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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hawklore on June 04, 2004, 02:54:01 AM
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I was wondering how long is it when your AWAL (or however you spell it) are you considerd a disertor (however you spell that too).
Also, what is the maximum age the Army, or military, will take you in?
Also, if you go AWAL for so many years, and nothings been done, and you decide to go back, whats the punishment and payment issues?
Thanks,
Hawklore
I'm a tard! :aok
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AWOL = Absent WithOut Leave.
After 30 days AWOL, the military can declare you a deserter.
I know the maximum age used to be 38, but that probably has changed since I got out 30 years ago. Sheesh :eek: It's been over 30 years? I never thought I'd live this long...
Everything always depends on individual circumstances, but an 'average' deserter will have to spend a few years in military prison, forfeit their pay, then receive a dishonorable discharge.
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we had a guy go awol for exactly 29 days 3 times he was finally put in a nice bright orange jumpsuit.
I just read an article about a guy that deserted from the Air Force 20+ years ago. He now has a wife and 2 kids and was self employed......somehow they found him arested him and made him be an active duty E2 for 3 months before discharge.
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also, when you go awol that is considered "lost time" and all lost time must be made up. so when they catch you, you have to serve the lost time.
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It varies from command to command, and it also depends alot on the conditions you went AWOL under. I worked in a military prison for 2 years, so I've seen quite a few cases. In some instances, like trainees walking away from Basic, they serve 30 days in jail, then go back to be administratively separated from the Army. In other cases it's more severe, for instance; an active duty E-5 whose unit was about to deploy to Iraq went AWOL. He received an 18 month sentence due to the circumstances.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
In some instances, like trainees walking away from Basic, they serve 30 days in jail, then go back to be administratively separated from the Army.
Had more than a few do this in Quantico, but to the best of my knowledge, they just let them go - didnt even bother trying to get them back.
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They don't really make much of an effort to get them back, but all it takes is for that person to get pulled over for a traffic ticket, or use their SSN with the gov't somewhere for them to get caught. The unit will never see them back, they go straight to a "Personnel Control Facility", then to the prison.
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Originally posted by Raubvogel
They don't really make much of an effort to get them back, but all it takes is for that person to get pulled over for a traffic ticket, or use their SSN with the gov't somewhere for them to get caught. The unit will never see them back, they go straight to a "Personnel Control Facility", then to the prison.
when a basic trainee goes over the wall, attempts are made to get them....but if they cant find them the army doesnt consider the soldier a loss. now for active duty (those that have completed IET & AIT), there is an aprehension section with the CID. their whole and sole job is to track down the wall jumpers. you are also correct, after 90 days the CID section sends out the soldiers information to the local authorities. after 180 days the names and information is sent to the FBI for processing into the national fugitive database... just experienced the situation... soldiers (female) boyfriend (another soldier) jumped the wall back in Feb.. got nabbed !!
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Had more than a few do this in Quantico, but to the best of my knowledge, they just let them go - didnt even bother trying to get them back.
Ive lived near Quantico all my life.
Id be suprised to learn that anyone walked away from the training programs there, especially OCS. There is no basic training at Quantico, where I would expect people to try to walk away.
I have heard of recruits drowning while trying to get off of Paris Island though.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
we had a guy go awol for exactly 29 days 3 times he was finally put in a nice bright orange jumpsuit.
I just read an article about a guy that deserted from the Air Force 20+ years ago. He now has a wife and 2 kids and was self employed......somehow they found him arested him and made him be an active duty E2 for 3 months before discharge.
Listen .... I'm sick and tired of you Bush bashers ....
;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Listen .... I'm sick and tired of you Bush bashers ....
;)
hehe
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Originally posted by strk
Ive lived near Quantico all my life.
Id be suprised to learn that anyone walked away from the training programs there, especially OCS. There is no basic training at Quantico, where I would expect people to try to walk away.
I have heard of recruits drowning while trying to get off of Paris Island though.
Beautiful area isnt it?
Must have been alot of ****birds in my class. We had 6 disappear from my platoon between nightfall and sunrise in the first 2 weeks. OCS is essentially "basic" for officers - not much different than PI or SDRD except we dont really get into weaponry until TBS so Id imagine the mindset of "WTF did I get myself into" would be just as common.
Of course we were all warned, but that didnt stop those kids from freaking out.
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Saur, when were at Qauntico? Early- mid 80's for me. Tis a beautiful place, yes sir.
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I thought you voulenteered for the armed forces. Nobody (except in wartime) force folks to join, so why would they leave? And when they do decide to "leave", why bother getting them back? They are not motivated enough to be there so they would proly just be a danger to themselves and others.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Beautiful area isnt it?
Must have been alot of ****birds in my class. We had 6 disappear from my platoon between nightfall and sunrise in the first 2 weeks. OCS is essentially "basic" for officers - not much different than PI or SDRD except we dont really get into weaponry until TBS so Id imagine the mindset of "WTF did I get myself into" would be just as common.
Of course we were all warned, but that didnt stop those kids from freaking out.
yes it is beautiful but the humidity can get really bad.
I'd expect that attitude in boot camp, but not so much in OCS.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I thought you voulenteered for the armed forces. Nobody (except in wartime) force folks to join, so why would they leave? And when they do decide to "leave", why bother getting them back? They are not motivated enough to be there so they would proly just be a danger to themselves and others.
When you join up you do volunteer but you also sign a contract for a certain length of service. i.e. 2,4,or 6 year hitches. The reasons for going over the wall are widely varied from being home sick to the shock of military discipline.
Why bother getting them back? It is a breach of contract. If a person joins up and gets to IET and decides that is not the life for them take it through the COC. When I was in IET we had a guy do this and eventually got out but I don't know what type of discharge he recieved.
Robert
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i understand the cotract thing, but is it really good for the army to have someone that is not 100% motivated?.....forcing someone because of a contract they signed is hardly good motivation to perform well.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
i understand the cotract thing, but is it really good for the army to have someone that is not 100% motivated?.....forcing someone because of a contract they signed is hardly good motivation to perform well.
Hi Nilsen. The truth of the matter is that up until a few years ago, nobody joined with the expectation that war would happen on their watch. Even now, there would be very few folks who would deploy if given the choice. In other words, most of the soldiers etc over there at this moment are simply counting down the days until they can return home. It's normal. Overall, there are alot of people who are counting the days until the expiration of their current contract as well.
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VOR,
I always counted the days til we returned state side when we deployed. No matted where we went it was never as good as the states to me (no offence intended to anyone). We only stayed a week in Panama during Just Cause but even then we counted the days or at least I did.
Nilsen,
The way I look at it and I am wrong very often is that holding up your end of a contract that you will fully entered is just part of growing up. Most recruits in the military are 17 to 21 years old and for some the hardest thing they ever did was cut the grass at home. When I joined I knew it was going to suck but most everything that builds character does in one way or another. Some people just cannot or will not take responsibility for thier own actions. That is part of the code of conduct and is covered in the oath if I remember correctly.
I guess what I am trying to say is if the military just lets them go without making them take responsibility then what have they learned? If they get away with this what will they try in the future?
I hope I haven't rambled while writing this and it makes a little sense.
Have a great weekend all.
Robert
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Originally posted by SmokinSS
I guess what I am trying to say is if the military just lets them go without making them take responsibility then what have they learned? If they get away with this what will they try in the future?
I hope I haven't rambled while writing this and it makes a little sense.
Have a great weekend all.
Robert
It makes sence, but should teaching those "kids" a lesson endanger their fellow troops?... because they will if they are not motivated. I agree that there should be somekind of punishment for breaking the contract, but the punishment should be prison or fines. "making" them go back to thier unit is just gonna endangerthose troops that are willing and able. just my opinion tho .
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Originally posted by VOR
Overall, there are alot of people who are counting the days until the expiration of their current contract as well.
2 days and counting .....! :)