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Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: Ripsnort on May 25, 2004, 10:02:05 AM
..looks like it.

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Pew Survey Finds Moderates, Liberals Dominate News Outlets  
Aya Kawano  
 
 


By E&P Staff

Published: May 23, 2004 4:00 PM EST

NEW YORK Those convinced that liberals make up a disproportionate share of newsroom workers have long relied on Pew Research Center surveys to confirm this view, and they will not be disappointed by the results of Pew's latest study released today.

While most of the journalists, like many Americans, describe themselves as "moderate," a far higher number are "liberal" than in the general population.

At national organizations (which includes print, TV and radio), the numbers break down like this: 34% liberal, 7% conservative. At local outlets: 23% liberal, 12% conservative. At Web sites: 27% call themselves liberals, 13% conservatives.

This contrasts with the self-assessment of the general public: 20% liberal, 33% conservative.

The survey of 547 media professionals, completed this spring, is part of an important study released today by The Project for Excellence in Journalism and The Committee of Concerned Journalists, which mainly concerns more general issues related to newsrooms (an E&P summary will appear Monday).

While it's important to remember that most journalists in this survey continue to call themselves moderate, the ranks of self-described liberals have grown in recent years, according to Pew. For example, since 1995, Pew found at national outlets that the liberal segment has climbed from 22% to 34% while conservatives have only inched up from 5% to 7%.

The survey also revealed what some are sure to label a "values" gap. According to Pew, about 60% of the general public believes it is necessary to believe in God to be a truly moral person. The new survey finds that less than 15% of those who work at news outlets believe that. About half the general public believes homosexuality should be accepted by society -- but about 80% of journalists feel that way.

When the question of which news organizations actually tilted left or right, there was one clear candidate: Fox News. Fully 69% of national journalists, and 42% of those at the local level, called Fox News "especially conservative." Next up was The New York Times, which about one in five labeled "especially liberal."

Not surprisingly, views of how the press has treated President Bush break down along partisan lines. More than two out of three liberals feel the press has not been tough enough on Bush, while half the conservatives feel the media has been too tough.

Still, a little over half of national journalists (53%) give national media coverage of the administration an A or B rating.

While the sample of 547 interviewees is not large, Pew says that this selection represents "a cross-section of news organizations and of the people working at all levels of those organizations." Newspapers were identified and circulation ranked using the 2003 Editor & Publisher International Year Book.

In an essay accompanying the survey, the directors of the sponsoring groups -- Bill Kovach, Tom Rosenstiel and Amy Mitchell --declare that broad conclusions about the political findings should be tempered by analyzing some of the details in the findings. For example, they identify strong "libertarian" leanings among journalists, including doubts about the role of "big government."

Source (Slow loading): http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000517184
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: AKIron on May 25, 2004, 10:04:45 AM
Just because they're liberal doesn't mean they can't be objective, right? ;)
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: vorticon on May 25, 2004, 10:06:48 AM
complaining about it here aint gonna change anything...perhaps the effect is simply because conservatives simply arnet interested in that line of work?
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: Sandman on May 25, 2004, 10:27:36 AM
Think I'll wait for a ruling from DMF.

He's the stats god.
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: stiehl on May 25, 2004, 10:43:00 AM
Are you trying to say that 60% of the general population are morons??
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: storch on May 25, 2004, 10:49:31 AM
I think you have misread that.  he's saying that 40% are.  They are looking for a drum major BTW.
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: Ripsnort on May 25, 2004, 11:02:00 AM
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Originally posted by storch
I think you have misread that.  he's saying that 40% are.  They are looking for a drum major BTW.


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Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: lazs2 on May 25, 2004, 11:30:53 AM
as a rule conservatives are not attracted to artistic endeavers.

artists are critics not doers.

I have not given the news media more than a cursory glance in a decade.   when something major happens I watch a mix of fox and cnn in order to get both sides.  watching only one is either boring in the case of the former or disgusting and frustrating in the case of the latter.

lazs
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: Airhead on May 25, 2004, 11:39:02 AM
Invididual reporters tend to be liberal, no doubt. It's a "searching for truth" thingie and an idealism born of youth. However, the organizations reporters work for tend to be conservative because they're generally a chain and are profit-driven, as they have to be.

Where that conflicts is when a story might affect the bottom line. Years ago I worked for a small daily paper and we broke a story about a local car dealership rolling back the odometers on used cars.

We did a great story, presented it to the Editor, he showed it to the GM (actually publisher) who called the owner of the car lot as a courtesy.  The owner of the car lot said "run it if you want, but that double page full color ad we run every Sunday will get canceled."

Story never ran because of economic  considerations.  I was pissed but understood the GM was running a business, we were a chain and he had to answer to a higher authority if we didn't make money.

I quit shortly thereafter but it had nothing to do with being censored- it had to do with the need to make more money, just like them.  It's all about the bucks, ultimately. For everything.
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: AKIron on May 25, 2004, 11:47:21 AM
Unfortunately, searching for truth doesn't guarantee finding it. Especially if you're looking for it with preconceived ideas of what it will be when you find it.
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: Airhead on May 25, 2004, 11:56:44 AM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Unfortunately, searching for truth doesn't guarantee finding it. Especially if you're looking for it with preconceived ideas of what it will be when you find it.



Yup. Which version of "the truth" do you want?
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: AKIron on May 25, 2004, 12:04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Airhead
Yup. Which version of "the truth" do you want?


I want the one where America stays strong and our enemies continue to fear us.
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: stiehl on May 25, 2004, 01:14:07 PM
I want the one where America is what America could/should be.
Liberty, equality, justice.... all that corny stuff.
HHHMMmm...wonder why I have such a cynical outlook on life.
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: strk on May 25, 2004, 01:35:08 PM
sure the media is liberal.  That is why we are always seeing dead Iraqi civilians all the time, and flag draped coffins coming back from Iraq, and why all we see is are stories about the unemployed and the poor and about how the administration is doing so poorly.

/sarcasm



"In that regard, the poll finds that many journalists _ especially those in the national media _ believe that the press has not been critical enough of President Bush. Majorities of print and broadcast journalists at national news organizations believe the press has been insufficiently critical of the administration. Many local print journalists concur. This is a minority opinion only among local news executives and broadcast journalists. While the press gives itself about the same overall grade for its coverage of George W. Bush as it did nine years ago for its coverage of Bill Clinton (B- among national journalists, C+ from local journalists), the criticism in 1995 was that the press was focusing too much on Clinton's problems, and too little on his achievements."


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http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=825
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: Silat on May 25, 2004, 02:32:42 PM
Try this:
http://www.liberalslant.com/mediaownership.htm
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: Dead Man Flying on May 25, 2004, 02:41:23 PM
Pew typically does good work.  I don't know the sampling methodology here, but it's most likely a reasonable one.

We must consider a few things when looking at these poll results however.  First, the ideology of journalists does not necessarily cause ideological output.  In other words, a great deal of uncertainty surrounds the causal relationship between the ideology of journalists and the overall ideological impression left by newspapers.  This uncertainty partly stems from operational problems -- how do we measure newspaper "liberalism" properly, for one -- and the other is structural -- does the business of running newspapers bias them toward liberalism or conservatism?  Does the journalist/editor/business manager/publisher relationship allow for biased output?

This leads to the second consideration mentioned by Airhead.  That is, editors and publishers determine newspaper content.  Where is the poll measuring their ideologies?  Iyengar and Kinder (1987) performed a complex series of experiments designed to measure the impact of television coverage with intentionally liberal or conservative bias on viewers.  They concluded that the ideological slant of news rarely sways personal opinion, but the issues that receive a great deal of media attention become important to viewers while those that receive little attention lose viewer credibility.  Consequently, issues central to the media become issues central to voters in evaluating presidents and presidential policies.  We see this at work now as, I believe, a recent Pew survey found that voters now consider Iraq more important to the November elections than the economy.  Given the ceaseless coverage of Iraq in the news and the relatively smaller coverage paid to the economy, does this come as any surprise?

Editors and publishers determine which news stories to run and on what subjects.  If the media primes the public on the importance of particular issues, then their decisions probably disproportionately impact public opinion compared to journalists.  And if profit margins increasingly determine the content of mass media, where does that leave us?  Is that liberalism?  Conservatism?  Moderation?

Just some thoughts.

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?
Post by: flakbait on May 25, 2004, 03:01:19 PM
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Do liberals really dominate the news outlets?


No, talking heads and yuppie insects dominate the news outlets. Liberals just happen to be their boss.



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