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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on May 28, 2004, 11:10:01 AM
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/05/28/national1054EDT0563.DTL&type=printable
I have a difficult time reading such stories. :(
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Yuck.
Why do you post this stuff, Rip?
Ravs
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Once upon a time this story would be the crime of the decade, today it's just another gruesome crime. I hate to think what things will be like in another 50 years.
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Originally posted by ravells
Yuck.
Why do you post this stuff, Rip?
Ravs
Because it reinforces my belief that the Death penalty for such crimes is the right thing to do and to stimulate conversations regarding the death penalty.
Why do you respond to such threads, Rav?
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This one? To ask why you posted what you did. Usually the stuff you post is well...less gruesome and worth a read.
Just seemed...I dunno, kind of gratuitious: 'Here's a horrific incident, let me share it with you'.
It's no biggie, free speech and all that sort of thing, but the initial disgust at reading the article prompted my reply.
I'm better now :)
Ravs
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I've got $5 that says these two will say they were influenced by the Berg beheading video.
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Baltimore Child Decapitated, Two Others Found Slain
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A woman arrived home to find a child decapitated and two others with their heads partially cut off in a Baltimore apartment on Thursday evening, police said.
Police said the victims were two 9-year-old girls and a 10-year-old boy. One child was fully decapitated and two were partially decapitated, according to local news reports.
Police said at least two of the children were related.
"I've been around for about 35 years. ... I've not seen anything as gruesome as this. ... One of the saddest things I've ever seen and unfortunately something I'm sure I'll remember till I draw my last breath," Deputy Police Commissioner Kenneth Blackwell told local news media.
Baltimore Mayor Martin O'Malley, who visited the scene, called it a "brutal, tragic, unfathomably sad murder of three young children."
Blackwell said a "person of interest" was being questioned in the case.
"We do understand... that there was some sort of disagreement with the individual that we're talking with now," Blackwell said.
Police said the man had not been arrested and they had not filed charges against the man who was found a few blocks away. There was no word on what relationship the man had to the family, local news reports said.
The Baltimore Sun quoted Blackwell as saying investigators recovered a weapon from outside the apartment, but he would not elaborate on the type of weapon or where exactly it was found.
source (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=L2K54JR1TFW52CRBAE0CFFA?type=domesticNews&storyID=5281793)
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Ass long as we have wussified liberals running around bleeding about criminal rights, in 50 years we will be either liberal free or alot worse off.
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Yuck.
Why do you post this stuff, xrtoronto?
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Originally posted by ravells
This one? To ask why you posted what you did. Usually the stuff you post is well...less gruesome and worth a read.
Just seemed...I dunno, kind of gratuitious: 'Here's a horrific incident, let me share it with you'.
It's no biggie, free speech and all that sort of thing, but the initial disgust at reading the article prompted my reply.
I'm better now :)
Ravs
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=118266&referrerid=3203
:D
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No pics?
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Only 28 countries use the capital punishment, that tells something about it's acceptance. In this case I would gladly see the ones who did this to be beheaded. The problem is not the the punishment, but the non guilty ones that will be wrongfully executed. Also an issue is where to draw the line?
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Mora, what came first, the chicken or the egg?
Point is damned if you do, damned if you dont. Either you fight or you dont. Rather than live a wussified liberal type life, I would rather certain bad people were simply and without vengence or pain, eliminated. Rapists, child molestors and those that kill without lawful justification (ie self defense).
We got rules. play by the games rules or get removed. Simple eh, but all too often convoluted and discombobulated by liberal wussies.
Damn....
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The person who committed this crime should die the most horrifically painful death possible.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Mora, what came first, the chicken or the egg?
Point is damned if you do, damned if you dont. Either you fight or you dont. Rather than live a wussified liberal type life, I would rather certain bad people were simply and without vengence or pain, eliminated. Rapists, child molestors and those that kill without lawful justification (ie self defense).
We got rules. play by the games rules or get removed. Simple eh, but all too often convoluted and discombobulated by liberal wussies.
Damn....
If you have a sexual intercourse with a female and she later accuses you of rape, there's a big change you will be convicted. If you kill someone for self defence and for some reason you can't prove it you will be convicted. Therefore there will be innocent people executed, that's about the only reason I'm against it.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Ass long as we have wussified liberals running around bleeding about criminal rights, in 50 years we will be either liberal free or alot worse off.
Heh, well, I'm a certified liberal and I certainly worry about due process, but I'm 100% in favor of the death penalty.
curly
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Would be cooler if they had pics.
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askin for pics huh?:rolleyes: thats just disgusting...:(
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IF 1 person is put to death wrongly then there should be no death penalty.
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Death is too good for the scum who did this.
They should skin the basterd alive and make him walk through the streets while people throw salt on him.
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The following countries retain the death penalty as a legal form of punishment as of 2004.
Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
People's Republic of China
Comoros
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakstan
North Korea
South Korea
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Morocco
Myanmar
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Republic of China (Taiwan)
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe
I found this list interesting.
Daniel
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
The following countries retain the death penalty as a legal form of punishment as of 2004.
Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belize
Botswana
Burundi
Cameroon
Chad
People's Republic of China
Comoros
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Cuba
Dominica
Egypt
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Gabon
Ghana
Guatemala
Guinea
Guyana
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakstan
North Korea
South Korea
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Malawi
Malaysia
Mongolia
Morocco
Myanmar
Nigeria
Oman
Pakistan
Palestinian Authority
Philippines
Qatar
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Saudi Arabia
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Somalia
Sudan
Swaziland
Syria
Republic of China (Taiwan)
Tajikistan
Tanzania
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
United States
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe
I found this list interesting.
Daniel
The first thing that came to my head was "There is the Death penalty, and then there is the Death penalty with due process..."
What did you find interesting?
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I doubt in alota those countrys people get fair trials etc.
Alota african countries have the dealth penalty, and the arab countrys, well gettin the death penalty there would suck, thats like for sure beheading!
btw not to hijack or anything but, arabs got some hardcore punishments, i saw a video of a man who had apparently raped a women or did something wrong, so they took off his... welll you know...
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Just that there are two countries that stand out from the list... Japan and the US.
From the rest of the list, the inmense majority are islamic countries or dictatorships (or close to it).
I just think Japan and the US shouldn't be in that kind of company. Doesn't look right.
Daniel
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
Just that there are two countries that stand out from the list... Japan and the US.
From the rest of the list, the inmense majority are islamic countries or dictatorships (or close to it).
I just think Japan and the US shouldn't be in that kind of company. Doesn't look right.
Daniel
Due process...in other words..The death penalty has been and continues to be used as a tool of political repression, as a means to silence forever political opponents or to eliminate politically "troublesome" individuals. In most such cases the victims are sentenced to death after unfair trials. You won't see too many "political" opponents put to death in the USA ;)
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Originally posted by Yeager
Ass long as we have wussified liberals running around bleeding about criminal rights, in 50 years we will be either liberal free or alot worse off.
The pendulum swings both ways. Let's hope it's reaching the apex of the swing to left. Stuff like this, the recent upholding of the horrific Dr. assisted suicide law in Oregon by the out of control ninth circuit court and the Massachusetts legalization of homosexual marriage will have a backlash. November is coming.
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I think Dr. assisted suicide is fine, as long as the person requests it, if ur alll messed up and really dont wana live anymore, whats the point in living.
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Originally posted by MaddDog
I think Dr. assisted suicide is fine, as long as the person requests it, if ur alll messed up and really dont wana live anymore, whats the point in living.
Our world views are very different so on that note. *sniff* I slowly swim away.
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Originally posted by MaddDog
I doubt in alota those countrys people get fair trials etc.
Be sure to include the US in the list of "not a fair trial." There are too many prisoners who have been released from death row because of dna evidence (convicted before dna technology was common.)
I'm 100% in favor of the death penalty if the trial is fair and an honest effort has been made to clear the accused.
It's a given that we're going to execute innocent people. I've always thought of the innocents as victims of war. If a war is waged against you, then you fight. Yes, innocents will die, but the alternative is worse.
curly
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What goes around comes around. It would certainly amaze me if any of these alleged innocents ended up on death row as a first offense punishment. I could be wrong as I often am though.
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Yes, innocents will die, but the alternative is worse.
curly
What would Jesus do?
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Originally posted by Seeker
What would Jesus do?
Bah... he was one of those liberal wusses... :)
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Originally posted by Seeker
What would Jesus do?
They have no arguement. One wrongfull death makes us as bad as a dictatorship. Humans are to prone to failure, even with due process, to declare who dies and who lives.
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Originally posted by storch
The pendulum swings both ways. Let's hope it's reaching the apex of the swing to left. Stuff like this, the recent upholding of the horrific Dr. assisted suicide law in Oregon by the out of control ninth circuit court and the Massachusetts legalization of homosexual marriage will have a backlash. November is coming.
"horrific"? What's horrific about someone choosing to die a quick painless death at the time of their choosing, rather than suffer a terminal disease through its final stages?
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Originally posted by SOB
"horrific"? What's horrific about someone choosing to die a quick painless death at the time of their choosing, rather than suffer a terminal disease through its final stages?
We have divergent world views
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OK, then don't request a physician assisted suicide...easy enough.
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Originally posted by AKcurly
It's a given that we're going to execute innocent people. I've always thought of the innocents as victims of war. If a war is waged against you, then you fight. Yes, innocents will die, but the alternative is worse.
curly
Is it worse? Crime rates are multitudes lower in "wussy liberal states".
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Originally posted by SOB
OK, then don't request a physician assisted suicide...easy enough.
Be reasonable see it my way, after all you've been wrong before.
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curly... your not a liberal your just confused and in transition.
lazs
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Originally posted by mora
Is it worse? Crime rates are multitudes lower in "wussy liberal states".
I suspect you're comparing apples and oranges. What percentage of Finns are first or second generation Finns?
The US has a wide range of ethnic backgrounds present. We have tremendous variations in income levels.
The entire discussion is filled with doubt, errors in judgment and confusion. There are very few facts present.
I know two facts:
1. If person X wantonly kills person Y and is consequently executed by the state, person X will not kill again.
2. If you are religious (I'm not,) then killing someone is harmless to the individual; you're simply placing his fate in the hands of his creator.
curly
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Originally posted by lazs2
curly... your not a liberal your just confused and in transition.
lazs
Is that what's wrong with me? Damn, I thought it was constipation. :)
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
I suspect you're comparing apples and oranges. What percentage of Finns are first or second generation Finns?
The US has a wide range of ethnic backgrounds present. We have tremendous variations in income levels.
The entire discussion is filled with doubt, errors in judgment and confusion. There are very few facts present.
I know two facts:
1. If person X wantonly kills person Y and is consequently executed by the state, person X will not kill again.
2. If you are religious (I'm not,) then killing someone is harmless to the individual; you're simply placing his fate in the hands of his creator.
curly
Fact 1. If the point of the death penalty served as a deterrent. Then death row would be empty. It isn't so the death penalty doesn't work. X won't kill again if he's in prison for life either.
Fact 2. That is very true. Some religious people often seem to use that to justify killing, notably Islamic terrorists.
But the Commandment says: 'Thou shalt not kill'
It doesn't say: 'Thou shalt not kill except in the following situation........
The death penalty is legal murder and all about revenge. No more than that.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Fact 1. If the point of the death penalty served as a deterrent. Then death row would be empty. It isn't so the death penalty doesn't work. X won't kill again if he's in prison for life either.
Fact 2. That is very true. Some religious people often seem to use that to justify killing, notably Islamic terrorists.
But the Commandment says: 'Thou shalt not kill'
It doesn't say: 'Thou shalt not kill except in the following situation........
The death penalty is legal murder and all about revenge. No more than that.
Actually it says "You shall not murder" killing is perfectly fine. Exodus Chapter 20 verse 13 New International Version of the Bible. sorry but you are wrong.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=118266&referrerid=3203
:D
Dead thread? It takes me to the main menu.
ravs