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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Rafe35 on June 03, 2004, 10:54:01 PM
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What was the name of the first escort carrier built in World War II?
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I believe it was the USS Long Island, CVE-1.
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My regards,
Widewing
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HMS Audacity
Tronsky
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Originally posted by -tronski-
HMS Audacity
Tronsky
The USS Long Island was commissioned on June 2nd, 1941.
HMS Audacity was commissioned on July 30, 1941 nearly two months after the Long Island.
My regards,
Widewing
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British escort carrier that could carry Six aircraft and was used to protect convoys crossing the Atlantic. It was formerly a German merchant ship, the Hannover, that have been captured by the British in the Caribbean and converted in September 1940 to an escort carrier. HMS Audacity was the first of many escort carriers built in World War II and was sunk by a German U-Boat on December 21, 1941.
Tronski is correct
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Hey guys, "built" and "commissioned" are 2 entirely different things.
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Originally posted by Widewing
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and here comes the suicide divebombing Stukasters... NNEEeeeoowwww
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Hey guys, "built" and "commissioned" are 2 entirely different things.
Construction dates are meaningless.
Which is why the Long Island WAS first.
Here's an example: What was the first all big-gun battleship? Well, we know it was the HMS Dreadnaught. But if we use Rafe35's logic, it was the USS South Carolina. The American battleship was designed and approved with initial construction beginning before Dreadnaught, but was commissioned later. In fact, being acutely aware that the American's had a significant head start, Dreadnaught's design was rushed through approval and construction hastened. She was launched as soon as the hull was considered watertight.
For dating warships the rules have always been "date of commissioning". Until then, it is not in service, and service dates are what count.
That is why HMS Dreadnaught was considered the first modern era battleship and set the name for all future battleships as "dreadnaughts".
Ironically, although the Brits rushed the HMS Dreadnaught to commissioning, the South Carolina proved to be a considerably better design. With superimposed main turrets and a better armor arrangement, South Carolina and her sister Michigan were a bit smaller, yet considerably more formidable than Dreadnaught in terms of fire power and the ability to keep shells out.
As it is, Audacity was the first to begin construction, but the Long Island was the first to complete construction and be commissioned. And that gentlemen, is what determines which is first.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
Construction dates are meaningless.
Which is why the Long Island WAS first.
Here's an example: What was the first all big-gun battleship? Well, we know it was the HMS Dreadnaught. But if we use Rafe35's logic, it was the USS South Carolina. The American battleship was designed and approved with initial construction beginning before Dreadnaught, but was commissioned later. In fact, being acutely aware that the American's had a significant head start, Dreadnaught's design was rushed through approval and construction hastened. She was launched as soon as the hull was considered watertight.
For dating warships the rules have always been "date of commissioning". Until then, it is not in service, and service dates are what count.
That is why HMS Dreadnaught was considered the first modern era battleship and set the name for all future battleships as "dreadnaughts".
Ironically, although the Brits rushed the HMS Dreadnaught to commissioning, the South Carolina proved to be a considerably better design. With superimposed main turrets and a better armor arrangement, South Carolina and her sister Michigan were a bit smaller, yet considerably more formidable than Dreadnaught in terms of fire power and the ability to keep shells out.
As it is, Audacity was the first to begin construction, but the Long Island was the first to complete construction and be commissioned. And that gentlemen, is what determines which is first.
My regards,
Widewing
Widewing
You are 100% right about USS Long Island (ACV-1 and CVE-1) and she was commissioned in early June 1941 before HMS Audacity came around.
But in my books said that HMS Audacity was first to see Combat instead Long Island was ACV-1 and Long Island was conducted trial operations in the Atlantic during the rest of that year. Then one year later(July 1943) USS Long Island was again reclassified, becoming CVE-1 (escort aircraft carrier).
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For dating warships the rules have always been "date of commissioning". Until then, it is not in service, and service dates are what count.
Uh, yeah, thanks for proving my point.
I put that out there incase Rafe was trying to throw a trick question at us.
I am completely aware of what "being in commission" and being "built" are as I approach my 12th year with the United States Navy.
Again, thanks for letting the others know what the differences are.
V/R
Diablo