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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mietla on June 02, 2004, 02:25:45 PM
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... how is it different from a conservative?
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NeoCon movement grew out of a group of New York Jewish communists in the 1930s who split from the left wing by the 1960s because of cold war differences. They advocate an agressive and interventionist foreign policy, especially in the mid east.
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What the heck is a NeoCon? (http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002840)
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It's what happens when you drive a neon to the con.
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Con is 'in opposition to' so Neocon would be
(http://www.cinematrix.hu/fajlok/hirek/kepek/KomlodiSmith.jpg)
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And who wouldnt want to be on Agent Smith's side?
Bush 04!
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
NeoCon movement grew out of a group of New York Jewish communists in the 1930s who split from the left wing by the 1960s because of cold war differences. They advocate an agressive and interventionist foreign policy, especially in the mid east.
Now it includes radical christians that believe jesus will come back if Iseral secures all the lands to the river jordan. This is why they take a hardline stance on giving land back to palistine.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Now it includes radical christians that believe jesus will come back if Iseral secures all the lands to the river jordan. This is why they take a hardline stance on giving land back to palistine.
isnt that the politics of zionism?
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
Now it includes radical christians that believe jesus will come back if Iseral secures all the lands to the river jordan. This is why they take a hardline stance on giving land back to palistine.
Nah, we take a hardline stance against Palestine because we've all got this pet peeve about suicide bombers.
Go figure.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Nah, we take a hardline stance against Palestine because we've all got this pet peeve about suicide bombers.
Go figure.
The US took a hardline stance on Palestine long before there were any suicide bombers or the concept of international terrorism.
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Originally posted by Pei
The US took a hardline stance on Palestine long before there were any suicide bombers or the concept of international terrorism.
That's what makes suicide bombers, in libral eyes, freedom fighters vrs. terrorists.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
That's what makes suicide bombers, in libral eyes, freedom fighters vrs. terrorists.
I must not be a liberal then. I think ANY idiot that blows themself up to kill innocent people or American troops is a terrorist.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
That's what makes suicide bombers, in libral eyes, freedom fighters vrs. terrorists.
Suicide bombers are terrorists. That has nothing much to do with why the US has been supporting Isreal all these years.
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Originally posted by rpm371
I must not be a liberal then. I think ANY idiot that blows themself up to kill innocent people or American troops is a terrorist.
well many of your idiot libral friends despise israel and applaud those vallient freedom fighters of palestine that like to kill woman and children.
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Originally posted by Pei
The US took a hardline stance on Palestine long before there were any suicide bombers or the concept of international terrorism.
Terrorism today... military threats 30 years ago.
When every Arab state in the region pledges the desruction of Israel - regardless of the weaponry deployed... be it 17 year old kids with TNT or uniformed, Kalashnikov toting lads - who are you gonna side with?
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See what ya started?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
well many of your idiot libral friends despise israel and applaud those vallient freedom fighters of palestine that like to kill woman and children.
Hmmm... I think Israel has made their bed and they need to learn how to sleep in it without the benefit of our tax dollars. I'm also beginning to believe that the Israel is the true beneficiary of our little occupation of Iraq.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm also beginning to believe that the Israel is the true beneficiary of our little occupation of Iraq.
why not they prevented a major clusterfck by not retaliating to Sadam's unprovoked attack during GW1
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
why not they prevented a major clusterfck by not retaliating to Sadam's unprovoked attack during GW1
Whatever man... that wasn't what the Bush admin put on the table, but it can't hurt to add one more to the list of reasons. The initial ones haven't quite panned out. ;)
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America is just Israel's *****...you boys should be used to it by now
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
America is just Israel's *****...you boys should be used to it by now
Well if America is Israel's "*****" then what would that make the UK? :D
PS: Sixpense. The entire issue could have been avoided in the 1930's had Hitler been dealt with properly instead of continually appeased and allowed to break the military equipment regulations placed on Germany.
(sound familiar?)
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
PS: Sixpense. The entire issue could have been avoided in the 1930's had Hitler been dealt with properly instead of continually appeased and allowed to break the military equipment regulations placed on Germany.
I was talking to Mietla, Sourdorker(2 can play the mispell game:p )
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Im sure ive seen this discussion somewere else, but i cant remember the name of the place...something starting with o' or something... I dunno....could have had club in it aswell :)
Wonder if GrunSis reads this too....if you do then why not just join us for real here, and stop the teasing.. You are already hooked anyway :D
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Well if America is Israel's "*****" then what would that make the UK? :D
PS: Sixpense. The entire issue could have been avoided in the 1930's had Hitler been dealt with properly instead of continually appeased and allowed to break the military equipment regulations placed on Germany.
(sound familiar?)
I think Poodle is the current appropriate term. To America of course rather than Israel.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
I was talking to Mietla, Sourdorker(2 can play the mispell game:p )
Any two 12 year olds you should have added!! It is amusing to see that for some their idea is a cutting remark or well thought out argument is.....gasp!!......incorrect spelling of a name...how witty, how original....how incredibly stupid!!
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sooo... if we just rounded up all the jews and killed em... we would help ouselves and the world too? Sove everyones problems and euros would like us? seems so simple a solution I am surprised that no one has thought of it before this..
lazs
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm also beginning to believe that the Israel is the true beneficiary of our little occupation of Iraq.
most of the rest of the world figured that out more than a year ago! i posted that same statement in this very forum as a matter of fact at that time re: the US invasion of Iraq
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Originally posted by lazs2
sooo... if we just rounded up all the jews and killed em... we would help ouselves and the world too? Sove everyones problems and euros would like us? seems so simple a solution I am surprised that no one has thought of it before this..
lazs
well I've seen similar ideas from various "conservatives" although aimed at the Muslim population - a better idea might simply be to treat both sides in the current Arab-Israeli confilct equally rather than propping up the Israeli Government. Killing civilians is a terrorist act - it really doesn't matter whether you use a bomb on a belt or a F16.
As a troll - weak, can't give you more than a 2.3, minus 1 for the poor typing - give you the benefit of the doubt on the spelling.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
well I've seen similar ideas from various "conservatives" although aimed at the Muslim population - a better idea might simply be to treat both sides in the current Arab-Israeli confilct equally rather than propping up the Israeli Government. Killing civilians is a terrorist act - it really doesn't matter whether you use a bomb on a belt or a F16.
reflects my feelings
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Killing civilians is a terrorist act - it really doesn't matter whether you use a bomb on a belt or a F16.
Nope, targeting civilians is terrorism. Killing them as a side effect because the enemy uses them as human shields is not.
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Originally posted by lazs2
sooo... if we just rounded up all the jews and killed em... we would help ouselves and the world too? lazs
Sub out Jews for Arabs / Palestinians / Iraqis / Muslims, and you have the sentiments of a majority of GOP melonheads on this board.
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Ok, just so that I have it straight... It's ok to hate jews but not those nice freedom fighters?
I don't advocate we kill anyone except terrorists and those who would support them.
So far as I can see... the jews have turned sand into somthing productive and the arabs can't seem to turn black gold into anything but hate and brutality and poverty for the masses.
I can't even figure out what the palestinians even want... I doubt they know or would be happy with anything less than the total destruction of all jews.
I would support any fair position tho.
oh... neocon... think of it as the "outing" of conservative jews by the liberal ones for not towing the liberal line... very similar to blacks saying that other blacks who don't tow the line are not "black enough".
lazs
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Originally posted by mietla
Nope, targeting civilians is terrorism. Killing them as a side effect because the enemy uses them as human shields is not.
You should spend a little time researching the subject of Palestinian and Israeli history.
If you drop ordinance from a/c in built up areas you will get collateral damage - it is not a question of "terrorists" using human shields that is simply an argument put forward by a racist individual who does not have the ability to empathise with human being outside of his own culture.
You don't like Arabs, so it really doesn't matter if children get killed - it was all the fault of the terrorists anyway.
Judaism suffered, and has always suffered incredible hardship and privation and the hands of gentiles - that does NOT give the state of Israel the right to behave in the same way.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Ok, just so that I have it straight... It's ok to hate jews but not those nice freedom fighters?
I don't advocate we kill anyone except terrorists and those who would support them.
So far as I can see... the jews have turned sand into somthing productive and the arabs can't seem to turn black gold into anything but hate and brutality and poverty for the masses.
I can't even figure out what the palestinians even want... I doubt they know or would be happy with anything less than the total destruction of all jews.
I would support any fair position tho.
oh... neocon... think of it as the "outing" of conservative jews by the liberal ones for not towing the liberal line... very similar to blacks saying that other blacks who don't tow the line are not "black enough".
lazs
Slow down laz you are making WAY too much sense here. ;)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
You should spend a little time researching the subject of Palestinian and Israeli history.
Excelent idea, and under the above criteria it should be quite easy too. Although Israeli history goes back 3000 years, there was never a "Palestine" nation and there were no people refered to as "Palestinian" until the 1940's, but the reference at that time actually refered to the Jewish people of that region. For the modern definition of "Palestinian" you need only go back to the mid 60s. A relatively brief time period in history :)
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And there was no Israelian before 1948 ...
Before there was not Israelian nation ...
But there was Palestians during about 3000 some were Jewish some were not.
And it's still the true today some Israelian are Jewish some are not.
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Originally posted by straffo
And there was no Israelian before 1948 ...
Before there was not Israelian nation ...
But there was Palestians during about 3000 some were Jewish some were not.
And it's still the true today some Israelian are Jewish some are not.
Lol. What exactly did the acient Israelian Kings rule over then? Or do monarchies not count as a nation? Actually when Rome conquered Isreal they renamed the reigon something that has morphed into the modern pronounciation of Palestine.
An extention of your point would be that residents of Iowa are Louisianans because it was actually territory gained in the Louisiana Purchase. Some were Indian, and some were not, and its still true today :)
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you forgot Canaan :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
well many of your idiot libral friends despise israel and applaud those vallient freedom fighters of palestine that like to kill woman and children.
What a load of bull****.
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http://www.newamericancentury.org/
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I still don't get it... when the jews blow up an apartment complex that is filled with retreating terr... er "freedom fighters" "soldiers" whatever...
How is that the same as some palastinians blowing themselves up in a public market or school or opening up on a buss full of workers with machineguns? Seems that it is the latter who have dehumanized their enemies more than the former.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
How is that the same as some palastinians blowing themselves up in a public market or school or opening up on a buss full of workers with machineguns?
It's the same in that innocent people are killed.
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sorry thrawn... don't see it that way. if the reason for the attack is to kill civilians then that is worlds apart from bombing the hiding place of terr... er... "freedom fighters" who have run for cover there. If the "freedom fighters" blew up a jewish military convoy that collateraly killed civvilians then we could talk.
If you can't see the difference then you lack any real morals.
lazs
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Hey lazs, I can see the differences. You asked for the similarites.