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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Redd on June 04, 2004, 08:04:12 PM
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Any of you talented skinners that could knock together some way down South Pacific skins would be much appreciated.
There was a couple being worked on early on, but I haven't seen any finals yet
P40
Spit5
Spit9
mossie
p51
are some planes in the current plane set that flew RAAF
Caldwell's CROC spit V is quite well known (I think someone may have been working on it)
and the Kiwis (NZ) had some Hogs and Hellcats I think as well as the others listed above - that would also be excellent for us - - particularly the hellcat :)
I'd love to do it but I'm graphicallly challenged.
I'll make sure someone buys you a few fosters at the Con :)
Redd
PS Il-2skins.com has quite a variety of aussie and kiwi skins to check out.
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Redd,
Here is a P-51D done in a 5th AF / 348th FG / 342nd FS motif that operated out of the Philippines in 1945. Is it what you had in mind?
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/p51d/LadyMarion3.jpg)
I have not submitted it to HT – yet. I have been waiting to see what will happen with a couple of already submitted skins. I'm sure they are busy getting AH2 ready and I certainly don't want to flood them with skins if they aren't interested in the work. But maybe someday this skin will be available.
MachNix
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What about somthing like these couple
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/583_1086502521_raafspit.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/583_1086502453_caldwellspit.jpg)
top is common Raaf marked spitfire, and Bottom is Clive Caldwell Spitfire.
here are a couple p40's
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/583_1086499032_p40ecresswel.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/583_1086501144_p40kangaroo.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/583_1086501201_p40whitetail.jpg)
LSJ
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When the Typhoon/Tempest skin gets updated, I might do a 486 Sqn RNZAF skin.
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Anyone interested in skinning one of the p-40's i posted?
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Originally posted by MachNix
Redd,
Here is a P-51D done in a 5th AF / 348th FG / 342nd FS motif that operated out of the Philippines in 1945. Is it what you had in mind?
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/p51d/LadyMarion3.jpg)
I have not submitted it to HT – yet. I have been waiting to see what will happen with a couple of already submitted skins. I'm sure they are busy getting AH2 ready and I certainly don't want to flood them with skins if they aren't interested in the work. But maybe someday this skin will be available.
MachNix
Looks like a lovely skin Machnix .
I was looking for RAAF and RNZAF markings.
Thanks
Redd
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I have some pictures of Spits, but I forgot how to upload them.
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Redd,
You have a P51D you would like to see, put up an image or a link to a web site and I see what I can do.
MachNix
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There's a nice Aussie P51D here (http://galacticvoyager.com/cgi-bin/mod.cgi?id=03-50052&c=111).
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Originally posted by Greebo
There's a nice Aussie P51D here (http://galacticvoyager.com/cgi-bin/mod.cgi?id=03-50052&c=111).
the 3rd squadron p51 one would be excellent
Some photos of the restored one here
http://www.integration.co.nz/aviation/Misc1.htm
and an original black and white
http://www.3squadron.org.au/indexpages/aircraft.htm
The southern cross on the rudder looks great
This site has a really comprehensive list of RAAF aircraft including lots of photos and some nose art
http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air-support/ww2-allied/aircraft-raaf.htm
Redd
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Originally posted by MachNix
Redd,
You have a P51D you would like to see, put up an image or a link to a web site and I see what I can do.
MachNix
Machnix
This link should be really handy lots of great information on colour chemes etc from some modellers
http://www.kitparade.com/features00/p51bbg_1.htm
To summarize on camo vs silver. the first mustangs delivered and flown were in RAF camo brown/grey , the aussies added rudder and other squadron markings.
Later in the war they didn't bother with the camo , used the silver , just adding the rudder, squadron and other markings.
In the different black and white photos i linked you can see examples of both
Hope that helps
Redd
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Originally posted by MachNix
Redd,
You have a P51D you would like to see, put up an image or a link to a web site and I see what I can do.
MachNix
more photos of some models
we had D's and K's in many squadrons btw - so if they say K on a model it should be ok as the D's and K's would have been painted the same
the thumbnails are handy for the detail
http://www.gallery02.kitparade.com/p51bik_1.htm
http://www.kitparade.com/gallery01/p51kmw_1.htm
http://www.gallery02.kitparade.com/mustanggb_1.htm
Some Spits
http://www.kitparade.com/gallery01/spitfirevcbg_1.htm
http://www.kitparade.com/gallery01/spitfireviiibg_1.htm
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Didn't the Aussies have fly some captured La-7s in the Battle of Cape Woolamai, 1943?
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Hmm I saw some Russian tourists at Cape Woolamai once but I'm pretty sure they weren't flying an LA7, might have been driving a captured Lada
Redd
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Have you got a picture of one of those LALA's. Sounds like a truly strange moment in history. Russians would have done you a favour in taking over the country in 1943, aye comrade!
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(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/p51d/raaf1.jpg)
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/p51d/raaf2.jpg)
The skin has limitations and this is the best I can do. You will have to decide if a backwards "P" and Southern Cross is acceptable on one side. If it is, maybe HT could take a look and see if this P-51K skin is worth closer inspection before I go to the trouble of submitting it.
MachNix
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damn that was quick machnix
let me do some work on that model designation to see if i can find one that would mirror
What other issues does it have ?
Idon't think the "K" is an issue 3rd sqdrn had D's and K's
Redd
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Machnix - can you use other letters ? eg U, I
The CV was squadron designation - I've seen photos of a K P and J - there must have been U's and I's
The souther n cross I can live with - can't speak for HTC - I guess send it to them , see what they think :)
Redd
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Redd,
The issues are:
1. There is only one wing – one upper, one lower surface.
2. Only one horizontal stab surface that is mirrored top, bottom, left and right.
3. Only one fuselage half with small "detail" areas such as where the "CV" is placed.
Another letter such as A, H, I, M, etc. can be used IF there was an actual aircraft with that letter - you have to prove it. I have had a skin rejected already for this.
Maybe HT will take a look at this post and give some guidance.
MachNix
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Pyro,
What is HT's policy on mirrored items such as the backwards "P" in the above P-51D? As a skinner, I try and use only paint schemes that will work on the model. Redd asked for a RAAF color scheme and this was the only example that was close to fitting. I don't want to submit the skin unless you think it is worth considering -- no sense in adding to the backlog of skins.
Thanks,
MachNix
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FWIW, I had an F6F (mirrored fuselage sides) accepted with the number "101" instead of the historically correct "145". I mentioned this fudge in the email BTW.
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Originally posted by Greebo
FWIW, I had an F6F (mirrored fuselage sides) accepted with the number "101" instead of the historically correct "145". I mentioned this fudge in the email BTW.
That seems a logical stance to take when the skinners are working with the limitation of the mirroring.
As I mentioned - if there were K's P's and J's - it's very likely there were U's and I's
eg CV- I
Redd
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machnix
found this site
http://www.adf-serials.com/
The following information is listed from there
You could choose several letters
eg CV-A CV-W CV-T
FB128 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control.
FB244 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 112Sqn.
FB252 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn.
FB262 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 112Sqn. abandoned in flight after flak DAM 3MAR45, Casara.
FB283 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn.
FB290 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn. abandoned in flight after flak DAM 3APR45 near Maribor.
FB295 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn.
FB299 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 450Sqn. Shot Down flak 14APR45.
FB341 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control.
HB955 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn.
KH616 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-J. WO J Quinn Shot Down 26DEC44.
KH624 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-Y.
KH676 ? ? 44-11379 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-A.
KH677 ? ? 44-11380 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. Missing 11/04/45. The Aircraft Registered VH-JUC and flown as KH677 is really A68-105.
# Image of A68-105 marked as KH677 in 1999. (Darren Crick)
# Image of A68-105 marked as KH677 at Temora in 2003. (Darren Crick)
KH679 ? ? 44-11382 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. Abandoned in flight near Padova 7MAR45 after flak DAM.
KH710 ? ? 44-11413 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CL Cervia 16APR45 after engine cut on TO.
KH716 ? ? 44-11483 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-P Sqn Ldr M P Nash.
KH723 ? ? 44-11480 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-K.
KH755 ? ? 44-11583 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-W. Crashed on Venice Lido 29APR45 after flak DAM.
KH760 ? ? 44-11588 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-Z.
KH772 ? ? 44-11600 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-E.
KH786 ? ? 44-11614 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-C.
KH791 ? ? 44-11699 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-G.
KH794 ? ? 44-11702 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-G.
KH806 ? ? 44-11714 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-L.
KH807 ? ? 44-11715 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-Y.
KH819 ? ? 44-11727 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 5 Sqn SAAF. CV-X.
KH821 ? ? 44-11729 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. Ditched off PO estuary 25JAN45 after flak DAM.
KH830 ? ? 44-11738 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-T.
KH845 ? ? 44-11833 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-B. Missing 2MAR45.
KH851 ? ? 44-11839 Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. MIA 1APR45.
KH853 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. From 260Sqn. CV-K FL K Richards.
KM104 ? ? ? Served with 3 Sqn under RAF Control. CV-J.
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The Slot Map has some realy Nice New Zealand Skins (P40E, and F4U-1A) and a Nice Austrailian Boston Skin, The Okinawa Map has a Nice British Coursare skin well, all done by Ramzey.
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Redd,
Went with CV-Y and used the same paint scheme as CV-P that was shown earlier. I think the "KH807" looks acceptable mirrored. If you think this skin looks okay, I'll submit it.
MachNix
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/p51d/raafcvy2.jpg)
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/p51d/raafcvy3.jpg)
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Machnix
Only thing you might want to look at is the roundels on the wings - were they red white blue ( without the yellow circle) ?
Redd
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Originally posted by Redd
Machnix
Only thing you might want to look at is the roundels on the wings - were they red white blue ( without the yellow circle) ?
Redd
Found this old black and white showing wing roundel
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/596_1087180867_plane-mustang-raaf.jpg)
and this one is actually from the 3rd sqd , you have all the other marking looking really good.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/596_1087181133_mustang.jpg)
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Redd,
I was basing the wing roundels on Greebo's link: http://galacticvoyager.com/cgi-bin/mod.cgi?id=03-50052&c=111
You can just make out the wing roundel in your black and white image of CV-P and I don't think it has any white.
Some other things I notice from you image is my tail emblem is backwards – should be red-white-blue – and only the front of the spinner is red. I'll get those things changed and pack it off to HT.
MachNix
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Originally posted by MachNix
Redd,
I was basing the wing roundels on Greebo's link: http://galacticvoyager.com/cgi-bin/mod.cgi?id=03-50052&c=111
You can just make out the wing roundel in your black and white image of CV-P and I don't think it has any white.
MachNix
You are probably right - have seen some hpotos of the roundels on the wings done that way now that I've looked closer.
Redd
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Originally posted by Redd
You are probably right - have seen some hpotos of the roundels on the wings done that way now that I've looked closer.
The roundels and fin flash are all listed and exaples here
http://cocardes.monde.online.fr/v2html/en/pays/royaume_uni.html
paragraph below describes the scheme delivered in the kittyhawaks at the time - very likely applied to the P51's as well
Initially the Kittyhawk Mk.IIas were in the Desert camouflage of Dark Earth and Midstone upper surfaces with Azure Blue (usually) lower surfaces. These colours are thought to have been applied at a M.U in the Middle East as it is believed that the aircraft were manufactured in the Temperate scheme in the U.S (as were the earlier P-40Es). Spinners were all painted Red as per DAF (Desert Air Force) orders with serials in Black. Roundels on all these Kittyhawk Mk.IIas were the standard RAF types for the period (ie 36" C1 Fuselage, 40 " B type Upper wing and 36" C Lower wing) with appropiate Fin flash.
Full text here
http://www.3squadron.org.au/MacK1/P40L2.htm
I can't see what you have used under the wing - sounds like the type C would be correct.
Thanks again
Redd
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Originally posted by MachNix
Redd,
I was basing the wing roundels on Greebo's link: http://galacticvoyager.com/cgi-bin/mod.cgi?id=03-50052&c=111
You can just make out the wing roundel in your black and white image of CV-P and I don't think it has any white.
Some other things I notice from you image is my tail emblem is backwards – should be red-white-blue – and only the front of the spinner is red. I'll get those things changed and pack it off to HT.
MachNix
just found this on the 3rd squadron website
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/596_1087216914_p513rdsquadron.jpg)
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Okay, think we got it now:
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/p51d/raafcvy1a.jpg)
(http://www.wildandfreed.com/ah/p51d/raafcvy3a.jpg)
MachNix
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Nice Job, Very nice skin Machnix. Look's great
LSJ
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looks great machnix
really appreciate it.
Let's hope it gets up !!
Redd
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Really nice skin Machnix, could even get me out of my F6F.
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Machnix should get the nickname "boomerang" since he comes right back to you with a revised skin.
Man - hats off Machnix, fast, beautiful skin. You had that little bugger sat in a hanger waiting for someone to ask didn't you?:D
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The bird has been created and shipped to Texas. It is now up to HT.
Thanks all for the comments. :aok
MachNix
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Your skin is up but have transparancy problem :(
I'll post in bug forum tomorow ,it's late here and I need to sleep badly.