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Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Grimm on May 27, 2004, 12:19:30 PM
Yup..  

Iv done it,  Iv come up with a way to reduce the number of LA7s in the Arena.    This does not require perk changes or limiting their availablity in anyway.....
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Give the Masses the LA9!

Muhahahahahaaaaa  ;)
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: ra on May 27, 2004, 12:36:41 PM
The La-9 would give the F8F drivers something fun to shoot down.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: MotorOil on May 27, 2004, 12:53:22 PM
Don't need to make things complicated, I just shoot the La7 down!:aok
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: dedalos on May 27, 2004, 01:14:37 PM
I asked before but did not get an answer.  If LA7s are so easy to shoot down, why is everyone complaining about them?  And I am not arguing that, most of the times they are easy to shoot down (for many dif reasons).  So, what is the problem?
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: bozon on May 27, 2004, 02:13:17 PM
wait for AHII, where the La7 has it's fuel endurance corrected.

Bozon
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Delirium on May 27, 2004, 02:21:43 PM
It wont matter if they leave the fuel burn rate at 1.

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Originally posted by bozon
wait for AHII, where the La7 has it's fuel endurance corrected.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Tumor on May 27, 2004, 04:42:29 PM
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Originally posted by dedalos
I asked before but did not get an answer.  If LA7s are so easy to shoot down, why is everyone complaining about them?  And I am not arguing that, most of the times they are easy to shoot down (for many dif reasons).  So, what is the problem?


My question is what the heck makes the Lala such an attraction.  It's fast... oh goody, I can kill them all!?  It's manuverable.... ok, barely (comparitively speaking).  Good immediate ROC when in trouble?  JMHO but the Lala rates all the qualities of gnat with a supercharger.  A fast pest, not much of a threat.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Innominate on May 27, 2004, 04:46:37 PM
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Originally posted by dedalos
I asked before but did not get an answer.  If LA7s are so easy to shoot down, why is everyone complaining about them?  And I am not arguing that, most of the times they are easy to shoot down (for many dif reasons).  So, what is the problem?


Several reasons,
First (and this is true of every plane) ANY plane flown by an incompetent pilot is an easy kill for a reasonable pilot.  Some planes(la7 is one of them) tend to be flown a lot more by less experienced pilots.  The ease or difficulty of the kill has more to do with the pilot than the plane.

Second, it's a perk plane in everything but price. The aircraft in the planeset that the la7 is closest to in performance is the tempest. (Subtract a 20mm cannon, a few mph of speed, and a smaller turning radius)

Third, Fuel burn, The Ah1 La7 has an absurdly efficient engine, giving it a much longer flight duration than it should have.

Fourth, It's boring to shoot down the only same three aircraft types day after day.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: jetb123 on May 27, 2004, 05:15:13 PM
The la7 sucks!:p
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: B17Skull12 on May 27, 2004, 05:25:09 PM
i cant seem to hit la7's cause they are so small:(
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Chortle on May 27, 2004, 06:39:40 PM
The problem I have with any faster plane is that they don't keep running after they've lost advantage but reverse as soon as its 2 v 1.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: 6GunUSMC on May 27, 2004, 08:48:12 PM
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Originally posted by Innominate
Several reasons,
First (and this is true of every plane) ANY plane flown by an incompetent pilot is an easy kill for a reasonable pilot.  Some planes(la7 is one of them) tend to be flown a lot more by less experienced pilots.  The ease or difficulty of the kill has more to do with the pilot than the plane.

Second, it's a perk plane in everything but price. The aircraft in the planeset that the la7 is closest to in performance is the tempest. (Subtract a 20mm cannon, a few mph of speed, and a smaller turning radius)

Third, Fuel burn, The Ah1 La7 has an absurdly efficient engine, giving it a much longer flight duration than it should have.

Fourth, It's boring to shoot down the only same three aircraft types day after day.


AH LA-7 was modeled directly from "official" Kremlin data.  We know how accurate that is.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: RedDg on May 27, 2004, 08:58:54 PM
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Originally posted by ra
The La-9 would give the F8F drivers something fun to shoot down.


Not to mention the P-47N
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: GRUNHERZ on May 27, 2004, 10:20:47 PM
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Originally posted by RedDg
Not to mention the P-47N


Actually 47N would have lots of trouble with a lala..  ue to its long range design and greater weight the N didnt really have that great performance except speed at alt and a better roll rate.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Sox62 on May 28, 2004, 12:16:34 AM
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Actually 47N would have lots of trouble with a lala..  ue to its long range design and greater weight the N didnt really have that great performance except speed at alt and a better roll rate.


Not at 25k...heh
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Glasses on May 28, 2004, 02:26:46 AM
Spade(sp?) or neuter the dweebs and help control the LA7  population,  that should help :D
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: DipStick on May 28, 2004, 03:54:45 AM
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Originally posted by Delirium
It wont matter if they leave the fuel burn rate at 1.

So far it looks like it is going to be 2.0. The good news is fuel porking will stop at 75%.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: bozon on May 28, 2004, 05:33:14 AM
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Originally posted by RedDg
Not to mention the P-47N

you mean the M
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Gixer on May 28, 2004, 06:41:49 AM
Never understood the fuss with the La7, plane that's never really bothered me.



...-Gixer
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: jaxxo on May 28, 2004, 08:38:05 AM
La-7 is an outstanding aircraft...most newbies fly it , hence the dweeb designation, and because even in the hands of a newb it's a bugger to track down and you usually end up with no e after u kill it, which is why vets hate it. I don't fly it all that often, but it's great for busting up a vulchfest.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: dedalos on May 28, 2004, 08:52:01 AM
I stil don;t get it.  I'll give you that it is boring to shoot down the same plane but if they don;t fly LAs then you will have the same prob with what ever other plane they jump into.  The LA threads seem to have the same format.  Someone complains about them, then everyone jumps in to explain how easy they are to shoot down.  Maybe the problem is that people don;t want easy to shoot down planes then?  


How about the 51? Its got the speed, the range, and it turns better.
Title: Re: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Grimm on May 28, 2004, 10:23:55 AM
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Originally posted by Grimm
Yup..  

Iv done it,  Iv come up with a way to reduce the number of LA7s in the Arena.    This does not require perk changes or limiting their availablity in anyway.....
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Give the Masses the LA9!

Muhahahahahaaaaa  ;)


I think a few missed the Joke/meaning here.  

No LA7 complaints in this post.    

The point being the Masses will always flock to what ever is percieved to be the "ultra" plane.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Chitownflyer on May 28, 2004, 01:39:06 PM
For the most part LA7's are rather fun to shoot down with P47's

The death senario for my LA7's encounters
is I have one chaseing me down in
p47... and when it gets with in
about 1200 yards I start to
roll hard right and then hard left...

ussually, the La7 will not be
able to roll as fast and will over
shoot and then be dead...

This is may favorate way of killing
La 7's dweeber

La 7 is no match for a well flown
P47-d11 or d25 or d30

Chi
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Furball on May 28, 2004, 01:54:58 PM
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Originally posted by Chitownflyer

La 7 is no match for a well flown
P47-d11 or d25 or d30

Chi


a half decent la7 pilot will own any of those jugs unless its at alt.


(http://www.avions-de-legende.com/FondsEcran/la-9.jpg)


I love the La-9, its a beauty of a plane.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Achttag on May 28, 2004, 02:06:47 PM
Lgay7, well there's a thing. Couldn't see the attraction m'self, but then I saw a few pics of Fabiola Nogueira and now I'm not so sure.

(No I can't show them here)

Achttag
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Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Chitownflyer on May 28, 2004, 09:02:49 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
a half decent la7 pilot will own any of those jugs unless its at alt.


(http://www.angelfire.com/oh3/pmodels/p47thun.jpg)
This is a view a La7 driver should fear




Well, one little problem with the LA7 is
its control authority at high speed.
A La7 can't roll or turn as well as a  P47 at 375 mph or higher speeds...
 
thats a fact... I have killed many
a La7 driver chasing me down
(assume he's alone and not with buds)
and having him under estimate what
a jug can do at speed and turning
the hunter in to the hunted.

In many cases I will out roll and out turn the the La7 driver where I will have
guns on him and we all know what
8 50's will do to a LA7.

Only way a  La7 can best a jug if
it has buds to help it out of trouble..

Sorry bro... thats the facts..

CHI
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on May 29, 2004, 02:35:41 AM
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Originally posted by Chitownflyer


La 7 is no match for a well flown
P47-d11 or d25 or d30

Chi


:rofl
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: XtrmeJ on May 29, 2004, 02:45:13 AM
Im with frenchy on this one.:lol
BTW where ya been Frenchy? Miss seein you around:)
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: paulieb on May 30, 2004, 03:57:13 AM
It's even more fun shooting LaLa's in a 205... far more profitable, too! :aok
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: lada on May 30, 2004, 04:32:43 AM
hehe its quite deep orgsm when you manage to kill high La7 in 190A5 .... 3 times in one sortie :D



there is no bigger victory that enmy you shot down coming back to you in La7 instead of 109, whitch he had before :D
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Nilsen on May 30, 2004, 05:09:37 AM
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Originally posted by RedDg
Not to mention the P-47N


I like you  :)
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Kweassa on May 30, 2004, 05:41:31 AM
With the higher fuel burn rate and corrected flight range, you definately will see a lot more less La-7s in AH2.

 A careless full throttle flight will run you dry about 10~15 miles from home base after a few climbs and fights. Now in AH2, the La-7s are gonna usually have to fly home cruising if they had some fights.
Title: How to reduce the LA7 Population
Post by: Nilsen on May 30, 2004, 06:36:00 AM
so basicly i could just tease the lala with my jug and make him climb for me.....and he would run dry trying.?

cool...i love teasing those impatient lala drivers.