or so when the code was heavilly improved.
- Own a computer that is nearly 5 years old or have not learned how to make it perform well.
- Just the kind of folks who resist any changes in general.
I'f you are the first you have no excuses, download the full game (don't do the incremental patches, they seem to take forever) and try it before you decide you can't run it. If it ran like crap in the original 20 builds, rest assured the game works better now.
If you are in the second, your old puter had a good run 5 years is all you should expect from a CPU or GPU anyhow. The world moves on and so should you. If you have anewer one and it does not seem to be performing right check out the AH2 forums here, there are many tips for configuring your system correctly.
If you are in the third, well...don't know what to tell you. You are probably wishing you still had DOS and the 16 color VGA graphics. I've got some old boxed games I could give you, since they are on floppys do you still have your 5.25 diskette drives?
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I have been in AH2 and enjoying it. I'm having trouble seeing bogies. The canopy glare, whilst realistic, makes it hard to see small images on a computer screen, and I'm still experimenting with video settings -
slapshot & icer. The gunnery is different, and more difficult, but that's as it should be.
Edbert - LOL! :lol
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
AH2 runs like a champ on my secondary mediocre (Son's) computer. Asus XP1800+ with Geforce3 Ti200 128MB. I get about the same FPS as I do in AH1. On my primary rig I actually get better FPS than in AH1.
I'm thinking all those who complain about being unable to run AH2 fit into one of three categories.- Have not tried AH2 since build 25 or so when the code was heavilly improved.
- Own a computer that is nearly 5 years old or have not learned how to make it perform well.
- Just the kind of folks who resist any changes in general.
I'f you are the first you have no excuses, download the full game (don't do the incremental patches, they seem to take forever) and try it before you decide you can't run it. If it ran like crap in the original 20 builds, rest assured the game works better now.
If you are in the second, your old puter had a good run 5 years is all you should expect from a CPU or GPU anyhow. The world moves on and so should you. If you have anewer one and it does not seem to be performing right check out the AH2 forums here, there are many tips for configuring your system correctly.
If you are in the third, well...don't know what to tell you. You are probably wishing you still had DOS and the 16 color VGA graphics. I've got some old boxed games I could give you, since they are on floppys do you still have your 5.25 diskette drives? [/B]
You forgot a 4th: have a RL and decided to put the family priorities ahead of theirs... not having thought about this one speaks volume about you, Edbert...
My crappy system is the following: PIII 866, ASUS CUS L2C, 512 MB RAM, GeForce II MX, DirectX 8.1b, Win 98 SE. AH1 runs flawlessly on it because I set it up very carefully. I run Win 2K as second boot up choice for work, and I've installed Direct X 9b on this setup. I was then forced to download new drivers for the vid card and I noticed a real drop in performance in the games (agreed, Win2K isn't ideal for gaming, but I was using it as a test bench).
This is why I don't want to install directx 9b on my AH steup right now. As soon as AH1 is canned, I'll do it and I'll see what happens. If the vid card isn't enough (probably so), maybe I'll buy another one before my planned upgrade in october. Pity is, I can't immediately buy an ATI 9600 XT because it doesn't run with a PIII, according to the specs. Or maybe I'll just wait...It all depends with the intensity of the deprivation ;).
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Almost every day a new beta version is rolled out to test. Every day the AHII Bug Report forum is full of new and interesting finds (read it, its hilarious!).
Once things settle down a bit and the program smooths out, I might give it a try. I'm hoping that when the time comes my system will run it. However, Aces High is fine the way it is. I don't need the "eye candy" to have fun.
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Sorry Edbert, but your 3 choices are a little limited. I'm not running 5 year-old components and am certainly not resistant to change. The current beta is still beta. There are some legitimate playablity problems for more than just a handful of people.
There are so many changes about to be made in PC components over the next six months that buying almost anything now may limit our ability to upgrade. The AGP slot is going away, the ATX case form is being changed, the RAM specs will be changing and the power requirements are changing so rapidly that we may need small nuclear power stations in our backyards by the end of the year.
I think people want to be playing it online and getting used to the changes.
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
I'm thinking all those who complain about being unable to run AH2 fit into one of three categories.- Have not tried AH2 since build 25 or so when the code was heavilly improved.
- Own a computer that is nearly 5 years old or have not learned how to make it perform well.
- Just the kind of folks who resist any changes in general.
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Don't prtend to have all the f**king answers. Many of us don't fit into any of your "group of three". I have Beta 35. My computer is 2 years old, and other than playing THIS gane works like a champ.
I also happen to think that change is good/bad but inevitable. Just because some computers won't handle the stress of AHII and some of us can't even throw $50 more at our machines (especially to play a game) don't start with the catagorizing crap.
I also run Photoshop CS and other graphic and speed dependant programs with NO problem.
Pillur (with an attitude)
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CTD's prohibit playing the new version for me.
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IT would be nice if HTC could work a promo deal for discounts with a PC supplier for all the guys that need to upgrade.
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In one of the umpteenth updates I developed a prob and AHII will no longer execute. I am going to have to redownload the whole smeer and the way it sets now with the numerous updates I would never catchup. No DSL or cable available here.
I`m waiting till the movie comes out. :D
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Originally posted by Jackal1
In one of the umpteenth updates I developed a prob and AHII will no longer execute. I am going to have to redownload the whole smeer and the way it sets now with the numerous updates I would never catchup. No DSL or cable available here.
I`m waiting till the movie comes out. :D
LOL Jackal:
P.S. when the final comes out..im told that HTC will have a disc.
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Ok got it running. Like AHI a lot better. No wep on the Fm2 in AHII.. The peee 51 got better... we will now see more 51's... just what we need... more people in 51s not fighting.
Can't see hit sprites... like the old sprites better.
lazs
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
AH2 runs like a champ on my secondary mediocre (Son's) computer. Asus XP1800+ with Geforce3 Ti200 128MB. I get about the same FPS as I do in AH1. On my primary rig I actually get better FPS than in AH1.
I'm thinking all those who complain about being unable to run AH2 fit into one of three categories.- Have not tried AH2 since build 25 or so when the code was heavilly improved.
- Own a computer that is nearly 5 years old or have not learned how to make it perform well.
- Just the kind of folks who resist any changes in general.
I'f you are the first you have no excuses, download the full game (don't do the incremental patches, they seem to take forever) and try it before you decide you can't run it. If it ran like crap in the original 20 builds, rest assured the game works better now.
If you are in the second, your old puter had a good run 5 years is all you should expect from a CPU or GPU anyhow. The world moves on and so should you. If you have anewer one and it does not seem to be performing right check out the AH2 forums here, there are many tips for configuring your system correctly.
If you are in the third, well...don't know what to tell you. You are probably wishing you still had DOS and the 16 color VGA graphics. I've got some old boxed games I could give you, since they are on floppys do you still have your 5.25 diskette drives? [/B]
Please note: from the News, Announcements, & Information of these message boards.
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Originally posted by Pyro
AH2 nearing release
The AH2 beta will soon be coming to an end. We are working on the final remaining bugs and issues with AH2 and as soon as that is done, it will be released. There are still numerous aesthetic enhancements that aren’t yet completed, but we don’t feel that they warrant holding up the release any longer. We’ll continue to work on those after the initial release and return to a tighter update frequency that we used in the early days of AH1 but now with AH2 being the platform for steady enhancement. We also look forward to working on Tour of Duty.
We encourage everybody to try out the beta at this time. It is better to find out now if you have any hardware issues with AH2 rather than after it is released.
You must have DirectX 9 installed to run AH2. As a result, only video cards that are DirectX 9 compatible will run AH2. You may also have to update your video drivers if you have not done that in a long time.
Basic system requirements for AH2 are as follows: 850 MHz processor, 256 MB memory, GeForce 2 or equivalent video card. You may be able to run it to your satisfaction with a lesser system, but a lesser system will probably not have a compatible video card unless that was previously upgraded.
Once AH2 goes live, it will replace the current version 1.11 as the mandatory version.
Thanks to everybody who has participated in the open beta. Your feedback and bug reports have been a tremendous help to us.
This is why some players/customers are trying to get the game running on their current systems. We are sure that it will work eventually. Secondly, the BBS chatter about such results are also encouraged and necessary to examine what is needed to make the "Bench Mark" machine run the game. WITHOUT Stutters and such redidiculousness that would make an enjoyable gameing expereince impossible! :D
If you macheine runs AH2 fine. Im glad to hear it.
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Originally posted by LtPillur
Don't prtend to have all the f**king answers. Many of us don't fit into any of your "group of three". I have Beta 35. My computer is 2 years old, and other than playing THIS gane works like a champ.
I also happen to think that change is good/bad but inevitable. Just because some computers won't handle the stress of AHII and some of us can't even throw $50 more at our machines (especially to play a game) don't start with the catagorizing crap.
I also run Photoshop CS and other graphic and speed dependant programs with NO problem.
Pillur (with an attitude)
Guess that puts you squarely into the second category there, you don't know how to tweak a game rig. Unless you want to add a fourth "guys who bought a POS two years ago and didn't know better so their systems are the equivalent of a five year old gaming rig even though it is not that old". If your system is two years old and does not meet the minimum ~850Mhz or a GF2 then you got robbed, two years ago they were mass producing 2+Ghz procs and the GeForce 4s were out.
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
AH2 runs like a champ on my secondary mediocre (Son's) computer. Asus XP1800+ with Geforce3 Ti200 128MB. I get about the same FPS as I do in AH1. On my primary rig I actually get better FPS than in AH1.
I'm thinking all those who complain about being unable to run AH2 fit into one of three categories.- Have not tried AH2 since build 25 or so when the code was heavilly improved.
- Own a computer that is nearly 5 years old or have not learned how to make it perform well.
- Just the kind of folks who resist any changes in general.
I'f you are the first you have no excuses, download the full game (don't do the incremental patches, they seem to take forever) and try it before you decide you can't run it. If it ran like crap in the original 20 builds, rest assured the game works better now.
If you are in the second, your old puter had a good run 5 years is all you should expect from a CPU or GPU anyhow. The world moves on and so should you. If you have anewer one and it does not seem to be performing right check out the AH2 forums here, there are many tips for configuring your system correctly.
If you are in the third, well...don't know what to tell you. You are probably wishing you still had DOS and the 16 color VGA graphics. I've got some old boxed games I could give you, since they are on floppys do you still have your 5.25 diskette drives? [/B]
You forgot category four, where you belong, the idiots.
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they're tightening the code awfully quick
I'm running an AMD 800MHz, 512mb ram, Geforce3 ti200 and fps in the high 40s- low 50s. Granted all sliders/textures are pushed for performance but its not really bout the eye candy.
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Originally posted by Tilt
In a word: AWME
I've been through the Beta circle for a company who (ostensibly, at least) cared what was said.
Why do it again here?
I'm not a tester; I'm a customer, what ever that means.
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in my pc run thousands progs, exept 1, AHII ;)
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i LOVE AH2, have played it more than AH1 lately.
Runs fine on my puter.
Can't wait for primetime.
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Originally posted by Seeker
In a word: AWME
Was that FM ever a disaster!!
AHII beta arena reminds me more of AW3 Beta in terms of the fun factor...........
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"Was that FM ever a disaster!! "
heh ;) aka AW: "Mickey (Mouse) Edition"
"AHII beta arena reminds me more of AW3 Beta in terms of the fun factor..........."
IMO AH-1 had that feel more. AH-1 had ALL the features that AW-3 was supposed to have had (actually had a lot more than what BB was aiming for) but it never got. The atmopshere was pretty damn nice as was the AW-3 beta.
But AH's first beta was more, or t least differetn. It was a veritable melting pot consisting of AW's, like me, who wanted more of a sim than an arcade and WBer (who themselves were alot of old time DOS-AWer's) who were looking for something different/better than what Hotseat was concocting. And I remember it was tough here as there were a lot of really good sticks online trying it out. Really good sticks.
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well... I got mine working and it has as good a frame rates as AHI..
I hope it never comes out tho or they do something about gameplay before it does.
AHII is the most boring gameplay of any flight sim I have ever tried (based on one day maybe 8 hours).
the gunnery is different.. more dispertion maybe but harder to get a shot... a flip flopping plane can "dodge" for quite a while... have seen three planes empty ammo loads at a fish flopping plane that was low and slow.
this makes it even more risk free to B&Z... add to that... the peee51 is probly about twice as good. it's a training wheel plane on steroids now. The FM2 was too fast apparently so they removed the wep..
The game was more timid than anything I have seen in the worst pizza map.
If some sort of gameplay isn't changed ... it will be all late war all the time and... all running all the time.
Early war planes will sit in the corner and gather dust.
lazs
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But Laz you were flying the yak in AH2.
But to be serious 95% of peeps seem to be racking up flights in the free perkies while they can.
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Originally posted by dedalos
You forgot category four, where you belong, the idiots.
I'm not in one of the "can't play AH2" categories at all my foul tempered friend. It work just fine (70+ FPS with sliders in the middle) on my 3 year old computer. If you can't get it to work don't blame me.
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Originally posted by Seeker
I'm not a tester; I'm a customer, what ever that means.
Finally, it took about four years, but Seeker and I finally agree on something.
:)
I've put in the hours trying to help HTC grow and prosper, now I'm just content to be a paying customer. I will leave the beta testing to young unmarried bucks who have oodles of free time on their hands.
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I flew the yak and the Fm2 and the F6f and the hog. There are a few moments when a spit might be fun but it is a suckers bet... better off in gee 10's and pee 51's The yak is barely adequate.
lazs
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
I'm not in one of the "can't play AH2" categories at all my foul tempered friend. It work just fine (70+ FPS with sliders in the middle) on my 3 year old computer. If you can't get it to work don't blame me.
Don't blame you at all. You felt that you had the right to categorize me and I did the same for you. I don;t know how you know who is trying AHII and who doesn't. Maybe HT gives you the stats. I try it at list 3 times a week. It does not work on my computer. I don;t understand why you cannot accept that. Maybe you know something about computers that I did not learn in my 15 years in the IT industry. Its not my job to get it to work. Thats HTs job. If it works for you then fine, enjoy it. Just don't put others down because of it.
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Originally posted by deSelys
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My crappy system is the following: PIII 866, ASUS CUS L2C, 512 MB RAM, GeForce II MX, DirectX 8.1b, Win 98 SE. AH1 runs flawlessly on it because I set it up very carefully. I run Win 2K as second boot up choice for work,
actually the only thing stopping you from playing is your lack of dx9...according to the min specs my and other players experiences that should do it.
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Originally posted by lazs2
well... I got mine working and it has as good a frame rates as AHI..
I hope it never comes out tho or they do something about gameplay before it does.
AHII is the most boring gameplay of any flight sim I have ever tried (based on one day maybe 8 hours).
the gunnery is different.. more dispertion maybe but harder to get a shot... a flip flopping plane can "dodge" for quite a while... have seen three planes empty ammo loads at a fish flopping plane that was low and slow.
this makes it even more risk free to B&Z... add to that... the peee51 is probly about twice as good. it's a training wheel plane on steroids now. The FM2 was too fast apparently so they removed the wep..
The game was more timid than anything I have seen in the worst pizza map.
If some sort of gameplay isn't changed ... it will be all late war all the time and... all running all the time.
Early war planes will sit in the corner and gather dust.
lazs
Yeah, gunnery is different which is what makes it harder, If you give it more than a day you might just be able to improve your gunnery. Talk to Greebo, get in front of his guns and the bastard will nail ya every time.
As for the P51 being "probly about twice as good", I can only guess you think that because you saw me fly it and I'm so damned impressive. What is it about the P51 that you think is twice as good as in AH1? I've been flying it the same way in AH2 as I do in AH1 and have been getting about the same results.
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Originally posted by banana
I've put in the hours trying to help HTC grow and prosper, now I'm just content to be a paying customer. I will leave the beta testing to young unmarried bucks who have oodles of free time on their hands.
Don't do it for HTC, do it for yourself. I've been having a lot of fun in there, as have several others. Give it a try, I'd love to shoot you down :) And it looks like you can fly it even if your acct isn't active - http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=116548
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Thanks SOB. I didn't know AH-II was open to everyone.
All I got to use these days is a damn hoopety twist stick. Just be easy on me with your Merlin powered stealy dan will ya?!
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My computer doesn't like it.
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My AH account is active, SOB. I fly squad ops every Friday night in AH1.
Until AHII goes live, however, I'll be spending the majority of my free time in WWIIOL.
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Originally posted by dedalos
Don't blame you at all. You felt that you had the right to categorize me and I did the same for you. I don;t know how you know who is trying AHII and who doesn't. Maybe HT gives you the stats. I try it at list 3 times a week. It does not work on my computer. I don;t understand why you cannot accept that. Maybe you know something about computers that I did not learn in my 15 years in the IT industry. Its not my job to get it to work. Thats HTs job. If it works for you then fine, enjoy it. Just don't put others down because of it.
A freakin men!!
Except I don't have 15years of IT experience. But i do have at least that in heavy machinery, that reminds me....hey Edbert, bring over your machine, I'll tweak it with my John Deere 644 loader.:eek:
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Originally posted by Westy
Thanks SOB. I didn't know AH-II was open to everyone.
All I got to use these days is a damn hoopety twist stick. Just be easy on me with your Merlin powered stealy dan will ya?!
Heh, you and me both man. My SBLive is squealing up and I can't get the gameport to work properly, so I'm stuck with a USB twisty stick until I get it fixed! I look forwar to shooting at ya ;)
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Originally posted by banana
My AH account is active, SOB. I fly squad ops every Friday night in AH1.
Until AHII goes live, however, I'll be spending the majority of my free time in WWIIOL.
It's worth a try, is all I'm sayin'.
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Originally posted by deSelys
You forgot a 4th: have a RL and decided to put the family priorities ahead of theirs... not having thought about this one speaks volume about you, Edbert...
heheheh, too funny. An attempt at the RL slam. You got your priorities straight. Yup. Just enough time away from the family to ***** at a video game bbs.
Don't cry for me Argentina
The truth is I never left you
All through my wild days
My mad existence
I kept my promise
Don't keep your distance
...sniff, sniff, I can't play a video game. Your comments are hurtful.
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Or it could be Furious that his girlfriend is further away than his right pocket.:rofl
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Have I hit a nerve, Furious?
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Originally posted by dedalos
Don't blame you at all. You felt that you had the right to categorize me and I did the same for you. I don;t know how you know who is trying AHII and who doesn't. Maybe HT gives you the stats. I try it at list 3 times a week. It does not work on my computer. I don;t understand why you cannot accept that. Maybe you know something about computers that I did not learn in my 15 years in the IT industry. Its not my job to get it to work. Thats HTs job. If it works for you then fine, enjoy it. Just don't put others down because of it.
I said that "SOME" (look it up) who say they cannot play AH2 have not tried since the code refinements, I did not say deadalot has not tried, I also did not use personal insults, that was you. AH2 was not a great performer for most of us that tried it when it was first released, it is much better now.
If you have been working in IT for 15 years and cannot get a simple PC (that is better than the minimum specs) to play a simple (to configure) game then that is a truly sad situation and maybe you need to find another line of work rather than blame HT or lash out at other players who are not having trouble. Read further up, people with lesser machines ARE playing AH2 just fine.
I'm sorry, it is NOT Hitech's job to get his game to work on your computer. He must determine a mimnum system spec and make it work on that, however he and Pyro and Skuzzy all go out of their way to help individuals. The game works! I just did a search in the AH2 forums for posts by you and found only one where you said you'd not try to run any game with less that 512MB or RAM. I am assuming you have contacted tech support regarding your computer's inadequacy (or is it your computer's?) before whinning that HT need to fix your computer, right?
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lol, Category 4 for sure. Maybe you need to go back and read your post again?
Originally posted by Edbert MOL
I said that "SOME" (look it up) who say they cannot play AH2 have not tried since the code refinements,
original quote:
I'm thinking all those who complain about being unable to run AH2 fit into one of three categories.
I'm sorry, it is NOT Hitech's job to get his game to work on your computer. He must determine a mimnum system spec and make it work on that, however he and Pyro and Skuzzy all go out of their way to help individuals. The game works!
If it worked it would not a beta, would it? It works on your computer. Thats great. It does not work on mine.
I just did a search in the AH2 forums for posts by you and found only one where you said you'd not try to run any game with less that 512MB or RAM. I am assuming you have contacted tech support regarding your computer's inadequacy (or is it your computer's?) before whinning that HT need to fix your computer, right?
Well, I don't exactly remember when I said tha HT has to fix my computer.
I don;t understand why you make the assumptions you make or why you make it your bussiness to tell people to test AHII since acording to you it works fine. But, I was always told that you cannot argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level, and then bit you with experience (I stol this from someone but can't remember who, lol). So, no more from me.
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Originally posted by deSelys
Have I hit a nerve, Furious?
No. What you said was goofy.
You stated you have a real life and that you have decided to make your family the priority. You kinda rubbed his face in that.
...but, then you have just taken time away from your family to post on a video game forum. Kinda dorky, hunh?
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Originally posted by Furious
No. What you said was goofy.
You stated you have a real life and that you have decided to make your family the priority. You kinda rubbed his face in that.
...but, then you have just taken time away from your family to post on a video game forum. Kinda dorky, hunh?
Or he could be like everybody else, wasting time at work!
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Oh and why not play it now? Tried it out, it runs on both computers, but I like AH just fine. I'll switch when I have to. Jeez, thats all I need is worse gunnery, I'm already a bad enough shot.
At least I hope it runs okay, when I tried only a couple others were in the area. Under MA circumstances such as 20 planes in the air above a smoking field and 10 gv's on the ground beneath, who knows? Of my two comp's the laptop is the weaker, not much to be done there.
Well this thread started out as a good attempt at motivating more people to play and then disintegrated into a good old feud. Such fun we have!
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" I look forwar to shooting at ya"
No prizes awarded for something that easy. Tonight, using a USB 3D Gamestick hoopety toystick, I felt like I was flying with one hand, a single eye and no feet. Man it was pitiful. I fired about a hundred rounds and not one ping.
IT was nice to see alot of hanldes I recognized. Sorry for any missed "Hello's" but I forgot how to enlarge the radio buffer.
Regardless of all that excusery. The new "mouse look" was a really nice feature. I'm so used to snap views with an 8way hat it was hard to adjust to using that though. Must be a really nice feature for those with Cougars and CH USB Pro throttles.
And the sun glare effect is REALLY somehting else. But it felt, sounded (chnl 1 especially) and looked a lot just like AH-1. If I get my old Hotas working under XP I'll give it a better go. With a twisty stick I'm competant to man an ack gun and that's about it.
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Originally posted by kj714
Well this thread started out as a good attempt at motivating more people to play and then disintegrated into a good old feud. Such fun we have!
Well I apologize for my part in that, I seem to have offended more than one, it was not my intent.
I played AH1 beta, the overall enjoyability of the two make AH2 look great at this stage in the game development compared to AH1 when it was "two weeks" from going live. I get frustrated with the nattering-naysayers-of-negativity (stolen from Nixon I think) who pi$$ and whine that there's about to be a change (for whatever reason). I played AW back in 1995 (right before WB went public beta), I played WB from beta on until AH went public beta. Talk about a lot of change! I was not a fan of WB 2.0 at all, but HT and Pyro smoothed it out a great deal, in fact the did such a good job of improving the code that some rich jerk bought the damn game (HOOOOOAAAAH...sorry another thread on another BBS) and spoiled our community. the point being the MMOG air-combat hobby has seem IMMENSE change over the years, moving from AH1 to AH2 is just one smallish step in that big picture. It is not bad, and not to be feared.
I have not been too active on this BBS since 1999 or so. The rhetoric and rampant flame-warring was not much fun. I've been lurking here again for the last month or so and the over level of vitriol seemed to have ebbed somewhat so I started posting again. Once more I apologize to all the readers for my acknowleged contribution to the hatred, I'm feeling better already.
CYA up!
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sob.. I have fought a lot of 51's in AH1 and fighting the ones in AH2 is different. They all turn and burn in the low and slow mode in AH2. Not ony were you impressive in it but every 51 driver I ran into was a super stick. Will have to fly it tho... not sure it will even stall out.
The 51 is better. not only that but it wasn't bad enough that it was the one of the only planes really useful at 25% fuel but with the 2X fuel burn it now has an even bigger advantage.
as for gameplay... found a cv fight last night and it was fun most of the time. but.... Most of the action was horde wars... 20 guys attacking one undefended field in one place and 20 enemy attacking another undefended field somewhere else. Mostly.... lots of planes circling undefended fields in fast late war planes. lopsided sides... all this even tho there is no score! imagine when it goes live.
For some reason the CV was spared.. Is it harder to kill now (I hope)?
Ju88... if you thought it was bulletproof and well armed in AH1 you are gonna be amazed at the AH2 one... they gotta look at that tank.
lazs
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Lazs that CV was under constant attack at one point.
We managed to keep it alive and asked on CH1 a couple of times for it to be spared to keep the fight alive.
Seemed to work and the fight lasted a long time.
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that is true cav... I was there most of the time but....
Do you think we will get that kind of co-operation when the kids and sky accountants and talentless all download AH2?
lazs
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Originally posted by Furious
No. What you said was goofy.
You stated you have a real life and that you have decided to make your family the priority. You kinda rubbed his face in that.
...but, then you have just taken time away from your family to post on a video game forum. Kinda dorky, hunh?
You jump to conclusions without thinking: Edbert was talking about upgrading...so the priorities I was referring to were money related.
And yes, I'll admit that I rubbed his face in that...responding to his harsh comments.
But since he posted that he was sorry, let's just drop it mmmmkay?
Oh, btw....A88A i5 teh gh3y!! ;)
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Originally posted by Tilt
Seems to me that if you can, ............. do...........if you can't then play AH1 or ask for help now. (or both :) )
If you dont "input" now then come the day you'll just be one of the whinning masses :p
I have played, around 12 hours on three days after I got my joystick working right (mostly my fault). My observations:
1) Too sensitive. If you had problems with black/red outs, tailspins and such with AH1 you will hate AH2. The planes/game play is worse with combat mode on than before with combat mode off. I never tail-spun a plane in AH1 but have crashed a lot in AH2
2) Fuel burn (arena setting) is way too high. Actually anything but the longer-range craft are worthless unless you are protecting your own base. Hence anything but P-51s, P-38s, 109s, etc. Don't bother with the Yaks as you will be out of fuel before you get there.
3) Higher stall speeds, lower overall and climbing speeds. Makes it easier to stall and harder to climb out of something, especially when your at a capped base. See tails spin comment above. If you like the tight, turning dog fighting style, AH2 isn't for you.
4) Sun glare is WAY to harsh. Yes, I know they are glass cockpits, but even in WW2 they understood the concept of eye shades and cockpit shading. As it is you might never see the oncomming aircraft even with shading your eyes with your hand. Of course you can always put the cockpit post in the sun and then remove all effects of it, so bye bye realism.
5) Gunnery has already been mentioned elsewhere. It is much harder to hit something. And gun damage seems much higher than "normal" so if you do get hit in one of the more fragile planes (like the 0s) it normally only takes one hit to disable you. And we aren't talking cannon hits, 50s are bad enough. I was running .25 K/D ratio in AH1 (I suck! ) but I don't think I have actually shot down anything in AH2. Most of my deaths have been with a single ping when I have been in the air (not counting dying repeatedly on the runway fighting from capped bases).
Good points are that it looks a lot better, though 64 Meg cards cannot take advantage of it. But even with the graphics turned down to keep the older cards smooth it actually looks like you are flying through a cloud and not a grey blob! Hence hiding in clouds is a little less effective. Joystick setup is nicer, actually showing you (graphically) the settings on your joystick and how it is responding to the game via graphing. The water looks good as you hit it :-) And a lot of other changes to the graphics that you can see even with the video modes turned down.
In short my opinion is that the game is much better looking, but the mechanics of it cause some definate changes that are NOT to the better as far as enjoyment. I realise that a lot of these are theoretically more accurate but decrease the pleasure of playing. And don't make a lot of sense in the accuracy department either. Yes, historically some planes were very hard to fly and none of them were easy, but us arm-chair pilots also cannot get the same feedback as actually flying (gravity, Gs, etc) either, so things that actual pilots got for warnings we have to do by intuition. If AH2 is the same after it leaves beta it will be put on the same shelf as all the other "realistic" flying games I have tried over the years.
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Originally posted by deSelys
...Oh, btw....A88A i5 teh gh3y!! ;)
True, but that was from the musical "Evita". That makes it uber ghey.
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Gruug, that sounds like someone playing Need for Speed all the time starting up on Grand Prix Legends.
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Originally posted by moot
Gruug, that sounds like someone playing Need for Speed all the time starting up on Grand Prix Legends.
Perhaps.. :-)
What I was trying to get at is the game play has changed, and in some parts dramatically, from AH1 and a lot of more casual flyers are not going to like the changes. To me its kind of disappointing as I have only recently found AH to begin with (still in my two week probation...)
I enjoy AH1 though I am not good at it. AH2 I will keep trying but am not happy with for the reasons listed above, and none of them are what you would consider "bugs" but represent a different philosophy in design that I doubt will change. I can't say its a change in thought as I haven't followed AH's development.
I also agree with the previous poster on another issue, that due to the changes in how the game functions you are going to see far fewer different planes in the air than before. Everyone is going to be flying Stangs just to have a chance. Can you call that fun?
Speaking of bugs, why did they remove the dive flaps from the P-3 8? Cut its climbing capacity because it turns well, then cripple its diving? If the key shortcuts have just changed let me know and I'll quit whining about it and proclaim I'm a blonde :-)
P.S. Notice I am NOT whining about being shot down all the time as I know I am terrible. It doesn't matter if I'm in a stang dogfighting with a Stuka, I'm going to lose :-) But I have fun regardless. Any openings in Nomads?
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If everybody's flying Ponies my 109 will be very happy indeed.
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Unfortunately Lazs we both know as soon as the masses arrive it will be the MA norm of pork hordes.
As for uber p51's not met any yet and not flown any either to test as far as i recall.
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Originally posted by lazs2
sob.. I have fought a lot of 51's in AH1 and fighting the ones in AH2 is different. They all turn and burn in the low and slow mode in AH2. Not ony were you impressive in it but every 51 driver I ran into was a super stick. Will have to fly it tho... not sure it will even stall out.
The 51 is better. not only that but it wasn't bad enough that it was the one of the only planes really useful at 25% fuel but with the 2X fuel burn it now has an even bigger advantage.
I can't comment on others, but I've always tnb'd in the P51 - B or D. In AH2, I've been outturned by F6Fs, Spits, Yaks, and went 'round and round with an LA7 that was slowly gaining until he got whacked by a teammate. Nothing out of the normal there, at least from my experience. About the only thing that has made it more survivable for me is the fact that most people's gunnery is crappy enough at this point that it's possible to survive longer doing scissors to try and get somone from your 6 to your 12.
Originally posted by lazs2
as for gameplay... found a cv fight last night and it was fun most of the time. but.... Most of the action was horde wars... 20 guys attacking one undefended field in one place and 20 enemy attacking another undefended field somewhere else. Mostly.... lots of planes circling undefended fields in fast late war planes. lopsided sides... all this even tho there is no score! imagine when it goes live.
If it's lopsided, shout out on ch1. I've seen that work and I've seen it not work. Usually if you have a group who have been in AH a while they know how it is and can help even things up.
Originally posted by lazs2
For some reason the CV was spared.. Is it harder to kill now (I hope)?
Ju88... if you thought it was bulletproof and well armed in AH1 you are gonna be amazed at the AH2 one... they gotta look at that tank.
lazs
There was one guy who was constantly trying to bag our CV, but I think he was new and didn't know what he was doing...he simply died a lot. JU88 well armed and bulletproof in AH1? I don't know what you're talking about here...I get that same maniacal grin on my face when I see a group of JU88s as I do when I see a lone goon. They're cannon (or mg) fodder. I've only seen one group of JU88s in AH2 though, and I think they were killed by others before I could get to 'em.
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First week should be good when all the lame horde & pork "pielits" can't figure out how to get airborne. If we're lucky some will even quit.
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Hi Gruug,
I don't follow many of your points. You're saying a lot of things that seem very contradictory to what others are saying or what I know to have changed.
In something like stalls, most people have commented that they have finer control at the edge of the stall than in AH1. I would suspect that your settings are different between the two. The changes to me are pretty subtle and not at all like you describe. I think you have a specific hardware or settings problem that you are mistakenly attributing to design changes in AH2.
You say stall speeds, climbing speeds and top speeds have changed. Please specify what you're referring to because for all but a handful of planes, these attributes are unchanged.
I have no idea what you mean when you say the P-38's dive flap was removed. And it's climb rate was reduced? That's quantifiable, what's the change?
If you find a bug it should be reported so it can be addressed, but you're making some blanket statements about things that I can't follow without you being more specific.
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Could it be as simple as having combat trim enabled or disabled? Is the easy flight model thingamabob still part of the game? Perhaps the deadbands and sliders are not configured the same way betwixt the two.
I feel (without quantifyable evidence to back it up) that the new FM is of a higher fidelity than the old PARTICULARLY at or near stall speeds.
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Originally posted by GScholz
If everybody's flying Ponies my 109 will be very happy indeed.
That's bad were are usually both rook cause I switched to p51.
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In something like stalls, most people have commented that they have finer control at the edge of the stall than in AH1. I would suspect that your settings are different between the two. The changes to me are pretty subtle and not at all like you describe. I think you have a specific hardware or settings problem that you are mistakenly attributing to design changes in AH2.
I did have rudder problems initially but have sinced found where I screwed up and now the system seems fine. The issues I am noting do not appear to be configuration as the show up when the maneuvers are continued, not when you initially start things. To me, and maybe its just my flying style, you have less warning and control at the edge of the stall, especially at lower speeds and tight turns, but some maneuvers are easier to control, like stalling and reversing to a chasing opponent.
You say stall speeds, climbing speeds and top speeds have changed. Please specify what you're referring to because for all but a handful of planes, these attributes are unchanged.
NOTE: The only planes I have flown in AH2 any length of time are the Zeros (my favorite plane under AH1) and the P-38s (learning).
I agree that some maneuvers where you are purposely trying to stall the aircraft to do reversals, etc are easier to perform and more controllable. But with the planes I normally fly the stall comes on more quickly and interferes with even tight turning near ground level. Plus the line between stalling and blackout seems less forgiving. No, I can't give you exact numbers, but I will start writing the differences in airspeeds between when I am flying AH1 and AH2, maybe it is me, but the same maneuvers produce different results to me.
On the later model Zero I have constantly stalled out in tight turns lasting more than 3 revolutions, which I never had a problem with in AH1. Climbing out of take-off while trying to avoid swooping enemies have shown the same issue of very poor acceleration while performing the same maneuvers as in AH1.
With the P-38 I have had to run WEP almost continously while circling more than 3-4 times at altitudes under 500 feet, while NOT climbing and chasing someone to maintain speeds above stall with flaps level or deployed 1/4 or 1/2. And I have constistently had my air speed drop to 100 while circling tightly and moderate climbs where the same manuevers in AH1 kept the airspeeds at 130-150 under WEP.
It seems that the planes don't maintain their speeds as well in tight turning, eventually resulting in enough loss of speed that they do not stay above stall speed. The P-38 is unforgiving when that threshold is reached, resulting in tail spins I didn't have under AH1.
I have no idea what you mean when you say the P-38's dive flap was removed. And it's climb rate was reduced? That's quantifiable, what's the change?
SHouldn't Shift-C lower the dive flaps on the P-38 since it did have them? I haven't tried it in AH1 (have flown the plane, just never used the dive flaps), so maybe it isn't in AH. I get a "This is no longer supported" or something like that error.
If you find a bug it should be reported so it can be addressed, but you're making some blanket statements about things that I can't follow without you being more specific.
The only real oddity I have seen that might be a bug is when dog-fighting with 1/4-1/2 flaps on teh P-38 and then raising them and continuing level flight the plane seems to have difficulties maintaining altitude without the stall warnings sounding even if the airspeed is acceptable. But only occasionally so I cannot say its not me doing it. Actually I am not an experienced pilot, I am mainly reporting on "feel" of the game, based on AH1 and my limited experience.
On a positive note I have not had the problems with my joystick settings changing like other people with Saiteks are reporting and the video has been smooth every time I have played, no delays like others have had. My "problems" have seemed more like changes in play, not bugs so I didn't think of a bug report :-)
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Originally posted by straffo
That's bad were are usually both rook cause I switched to p51.
Why is that bad? You wanna fight me? ;)
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I will killshoote my plane on your joyfully :D
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*lol* You vill never hit me! I vill uze my zuper Luftwabble zkills on you! ... ... ... You vill get ze proxzy ven I ... run out of ... gaz ...
:D
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Originally posted by Gruuug
4) Sun glare is WAY to harsh.
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I too think that maybe Sunglare effects could use some adjustment.
Originally posted by Gruuug
Good points are that it looks a lot better, though 64 Meg cards cannot take advantage of it. But even with the graphics turned down to keep the older cards smooth it actually looks like you are flying through a cloud and not a grey blob!
I love the new clouds. hey look very diverse.
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Originally posted by Pyro
Hi Gruug,
In something like stalls, most people have commented that they have finer control at the edge of the stall than in AH1. I would suspect that your settings are different between the two. The changes to me are pretty subtle and not at all like you describe. I think you have a specific hardware or settings problem that you are mistakenly attributing to design changes in AH2.
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Hi Pyro.
It is my experience in beta 33 to 36 that some of the planes i fly regularly in AH1 are stalling a wing easier in AH2. The planes are the F4uC, F4uD, LA5,
As far as Stick/Hardware settings are concerned. I wouldn’t know because i have always flown with the default hardware/stick settings. I simply install the game, re-map some buttons and fly. Eventually anyone can adjust to the characteristics of the AC at any Stick setting.
I would think that this would be the most static condition to conduct any FM test between Ah1 and AH2. Unless of course the AH2 default stick settings are different from AH1s default. Are they?
The only time i change stick settings, is when me Stick starts to puke. I sometimes have to adjust the Dead bands to keep the "Do not move your controls so rapidly" message from killing me. BTW...why does this happen? Is this a game play control setting? Or is it just a message that is induced when someone’s hardware is screwing up? Perhaps this is to give them a heads up that their stick can’t handle this much input?
Anyhoo, when i have to keep pushing dead bands and or dampening. I immediately go and buy a new stick. I want those controls to react when i add the slightest bit of Input! LOL.
Thanks
:)
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I don't think I have stalled any easier in AH2 and if I did stall it was pretty easy to get out of.
Don't know what was done to the gunnery tho.. Still.. it's not too bad just a little harder to hit with.
with the advantages going even more heavily to late war planes in AH2 tho we need to move the bases closer together or we will have even more of a political and girls club chat room in AH2 than in AH1.
lazs
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Lots of little tinkering with the joystick controls and I'm happier with how things are working. It still seems to stall easier on me, be harder to get out of a stall and my turn speeds are slower but I'm flying and getting used to the controls.
Gunnery is harder than AH1, but makes you be more careful. Never had a problem with the increased difficulty since I know I suck :). I also noticed the Shift-C no longer gives me an error but actually lowers the dive flaps on the P-38. Maybe I just griped too soon and they hadn't finished that yet.....
Good news is I actually shot down a 190 and 2 spit 14s last night in my 0! Now for a better video card so I can see the changes......
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I couldn't hit a friggin thing in AH2 until I twigged that the gunnery ballistics are actually the same as AH1 - the visuals are different on my PC and you can't see hit flashes through your dashboard. Those changes really threw me off. Once I realized that, I started hitting with my guns again
because I now wait for/work for good shots.
Some of us think that its harder to hit wing/tail surfaces edge on in AH2 which is a great thing!
The big change is that tight turn fights are much harder without being able to see the hit flashes through the dash. This makes for some really great dogfights though - I had a dandy versus Thorr () with him in a Ta-152 and me in a P47-25.
We went at it for about 10 minutes - it was a draw in the end that left us both laughing. One of us stalled in just as the other ran out of gas and ditched.
I don't notice any difference in the P51D or B flight characteristics from AH1, or the P47 or spits, or F4Us either - the P51B is still the greatest, and still has the edge over the P51D in an even fight (i think).
- Twang
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Originally posted by fluffy
I couldn't hit a friggin thing in AH2 until I twigged that the gunnery ballistics are actually the same as AH1 - the visuals are different on my PC and you can't see hit flashes through your dashboard. Those changes really threw me off.
Oh Nooo! That's not a good thing. Is this permanent or will this be changed to the AH1 model? I mean, isn't it already hard enough to try and hit a plane that's disappeared beneath your dashboard? At least with the hit flashes I get some positive reinforcement and don't get so discouraged with my poor gunnery.
My vote goes to bring back the hit sprites.
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i seem to have no problem seeing hit flashes or with gunnery, i even shot down shane twice (cherrypick), well he didnt even bother to move when i got on his 6. hmmm...has another yank and banker been brought back to reality by the more realistic ah2 flight model? One can only hope ;P
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Originally posted by jaxxo
has another yank and banker been brought back to reality by the more realistic ah2 flight model? One can only hope ;P
Eh? The flight model in AH2 allows for just as much "yank and banking" as before. Beyond changes to the relative performance of the various planes, turnfighting is very much alive and well.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Leviathn,
You mean the geometry doesn't change? Oh no I would have hoped this new version would keep planes just flying in straight lines.
Drex
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Gruug,
When you installed the beta, did it give you the option to have your AH1 settings copied over?
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Originally posted by Pyro
Gruug,
When you installed the beta, did it give you the option to have your AH1 settings copied over?
Yes it did, and I accepted it but it didn't work right so I tried re-calibrating.
Where things went wrong is with the rudder controls. It seems that with the Saitek Cyborg the rudder setup (its a twisty) is very touchy.
When I set the joystick and run the rudder through its adjustment I was moving the main Yaw/Pitch ever so slightly. This resulted in the rudder being very touchy. By redoing it and forcing the detent down on the joystick (there are external springs on the Saitek with a large "cone" to center it) I could keep my own twitchiness from moving Yaw/Pitch when turning the rudder. Now everything works great, control-wise. I am also slowly getting used to the control of the plane; I'm not near as grumpy now :-)
Torque from sudden engine speed changes, combined with the flaky rudder settings were causing most of my problems. Sorry about being such a pain......
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There are no excuses...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118220
AH2 runs fine on a 16MB GF2 mobile (mobiles are even slower than full size). You can buy a 16MB vid card like this for under $20 and a 1Ghz P3 for about the same.
The only reason to quit when AH1 goes away is that you don't WANT to play AH2.
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
There are no excuses...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118220
AH2 runs fine on a 16MB GF2 mobile (mobiles are even slower than full size). You can buy a 16MB vid card like this for under $20 and a 1Ghz P3 for about the same.
The only reason to quit when AH1 goes away is that you don't WANT to play AH2.
Whats the name I am thinking of? hmmm:rolleyes:
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People people people!
Listen to me very carefuly.
Please try and work with your setting both with your system and in AH2... Read this thread below and you'll know why I am saying this.
Its not BS.
There is hope for you if you have a system that you think will not run AH2.
I have another system here, a Laptop! A nice one, that I swore would not or could not run AH2. I reformated, installed all the goodies and drivers and such. Played with my settings and WAMMO AH2 works!
Check it out
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118220
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'cos 35 worked fine but 36 on my system is totally fuc......
Achttag
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
People people people!
Listen to me very carefuly.
Please try and work with your setting both with your system and in AH2... Read this thread below and you'll know why I am saying this.
Its not BS.
There is hope for you if you have a system that you think will not run AH2.
Carefull Morph, you might get called names too for suggesting that such a thing can be done. Some people don't want to be helped and just want to whine about AH2 replacing AH1.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Carefull Morph, you might get called names too for suggesting that such a thing can be done. Some people don't want to be helped and just want to whine about AH2 replacing AH1.
:rolleyes:
...just when I thought the medication was wearing off...
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Carefull Morph, you might get called names too for suggesting that such a thing can be done. Some people don't want to be helped and just want to whine about AH2 replacing AH1.
:rolleyes:
I think there is a difference in the way Morph presents things here, flies in the game, and acts in the MA. Maybe you should learn something from him.
Notice how this post is directed at you and not the whole comunity of AH? Try practicing that instead of making assumptions about peoples motives based on your superb ability to move two sliders and select from a drop down list. Maybe then you wont be called names. You were not sudgesting. You were labeling people. All people that might have had a prob with AHII. So, STFU and stop telling me what MY reasons are.
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Just trying to give hope to those who think they need an expencive upgrade to play AH2. I think this proves that. I wouldnt have believed this, that a system with such a small video card could handle AH2. But with the settings set right and the right drivers it works just fine and more importantly its playable.
to HTC for working as hard as they have to make the game as great as they can for the players.
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I think this proves that.
I just want to make one thing clear here. Every computer is different in its own way. And it doesnt mean that AH2 will run perfectly on everyones computer. All I am trying to show you guys is that there are ways of making it run and run so its playable.
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Carefull Morph, you might get called names too for suggesting that such a thing can be done. Some people don't want to be helped and just want to whine about AH2 replacing AH1.
:rolleyes:
MMmm.... Seems that Morpheus, in usual style, was beeing helpful, not generally critical as you were. Your staement that you had all the answers why people didn't want to use AH2, and your subsequent inference that if yone couldn't get the game to work then they were a hopeless loser and inferior to yourself is different from Morph's generous (as usual) help. If you don't have usefull input don't post. Then you won't get called names either. But please never to pretend to be on the same level as Morpheus.
Pillur
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ok stop this guys! Your making me look like a nice guy!:eek:
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Thanks Morph!! I did check the thread u posted and I can almost run ah2, just need a bit more ram, a better vid card and a case of beer.
So far I have one of the above mentioned. :)
Besides, anyone who squaddies up with XJ, has to be a good chap, like XJ is.
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lol yeah XJ is a great dude. I am proud to say I am his squadmate.
I think what is getting me by right now is a few things. My system memory and my processor. Both of which are just squeaking by.
I build a system to play AH2. I spent quite a bit of money doing so. That and the fact that it was just time for a new toy.
I hope others are as lucky with their systems being able to run AH2 and have it still be playable with out making any drastic changes and or replacements. I want to stress Playability . Does the game look as good as it does on my other system? Heck no. Does it run as well in certain situations as it does on my other system. Again, heck no. BUT... Is it playable? Heck yeah.
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Originally posted by Tilt
Seems to me that if you can, ............. do...........if you can't then play AH1 or ask for help now. (or both :) )
If you dont "input" now then come the day you'll just be one of the whinning masses :p
seems to me that i shouldnt have to pay to test someone elses game, ah1 is just fine for me right not and i dont really like some of the changes theve made to ah2 so ill just let you guys make all the suggestions because after all whenever anyone posts something they would like to have different, the idea usually gets shot to hell by all of us anyways:eek:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/357_1085816067_vulchfest.jpg) kinda like this vulch fest
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
seems to me that i shouldnt have to pay to test someone elses game,
The idea of opening a beta arena is so that the game can be tested by the widest variety of PC setups. If HTC had to do all this themselves, with their limited number of setups, AH2 would still be a long way off now, probably a year at least. By opening it up to everyone, the overall time is vastly reduced. Apart from that, you get to find out early if your system is up to it, and have the time to do upgrade if it isn't. Surely it's better to find out now than to stubbornly refuse and then, when the time finally does come, find out your setup is not up to it?
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seems to me that i shouldnt have to pay to test someone elses game,
Um hey guess what. YOU have an account for AH1 right? Ok, well then you can play AH2 with out having to play for a new account.
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morph
ive fiddled with it here and there, just lost in the suace right now about a couple things like witch buildings are what, and damn that suns too bright.:(
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haha Yeah that sun is bright!
I have been meaning to get in there and start practicing taking towns out and seeing how much ord is needed for one town. (The towns are much bigger as most know)
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I will be there once i get 3 hundred bucks:eek:
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
ok stop this guys! Your making me look like a nice guy!:eek:
SORRY!! I never intended to make you look like a nice guy! Honest! I think you're reading too much into this!:D
Peace, Pillur
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I'm just sorry AHII doesn't support my Force FX force feedback joystick, which won't work with dx 9.
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"the sun is bright"
okay mr. suntobright step outside...look at the sun...now if your not already bling come back in and look directly at the ah2 sun and tell me its to bright...
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so far in AH2 I tried these....
Temp....as usual I only tried once or twice.....its just to Golly-geen easy to kill in that plane.
BF109 G10....Tried it so i can see the skins....very nice indeed....inside Cockpit looks wonderful...great job....I find it climbs not so well as in AH1....its gonna be the 1 ping plane IMHO...replacing the Hazooka's....plane seems to turn better in 2 then 1...had a great fight co-alt with Temp.....Temp paid the price for his over confident perk plane syndrome
P38....wanted to see if tail would get shot off so easily.....and it didn't....wonderful....turns and climbs the same 1 and 2....anyone practicing alot in the plane will be a dangerous SOB....got my right tail section shot off(vert. stab.)...got into spin...pushed stick forward for nose down to get speed and voila....easy to get out of spin....38 is the plane I tried the most....wanted to kill GV's too....gonna be fun lookin for those bastages hiding in the trees
LA5...man-o-man that things climbs like a 163....flies about the same...but climb rate seems...again its my perception...but it does seems to climb much better.
Spit14....same ol' same ol'
205.....same ol' same ol'
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AHII is a step backward for AH. I'm not going to play a prequel.
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lacking in optimism again steve:(
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I'll be thrilled if my conlusions prove to be premature. It would be a time I'd l happily eat crow.
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Originally posted by Steve
I'll be thrilled if my conlusions prove to be premature. It would be a time I'd l happily eat crow.
Premature crow can be 'murder' on the gizzards. Having eaten crow of all ages on many different occasions, I suggest a preheated oven, to say, 400, for the first 15 min., or at least till the 'cawing' stops. Then reduce temp to about 325 , and bake for 50 min.
After being prepared to eat said crow, if the 'guests' are still after blood, may I suggest serving them a side dish of premature 'nightshade salad'. Or if you're less inclined to cause harm, an 'Exlax Chocolate suffle'.
Bonne appetite.
p.s: If eating the salad in the Surprise Arizona area, Steve could even drive ya to the doc. :)
(we'll talk about my cut later Steve).
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Originally posted by Steve
I'll be thrilled if my conlusions prove to be premature. It would be a time I'd l happily eat crow.
I'll be sure to let CrowMAW know you'll be paying him a visit.
;)
Meanwhile, I'm having a blast in AH2.
No problems running it on my 3 year old system.
I like the fact that I have to manage my fuel.
The sunglare is great for sneaking up on folks.
I like the disappearing tags on planes flying on the deck.
Lone complain: Rook Gangbang here.
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I'm liking it too Muck. For the same reasons you stated.
What I really enjoy is the FM. At speed it handles as it did but more "fluid" Slow, it acts more like a plane, it wallows. I like that. It "feels" like it wallows. That was totally absent in AH1. I've only got a hundred hours in RL but Beta is on to something in "feel".
I like the gunnery. Can't hit squat, but it's more fluid, entirely dependent on control surface input. Much more realistic ( my feeling ) than AH1.
That and everytime in I have a blast. Jeez the fights ??
Good time.
Steve, crow isn't bad. Some herbs, spices, in a soup ??
..the bones will kill ya tho..
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/147_1086066196_b17dia.jpg)
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you will like it steve.. the peee 51 is even better... everyone is flying em. u won't be so lonely in AH2.
lazs
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Maybe later Lazs, for now (since they are free) everyone seems to be flying the dash4 the 14 and the tempest. In fact I'm pretty sure YOU were in a tempest last night Lazs :D
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
Maybe later Lazs, for now (since they are free) everyone seems to be flying the dash4 the 14 and the tempest. In fact I'm pretty sure YOU were in a tempest last night Lazs :D
I gonna wait till perks are enabled, as I'm sick of fighting nothing but perk planes:mad:
Or maybe I'm sick of getting my arse handed to me over and over :D
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Not doing bad against them. But I never fly safe. Most don't fly them enough to really use them. Killing one that had all the advantage warms my loins..
How's that for a mental picture ??
Those that want a graphical representation, email me.
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Originally posted by nopoop
Those that want a graphical representation, email me.
As if that wasn't graphic enough?:eek:
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Originally posted by Steve
AHII is a step backward for AH. I'm not going to play a prequel.
Guess you didn't read my post in your thread that you started.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118413
Patience Steve.
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yep... was in a tempest... went with rooks for a few nights and enjoyed the 3 to one advantage that is rookish... course...eventually the rooks allways go over the top so that every single rook was flying to one minimally or not at all defended field to circle around... very boring... went back to the one vs three just to have a little action but felt that smiting them with a tempest was fair enough considering... you can chase em down in a tempest when they realize they may have to fight or flee...
The countries in AH2 are forming up exactly like AH1 with exactly the same behavior.
lazs
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Lazs is correct. It is turning into the AH1 MA. I get tired of all the spit14's and temp's. The numbers!!!! Come on folks especially you vets. 26 bish, 29 rooks against 9 knights. And get this, they were all fighting us at A19. You would expect the vets to even things out but I think the vets today come from the era of the horde... The vets of yesteryear are slowly fading away. I have been playing since 2001 and I am no where near vet status but I have seen the GAME turn from a flight sim into a GAME...
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Originally posted by nopoop
I'm liking it too Muck. For the same reasons you stated.
What I really enjoy is the FM. At speed it handles as it did but more "fluid" Slow, it acts more like a plane, it wallows. I like that. It "feels" like it wallows. That was totally absent in AH1. I've only got a hundred hours in RL but Beta is on to something in "feel".
I like the gunnery. Can't hit squat, but it's more fluid, entirely dependent on control surface input. Much more realistic ( my feeling ) than AH1.
That and everytime in I have a blast. Jeez the fights ??
Good time.
Steve, crow isn't bad. Some herbs, spices, in a soup ??
..the bones will kill ya tho..
I totally agree here, Not that the AWFR flight model was perfect but it had a feel that closely approximated what one would expect a plane to act like in a given situation. In some subtle ways AH1 doesn't capture that same feel, but AH2 surely does. There is definately a feedback and response system that was lacking in AH1, it's just easier to intuitively understand what your plane is doing and why and it makes sense.
The tendency in AH1 is to pull max G's w/o blacking out being fairly certain you were not going to stall or spin unless you really mistreated the plane. In AH2 however, there is an immediate and direct response to overcontrolling and overloading G's that will punish you with a snap stall or a spin depending on the situation. The end result is AH2 requires alot more delicate rudder control and very active throttle control. In my opinion, this will greatly increase the overall effect of the individual pilot's talent on engagement outcomes in AH2, versus a bias toward altitude/energy and plane type in AH1.
As far as gunnery is concerned, I also think this is much more realistic. Gunnery in AH1 was just too easy. In AH2, snap shots are doable but only at very close range, and tracking shots are hard unless you are in-plane with the target. I am a decent shot but, anything over 500 yards that wasn't just flying straight and level was a very very hard shot as it should be. Convergence also seems to have a more visible effect on damage done. I have played with convergence non-stop in Ah1 and never noticed any really significant difference unless attempting shots grossly far or near from the settings. In AH2 however, the firing envelope is smaller and requires more precise aim, therefore the convergence of fire has a far more pronounced impact on the effect of fire.
All in all, I am loving AH2, and can't wait for it to go live, I think the newness of the FM/gunnery learning curve will last a good long while even for old vets and put the emphasis back where it should be, on the subtle nuances of WW2 airiel combat.
Zazen
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Best aspect of AH2 IMO....
Bomber pilots and Bomber missions are now an important part of the game.
In AH1 two 110s or two Mossies could leval a town pretty quick,
however in AH2 towns are BIG!
this also will create more Escort and Intercept type operations
Three main types of ww2 operations not really used too much in AH1 will now become quite regular in AH2 i think.
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Originally posted by Steve
AHII is a step backward for AH. I'm not going to play a prequel.
Ditto, every now and then I log on to AH2 for a hour or so but seriously I fail to see where the "improvements" are of any significance.
I didn't expect AH2 to look and feel like AH1. Certinly wasn't expecting the same maps and pixel dust for explosions. :rolleyes:
I know it's Beta but I doubt there are going to be any significant changes from now till release other then some more minor graphic changes.
Lucky for HT the air war in WW2OL sucks as bad as it does.
...-Gixer
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I'll be thrilled if my conlusions prove to be premature. It would be a time I'd l happily eat crow.
I'd like to nibble a little crow here. I just learned something that all of you no doubt already know. I learned that there is a drop down in the hangar where you can switch skins, a wonderfully easy interface.
Kudos to Ht and company for doing this. Also my thanks to all of those who put forth the effort to develop skins.
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Bumba, I'm gonna have to pay you a commission. :)
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Having a choice of skins is REAL nice. Very nice indeed. I also thought highly of the new sun effect which IMO is a great step towards a more realistic environment. I also like the FM and the ballistics. And not being able to auto-trim oneself to safety when wounded or in a black out is a long overdue, very welcome feature. There are several other new features, fuel use for another, and fixes that are nice to see HTC having added.
Still.... To me AH-II felt and looked exactly like AH1 with the "constant ON- billboard icons" and the all-seeing inflight AWACS radar. That's not necessarily bad, if you're into pure fanatasy, death match arena gameplay, but I'm not. I'm looking for a more realistic WWII enviromnent to spend time in. So I'll keep my "ear to the rail" listening for news on AH-TOD.
[p.s. mouse-look is a big plus too! Players can now use trackir type of devices which is a phenominal leap over hat switches and numpad key views)
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I have reformed the Pigs On The Wing Squad on the AH2 arena, but I haven't played it a tremendous amount. The graphics are great, but I run a 64meg vid card and honestly with this set up, AH1 is more enjoyable. Rest Assured however that there will be resounding Oinks when AH2 transition is final...
-Twitchy