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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: hazed- on June 04, 2001, 07:35:00 PM
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<S> all the virtual flyers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Ive cancelled my account.Many things have made my mind up to leave and if you got a second ill tell you why.
the main reason all stems from the pricing fiasco from last year.I waited for quite a few months for some sign from HTC over their promise to 'look into' a possible reduction in price.Nothing has happened or even been mentioned since.Im sorry but whilst i think the price was reasonable i find it unacceptable that others pay less, maketing research or not you offered those customers who showed no interest in staying a 'prize'of sorts in the reduced rate.Ive been here since beta testing and there has been nothing in the way of reward for being a long term supporter.
ALso i find AH seems to be stuck in a basic 'checkers' type game with hardly any strategy involved.It has been the same way for so long im afraid ive just got bored with it.I greatly urge HTC to concentrate their efforts on adding more to do in terms of tactical targets or just plain new targets like trains or bridges.Whether this is an unfair criticism i dont know because obviously ive been playing a long time and no one can be expected to cater for such a long term player but im sorry its not enough anymore for me.
Id have prefered to see a historic arena rather than the dueling arena which is basically a condensed and sparsley populated MA but without any strategy.Good though it was for the few times i flew there there.
Htc have produced a fantastic product of that there is no doubt but this makes it even harder to accept the way it seems to be heading.away from the realistic stuff and more towards the quick fix furball type game.
I downloaded AH because i saw in a magazine (PCgamer) a small reveiw about it.I tried it out and found it incredibly hard.I had never played any other online sim game but even though it was so hard i was hooked by the realistic handleing of the planes and i wanted to master it.Well 2 years on almost I still havent 'mastered' the planes but as for the 'game' well theres nothing else to do, and i think this is the problem.Those that claim a little added difficulty will drive customers away are full of toejam HTC. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I wont go on about other stuff like the mg151s but i have tried to explain about what i feel is a problem but its been made quite clear thats the way the allied flyers want them to stay.I say anything, its a whine.well ok, call it what you want, but i think i was merely seeing a big discrepency in effectiveness of the guns between the USAAF/RAF guns and LWs guns and the constant childlike name calling on the bbs for questioning anything related to LW planes just pissed me off.Thats the kind of thing that drives customers away if you ask me.
so all those who claim the game is right how it is, you have got your way (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) most that fly LW have left.Im sure its because of that 'feeling' ( (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)well p51 WAS the greatest plane of all time right?).I flew Allied planes 1st day of this tour to double check i was not imagining the difference but unfortunately it just confirmed it.cant be bothered to explain as ive posted stuff on it before and as usual 'certain' vocal members say its whining or the model is exactly correct.how are you so sure?
mistakes are made, 190a5 FM , roll rate of typhoon, weight of p47-d11,etc so dont be to quick in future to claim the numbers match what we see.slight errors in the programme can produce odd effects and im sure 'something' is wrong with the cannons on LW stuff.
ah well you probably dont give a sh*t so ill just say cya all and <S> for all the fun ive had flying and fighting with and against you all.
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Hazed
9./JG54
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<starts his stopwatch>
Dude... we'll miss ya. But do you really think you can quit this drug that easily?
I'll keep ya seat warm in the 190 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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hazed damit where u go ? all LW knight forces leaving :-((((((((((((((
who will fight the hordes ?
damit%$#@^%$#^
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<S> hazed it has been fun flying with u (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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<S> Come back soon.
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Hey Hazed!
Daniko and I were talking about this just the other day on H2H. New types of stratgies need to be available for the people looking for that type of entertainment in a combat flight simulator.
Truck convoys on road and bridges, smaller and seperate fuel and ordance depots. The destruction of these will effect the surrounding airfields and ports. Transport convoys on the open ocean to deliver supplies to ports.
I mentioned these type of additions over a year ago but no joy. It seems people who want this type of additions are a minority and probably won't get listened to. Ya gota wonder what HTC will do after all the planes and ships run out! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But then again that is HTC's business. They need to do what is best to grow the player base and in turn grow their company.
Aces High is still the best bet out there for on-line enjoyment for a WWII combat flight simulator.
Hazed you are another oldtimer that is leaving. I could tell by your post you were getting aggrivated with the playability. You may just need a break for awhile. It helps. Try to keep things in perspective.
You were always a joy to fly with and I always felt safer with you in the air around me. You were a true squadMATE!
Salute and Best of Luck!
Swager
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<S> Hazed.
Will miss ya buddy.
(http://www.swoop.com/images/logo_small.jpg)
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To say that "most that fly LW have left" is one helluva stretch.
A few guys with major gameplay issues left, because they were unhappy with the product as it's presented. That makes complete sense. To each his own. Hit the cancel button, drop HTC a email why if it makes you feel better.
It's the leaving and posting about it with subtle hints that everyone has "gotten their way", that HTC is somehow marketing their product wrong as a conspiracy against you and doomed to furball failure, and the "woe is the oppressed poor me" that garners you no sympathy from me anyway.
I know your tired of the LW whine remarks, but jeez, you couldn't even NOT mention the mg151's vs. USAAF guns, P51's, etc... on your way out.
None of that is name calling, it's just the way see it.
Calling the 9./JG54 a bunch of popsicles would be name calling. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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<S>!
AH community has lost a class act. I hope that this is just a temporary thing. Won't be the same barrelling down on a 109 not having that nervous buzz in the back of my head... "hope it aint Hazed..."
Lonz
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Hazed..
<S!> Bro. We've had some great fights.. some good times. Speaking as one simmer to another, it's class pilots like yourself that make the sim enjoyable... you leaving will make it less so.
Come back soon..
Hang
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Hazed! <S> was a pleasure flying against you, and chatting with you in the MA. You're a fine gentleman,and AH will miss you greatly.
Unfortunately hazed, and I fly the 190 99% of the time, the Mauser cannons weren't in the same league with hispanos. the hispano 20mm projectile weighed 4.4 ounces, whereas the MG/151 merely weighed 3.5 ounces, so therein lies the reason why Hispanos did more damage. The muzzel velocity of the MG/151 was about 2500 ft./sec, and the Hispanos velocity was approximately 2750 ft/sec. both had a firing rate of approximately 750 rounds/min. We who fly 190s', 109s' etc, just have to fly better <G>
Hope to see you back soon!
Hajo
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thanks all <S>
just had to reply to creamo :
youve got me wrong on the mg151 creamo, read this post to save me the time of retyping it all.Pay carefull attentin to mandoble too hes a lot clearer than me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum8/HTML/001544.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum8/HTML/001544.html)
i know its a long one but it ends in understanding i think.its not all mg151s so you'll have to read through it ! phew its long! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 06-04-2001).]
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Damn hazed, real sorry to see you go, been flying with you since beta, you have always shown a lot of class. I have also seen the frustration in your posts of late, hope ya just need a bit of time off. <S>
Shamus
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Hazed,come back soon.Too many old timers leaving and too many fur ballers coming.<S>
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<S!> hazed
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See ya around LuftWhiner
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<S> Hazed,
This is really sad news (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif). Please take a break and think about comin back.
Maik
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again, no reason not to die killing the other guys in this game, and assorted quakishness. WE NEEEED A REASON TO EXIST !
please make it a penalty to die 979 times in a row. Otherwise after awhile its just to dang boring to play this.
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Today's number: 5. That's a third of our size from just a few weeks back.
We're still kicking allied and Creamo's ass, as we proved the other day when a whole 4 of us got online and started capturing bases (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
<S!> hazed, we've talked about this before on squad channel and I understand where ya coming from. I am still saddened to see you leave (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
See ya either here or in another som
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Baron StSanta Von GrossenArsch
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Arrrgggg sad to see u go Hazed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
ure a exellent player with humor and a strong neck (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). Im still remembering the fun ju88 missions we had in the medeterrian event.
airguard
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Hazed, I see your points and agree with them. I personally have the felling of having conceded a lot of time and money to this game supporting it while waiting for it to grow up and become something really different than a beta. Another good 190 pilot gave me a very precisse comment: all online games are like being always in beta stage, living forever as noticeably incomplete products. And this is true. For example, most of "boxed" and finished games comes with all the desired options avaliable, and later you can get expansions with more planes and/or vehicles. Here we have usually a boost in the planeset but not in gameplay.
Anyway, while AH, IMO, seems like being in a very early beta stage in reference to gameplay options, I have the "feeling" HTC has the potential to change this in the near future, so I still bet for this team. In the meanwhile, I can get some fun times in this kind of MA while I dont like it at all.
Good luck where you go, we'll miss you. Anyway, I hope you reconsider your march. Take some resting days (as I'm doing just now), and come here again. Loosing a single 190 pilot will have a tremendous impact in the diversity of planes you can find in MA (you know what I mean (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ).
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<S> Hazed.
Will miss ya buddy
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hazed
ot, but maybe it will help you and others who are up tight. if these guys are half as good as i've heard from beta testrs, then it may be the sim that gives you all your looking for at a terrrific price!
chekc out these threads and read up on this thing. ask them if they'll do what u want from a sim game. there's guys developing wwii and ww1 stuff besides the korean planes. it could be a real sleeper that finally adds real strategy to online flight simmin.
http://www.targetware.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000202.html (http://www.targetware.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000202.html)
http://www.targetware.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000147.html (http://www.targetware.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000147.html)
http://www.targetware.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000199.html (http://www.targetware.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000199.html)
http://www.targetware.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000210.html (http://www.targetware.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000210.html)
http://www.targetware.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000214.html (http://www.targetware.net/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000214.html)
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<S> Hazed.
Read my reply in the Squad BBS.
Wont be long buddy till I is with ya. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I am trying to get out the door but Santa's Arse is blocking it!
VoX
9./JG54
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Hazed,
Sorry to see you go. I hope you will reconsider it. AH can not be everything to everyone, it lacks strategic and reality element greatly, but it is still a great product.
So, I hope you will reconsider it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
At least you LW pilots shall participate this year Allies/Axis rumble. Who will prove that LW is uber if you all will leave? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S> and see you again.
Fariz
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<S> It was always fun winging with you in the good old JG 2 days.
Take a break for a few months, then come back.
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Milo
"Preceive those things which cannot be seen."
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Damn, another Knit General leaves us...oh the agony of defeat! <S> Hazed, was a pleasure flying with you as a squaddie as well as beside you as a knit.
<S>
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I am strictly an 8th Airforce iron type of guy and seeing the departure of so many dedicated german aircraft pilots really sucks. I also have been here since late beta
And we are kidding ourselves if we dont think this incredible game is shifting towards sandbox playtime with strat and simulation being chucked out the window.I
June 6th is tommorrow maybe I will check the other game out...
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How do you say goodbye to someone who always had a good word or a (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) for everyone he met?
How do you accept that the guy who was always there to clear your 6 or call targets for you won't be there anymore?
Hazed this place won't be the same without you. Your a class act, a gentleman, and a damm fine pilot. Clear skies & good hunting wherever you go! <S>
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Pollock, you've been here since beta.. as have I. I've always been following HT since CK v.91... I know exactly where this is heading, you need to give him time. 6 people is a lot less than what he had before.
-SW
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"And we are kidding ourselves if we dont think this incredible game is shifting towards sandbox playtime with strat and simulation being chucked out the window."
Quantify that please. In what ways do you see this?
-Westy
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Is it worth the five bucks man?
IS IT WORTH IT...ARGGGHHHHH!!!
LMAO
<S>
Yeager
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Originally posted by minus:
hazed damit where u go ? all LW knight forces leaving :-((((((((((((((
who will fight the hordes ?
damit%$#@^%$#^
lol the LWers found out the Ta152 and 190 D9
wasnt the Awsome bellybutton saving planes they thought they were, and now with no plane to squeak n whine for to make them uber pilots
they all start to leave ROFLMAO.
YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNN
whels
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Beer for Whels!
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Originally posted by hazed-:
ah well you probably dont give a sh*t so ill just say cya all and <S> ..
I fall in this category..
<S> Hazed and all the other ppl leaving, cu in 6 months or less....
Eagler
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well, i suppose if enough Luftwhiners leave loudly enough... HTC may give em some unrealistic concession like uber 151's. Course then they will be back to arrogant and insufferable and wrong instead of pouty and wrong. Maybe a LW carrier plane or the 262? Sheesh... the D9 and the 152 weren't enough?
lazs
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Good Lord, what did the "1" on Laz do?!
(Thats several great posts in a row all a sudden)
Beer for Laz1!
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eagler,creamo,laz <finger> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
oh and whels too........
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Hazed
9./JG54
[This message has been edited by hazed- (edited 06-05-2001).]
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cya hazed
come back and see us soon...
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damn
<S> hazed. Might see you face to face in your Emil, me in my Hurricane, in that other game...
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I rule.
1st Lt. Hogni "Darling" Gylfason
332nd FG "Flying Mongrels"
143rd Pursuit Wing
(http://peterson.gm.is/img/darling_143.jpg)
[This message has been edited by darling (edited 06-05-2001).]
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Originally posted by darling:
damn
<S> hazed. Might see you face to face in your Emil, me in my Hurricane, in that other game...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif) Whaddya mean in that other game??? you better NOT be leaving too! I just spent all morning cleaning yer P51!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Oh well, if that other game turns out to be any good, at least I know I'll have a good person to wing for! ( oh, I ain't leaving AH even if WWIIOL IS good. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) )
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cya hazed
<S>
trm
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Originally posted by whels:
lol the LWers found out the Ta152 and 190 D9
wasnt the Awsome bellybutton saving planes they thought they were, and now with no plane to squeak n whine for to make them uber pilots
they all start to leave ROFLMAO.
YAAAAAWWWWWNNNNNN
whels
well who else than that guy coulda written that lol, im really sad too see somone even trying (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
airguard
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Damm there goes another one!
But I know were your coming from, At least on the strategie Hazed, Good luck and ~S!
(http://null.dk/~ssl/483/dg.gif)
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All the best (http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/otn/wink/thumb.gif)
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Well Hazed, . ..you follow in the footsteps of some of the greatest team-players i've known. .. . .Bigjoe, . . .Ash, . . .Milo, . . .myself, we've all left AH tho we still hold to our JG2 identity and look forward to something else, . . or some development here in HTC that shall draw us back in. My reasons for leaving had nothing to do with the fm, . .or the gun models, . .but more with the lack of interest i have in a Master Arena type environment. I do see the day ahead tho, when the Squad events, . .and the Multi-frame events become a larger part of the HTC business, . .thanks to growing support from obsessed and fanatical custumers. I look forward to these times ... .
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Daniko the madfish
3./JG2 (http://members.home.net/winyah999/3jg2.htm)
".... Suddenly he stopped in the middle of the room and stood there staring. His voice was blurred, and his behavior that of a completely abnormal person. He spoke in staccato phrases; "If there should be war, then I shall build U-boats, build U-boats, U-boats, U-boats, U-boats." His voice became more indistinct and finally one could not follow him at all. Then he pulled himself together, raised his voice as though addressing a large audience and shrieked: " I shall build airplanes, build airplanes, airplanes, airplanes, and I shall annihilate my enemies." He seemed more like a phantom from a storybook than a real person. I stared at him in amazement and turned to see how Goering was reacting, but he did not turn a hair...." {Dahlerus, Birger; August 26th, 1939}
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Hazed,
Nice guy, shame about his dress sence (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) LOL
Anyway (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I am sure this is not the last time we will see you broooo (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
<S> Fair winds and clear skys.
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thnx all :) im sure i will return one day wen theres a bit more 'to do' in AH
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noooooooo say it ant so :confused:
sorry to see ya go man you will be misse
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