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Title: Tillman death
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on May 29, 2004, 04:13:46 AM: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0529tillman29.html
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Steve on May 29, 2004, 05:47:48 AM: No doubt this will secretly(or publicly) please some people on this board.
Title: Tillman death
Post by: CyranoAH on May 29, 2004, 09:51:23 AM: What difference does it make anyway? He was there doing his job, bullets flying in every direction. Being killed by friendly fire doesn't take anything from his actions.

Daniel
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Yeager on May 29, 2004, 01:05:35 PM: I salute this soldier and every soldier past present and future of the United States of America.

The greatest Nation on this Earth EVAR!!!!!

>-----S - A - L - U - T - E-----<
Title: Tillman death
Post by: rpm on May 29, 2004, 01:10:31 PM: Tillman was no less the hero because he was hit by friendly fire. He was a hero for his actions.
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Post by: Sandman on May 29, 2004, 01:57:49 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Steve
No doubt this will secretly(or publicly) please some people on this board.

You're just looking for reasons to hate people.
Title: Tillman death
Post by: NUKE on May 29, 2004, 02:03:25 PM: Posting a link with no comment or opinion should be a bannable offense. In a lot of cases it's equivlent to trolling.
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Post by: Steve on May 29, 2004, 02:33:49 PM: Quote
You're just looking for reasons to hate people.

Close. I'm trying to shame/preempt the people that hate.
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Maverick on May 29, 2004, 02:38:47 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Steve
Close. I'm trying to shame/preempt the people that hate.

Steve,

Unfortunately you are assuming they have the ability to feel shame or regret for thier words / actions. I fear that assumption, for several here, does not apply. for trying.

A very sincere ~~for Tillman's actions. This weekend it's very appropriate that we remember his and all other soldiers memories.~~
Title: Tillman death
Post by: storch on May 29, 2004, 02:47:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by rpm371
Tillman was no less the hero because he was hit by friendly fire. He was a hero for his actions.

I agree, should I be worried?
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Sandman on May 29, 2004, 02:48:24 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Steve
Close. I'm trying to shame/preempt the people that hate.

Careful... someone might mistake you for one of them. ;)
Title: Steve
Post by: Silat on May 29, 2004, 02:59:42 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Steve
Close. I'm trying to shame/preempt the people that hate.

You must be talking about the fanatical conservatives ?

Or the fanatical liberals? :)

;)
Title: Tillman death
Post by: cpxxx on May 29, 2004, 03:05:59 PM: It doesn't matter how he died. He was doing his duty serving his country.

Too bad the Steve and others have once again used his death to score points on a bulletin board. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Vector on May 29, 2004, 03:49:21 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Yeager
... The greatest Nation on this Earth EVAR!!!!!

Everyone has right for their opinion.

Not to minimize Tillman's sacrifice, !

-Vector
Title: Tillman death
Post by: storch on May 29, 2004, 03:59:09 PM: Come now, see it our way. spelling errors and all.
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Steve on May 29, 2004, 05:02:26 PM: Quote
Too bad the Steve and others have once again used his death to score points on a bulletin board

Score points? lol. Do you always talk out of your arse or is this a special occasion?
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Vector on May 29, 2004, 05:03:36 PM: Quote
Originally posted by storch
Come now, see it our way. spelling errors and all.

Was that for me? If yes; I don't care of any spelling errors, but the message itself...

-Vector
Title: Double
Post by: Nilsen on May 29, 2004, 05:34:57 PM: Didnt think this story could get any more sad :(

Army finds Tillman probably killed by friendly fire:

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/US/05/29/tillman.report/index.html
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Post by: DiabloTX on May 29, 2004, 05:41:13 PM: Already a thread here about it Nil.
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Post by: Nilsen on May 29, 2004, 05:41:56 PM: ok sorry....getting tired, way past my naptime
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Post by: DiabloTX on May 29, 2004, 05:43:08 PM: Yeah, must be. I don't know how you can sleep with the baby now...or is she not in the "crying at all hours" mode yet?

;)
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Nilsen on May 29, 2004, 05:44:53 PM: very quiet actually.. they are both sleeping now and i have some time to myself tinkering with the puter and looking for mr black
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Post by: SunTracker on May 29, 2004, 05:49:33 PM: It makes a difference to me. Being killed by friendly fire is horrible. Much worse than dying from an enemy bullet.

According to Colonel David Hackworth, when he worked at the Pentagon, 15-20% of small arms wounds in Vietnam were caused by friendly fire.
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Post by: VOR on May 29, 2004, 06:13:47 PM: Quote
Originally posted by SunTracker
According to Colonel David Hackworth, when he worked at the Pentagon, 15-20% of small arms wounds in Vietnam were caused by friendly fire.

It's been a problem ever since armies quit facing off against each other in nice, neat rows. Modern battlefields are so fluid this kind of thing is *almost* impossible to prevent entirely. It's an unfortunate part of warfare, but it's to be expected.
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Post by: ravells on May 29, 2004, 06:22:11 PM: Schaden....nothing about your post, but you missed a bloody good piss up on Friday.

Ravs
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Post by: Sixpence on May 29, 2004, 11:13:55 PM: I believe our P51D(in aces high) is painted to honor a pilot who was killed by an m16. He was chasing a 190 and the m16 fired on him by mistake. Plz don't take that as fact, I thought that was what I read. I feel bad for the person(s) that fired, too, it must be a horrible feeling.
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Post by: storch on May 29, 2004, 11:51:15 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Sixpence
I believe our P51D(in aces high) is painted to honor a pilot who was killed by an m16. He was chasing a 190 and the m16 fired on him by mistake. Plz don't take that as fact, I thought that was what I read. I feel bad for the person(s) that fired, too, it must be a horrible feeling.

Thats right. Maj. George Preddy the top P51 Ace. KIA 25/12/44 friendly fire as you described.
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Regular on May 30, 2004, 12:45:14 AM: fat jock killed. bahh.
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Post by: NUKE on May 30, 2004, 12:46:03 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Regular
fat jock killed. bahh.

what?
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Post by: Sandman on May 30, 2004, 12:59:47 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Regular
fat jock killed. bahh.

That bait is very stinky...
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Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on May 30, 2004, 01:42:22 AM: Quote
Originally posted by ravells
Schaden....nothing about your post, but you missed a bloody good piss up on Friday.

Ravs

Yeah sorry about that - had to go to bloody Devon to fetch my car! Fuel pump died, but not before filing down huge qtys of itself and depositing them all over the fuel system - thank God for warranties!!
Title: Tillman death
Post by: AKIron on May 30, 2004, 01:48:12 AM: Quote
Originally posted by rpm371
Tillman was no less the hero because he was hit by friendly fire. He was a hero for his actions.

Well said and nothing left to say.
Title: Tillman death
Post by: lada on May 30, 2004, 04:07:42 AM: when people die because someone in clean office belive to do good things, its sad

even more sad, when they admit to be missinformed and they do not carry any responsibility.

death of every person, who die for ideas,belief of someone else is futile
Title: Tillman death
Post by: capt. apathy on May 30, 2004, 05:11:16 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Steve
No doubt this will secretly(or publicly) please some people on this board.

really? who? I can't think of anyone who would find joy in finding out he was killed by friendly fire.

and

quote:
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Originally posted by rpm371
Tillman was no less the hero because he was hit by friendly fire. He was a hero for his actions.
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absolutely, very well put
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Duedel on May 30, 2004, 05:37:52 AM: Quote
Originally posted by cpxxx
It doesn't matter how he died. He was doing his duty serving his country.

Too bad the Steve and others have once again used his death to score points on a bulletin board. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Very well said cpxxx
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Post by: deSelys on May 30, 2004, 05:45:57 AM: Very well said rpm.

~~again, Mr Tillman.~~
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Creamo on May 30, 2004, 07:17:13 AM: Duty? His duty was to his family, to come home every night, not searching for adventure.

This is not WWII.
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Post by: culero on May 30, 2004, 08:20:38 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Creamo
Duty? His duty was to his family, to come home every night, not searching for adventure.

This is not WWII.

I recall that family is what Tillman said motivated him to drop his NFL career to join the Army - to be specific, he didn't see it as right to stay home and play football while his brother (already a Ranger) went to Afghanistan to fight.

Sounds to me more like a man seeking to do his duty as his family saw it than an adventurer.

culero
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Creamo on May 30, 2004, 08:47:55 AM: What?
Title: Tillman death
Post by: culero on May 30, 2004, 09:08:39 AM: Tillman's brother was already a Ranger, and slotted to go to Afghanistan after 9/11, when Tillman dropped out of the NFL to join the Army.

I'm saying it sounds more like him standing by his family than seeking adventure.

culero
Title: Tillman death
Post by: Creamo on May 30, 2004, 09:50:08 AM: Ok, fair enough.

I don't see how he did anything but make it ultimately worse, but alright.
Title: Tillman death
Post by: capt. apathy on May 30, 2004, 10:45:54 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Creamo
OK, fair enough.

I don't see how he did anything but make it ultimately worse, but alright.

I imagine the way he saw it is that if he pitched the job could get done sooner and his brother would be at-risk for a lesser amount of time.

personally I have no problem with the war on terrorism, it's the Iraq invasion that I have a problem with (no matter how to tie the two together, Afghanistan is the war on terror, Iraq still hasn't been tied to 9/11) but even still the justness of the war is irrelevant when talking about the honor and heroism of the soldiers.

Also, Tillman didn't sign on during the Iraq invasion, he joined up before that when we where dealing with Afghanistan, where the people who attacked our country where supported and their leaders HQ'd.

IMO he didn't sign on for glory or a chance to kill some people, he signed on to serve his country and maybe help bring his brother home sooner.

no matter what Bush and his administration did to drag us into Iraq, we shouldn't let politics tarnish the honor of the men who did their duty.

Tillman was a hero.
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Post by: cpxxx on May 31, 2004, 09:18:59 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Steve
Score points? lol. Do you always talk out of your arse or is this a special occasion?

You ought to know as you seem to specialise in the practice.
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Post by: storch on May 31, 2004, 09:38:56 AM: Quote
Originally posted by cpxxx
You ought to know as you seem to specialise in the practice.

LOL, do they all have to degenerate to this?
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Post by: cpxxx on May 31, 2004, 10:12:17 AM: Quote
Originally posted by storch
LOL, do they all have to degenerate to this?

Probably, it started as with the second post and I let myself be sucked in as did a few others.