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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Bodhi on June 04, 2004, 08:13:22 PM
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Monday, May 31, 2004 10:53 p.m. EDT
Kerry 'Flips Off' Vietnam Vet
Former Congressman John Leboutillier reports on a Memorial Day confrontation between Sen. John Kerry and a fellow Vietnam veteran:
Democratic senator - and certain presidential nominee - John F. Kerry gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning, NewsMax.com has learned.
Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 a.m. Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, "Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here."
At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about 6 feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN T-shirt.
Kerry then began talking to a group of schoolchildren. Sampley then showed the T-shirt to the children and said, "Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam."
Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly 'flashed the bird' at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, "Sampley is a felon!"
Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Sen. John McCain's chief aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose.
Sampley's group, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, has garnered huge national attention and has been featured in the New York Times, the Washington Post and on MSNBC's "Scarborough Country." Tens of thousands of Vietnam vets have registered their opposition to Kerry through Sampley's group.
Clearly Sampley has gotten under Kerry's skin once again.
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So, the guy feels entitled to dictate who can and can't visit the memorial, uses children in his pursuit to antagonize somone, and is a felon because he attacked a guy in a stairwell. Sounds like a real upstanding guy.
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Kerry should have kicked his bellybutton too, just like McCain's aide did.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Kerry should have kicked his bellybutton too, just like McCain's aide did.
better re read, it was the aid (Mark Salter)that came back bloodied not Sampley.
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Best thing I've heard about Kerry in a while.
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I thought you Yanks liked plain talking and outspoken leaders?
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Too gawdamned funny.
"Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here."
What a tard.
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I must invoke liberal tactic #3 and question the source - Newsmax?? come on you might as well qute Matt Drudge.
Got any better sources?
a quick Google search reveals that currently Newsmax is the sole source, and it is being repeated by the right wing blogs echo chamber.
smells like a smear campaign to me.
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Your right, MCCAIN should have kicked his ass.
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Can't say I blame Kerry, though with children there it mighta been wise to be more restrained. Teach by example so to speak. For most folks, flipping the bird never solved anything, and only escalates the potential violence factor.
That other fellow is definitely irrational to do such a thing, and only weakened his own cause.
Les
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good for him and Mccain, I would have gone after him, too !
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none of this changes the fact that "he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam"
The wall is a public place and Kerry has every right to be there. But it doesnt chang the fact that "he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam"
(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_package.jpg)
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
The wall is a public place and Kerry has every right to be there. But it doesnt chang the fact that "he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam"
That's not a fact. That is an opinion.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
none of this changes the fact that "he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam"
The wall is a public place and Kerry has every right to be there. But it doesnt chang the fact that "he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam"
(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_package.jpg)
I agree. After he returned home, he didn't do them any favors, that's for sure.
Les
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Wow you mean people are suspose to be offended that kerry give this ******* the bird? I think he showed great restraint there.
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Originally posted by Trell
Wow you mean people are suspose to be offended that kerry give this ******* the bird? I think he showed great restraint there.
Who's offended. He had every right to be there....
see kerrys testimony before congress....that's offensive
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November can't get here soon enough.
-SW
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Kerry had EVERY right to be there.
Sampley is a certified wacko.
NewsMax? Gimme a break, they likely paid the wacko.
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I'm gonna write in Homer Simson.......
Gunns
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Wasn't this proven to be false yesterday?
edit: Yes, it is a total BS story.
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I'll say this then I'll go. Serious bird flipping is serious business. Someone who knows how to do it properly will scare the poop out of you. It's usually accompanied by cursing and threats of immediate death. That's the way to scare someone.
That happened to me one time out fishing in the Gulf of Mexico. Stupid thing, but I went out with a newbie (he wanted to go snapper fishing in his new leaky boat) and he drove right up on some guys from Biloxi about 30 miles out. We were gonna drop anchor and fish. I told him we were approaching too fast (bad fishing ettiquette). There were two guys and a woman there and they weren't fishing. Their boat was about 24' cuddy cabin.
One man said, we drop anchor there they would kill us. Looked like he had a revolver in his hand. The other one flipped the bird in a way I'd never seen before, and was ectremely intimidating.
We got the hellout of there fast.
Les
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This is probably a more accurate account...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/31/kerry.memorial/
Kerry's 1971 Speech
http://www.vietnamwar.com/JohnKerryVietnamVeteransAgainsttheWar.htm
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
November can't get here soon enough.
-SW
Heeeeeeeey!!!! ......ive been waiting for summer for too long for this kind of statement..pls restrain yourself :D
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Well.....
I dont like John Kerry so lets get that RIGHT OUT THERE!
I do however, think that Sampley approached this all in the wrong way. If I were Kerry I probably would have done the same thing.
What I get INCENSED about is all this stuff being brought up about what happened 30 years ago.....I am sorry but lets stick to things happening TODAY.....
You know what....I am sure that we have all done things in the past 30 years or so that we are not proud of or wish we could take back. I dont know if Kerry cares....I dont know if he wants to take what he did back....was it offensive to our troops....I think so....but it was a LONG time ago.
I wish they would just cut the crap on the TV ads and such and stick to relevent stuff....OH WAIT...this is politics...WONT HAPPEN.
AGAIN I REITERATE....I dont like John Kerry and in will NO WAY vote for him....(originally a M******* so I know this guy and WOW)....
My 3.5 centavos
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Originally posted by guttboy
Well.....
I dont like John Kerry so lets get that RIGHT OUT THERE!
I do however, think that Sampley approached this all in the wrong way. If I were Kerry I probably would have done the same thing.
What I get INCENSED about is all this stuff being brought up about what happened 30 years ago.....I am sorry but lets stick to things happening TODAY.....
You know what....I am sure that we have all done things in the past 30 years or so that we are not proud of or wish we could take back. I dont know if Kerry cares....I dont know if he wants to take what he did back....was it offensive to our troops....I think so....but it was a LONG time ago.
I wish they would just cut the crap on the TV ads and such and stick to relevent stuff....OH WAIT...this is politics...WONT HAPPEN.
AGAIN I REITERATE....I dont like John Kerry and in will NO WAY vote for him....(originally a M******* so I know this guy and WOW)....
My 3.5 centavos
It was fake. None of this ever happened.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
It was fake. None of this ever happened.
that won't stop the wingnuts from repeating it again and again. You will here it from the same ones 6 months from now.
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All I saw was wingnuts agreeing that Kerry did the right thing. If it is false, why would they continue to drag it out?
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
It was fake. None of this ever happened.
We agree for once. :D
(http://www.bobandtom.com/gen3/1cover_img/mr_obvious.jpg)