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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on October 08, 2000, 11:51:00 AM
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just curious if anyone has this information documented or if it was documented like the spits and p51 and p47 were.
anyone?
thanks
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Was wondering the same thing. I would love some documented comparisons, etc.
Really important to me.
animal
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The British tactical trials consisted of a P-38F being compared to an early 190 (A3 or A4). You won't like it...
The P-38F was out-turned by the 190 above 140 mph.
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Yes but what we need is info on later versions of the plan. J and L. Specifically L since its what we got in AH.
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What changed from F -> L? More weight, more power. So it will go around a bigger circle but faster...?
I seem to recall that AFDU trial gave the P-38 the best chance of shooting down the Fw 190A if it dived away - none of the other planes trialled(Eg: Mustang Mk I, Typhoon) could get close enough for a shot.
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Don't know but with all the Documentaries i have on WWII, aside from the p38 being a awsome interceptor it was a awesome ground pounder. Don't really know if its me or not, but i cant do squat with it in AH. One or two pings and im out for the count.
Not bad mouthing AH in anyway, but if someone can prove to me the pounding a 38 could do. Id love a film of it. Like the rest when it comes to ground pounding, i use the f4u or the p47.
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Originally posted by Central:
Don't know but with all the Documentaries i have on WWII, aside from the p38 being a awsome interceptor it was a awesome ground pounder. Don't really know if its me or not, but i cant do squat with it in AH. One or two pings and im out for the count.
Not bad mouthing AH in anyway, but if someone can prove to me the pounding a 38 could do. Id love a film of it. Like the rest when it comes to ground pounding, i use the f4u or the p47.
Go digging through the help and training boards. I've posted a couple of films of deacking a field with a p38. One is deacking A26 in the middle of a furball (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (I think on the "JABO: use what ya got" thread)
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cc Wells
P-38F sustained turn time at 1000m alt:
27-28 seconds.
From the other info the manoeuver flaps
made it possible for P-38J to stay in turn with later war Bf-109s and FW-190s.
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Guess it is with the P-38 as with the 109G10; 1.04 has made the "old" way of flying it obsolete, and you need to change yer tactics some.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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Aper,
Are those numbers from russian test?
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Wells
I got this info from the book "Lightning P-38" which was issued in Russia. But there are no references that the data were taken from NII-VVS tests.
BTW in this book there are some references to P-38F tests in Britain and that the training fights between FW-190A4 and P-38F showed total advantage of FW-190A4.
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those brits couldn't fly a lightning for toejam anyway so their test is irrelevant (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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They couldn't fly a Fw190 either (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif), so the test IS relevant (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Citabria
P-38F was handled by the very experienced test-pilot from USA.
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Originally posted by Citabria:
those brits couldn't fly a lightning for toejam anyway so their test is irrelevant (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
More to the point... The 38s that were sent to England, were hardly worth testing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Badboy
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Badboy don't confuse the P-38F with the Lightning Mk. I.
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I know aper (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I just love the p-38 so im a bit protective of her. I want the performance in AH as close to the actual aircraft as HTC can get it.
currently I think HTC has the p38 modelled quite well. as modelled its a fearsome energy fighter at medium to high altitudes nothing can hang with it in the vertical. and after all staying in the vertical alows you to maintain the initiative at any altitude in any aircraft even against nimble n1k2s
it turns poorly. (worse than the 109f4-g2) and hangs with the 109g6 but the g6 turns a bit better too. (the 109g10 runs away and dosnt bother turning (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) ) I havent flat turned with any 190a5s they always go vert because only the real Luftwaffe fans fly 190s now (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
that being said it is still very important to realize that turn rate is a defensive quality more than an offensive quality.
it is in this light that I see both the P-38 and the P47 as awsome aircraft when they posess the initiative (energy/alt advantage).
but it is indisputable that these two aircraft have the weakest defensive abilities of the planeset if they are below 20k. above 20k these 2 have the speed and dive (p47) or speed and climb(p38) to regain the offensive.
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now a moment to share somthing I'm proud of accomplishing during my exploits in p-38 flying this tour... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Citabria has 47 kills and has been killed 0 times in the P-38L.
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To chime in on the P47 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
SiloFT has 12 kills in P47-D-25 and 0 deaths (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
May not be a lot of kills, but I do most of my work as Jabo :P