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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Yeager on March 03, 2000, 02:12:00 PM
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Torque, I am curious about a few things. Please dont consider this an evaluation meant to critique. Rather, consider it a technical evaluation meant to develope better insight into your particular flying and fighting style.
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Typically, when you first log into the arena, what do you do? (please be specific, try to identify those procedures that you do by reflex...look at map, look at roster etc etc)
Typcially, do you restrict yourself to a single plane type?
Typically, do you restrict yourself to a particular loadout? (weapons, fuel)
Typically, once you are OTR, how would you describe an average sortie on the merits of the flight profile? (describe as if you were writing a mission debrief).
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Fianlly, do not be intimidated by my request. I admire your style and success. I simply wish to capture a brief glimps of your mental picture online in AH as an educational matter.
If you prefer, please email your information to me privately. I will not abuse the trust that a personal email would demonstrate.
tallyhoe@nwlink.com
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Yeager
[This message has been edited by Yeager (edited 03-03-2000).]
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ROFLMAO!
I thought Perry Mason got killed flyin a P38. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Or was that Della Street?
Hang
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LoL.
Yes, and would you be willing to submit to providing a urine sample before each flight to rule out the use of performance enhancing chemicals?
Wab
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I have wondered too.
Much of this can be found in the score page, however. In tour 1 he flew over 90% of his sorties in the F4U 1C.
2551 kills, 566 deaths, total.
2398 kills in F4U 1C, 464 deaths in F4U 1C.
Also a little N1K, C-47, and buff time.
I suspect his method is to fly smart, and well. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
eskimo
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That Sonzabish can shoot too! I have had alt on him several times and as I roll over to dive on his six some well placed 20MM removes the rear of my aircraft. I find it REALLY Aggrivating.
Alot like getting into an E-Fight with Hitech in a Pony. I haven't run into HT in a 38 but I suspect I will.
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Lincoln "Downtown" Brown.
lkbrown1@tir.com
http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1 (http://www.tir.com/~lkbrown1)
Wrecking Crews "Drag and Die Guy"
Hals und beinbruch!
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Typically, when you first log into the arena, what do you do?
Squelch a few people on login that is about it.
Typically, do you restrict yourself to a single plane type?
I only fly Hawg now. AC just seems to blend well with me, plus I luv the forward view in Hawg (nice and clean no struts to obscure anything)
Typically, do you restrict yourself to a particular loadout? (weapons, fuel)
Full tank on a clear field, half tank on a vulched field, guns both at 500 Conv.
Typically, once you are OTR, how would you describe an average sortie on the merits of the flight profile?
Heh, check that all my bodyparts are still attached, change my shorts. There is no real average sortie (probably why I have a joystick monkey on my back).
I simply wish to capture a brief glimpse of your mental picture online in AH as an educational matter.
I just try to stay fast and dynamic especially with alot of bogeys around.
Big Blue trimmed at 350 IAS is a mean machine. The all-important Situational Awareness comes into play. Hence my post on board about View Modes. The ability to draw a 3D-image map in your head of all pertinent cons is a plus.
Actually to tell the truth the things that helped me to be a better pilot are, you ready (rollerblading, skateboarding, skiing, kickboxing, and owning a pellet gun when I was a kid). Weird eh.. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
The first three help in the dynamics of a dogfight, the fourth focus all my strengths on opponent’s weakness, the fifth on cannon drop and hi-deflections shots.
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*takes notes...* Ok, I'm off to buy that pellet gun...
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[This message has been edited by Saintaw (edited 03-04-2000).]
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Thanks buddy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Yeager
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Torque
"You'll shoot your eye out"
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LOL that and having Citabria as a wingman helps (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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CitabriAirbatiC
"There Is No Spoon"
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ill say one thing you aint never taken off from a vulched field in your yellow assed life you vulcher/augerin scorehog.
you run from a fight 100% of the time and all repeat all of you kills are based on a mistake in the hogs flight model and your patented "let my wingman get it so i can set um up" move,
ohh im sorry your most numeraly succesfull manuver is the "forever hammerhead a hog at 1k " where he gets over a spawn point and some how dives in pulls up to a hammerhead and repetas ad infinitum. why ? who knows ,got hit to much as a kid or mama dressed him up as a girl but it is all he does pull ths same 2 or 3 tricks religiously and auger if you got him simple sucessful and cold clean yellow not to be mentioned in the same sentence with mitsu hang udie and even that bastard wardog they fight for a livin and help their wingy ( well maby not always wardog , but he flies a 51 what can he do hehe).
i felt it i said it and yea i will back it up
(i aint kiddin i personaly dislike this quake wannabe game ruiner)
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lol, You're right torque they dont like it when ya kill em and stay in a position where they cant kill you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Zoh, Towd, chust lie on za nice couch zhere.
Towd, how long haf yu had zees feelings?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Towd-
Chill out, please. There is no reason for this type of vehement personal attack to be placed publicly. E-mail him directly if you feel the need, but this is like the open channel harrassment we sometimes see from people. You aren't doing anything but bringing discredit to yourself. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
The truth of the matter is I've flown with/against Torque, and there is a simple truth; he's really good. I have seen him buried deep amidst multiple bogies near the apron of an enemy field. I've seen him in WB's do exactly the same thing. If you try and HO him he will hit you. If you turn your back he will kill you.
Torque and I have exchanged words before too, but you know what? He really is a pretty nice guy, but I had to put aside my competitive nature to see it. Don't you think this grudge you've carried has gone long enough? I think he has been pretty patient with this whole matter from what I've seen, and handled himself with class. Can't you just ignore him if you dislike him so much? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 03-04-2000).]
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Torque is an ok guy, I have talked to him to, its ppit from WB. Checking his stats just give some interesting insights. Its the guns. 6% gunnery isnt wonderful, its average. Mines that to or maybe lower. What helps that is the 1 ping lethality of the 1c, 6% gunnery wont hurt if all ya need to do is land 1 ping. The enormous sortie totals dont hurt either. I have been steamed many a times by the hawg HO's, but I have also done it many times to. I cant fault a guy for using something that HT and pyro put into the game. The 1c IMHO was a mistake to add, opens a whole can of worms on limited production aircraft being put into the game. Its all good, just a game. If ya must just hunt bish hawgs. You know your in for a fight then.
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Dnil
902nd Immortal Jaguars
Part time aircraft restorer
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Towd,
I've got an awful lot of respect for you as a pilot, you've turned tables on me many times. However, I'd say the same for torque..I've never been vulched by him, I've bounced him least 20-30 times and died almost every one of em...I've never encountered a more deadly opponent.
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LOL TOWD... can't handle a little butt kicking heh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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I've seen the name Torque plenty of times in the kill buffer, when my ride has mysteriously vapourized, but I only recall seeing the name Towd in the whining, er...common channel, lambasting some poor sod for not complying with his notion of how this game is played.
'Nuf said.
-Heckel
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Well now,
I've mainly flown against -torq- in WB ACA, and on occasion with him, to be honest I'd rather fly against him, when he's on your side it's to hard to get kills..........
Now, -torq- and I have gone HO a few times (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) and for the most part it was a M.A.D. situation Mutual Assured Destruction
-torq- would grab alt in a B-n-Z plane and fly it as it was meant to be flown....does that make him a vulcher? NO! it made him a worthy opponent!
Can't tell ya how many times I would seek out -torq- because the simple truth is when ya kill him, ya really felt like ya'd accomplished sumthin.
I'd rather have a tough opponent to test myself against, than some ack-less field with no talent dweebs lined up like lemmings waiting for me to strafe em, and I'm willing to bet that the rest of ya feel the same way.
So <SALUTE> -torq-
I'm VERY SERIOUSLY considering opening a AH account and when I do I look forward to shootin' at ya again like in the ACA days! :}
BTW Kieren miss U in the ACA also!
Check SIX!
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[This message has been edited by milnko (edited 03-04-2000).]
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Torque..
hes a wus...
Ask him about the time I took him down HO..
both in f4s..
Me a Bf109F4
him a F4u1c...
Towd
I can understand how ya feel. Most of us honestly have fealt the frustration of bouncing Torque and having it not turn out very well. Most of us have thought...That always works against a low F4...why not now.
I have sworn at the guy over RW in the past.
But I looked at the film. It is quite simple really. A picture is worth a thousand words.
I would say that If he behaves predictibly surly that is a real advantage for us.
I have not had the honer as much recently..but he had the benifit of good wingy cover the last time we met...or I would have had him..
I dont know a Wrecking Crew member or a Mouskiteer that dousnt love to go after him.
Birdman once told me at great length about how he got Torque...It was a riot to listen to..I said thats as good as it gets...to get the better of tourque. Then he said...Well he got me 6 times that night..
But man was he proud of that 1...
Most of us see torque as one of THE experten here..I hope you are wrong and he is not coning us, on the film of my fights I watched..he was just more clued in..He hits on every snapshot...that adds up.
And I beat him HO in a 109f4...not a recomended passtime for you kids...
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The Wrecking Crew
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Coooome to the dark side..... coooome to the dark siiiiiiiide....
....iyamyerfaaaaaahhhhhhhther rrrrr.......
Wait a minute! Things look bright over here! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Walk into the liiiiiight! We even have By-Tor sniffing around now! Walk into the liiiiiight! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Towd..
you need only 1 thing...
A wingman, who can actually stand flying with you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
80% of the time im up ill wing with Torque, He gas good ACM skills, Good SA , and the 1 thing you lack, A good personality (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Oh,and he calls 6s & clears you if he can ..
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heh i lack a personality i like that one .
well wardog next time your flyin look at the other 3 guys that are always flyin your wing the same 3 you will leave in a min to save your own harry butt,ive seen you do it
i almost always fly alone and yea its hard to kill you pack hunters.
but i do it all the time and usualy not from 30 k like your own personall little mongle hord . (is this wining in your dictionary ?, well yea wining being any thing you dont like)
i routenly go into disadvantagious positions tho help others that are gettin hit by these tactical wonders. and i fight bases when the cause is lost. yea i could hang in the crowd and haul bellybutton when the situation turns aginst us but then again i would not get the practice fightin out of bad situations ,i like fightin out of bad situations yall like killin without risk we will never understand each other.
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Well I got to tell ya, Torque has been a blast to fly against and if and when I get lucky enough to kill him, its like bagging a trophy buck. I had some words with him one day, but heck that was just having fun. One of the things Ive always admired him for is the way he gets down into a dangerous area and weaves in and out, taking out an enemy(or two,or three, ect..) and somehow miraculously getting away. I like to know where he is if possible. I also keep an eye out for aper. hehee
JagdNine (Musketeers Escadrille)
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Originally posted by -towd_:
i almost always fly alone and yea its hard to kill you pack hunters.
but i do it all the time and usualy not from 30 k like your own personall little mongle hord . (is this wining in your dictionary ?, well yea wining being any thing you dont like)
i routenly go into disadvantagious positions tho help others that are gettin hit by these tactical wonders. and i fight bases when the cause is lost. yea i could hang in the crowd and haul bellybutton when the situation turns aginst us but then again i would not get the practice fightin out of bad situations ,i like fightin out of bad situations yall like killin without risk we will never understand each other.
That's a good point, but it still says people are just using real tactics that work, and the result is kills, not deaths.
Of course, in order to see who is a better "Dogfighter", why not go into the special events arena, and do a best of 5 cold pass 1V1 at equal alts? I'm really surprised there isn't a tournament already started for this type of thing. If HTC set it up, maybe we'd all know who was a vulch hound or can really fly the paint of the vortex generators. Shoot, maybe month free online for top 3 spots! We already have one hella seeding system by rank.
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ROFLMAO! Again!
Nothin like a little rivalry to spice up life in the arena.
A few things I've noticed regarding flying 'in a pack' and flying alone. I get killed a lot more in the furballs than I do flying by myself.
Flying alone; I have complete control of the situation, have no other concerns in the fight beyond that of preservation of my own striped ass. I can disengage and depart from a fight with no worries or stay till my guns run dry or I get overwhelmed. I enjoy flying singleton sometimes and often do pretty well cruising as a loner. But thats only one small aspect of the game that can be played.
When team flying; I'm no longer just responsible to myself.. Suddenly, there's a much larger picture I'm painted into; and the situation changes every damn moment. Huge demands are made on SA; and preservation of your squadie or countryman are far more important that your own striped ass.. so you tend to do things very diffrently. And get dead a hell of a lot more often. Sometimes, depending on the skills of others is tantamount to sigining your own death warrant. I'll toss my hat into the ring with Torques any day.. he's always come back ta clear my six. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And amazing things can happen when you fly as a team.. Case in point.. we (the 357th Pony Express) set off to take a few fields last night. The bishops as a whole seemed to pull together and a two front war was launched on the knits and the rooks simultaneously. We messed up on timing; disco's; mountains; (THUD) comm's and a variety of other things.. nothin seemed to go right initially. But within 3 hours; we'd forced one reset, captured 9 fields; wiped out both HQ's; leveled a city (twice) hammered a refinery; an ammo complex; went back and trashed the HQ again (who knew they got a HQ ack on a track??) and generally had a blast tearin up the map.
The Point?? Gaming the game... playing ALL of it; flat out 100% can be one hell of a lotta fun. That's what keeps me commin back. Not sibling rivarlry, but the synergy of success as a team.
Hang
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[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 03-05-2000).]
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Torque must be laffin his arse off over this thread.
In Towds defence, the other night I came upon Torque, co-alt, he was in an F4 think I was in a G10 with pods, he ran into the cover of ack, sat there for ages. Stuck his nose out every now and then to take a d1.8 potshot.
He basically hid in the ack until some of his countrymen turned up, soon as I engaged them he came racing out to try and grab the kill.
I'm here for the entertainment, scores schmlores. Sooner or later he'll get bored doing that all night. I never judge a pilot by his score, only by his 1v1. And theres plenty better (Yeager) who aren't score dweebs who _can_ legitimately whip my butt.
<Salute> to the pilots who engage for the fight, not the score!
-vlkn- in
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Dont hate me because I'm beautiful.........
Torque is frustrating, I'll give ya that, but only because he shoots well and normally fights from a position of advantage. This isn't a bad thing, unless you are his opponent.
TOWD, you have nothing to squeak about. He is better than you, thats just the way it is. Vultching is a way of life, learn to deal with it. Everyone does it. Some better than others. Kinda sounds like you are unhappy because your skill isnt equal to your ego.
Dont blame Torque for that. Learn to takeoff from a distant field, if none are free of cons, log off. Simple answer.
Dago
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Yeager, I just wana know one thing. How much cash did torque slip you under the table to start this tread? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
And as for you TOWD, who keeps forcing you to take off from fields that have no AAA and are swarming with enemy over head? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
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better that me cool, neutral planes 3 out of 5 and we will see, and mitsu is much better tham me and several others but that is it torque aint one
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Towd, who cares?
If your intent in the attacks (on someone who doesn't even respond to them for that matter) here and in the arena are to prove you're the better man, you're failing miserably.
Fatty
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Hehehehe he raised alot of hell in WB's under his PPIT handle (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) The guys running it followed him around makeing sure he had'nt hacked the game (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) LOL I've flown against him a bunch and with or without numbers on either side. He's good but if you shoot straight and fly tight you can take him. Ppit was always an Ho'er and always will be one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Just say NO! to HO!! People love to hate the good guys <S> Always had fun with him myself...
LLBM OUT!!!!!!!!!!
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Vulcan.. yah crack me up.
If I was to come upon you with a significant altitude advantage; were yah goin?? Up in to my guns?? Suicide. No freakin way.
And runnin to acks when out numbered or out of E against high opponents is not a dumb move. See the above paragraph.
Neither Towd or Torque need our 'defense' here. They fly and die just like u and me... with all the tools in hand; and we use all them tools to the best advantage to WIN or die tryin. It don't matter if the tool is an ack battery; a mountain side or friendlies in yer area. It's there; use it. Ain't a damn bit of shame in it.
The rest is just BBS noise.
Hang
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Lets see, he fights from a position of advantage and disengages when he loses it. Sounds like Torque is modeled historically accurate to me.
Give it a rest, Towd. Fly your plane, enjoy the game, don't worry about the other guy. Life's too short to spend it engaged in a pissing contest that you're losing (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Gordo
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LMAO no i'd say that Torques gunnery is *UBER*modelled, good one Lance (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
<S> Torque see ya up there !
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Yep, ppit/torque is a real threat when you meet him. Yes, he does hide in the ack ocassionally(he drug me into it once, to my demise). But, you also have the choice of not following him into the ack, too.
But, there's no denying that he is a good pilot, especially flying with the very effective guns of AH.
For me, he's turning into the eman of Warbirds....someone I want to shoot down just once before I retire. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S!> Torque, ya bastage!
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banana
**MOL** (Men of Leisure)
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hehe its not the gunnery, its the guns. 6% is what I would call average. The 1c's guns only require 1 ping it seems to kill things. Its the snapshot monster.
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Dnil
902nd Immortal Jaguars
Part time aircraft restorer
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I had the pleasure (dis-pleasure?) of meeting Torque 3 times Friday night. The first time I was flying a 205 and low and behold, a f4u appears 10k above me. Soon I find myself facing the inevitable and after spending my alt, end up in a HO. Torque wins round one. Flight two was in a F4u-1c. This time I guaranteed myself I would have the advantage. After circling our base for about 10 minutes, 2 dots appear on my 3. They are co-alt with me, but don't seem to be heading right at me. Just then they both dove down on a pair of my countrymates who were frantically clawing for altitude at the time. I rolled the big blue beast inverted and headed right at the first dot. It was a p51, but ahead of me, an F4u. The f4u was calmly making passes at one of my teammates and didn't seem to know I was there. I pulled up into a high Yo-yo to get inside him and at 300 yds away I opened fire. Instantly the f4 exploded. Sure enough, it was Torque. Somehow I had managed to get on his 6 at the very instant he was
shooting at one of my wingmen. Immediately I checked my 6, to be sure the p51 wasn't heading for me. Fortunately for me, along came hblair (I think (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ) in his 109 and blew the p51 out of the sky. (The p51 was WD ... someone I have been unable to beat for quite sometime now. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) ) With the bishes out of the sector temporarily, I began the slow process of getting the f4 back up to 20k. Not long after I had regained my alt, along comes another f4. I set up on his 6 using my altitude advantage and began a steep dive. Soon we were both streaking toward the ground at 500+ mph. I managed to land a few hits on the f4's left wing, but it didn't seem damaged. Just then the sound of metal bending kicked in, so I knew I had to pull out or die. I managed to trim myself out of the dive and I immediately went into a steep zoom climb. Just then I heard a crunch and both my elevators and rudder were gone. I was almost able to ditch, but at the last second the plane rolled over and the screen went red. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) Torque
had gotten me again. I have to give him credit for the most amazing shot I've ever seen. Somehow he managed to pull out of his dive at an even lower altitude than me, and still manage to hit me with 1k of separation on my FE. The shot was even more incredible considering that he most likely had aileron damage to his left wing. Torque wins round 3 by making the most incredible snap shot I've yet seen. Of course I gave him a for somehow managing to get me when I had a clear advantage. Not to be left out of the fun, my ISP decided it was time for a disco, and of course my computer locked when it happened, eliminating the chance for a round 4.
to you Torque, you really know how to fly that hog.
bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS
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When I was in my second or third day on AH, I called Torque in private asking how the hell could he do those 7-8-9 kill streaks...he answered me that was practice and invited me to join in his aircraft. unluckily for me I was rook and he of course, Bishcuit (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) so I couldnt join him. But the simple fact that he invited me to do shows he is no hacker.
Torque you are probably the best pilot in this arena, and that may be the origin of some hates. I want to <S> you as the #1 you are...one of my greatest moments in this sim was the only time I killed you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I fully respect you, not like some others that simply whine when they see so many kills.
<S> again, man. I hope to kill you again soon (its only a hope (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
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Ram, out
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[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 03-07-2000).]
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TOWD...I have nothing personal against you...Just be quite.
As for you Torque...It's all in the E...of course those guns cant hurt either (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Cyas Up!
Rude Out!