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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on May 30, 2004, 12:59:20 PM
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http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101040607-644112,00.html?cnn=yes
When Saddam Hussein was rousted from his spider hole in Dawr, a town near Tikrit, by U.S. soldiers last December, Iraq's fallen dictator was clutching a pistol. He is now in detention at an undisclosed location, being questioned by American authorities and awaiting charges for war atrocities and crimes against humanity. But what ever happened to the pistol?
The sidearm has made its way to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Sources say that the military had the pistol mounted after the soldiers seized it from Saddam and that it was then presented to the President privately by some of the troops who played a key role in ferreting out the old tyrant. Though it was widely reported at the time that the pistol was loaded when they grabbed Saddam, Bush has told visitors that the gun was empty—and that it is still empty and safe to touch. "He really liked showing it off," says a recent visitor to the White House who has seen the gun. "He was really proud of it."
The pistol's new place of residence is in the small study next to the Oval Office where Bush takes select visitors after pointing out better-known White House pieces like the busts of Winston Churchill and Dwight D. Eisenhower and a watercolor called A Charge to Keep, which gets its name from a Methodist hymn. The study—the one where Bill Clinton held some of his infamous trysts with White House intern Monica Lewinsky—has become a place where Bush keeps the memorabilia that hold special significance for him. Another of the room's mementos: a photograph of special-forces soldiers in Afghanistan praying after burying a piece of the World Trade Center there as a tribute to those who died in the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.
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I think he is a good president, and look forward to 4 more years.
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I think a village in Texas is missing its idiot.
:D
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Originally posted by Sandman
I think a village in Texas is missing its idiot.
:D
I think I don't care what the Bush / US haters on this board think of this admin and its actions to date .....
they just have to get ready for another 4 years of it :)
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It's no fun playing empire if you don't get to keep a few mementos.
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Nothing wrong with taking pride in a material object that represents a moral victory.
Seriously, I blame the Greeks. ****ing Olympics and their childish "Medals." Cavemen... with their "pride."
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nothing wrong with a souvenir.
and no reason to make a big deal of it, it's not like Bush hasn't
provided us with plenty of real reasons to dump him in November.
I'd even be OK with him taking it with him when he moves out. (although technically I think I remember something about a law making all gifts received by the president (within the scope of his job) to be the property of the gov't and not the pres. but if he'll go, I'll be OK with him taking that with.
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Originally posted by Eagler
I think I don't care what the Bush / US haters on this board think of this admin and its actions to date .....
they just have to get ready for another 4 years of it :)
I find it curious that you equate hating Bush to hating the U.S.
It's a load of crap.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I find it curious that you equate hating Bush to hating the U.S.
It's a load of crap.
I dont see him equating the two anywhere.
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Bush/US haters
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Originally posted by Eagler
I think I don't care what the Bush / US haters on this board think of this admin and its actions to date .....
they just have to get ready for another 4 years of it :)
Bush "haters" and and US "haters" are not the same - I think Bush is an idiot and America is going to spend the next 20 years saying "How in hell did we allow this to happen???"
Thinking Bush is a moron/glove puppet manipulated by greedy evil men - Cheney et al does not mean that one hates America - exactly the opposite in fact.
As for four more years - take a look at the polls and smell the coffee and it's going to get a lot worse for the Neo Cons - note I don't say Republicans cause there IS a difference.
As a final thought can you say $50 a barrel for crude? Say thanks to the Bush administration next time you fill up.
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It is a better memento than a stained blue dress.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Bush "haters" and and US "haters" are not the same - I think Bush is an idiot and America is going to spend the next 20 years saying "How in hell did we allow this to happen???"
Thinking Bush is a moron/glove puppet manipulated by greedy evil men - Cheney et al does not mean that one hates America - exactly the opposite in fact.
As for four more years - take a look at the polls and smell the coffee and it's going to get a lot worse for the Neo Cons - note I don't say Republicans cause there IS a difference.
As a final thought can you say $50 a barrel for crude? Say thanks to the Bush administration next time you fill up.
Amen to that!
Originally posted by sandman
I think a village in Texas is missing its idiot.
The village missing it's idiot is in Connetticut, not Texas. Imports do not count!
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Originally posted by rpm371
The village missing it's idiot is in Connetticut, not Texas. Imports do not count!
Bush is from Connetticut?
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
Bush/US haters
Exactly.
If he was equating the two, he would have posted Bush = US haters.
As far as I can see, he seperated them.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Bush is from Connetticut?
Born and raised.
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Bush is doing a moderately fair job as president, with some reservations I will probably give him my approval for another four years.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Bush "haters" and and US "haters" are not the same - I think Bush is an idiot and America is going to spend the next 20 years saying "How in hell did we allow this to happen???"
Thinking Bush is a moron/glove puppet manipulated by greedy evil men - Cheney et al does not mean that one hates America - exactly the opposite in fact.
As for four more years - take a look at the polls and smell the coffee and it's going to get a lot worse for the Neo Cons - note I don't say Republicans cause there IS a difference.
As a final thought can you say $50 a barrel for crude? Say thanks to the Bush administration next time you fill up.
Bush will lose?
Polls this far out are not reliable.
As for blaming Bush for high oil prices....just proves your a simpleton.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Bush is from Connetticut?
Originally apparently - he's a Texan transplant.
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Originally posted by rpm371
Born and raised.
Hmmm... his biography says he grew up in Midland, Texas but was born in New Haven, Conn.
Of course, his biography also states that he served in the Texas Air National Guard. ;)
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I dont hate the US and i dont hate Bush either. I dont know him well enough to hate him. I do know that he is a danger to America and the rest of the world, and thats why I would prefer it if he leaves.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I dont hate the US and i dont hate Bush either. I dont know him well enough to hate him. I do know that he is a danger to America and the rest of the world, and thats why I would prefer it if he leaves.
Ask him to visit you for a Norweigian rave. Wear your white sweater. oooh the scandal.
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whats this ?
did you run out of space in your ignore list, so you are trying to remove some of death trolls Grun ? :D
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Originally posted by storch
Ask him to visit you for a Norweigian rave. Wear your white sweater. oooh the scandal.
I doubt he would know where norway is, and id like to keep it that way. If he did find his way here, his security guards would outnumber our entire population so all us norwegians would have to wear white sweaters and jump up and down to get his attention :D
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Originally posted by Sandman
Hmmm... his biography says he grew up in Midland, Texas but was born in New Haven, Conn.
Of course, his biography also states that he served in the Texas Air National Guard. ;)
He didn't even move to midland untill his 40's. He did a good job fooling the Texan.
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He's the classic definition of a Carpetbagger. His father was the same way. Sr.'s legal Texas residence was a Houston hotel suite.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
He didn't even move to midland untill his 40's. He did a good job fooling the Texan.
Is fooling Texans particularly hard to achieve?
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I don't know about George, but Laura is a hoot. Anyone see that interview? She is pretty funny.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I dont hate the US and i dont hate Bush either. I dont know him well enough to hate him. I do know that he is a danger to America and the rest of the world, and thats why I would prefer it if he leaves.
Are you prepared for the consequences of him leaving? His sucessor really isn't desirable either ya know.
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Originally posted by Coolridr
Are you prepared for the consequences of him leaving? His sucessor really isn't desirable either ya know.
YOu nailed it right there for me. Boosh is not all that great in my opinion but Kerry seems like a huge step down and that's not saying much.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Is fooling Texans particularly hard to achieve?
What is that supposed to mean? Do you ever have anything to say worth saying here? You seem to be a bitter and negative person.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Exactly.
If he was equating the two, he would have posted Bush = US haters.
As far as I can see, he seperated them.
the '/' as he used it in a sentence means the two are freely interchangeable, that they mean the same thing. it gives you the option to word a sentence so that all can understand it when you are talking about something that is known by different names to people from different areas or backgrounds.
for example if you where talking about a car you could say "it has a 4-cyl gas/petrol engine" since the fuel is known as gas in some parts of the world and petrol in others, that way you don't have several translations of your message (in each language)to allow for the local language differences in every area (or group) that may read your message.
so, back to school with you. I slept through most of English class and got that much out of it.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
... As a final thought can you say $50 a barrel for crude? Say thanks to the Bush administration next time you fill up.
Actually I thank terrorism and greed for the rise in oil prices... mind you $55.00 is not the end of the world for a tank of gas, when I go to Europe, we spend a hell of a lot more, and drive a less desirable vehicle with a smaller tank. If you honestly feel Bush is the problem, maybe you should look into your basic reasoning skills. Gas has been peaking every Northern Hemisperical summer for the last 15 years. Now, with a war going on, Saudi Arabia unaware as to whether they can maintain security (this has been a prob since Gulf War 1) long enough to ensure uniterupted supply, you have a need less panic, and basic greed causing the prices to go up...
Schaden, use your head, your a smart guy... just look past the idiotic hype...
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Not a very good president. Down right disgusting how he is performing. Unfortunately, for this country, we will probably get stuck with him another 4 years. Another 4 years of him and his croonies draining this country's middle class dry.
As a people, not much we can do. Kerry is the other option, which is not good also.
270 million people in this country and we get these two clowns to pick from for our leader.
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And from the right side of the Mongrel House......
Ok president, did very well handling the 9-11 stuff (not perfect but who has ever really dealt with this kind of stuff).
Didn't do anything really to hurt the economy (like Clinton) so it is starting to come around. Unlike some folks I rarely give any president credit for screwing up or fixing an economy, it rarely has much to do with him.
Still not sure what to think about the Iraq stuff. I was over there, I will personally judge it a success based on a bunch of ifffs. At the same time anyone who thinks this could have been fixed by anyone in a short time is an idiot, it took 25 years to screw that country up, it will take a while for it to get back in the right frame.
Overall a fairly good job, a generally honest man who is doing decent. Certainly better than any of his opponents. We could have had a better pick on the Republican side IMHO but we could have had a MUCH better pick on the Dem side (Lieberman).
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I have to disagree. Last time I visited the White House, Bush offered me whiskey, cocaine, his twin daughers along with his wife but never, never offered to show me his pistol.
Wow, I'm drunk right now and you're stupid. Tomorrow I'm be sober. What will you be?
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Originally posted by Swager
Not a very good president. Down right disgusting how he is performing. Unfortunately, for this country, we will probably get stuck with him another 4 years. Another 4 years of him and his croonies draining this country's middle class dry.
As a people, not much we can do. Kerry is the other option, which is not good also.
270 million people in this country and we get these two clowns to pick from for our leader.
you seriously don't believe that hog wash you just posted do you? Are you a union member?
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Woah, look at the big brain on Drunky, quoting Churchill....
Actually, they have been in Texas a while, so they are considered native. I supplied material on Bush seniors house in Houston, and it wasn't built just to enable a tax break, trust me.
Hell, Bush Junior owned the Texas Rangers and was the Governor of the state!
Hillary just got someone to loan her enough money to buy a house in NY so she could become Senator-that is carbetbagging.
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I was asked my opinion, not to debate.
If you want to debate, find some gullible hardcore political drone that will argue so you can both spout off different views of campaign issues and historical character facts. There are many of them here on this board. Im sure you can find one to fit your needs.
But to answer your questions.
Yes, I believe what I posted or else I wouldn't have posted it, and No, I am not union.
Have a nice day! :)
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Originally posted by Lizking
Hillary just got someone to loan her enough money to buy a house in NY so she could become Senator-that is carbetbagging.
and thats different from Chaney changing his residence from Texas to Wyoming(I think, it may have been another state), just days before excepting the the offer to run as VP, in order to skirt around the law forbidding the president and vice president from being from the same state? exactly how?
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Originally posted by Rude
Bush will lose?
It's no more silly than saying "they just have to get ready for another 4 years of it".
Polls this far out are not reliable.
The people that support Bush better hope so. ;)
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Originally posted by NUKE
What is that supposed to mean? Do you ever have anything to say worth saying here? You seem to be a bitter and negative person.
You seem to be particularly humourless and not very bright, however since the written medium sometimes is not very good at putting over one's personality I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Please do the same for me.....
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Actually I thank terrorism and greed for the rise in oil prices... mind you $55.00 is not the end of the world for a tank of gas, when I go to Europe, we spend a hell of a lot more, and drive a less desirable vehicle with a smaller tank. If you honestly feel Bush is the problem, maybe you should look into your basic reasoning skills. Gas has been peaking every Northern Hemisperical summer for the last 15 years. Now, with a war going on, Saudi Arabia unaware as to whether they can maintain security (this has been a prob since Gulf War 1) long enough to ensure uniterupted supply, you have a need less panic, and basic greed causing the prices to go up...
Schaden, use your head, your a smart guy... just look past the idiotic hype...
Personally I don't think it's greed that is driving up the price, I think that those that wish to hurt the West and America specifically will simply hit the infrastructure that delivers the oil.
The infrastructure includes the ex pats who work in Saudi for the oil coys - this is the reason there was the attack on them this weekend. Drive out the ex pats on whom the oil industry relies to keep the oil flowing, stop significant oil exports from Iraq and you have the means to increase the price of crude through simple supply and demand.
Western Europe is slightly better off currently due to the weakness of the $ - oil is sold in $'s and with the current high value of the £ and the EU vs the $ means that the price may be high in $ terms but not so in our local currency.
Having said that any impact on the US economy will have a major impact on the world economy - NYSE sneezes and the world catches a cold effect.
Would this all have happened if there had been no war in Iraq a year ago? I don't think so, it would have been better for everyone if Iraq had been contained, WMD's had been controlled through UN inspection and the basic trade in oil had continued at prices that allow the world economy to grow.
This is obviously just my opinion on the situation and I could well be way off base...what really worries me however is two things - when is it going to end? A year, 5 years when? and the long term effect it will have on America.
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This is obviously just my opinion on the situation
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As weak as these words are, they are the most intelligent utterings you have ever offered on any subject, anywhere.
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Retired Marine Gen. Anthony C. Zinni pretty much summed it up for me. "He's a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go," Zinni said. "But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4,500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and our reputation and our image in the world, particularly in that region, shattered."
curly
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Originally posted by Yeager
This is obviously just my opinion on the situation
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As weak as these words are, they are the most intelligent utterings you have ever offered on any subject, anywhere.
lol obviously have rubbed Yeager up the wrong way at some point in time, ahh well giving Yeager heartburn and causing veins to stand out on his forehead are something I'll probably just have to live with..
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Retired Marine Gen. Anthony C. Zinni pretty much summed it up for me. "He's a bad guy. He's a terrible guy and he should go," Zinni said. "But I don't think it's worth 800 troops dead, 4,500 wounded -- some of them terribly -- $200 billion of our treasury and counting, and our reputation and our image in the world, particularly in that region, shattered."
curly
lol if you want the truth - ask a Marine General
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Zinni sound like a very smart man, but beeing a retired soldier that prolly has seen what war really is, he prolly sees things in a different perspective than mr Bush.
I wonder how many potential terrororist recruiting nations that could be helped out of their poverty with those 200 billion+....not to mention how many people it would help and save. Now that money is indirectly spent recruiting terrorists and fueling a negative world opinion towards the US.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Zinni sound like a very smart man, but beeing a retired soldier that prolly has seen what war really is, he prolly sees things in a different perspective than mr Bush.
I wonder how many potential terrororist recruiting nations that could be helped out of their poverty with those 200 billion+....not to mention how many people it would help and save. Now that money is indirectly spent recruiting terrorists and fueling a negative world opinion towards the US.
:rolleyes: maybe powell's a terrorist sympathizer, too...even he had reservations...:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
:rolleyes: maybe powell's a terrorist sympathizer, too...even he had reservations...:rolleyes:
lol "terrorist sympathizer"... i love those. :D
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I'm not a Bush hater and I'm very pro American as a rule. Despite being one of those Euros (whatever that is. ).
My opinion for what it's worth is that I suspect I would get on fine with GWB on a personal level. He seems like a genuine enough guy. But I have come to the conclusion that he is a poor president and will be seen as such even by Republicans in time. He is not a great leader, just distinctly average. In part I think he's badly advised and is a victim of the neo cons nutty theories. But as the saying goes. 'The buck stops here'.
His leadership is suspect. To me, he really doesn't seem to be in full control of his cabinet. More of a figurehead than anything else.
His administration has succeeded in uniting all the crazies, the Islamic fascists, anti Americans, socialists, greens, anti capitalists, etc etc. I do blame him for that. Those self rightous p****s have never been happier.
To be fair he's had a hard tour of duty, no President since FDR has had to face a crisis like 911. But he's no FDR and he squandered a lot of the goodwill there was with his subsequent actions.
If he doesn't get re-elected , watch as all his erstwhile friends put him down.
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Al Gore invented George Bush
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I don't think it's greed that is driving up the price
I don't know if this is true, but I heard that the reason for the high gas prices is because we can't refine the oil fast enough(aka demand is more than supply). Supposedly the newest refinerys in the U.S. are 30 years old and hardly any new ones have been built.
Anyone confirm this?
:confused:
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Originally posted by 2stony
I don't know if this is true, but I heard that the reason for the high gas prices is because we can't refine the oil fast enough(aka demand is more than supply). Supposedly the newest refinerys in the U.S. are 30 years old and hardly any new ones have been built.
Anyone confirm this?
:confused:
The truth at last.
And now for the triple bonus question: why haven't oil companies built any refineries lately?
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Actually I thank terrorism and greed for the rise in oil prices... mind you $55.00 is not the end of the world for a tank of gas, when I go to Europe, we spend a hell of a lot more, and drive a less desirable vehicle with a smaller tank. If you honestly feel Bush is the problem, maybe you should look into your basic reasoning skills. Gas has been peaking every Northern Hemisperical summer for the last 15 years. Now, with a war going on, Saudi Arabia unaware as to whether they can maintain security (this has been a prob since Gulf War 1) long enough to ensure uniterupted supply, you have a need less panic, and basic greed causing the prices to go up...
Schaden, use your head, your a smart guy... just look past the idiotic hype...
First morning of trading
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3763313.stm
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Originally posted by 2stony
I don't know if this is true, but I heard that the reason for the high gas prices is because we can't refine the oil fast enough(aka demand is more than supply). Supposedly the newest refinerys in the U.S. are 30 years old and hardly any new ones have been built.
Anyone confirm this?
:confused:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3708951.stm
Low US gasoline stocks and pressure on US refiners to increase production of new gasoline blends have also helped drive world crude oil prices.
Environmental regulations demand new grades of gasoline, which can vary from state to state.
But building processing facilities to serve so many different markets is expensive and environmental concerns can make planning permission difficult to obtain.
This means refiners are struggling to meet demand. Analysts expect summer holiday driving demand in the US to magnify this problem.