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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: storch on May 24, 2004, 09:56:05 AM
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I still haven't bought the model 1911, was vacillating on which one to choose and now I see this offering from both Glock and Springfield Armory.
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Several gun magazines I recently received have highly rated the .45 GAP. It's balistics are almost identical to the .45 ACP but the overall round length is shorter allowing for a higher capacity magazine. 'The Rifleman' magazine just reviewed the Springfield Armory XD and Glock models and gave them very favorable reviews.
I really like the look/design of the XD and was thinking about getting one. I may go with the .45 GAP model now.
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Glock created the GAP .45 while attempting to design a .45 with the same dimensions as their 9mm Glock 17 didn't they? I like the size and feel of my Glock 21.
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Yeah I thought the .45 GAP was all about grip size, since the glock .45s are to wide for many shooters(I can't stand them).
I would stick with the .45 ACP round, in a 1911 clone like the spingfield, or in a Sig.
The gap round is prolly going to be hard to find and more costly in the long run, and you may get unlucky and it could not become popular, and you are stuck with a gun you can get no ammo for.
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the only down side to the GAP is ammo availability, 45 acp is everywhere, have yet to see 45 GAP anywhere. If you reload than no prob, and you will save money in the long run with the GAP because I think it uses a smaller power charge.
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I would wait. It's all the rage now to sell shortened ammo. Some have taken off, like Winchester's .300 WSM. Some have not, such as Remingtons SAUM's. In fact, Winchester is even selling Win Super Short Mags.
Wait and see if this thing is even around in three years before you buy it. Unless you reload and buy lots of brass.
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Hey Squadie!
Go with the RUGER P95 9mm or .40 S&W.
Can't go wrong. Hell of alot chaper than the Glock's too.
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as an owner of a ruger P95, I have to say it was the best value in a gun I have purchased.
345$ for the 9mm.
shoots very nice, and never has any problems.
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I have a S&W Model 4006 and an H&K USP both in .40
a S&W model 915 in 9mm, a Ruger Security Six in .357 and a Taurus model 85 in .38
The 4006 is my tote pistol and the .38 revolver is my wife's car. She is a fine shot.
My brother bought a Sig P220 and we went to the local landfill to shoot rodents. (It's fun with pistols, if you can hit them.) I had forgotten how much fun the .45 was and his Sig is a great weapon. I thought I would pick up a 1911 clone and was leaning heavily towards the Kimber just cuz I like 1911s and that was my sidearm when I did my military service. This new GAP round has me curious. It may go by the wayside, but I thought the same about the S&W .40 12 years ago and look at that round today.
I have a Ruger MK 77 in 30.06 which I like a lot and have harvested 17 deer with. I never really looked closely at the Ruger pistols. I'm sure they make a fine pistol.
I have a few other rifles and shotguns as well but the pistol I carry daily gets the most use. The Idea of a 1911 in daily use is unappealing due to it's weight but I like the whack that only the .45 delivers up close. If I did purchase a .45 GAP it would be my carry weapon.
But you guys may be correct in advising me to wait. The ubiquetous .45 ACP will be around for another century no doubt, no telling what will happen with this new kid on the block.
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1911 is the only way to go. Hands down the best pistol next to the Colt SAA. But I doubt we are all going to start carrying Single Actions around.
1911 is the only way to go.
1911 is the only way to go.
1911 is the only way to go.
Cheap. Ammo is everywhere you turn. Classic. Sexy. Accurate. Reliable. You get the point.
I've shot Glocks alot. We have several range guns that we rent. I wish I could say the amount of ammo that has been through them, but its just too much to tell. (20,000rnds maybe more) They still shoot and shoot well. But I can't bring myself to own a plastic gun. Sorry just can't do it.
1911 is the only way to go. :)
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although i disagree that a man should have to have a gun for protection, i wish i wish i wish i lived in america for one reason and one reason only:
to shoot guns at things and not risk prison
:rofl
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Originally posted by mechanic
although i disagree that a man should have to have a gun for protection, i wish i wish i wish i lived in america for one reason and one reason only:
to shoot guns at things and not risk prison
:rofl
oh man lol Mech you never fail to amaze me with the stupid foolish bullchit that comes out of your mouth.
I am personaly glad you dont live in america. Its people like you who give us gun owners a bad rap and add more light where the lights are already too bright.
Move along and take your hijacking bullchit with you.
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Storch,
Good point on the .40 smith and wesson, but thats one new round in how many years, I can think of some handgun rounds all mods on the .45 acp that have never gained popularity. Like the 45 super?(I think that was it, was about the same size but needed a stronger barrel.)
I do not think the market is going to see the need for another .45 handgun, the market is already filled with tons of 1911 clones, heck even fantastic gun makers like sig are coming out with 1911 clones.
I would be willing to bet right now that in a year or two no one will want anything to do with the 45 gap.
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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
oh man lol Mech you never fail to amaze me with the stupid foolish bullchit that comes out of your mouth.
I am personaly glad you dont live in america. Its people like you who give us gun owners a bad rap and add more light where the lights are already too bright.
Move along and take your hijacking bullchit with you.
i only tried a hijacking once and that was by taking control of the school slush puppy machine and wheeling it round the corner where i drank to my hearts content and sold 1/2 price slushies to anyone stupid enough.
untill they found me and expelled me permanently from education in general.
still i have come a long way from there............
did you know Steve McQueen was the son of a sailor and a potato and he was a hood rat for most of his young life?
people who start in the sewer sometimes end up in the throne
dont anger mechanic or one day you might regret it :p
(and btw: i am an extremely responsible person when i possesion of a fire arm. i scored 69/70 on the 200yrd range in my year of military service (service - lmfaorotf) i dont give you a bad name. i just think a man is only a man when he fights with what he was born with - physical strength and quick thinking)
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Who is this Clown? :rolleyes:
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Read some of his posts jester, lol
He is a self hating, british hating, american hating, white race hating racist.
Just read this thread for a taste of his racism. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117839&pagenumber=1)
He is now on ignore.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Read some of his posts jester, lol
He is a self hating, british hating, american hating, white race hating racist.
Just read this thread for a taste of his racism. (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=117839&pagenumber=1)
He is now on ignore.
that just about sums it up thank you.
i am white and british by the way
and im not a rascist, i hate everyone equally
and i love the way how stupid people just 'ignore' what they cant understand.
prolly why they remain stupid
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Originally posted by mechanic
i am white and british by the way
Oh so you are really saying I have really bad teeth and pasty skin.
And I am really getting sick of the Yanks coming over here and taking all of our good looking women.
Is that about it:aok
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god this bbs cracks me up
for your info dude i am 21 years old with loverly teeth (we worked out about dentists shortly after the 60s lol) a pleasant tan and more stamina than the ladies can take.
but unfortunately its wasted cos i am in a relationship and have been for a few years
your avatar would hvae a chance though, if she changed the lime green bikini, or preferably took it off) :)
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wow you people have the attention span like that of a nat. Possibly worss!
STFU GET OUT AND stop Hijcking every dam thread you come upon!
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Originally posted by mechanic
although i disagree that a man should have to have a gun for protection, i wish i wish i wish i lived in america for one reason and one reason only:
to shoot guns at things and not risk prison
:rofl
This is how it all started folks.
Is there any info there giving opinions on either the Gap45 or the 1911?
Hijack away bud:aok :rolleyes:
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Most cops carry a glock for a reason
It's a good gun.
I prefere a Sig myself.
But I think you wont go wrong with a glock.
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mechanic... you are young and in good shape and I think it taints your reasoning..
You say a "man" shouldn't have a gun for protection. Well... there are many uses for guns but protection is important.
How do you feel about women having guns for protection? or should they just submit and hope they live? How bout old or infirm people? do they need proitection or should they simply call the police? How bout a young guy like yourself? would you need protection from say 4 gang members trying to jack your car and you in a parking lot or would you just beat the crap out of em?
I am looking at a gun safe with maybe a dozen or so very interesting guns in it. I have thousands of rounds of factory and personal reloads for all of em.. It is sometimes hard to pick a gun for plinking... plinking sesions are enjoyed by everyone (including beetle) who I have ever taken out.
Other than that I don't have much to add to the gap thing except that I really like my Kimber and would get a compact if I wanted a 45 to carry. 7-9 rounds is plenty. My newest gun of choice for social interaction is a 12 oz. Smith 340pd in .357 magnum loaded with federal 125 hollowpoints.
lazs
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GAP .45
A solution looking for a problem...
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Originally posted by lazs2
mechanic... you are young and in good shape and I think it taints your reasoning..
You say a "man" shouldn't have a gun for protection. Well... there are many uses for guns but protection is important.
How do you feel about women having guns for protection? or should they just submit and hope they live? How bout old or infirm people? do they need proitection or should they simply call the police? How bout a young guy like yourself? would you need protection from say 4 gang members trying to jack your car and you in a parking lot or would you just beat the crap out of em?
I am looking at a gun safe with maybe a dozen or so very interesting guns in it. I have thousands of rounds of factory and personal reloads for all of em.. It is sometimes hard to pick a gun for plinking... plinking sesions are enjoyed by everyone (including beetle) who I have ever taken out.
Other than that I don't have much to add to the gap thing except that I really like my Kimber and would get a compact if I wanted a 45 to carry. 7-9 rounds is plenty. My newest gun of choice for social interaction is a 12 oz. Smith 340pd in .357 magnum loaded with federal 125 hollowpoints.
lazs
well presented. and good points
i admit my view may be ignorant, but like samuri, i think we should have more honour in our confrontations.
i realise this is impossible in most societies cos someone whill always have a gun.
saying this i would love having a gun to target practie with and i dont see guns as a bad thing, just relying on them foir your safety seems sad.
although i am not in the right country to make any judgment
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frickin Mechanic what are you trying to do to me?!
You are like Dr Jeckal And Mr Hide!
One minute your a nice rational and reasonalbe person and the next you get all... blah!
You are nuts me thinks
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mechanic... I agree with you that needing guns for protection is sad. It is sad that there are bad people and bad governments in the world but... fact of life.
you are wrong about the samorui thing tho.. again.. it is your youth and strength that taints your judgement.. I am in pretty good shape and I am a veteran of too many social confrontations... I am also ruthless and violent when confronted but... I ain't getting any younger and I have allways looked for every advantage I could find. I can still beat up any cripple or woman on the planet... unless they were armed.
Firearms protect the weak and moral against the strong and immoral.
just curious... I have been told on this BB that 99% of english people are quite happy with their gun laws... Are you one of the one percent who isn't or would you say that others of your peers feel as you do?
seems odd that I have a couple of british guns in my safe that I can shoot anytime I want and you don't and can't.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I am in pretty good shape and I am a veteran of too many social confrontations... I am also ruthless and violent when confronted but... I ain't getting any younger and I have allways looked for every advantage I could find. I can still beat up any cripple or woman on the planet... unless they were armed.
Bah come on, Lazs - you're a big softie who cries a lot, and has two adorable kitty-kats! :aok
But you make lousy coffee. Hey wait - Tomato made the coffee. Never mind.
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I wont trade in my Sig P220 in 45 ACP or either of my 1911 types for one any time soon, if you can't find a 45 to fit you hand then get one.
I refuse to buy anymore mouths to feed (I reload for 14 diff. cal. weapons now) I need a better reason then "it's just the same as another in preformance".
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I thought I would pick up a 1911 clone and was leaning heavily towards the Kimber just cuz I like 1911s and that was my sidearm when I did my military service.
Stop leaning and go buy one. Kimbers are frickn awsome. A buddy of mine has 3 of them and now Im sold. After vaction this year I finally going to get mine. Ive had to make myself stay away from the gun store so I wont bring one home.:D
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yep.. like Kimbers and I agree that I really don't need another caliber to reload for and sort brass for.
beetle... you shot the kimber. You were getting huffy because I couldn't load a fresh magazine in less than 10 seconds for you remember?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... you shot the kimber. You were getting huffy because I couldn't load a fresh magazine in less than 10 seconds for you remember?
Yep, so then I started reloading my own. I cut my finger on that gun. The slider seemed to have a very strong spring. Maybe I'm a wheel gun kind of guy.
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nope beet1e you are a vacate the premises kinda guy!! remember?
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If I had beetle around for a month I would have him so addicted to firearms ans shooting that he would be writing letters to the editor in british newspapers asking for more freedom...
I haven't figured out the advantage or disadvantage of the 45gap except for maybe a little smaller grip end to end which I really don't need... for carry I want a single column gun or revolver. The only advantage to semi autos for carry is the flatness and you give that away with a hi cap mag.
barrinf military use..I don't see much use for a hi capacity pistol in any case.
Lazs
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Sos when u hold it sideways like a gangster you have mo bullets to shoot at his ass.
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yep... and you need em if you have em... in the revolver days gunfights were like 1.7 rounds.. now they are up to 7 they don't end any different just a lot more ammo being tossed around.
I feel pretty confident that a 5 shot .357 j frame smith that weighs 12 oz. will do everything that some of my cannons will do.
you can put the smith in your front pocket and it won't even be noticed... it is a enclosed hammer so you can even fire it from a pocket.. might set your clothes on fire tho.
any gun on you is better than the highest capacity one at home in the safe in a fite.
have you guys picked up the new scandium and titanium guns? 12 oz is light as a feather!
got eagle ebonywood grips for it that make it even more compact and slippery.
lazs
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Originally posted by storch
nope beet1e you are a vacate the premises kinda guy!! remember?
OUCH :)
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Originally posted by storch
nope beet1e you are a vacate the premises kinda guy!! remember?
Huh? :confused:
Whatever that was, it went right over my head. Whooooosh! :cool:
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Originally posted by beet1e
Huh? :confused:
Whatever that was, it went right over my head. Whooooosh! :cool:
referrance to the UK law were deadly force is prohibited even if your home is invaded. I understand that should that occur you would need to vacate the premises.
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Originally posted by storch
referrance to the UK law were deadly force is prohibited even if your home is invaded. I understand that should that occur you would need to vacate the premises.
Oh, that. I keep forgetting, but then again I live just a few minutes from this...
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/home.jpg)
...where we tend not to have to worry about such things. My patio door is wide open, the fan is purring softly behind me, and life is good.
Toodle-Pip!
:D
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Originally posted by beet1e
Oh, that. I keep forgetting, but then again I live just a few minutes from this...
(http://www.zen33071.zen.co.uk/home.jpg)
...where we tend not to have to worry about such things. My patio door is wide open, the fan is purring softly behind me, and life is good.
Toodle-Pip!
:D
Same situation here. However, 4am sometimes the wild life changes from that of day dwellers. ;)