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Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: nopoop on May 31, 2004, 02:55:16 PM: It's hoop jumpin until I had the clunky PS interface and the clunky view system for screenshots.

Such a nice skin done by Greebo for the F4U I bailed on that and took on a Jug for the first..

P47D-25 of Colonal David Schilling, 56th FG December 44. Just working out the anomilies of the skin, haven't started the wings as of yet. Lot to remember, been along time, see lotsa mistakes on the first draft.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/474_1086032676_jugshot1.jpg)

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/474_1086032726_jugshot2.jpg)
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: Shane on May 31, 2004, 04:13:30 PM: very nice...

but won't the widdle nazis get jealous?
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: Crumpp on May 31, 2004, 04:24:06 PM: Very Nice!

~~Crumpp~~
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: MaddogWx on May 31, 2004, 05:12:39 PM: Looks super!

I find it interesting that bright colors (red and yellow) were used along with camouflage. Do not think I would want my rudder bright yellow in real life! Makes a nice visible target to shoot at.

Beautiful plane though :aok
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: Replicant on May 31, 2004, 05:19:58 PM: Very impressive!
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Post by: Falcon64 on May 31, 2004, 09:54:03 PM: Looks very good!! Way to go!!
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Post by: Arlo on May 31, 2004, 11:15:03 PM: I like.
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Post by: warhound on May 31, 2004, 11:43:50 PM: Very Nice :aok
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: oboe on June 01, 2004, 06:24:55 AM: Nice choice, and a great looking skin! Keep at it, nopoop! I want to fly this one!
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: nopoop on June 01, 2004, 11:27:36 AM: Searchin the net for the top wing camo scheme. Don't know if invasion stripes were used on the under wings.

They have a couple of models and a diecast availible, might have to get one.

Thanks, I wanna fly it too.
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: Guppy35 on June 01, 2004, 04:17:54 PM: Quote
Originally posted by nopoop
Searchin the net for the top wing camo scheme. Don't know if invasion stripes were used on the under wings.

They have a couple of models and a diecast availible, might have to get one.

Thanks, I wanna fly it too.

If you are going by the December 44 date then there would not have been wing stripes underneath. The under wing stripes were removed in September of 44 and the lower fuselage stripes in early 45.

Dan/Slack
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: nopoop on June 01, 2004, 04:34:57 PM: Thanks Dan !! That was the other thing bugging me.
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: Guppy35 on June 01, 2004, 04:51:16 PM: This might help. It's an IL2 version but it's accurate and shows the wing camo fairly well in the image. The darker gray is closer to the truth as well I think. Yours might be a bit light.

http://www.flugzeugwerk.net/p47d.htm

There is also a restored P47D in Danville Illinois that is painted as "Hairless Joe". The owner is Butch Schroeder and he's a stickler for historical accuracy in his warbirds. His Dad was a Jug pilot too.

Dan/Slack
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: Guppy35 on June 01, 2004, 05:09:24 PM: Just to add to the confusion :)

Three color shots of Hairless Joe from WW2. All from Warren Bodie's wonderful book on the P47

The first one from late summer 44 shows it with the invasion stripes under the wings as well as some idea of what the right side camo looked like.

The second and third show it later in the Fall of 44 after the wing stripes were removed from underneath.

A pretty Jug either way and obviously it gives you some options as it appears they did some touching up of the camo due to the wear and tear of Ops.

Also note that it, like many Jugs had the star and bar under both the left and right wing.

Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1086127488_hairlessjoe1.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1086127521_hairlessjoe2.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1086127551_hairlessjoe3.jpg)
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: nopoop on June 01, 2004, 06:18:00 PM: Got it all Dan, thanks !!

Now the rest of ya'lls just back away from this skin. I'm slow, don't wanna get half way through and see it posted :(

That IL-2 skin is by far the best skin I've ever seen. I know one guy that skins on a par with that example and that's Lemsko.

Looking at the 1024 it's a skin on a totally different level.
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Post by: mauser on June 02, 2004, 12:36:25 PM: Keep it up nopoop! That's the paint scheme I really wanted to
see for our D25. It is beautiful. I think I remember hearing
someone from AH's 56th FG wanting to see that too (Frenchy?),
but I don't know if the 56th is still around :confused: .

mauser
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Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 02, 2004, 03:01:59 PM: looking good so far Poop, but I have a question for you.

Are you using a profile from Osprey's book and adapted it on the Ah skin?

If so, I discourage you from going on. You may have problems down the road where the homogeneity of the skin will look funky. When you will manually do the camo patern, you will not be able able to reproduce it exactly like on the profile view and it will show. Plus when you use a profile view, it takes a lot of colors out of the 256 available. it takes less colors when you paint it yourself.

On a side note, I would suggest that you would not waste your time to paint the plane. Your first step should be to paint the panel lines, the stripes and the outline of the camo. Then you will spend several hours to make countless adjustments to make the 2D skin match the 3D skin. Then you can paint. If you paint first, you will have to redo everything when you will notice that the wing/fuselage camo continuity is broken, or that the top inv stripe down't match the bottom one...

At those "junctions" that you will identify, make sure they have the same luminosity. Example would be the engine cowling. You do your fancy painting, then on the 3D model, you realise that the 2D skin of the cowling as a demarkation. its because each edge of the cowling 2D skin are too different and when they come together on the 3D skin, it shows.
So on your skin prep, make sure you identify the areas that are next to each other on the 3D model, but far appart on the 2D skin.

Hope that helps... oh and maybe you should do like me, wait for the new jug 3D model, so all your work will not be send to ... the pooper.:D
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: Batz on June 02, 2004, 03:22:41 PM: just put a moo-moo on her.......
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: 6GunUSMC on June 02, 2004, 04:44:21 PM: I give it a :aok keep up the good work folks!!
Title: FINALLY my first skin in progress..
Post by: -ammo- on June 02, 2004, 05:13:24 PM: Sweet! Looking forward to flying that one. I have been wishing for a D25 *not* in Brazilian colors for a long time. (no offence to Brazilians!)
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Post by: Bulz on June 02, 2004, 07:57:01 PM: Nicely done! I have a question as to where I get the tool to make skins. I have a nive P-38 I would like to do.