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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: storch on June 07, 2004, 07:49:32 AM
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We have travelled abroad frequently but not since our eldest daughter was 14 years of age. She is now 24 and decided to take a european trip on her own. With apprehension and misgiving I consented and granted my permission (helped out with some of her expenses). She visited Madrid where we have friends and relatives and Sevilla where her Grandmother lives currently.
I am pleased to report that I have a true American for a daughter, Thank God.
She can now appreciate the superiority of our system and our ways. I'm glad she took this trip as an adult, those two weeks in southern europe have had an impact on her world view that no amount of my explaining could have ever accomplished.
I think that I will send my other children on their own to europe as they reach 25 years of age.
What a great place for young Americans to learn what not to be like. It really wouldn't have mattered much where she visited as you guys are pretty much the same politically speaking.
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Let us know if you catch anything! :D
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VOR!! :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by VOR
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Let us know if you catch anything! :D
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Ya know Storch, you might want to look into the possibility that she went over there knowing your political leanings and had a blast, partied, went to the nude beaches everyday, did drugs, drank like a fish, slept with dozens of hairy Italian men, some hairy French women, and then came home to tell you how much she hated it over there knowing you'd foot the bill to send her back . Most daughters are VERY resourceful.
Just a thought.
:D
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Ya know Storch, you might want to look into the possibility that she went over there knowing your political leanings and had a blast, partied, went to the nude beaches everyday, did drugs, drank like a fish, slept with dozens of hairy Italian men, some hairy French women, and then came home to tell you how much she hated it over there knowing you'd foot the bill to send her back . Most daughters are VERY resourceful.
Just a thought.
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Thats what i would have done, minus the italian men. Everybody knows the spainarids are the real lovers.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Ya know Storch, you might want to look into the possibility that she went over there knowing your political leanings and had a blast, partied, went to the nude beaches everyday, did drugs, drank like a fish, slept with dozens of hairy Italian men, some hairy French women, and then came home to tell you how much she hated it over there knowing you'd foot the bill to send her back . Most daughters are VERY resourceful.
Just a thought.
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sacrilige *makes the sign of the cross with his fingers* she wouldn't do it with hairy men or girls :D Now smooth hairless ones might be a possibilty. In any case they would most likely have been Spanish. She doesn't drink or do drugs here so need to concern myself with that there aside from that euro drugs are clearly inferior to our drugs. Besides I should have said that she went with her husband, a man completely unworthy of a fine woman such as my daughter :) . What would she have done with him during all this partying?
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I don't believe a word of it. I think you invented the daughter story just so you could foam at the mouth. You need to see a doctor about this obsessive pattern in your posts. It is not normal.
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lol VOR :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by Rolex
I don't believe a word of it. I think you invented the daughter story just so you could foam at the mouth. You need to see a doctor about this obsessive pattern in your posts. It is not normal.
uggh I'm crushed *look of dispair on his face* I'm really concerned with what you do or do not care to believe. Please say it ain't so!
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Originally posted by storch
sacrilige *makes the sign of the cross with his fingers* she wouldn't do it with hairy men or girls :D Now smooth hairless ones might be a possibilty. In any case they would most likely have been Spanish. She doesn't drink or do drugs here so need to concern myself with that there aside from that euro drugs are clearly inferior to our drugs. Besides I should have said that she went with her husband, a man completely unworthy of a fine woman such as my daughter :) . What would she have done with him during all this partying?
Ummmm....let him watch?
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Ummmm....let him watch?
;)
:rofl, na he would only want to interfere.
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It's certainly a translation error ... did you wrote she's 2 week late ?
You'll be an happy grand daddy soon :p :p
Ps : I hope she enjoyed the trip,nothing better than making trip when young.
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Originally posted by straffo
It's certainly a translation error ... did you wrote she's 2 week late ?
You'll be an happy grand daddy soon :p :p
Ps : I hope she enjoyed the trip,nothing better than making trip when young.
She did have a nice time especially in Sevilla. Next year they are going to Belgium where we have a cousin that lives in Bruges. She came down to Madrid and they spent some time together. She convinced them for a return trip. :)
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Mmmh better not go to Belgium. We might eat her you know... Some of us stopped to be antropophagi just 30 generations ago...
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Originally posted by deSelys
Mmmh better not go to Belgium. We might eat her you know... Some of us stopped to be antropophagi just 30 generations ago...
:aok
never been to Belgium officially, but I stopped there for several hours OTW to Prague in december. Wow, I needed a commuter flight to get to the other terminal, but the beer/food/chocolate was great, too bad I didn't have time to see the rest of the country .
Storch, I do believe you should try to get out more, and stop worrying about how superior one group is to the next, there are actually wonderful things about europe that we don't have the freedom to do here. Just like we have wonderful things here not availablein europe...oh well.
Who knows, maybe you have this thing against beautiful topless women, I don't, but hey, that's just me (guess that makes me a pino commie liberal...lol)...And for the record, I have yet to see any women in europe any harier than women here. Maybe you're just looking at men? :D
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Originally posted by deSelys
Mmmh better not go to Belgium. We might eat her you know... Some of us stopped to be antropophagi just 30 generations ago...
I tried to warn her about the whole of that continent but she wouldn't listen and subsequently had a nice time. what am I to do? But at least she thinks you guys are politically challenged. :)
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Hey, she looking for a young man? Pics? :rofl
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
:aok
never been to Belgium officially, but I stopped there for several hours OTW to Prague in december. Wow, I needed a commuter flight to get to the other terminal, but the beer/food/chocolate was great, too bad I didn't have time to see the rest of the country .
Storch, I do believe you should try to get out more, and stop worrying about how superior one group is to the next, there are actually wonderful things about europe that we don't have the freedom to do here. Just like we have wonderful things here not availablein europe...oh well.
Who knows, maybe you have this thing against beautiful topless women, I don't, but hey, that's just me (guess that makes me a pino commie liberal...lol)...And for the record, I have yet to see any women in europe any harier than women here. Maybe you're just looking at men? :D
Quick anecdote, we step off of our ship USS Bigelow (DD942) in Ville Franche, just got off of the 0400-0800 watch and it's Saturday morning. For us it's lunch time. We go to this bistro right on the beach on a small peninsula and are drinking beer. One guy was just looking straight down by the railing and not participating in the conversation. We go look over where he's at and two very fine ladies are sunbathing topless. This is 1977, unheard of stuff for me. Yes that was a fine weekend. Also enjoyed Mallorca. We were docked at the dique del oeste in Palma and there were many good clubs not too far away. But far and away my favorite place in europe had to be San Remo, then Sicily followed by Venice. I really liked Italy, lots of Swedish tourists there in the winter.
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Originally posted by storch
Quick anecdote, we step off of our ship USS Bigelow (DD942) in Ville Franche, just got off of the 0400-0800 watch and it's Saturday morning. For us it's lunch time. We go to this bistro right on the beach on a small peninsula and are drinking beer. One guy was just looking straight down by the railing and not participating in the conversation. We go look over where he's at and two very fine ladies are sunbathing topless. This is 1977, unheard of stuff for me. Yes that was a fine weekend. Also enjoyed Mallorca. We were docked at the dique del oeste in Palma and there were many good clubs not too far away. But far and away my favorite place in europe had to be San Remo, then Sicily followed by Venice. I really liked Italy, lots of Swedish tourists there in the winter.
Try Iceland next time...probably my favorite place outside the US...
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Try Iceland next time...probably my favorite place outside the US...
Never been and have heard that from many people, also heard that there were some springs where the water is almost boiling hot and people bathed there by mixing in snow or something. Is that so?
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NO thats a TOTAL PR stunt...
Truth is, you are bathing in a cooling pool for one of their larger powerplants, although the superheated water activates the healing / cleansing properties in the volcanic rock.
http://www.bluelagoon.is/english/.
Companies in the US would never get away with this, but there's much more freedom there from Govt intervention than here, you don't even see disclaimers around clearly life-threatening sotuations, like the geyser and several waterfalls..if you die, it's not their problem :)
Much more conservative than most other countries, and the fishing is amazing, but pretty expensive. if you can sneak onto the Salmon River, it's worth the risk.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
there are actually wonderful things about europe that we don't have the freedom to do here. Just like we have wonderful things here not availablein europe...oh well.
hmm....doubt there is anything you can do that we cant actually. Can you name a few?
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funny hats? :D
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Originally posted by Nilsen
hmm....doubt there is anything you can do that we cant actually. Can you name a few?
Well here, we have the option of a flat rate for internet service, that wasn't the case (in Czech Republic). I think here we have a wider selection of foods and beverages to select from, and although ths is a consumer based response, these are some of the things I think the US has over some european countries...not that more choices of bad food is a bonus...just my opinion.
I think we have far more bad cable tv shows...and stations. I haven't been to every country overseas, so my scope is a bit limited, and I concede that. I think it's a bit easier to travel here, especially if you have a car.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Well here, we have the option of a flat rate for internet service, that wasn't the case (in Czech Republic). I think here we have a wider selection of foods and beverages to select from, and although ths is a consumer based response, these are some of the things I think the US has over some european countries...not that more choices of bad food is a bonus...just my opinion.
I think we have far more bad cable tv shows...and stations. I haven't been to every country overseas, so my scope is a bit limited, and I concede that. I think it's a bit easier to travel here, especially if you have a car.
By flat rate internet services i suppose you mean broadband with fixed monthly prices....we have had that for a long time.
More food/beverage brands...yes, prolly.
More TV channels...yes you do, by a good margin if you mean channels that "speak" your language (english).
Travelling by car is alot easyer than here in norway anyway because of the geography.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
By flat rate internet services i suppose you mean broadband with fixed monthly prices....we have had that for a long time.
More food/beverage brands...yes, prolly.
More TV channels...yes you do, by a good margin if you mean channels that "speak" your language (english).
Travelling by car is alot easyer than here in norway anyway because of the geography.
what about the funny hats??
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Yes, we can wear funny hats :D
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....have had an impact on her world view that no amount of my explaining could have ever accomplished
That's for sure, no doubt
:D
About all the other amenities ....well..... ohh....umpf...."our ways"....ohh...never mind, masta ;)
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Originally posted by storch
We have travelled abroad frequently but not since our eldest daughter was 14 years of age. She is now 24 and decided to take a european trip on her own. With apprehension and misgiving I consented and granted my permission (helped out with some of her expenses). She visited Madrid where we have friends and relatives and Sevilla where her Grandmother lives currently.
I am pleased to report that I have a true American for a daughter, Thank God.
She can now appreciate the superiority of our system and our ways. I'm glad she took this trip as an adult, those two weeks in southern europe have had an impact on her world view that no amount of my explaining could have ever accomplished.
I think that I will send my other children on their own to europe as they reach 25 years of age.
What a great place for young Americans to learn what not to be like. It really wouldn't have mattered much where she visited as you guys are pretty much the same politically speaking.
Storch, that post is very revealing about you unless this is a very clever troll. I don't know quite how to take it.
First off you say YOU gave permission to your married daughter of 24 to travel to Spain. You then said YOU will send your other children aged 25 to Europe. Are you kidding? At 24 she's a full grown adult and a married woman???????????????? :( Has she moved out of your house yet??
This is not criticism, just an observation. You seem very controlling and patriarchal. LOL
Also to say the 'we' are pretty much the same politically is absurd. Spain is about as different politically and culturally from my country as is Mexico is from the USA. Europe is not all the same. Every country has it's peculiarities, good and bad. The Spanish work different hours, eat at different times, eat different foods and see the world differently to most other countries. They are anything but typical. The Spanish really know what life is about in my opinion and seem to live it to the full. I've been to Seville recently. I hope she saw it the way I did.
I think the USA is wonderful but not superior politically or whatever to my country, just different. You are entitled to think that though. Most of the countries of the world think they are the greatest country there is. It's called patriotism.
You say you travelled. If all it did was to confirm your prejudices then I suggest you stay home from now on. In your case travel, it seems, did not broaden the mind.
I think this is a troll because in later posts you admit liking Italy which in truth is probably the most chaotic country in Europe politically. It's full of Communists and every other 'ism' known to man. But like the Spanish the Italians love life and food and their kids.
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Originally posted by cpxxx
Storch, that post is very revealing about you unless this is a very clever troll. I don't know quite how to take it.
First off you say YOU gave permission to your married daughter of 24 to travel to Spain. You then said YOU will send your other children aged 25 to Europe. Are you kidding? At 24 she's a full grown adult and a married woman???????????????? :( Has she moved out of your house yet??
This is not criticism, just an observation. You seem very controlling and patriarchal. LOL
Also to say the 'we' are pretty much the same politically is absurd. Spain is about as different politically and culturally from my country as is Mexico is from the USA. Europe is not all the same. Every country has it's peculiarities, good and bad. The Spanish work different hours, eat at different times, eat different foods and see the world differently to most other countries. They are anything but typical. The Spanish really know what life is about in my opinion and seem to live it to the full. I've been to Seville recently. I hope she saw it the way I did.
I think the USA is wonderful but not superior politically or whatever to my country, just different. You are entitled to think that though. Most of the countries of the world think they are the greatest country there is. It's called patriotism.
You say you travelled. If all it did was to confirm your prejudices then I suggest you stay home from now on. In your case travel, it seems, did not broaden the mind.
I think this is a troll because in later posts you admit liking Italy which in truth is probably the most chaotic country in Europe politically. It's full of Communists and every other 'ism' known to man. But like the Spanish the Italians love life and food and their kids.
Yes she went, yes I gave her permission and money to go, yes she's married, no she doesn't live at home but we helped her buy a house as a wedding present, yes we are patriarchal as are many from my country (I'm actually Cuban naturalized American). yes I love southern europe and Italy most of all, Yes the Spanish siesta is an awesome idea, I've been eating Spanish food my whole life. My wife is American from Asturian parents. My family is from Italy and Acadian French on my father's side and Cataluna on my mother's side. yes I think you guys are mostly political morons. yes I think America is the greatest place on earth, yes I agree with your assesment of how travel has affected me, travel is but a foretaste of hell but it needs to be experienced so that we can appreciate what we have here in America. However travel to the Caribbean and South America were very appealing to me because of how nice the people where as opposed to the euros which excluding Southern France, Spain and Italy struck me as actually quite rude. The Parisiens worst of all. My cousin from Belgium says that it is because we (Americans) are like peaches, soft on the outside but with a tough pit inside but Euros are like nuts, hard on the outside but soft on the inside. I agree with this analogy perhaps if you guys in the North of Europe were a little less formal, but who am I to say? and finally yes I shall never return to Europe.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
hmm....doubt there is anything you can do that we cant actually. Can you name a few?
We can own guns.
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Hahah, three weeks abroad, in one nation, and she can form an opinion on an entire continent?
Man, that's like the krikkits in hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.
"It must go".
Storch, I know you hate me for being a Yuropheean, but I love ya man. You may feel disgust for me and Europe, but I cannot bring myself to think less of you. And I can't really give a sh|t about what someone on your side of the pond happens to think about my little spot in the world - it's mine, it works the way it does, I'm pretty happy with it overall, and it takes a lot more than words for your input to change anything in my daily life, so it just doesn't matter.
Because it'd be f_cking boring without the red blooded American patriots Insta-Knowledge types. They're good to have around, to get some balance from the commie socialists here :D.
I shall go out and see if I can score a 16 year old soon. It's legal here, you see. And it's such tender meat. And they're easy.
How old is your daughter again?
So, to all the Insta-Experience Americans out there , and see ya sooner or later. :) :D
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yes I shall never return to Europe.
Good!
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Storch, one might argue that Cuba is as jacked up a Nation as there is, and since you're Cuban the obvious question is- If you are so concerned over politics of other Nations then why don't you go back to Cuba and make a real difference?
Oh, wait- you are "naturalized." That makes you superior to everyone else. ;)
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Damn Airhead, you seem less liberal with each post :)
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Originally posted by Airhead
We can own guns.
I own guns.
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Originally posted by Airhead
We can own guns.
There are more guns per person in Norway than in the US. Main difference is perhaps that we mostly have hunting rifles and shotguns, not as many pistols.
Next..... :)
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We can travel to Sweden and Norway and we dont even need a passport. Most of the time no-one even bother to check what Im doing. :D
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I am pleased to report that I have a true American for a daughter, Thank God.
Please define the term "True American". And please explain the difference between a true American and a European.
She can now appreciate the superiority of our system and our ways.
Please explain the superiority of your system and your ways.
those two weeks in southern europe have had an impact on her world view that no amount of my explaining could have ever accomplished.
What is it that you have tried to explain to her about Europe?
I think that I will send my other children on their own to europe as they reach 25 years of age.
Please do, we need more American girls to corrupt over here.
What a great place for young Americans to learn what not to be like.
Same here, how should young Americans be like then? whats the differance?
All in all, this post by Storch must be a troll, no one can be this dense. One of the most "racist" (cant find the right word) posts ive read here.
If this indeed is Storch´s true belives then hes the stereotype of an American that we got over here...
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Originally posted by storch
However travel to the Caribbean and South America were very appealing to me because of how nice the people where as opposed to the euros which excluding Southern France, Spain and Italy struck me as actually quite rude. The Parisiens worst of all. My cousin from Belgium says that it is because we (Americans) are like peaches, soft on the outside but with a tough pit inside but Euros are like nuts, hard on the outside but soft on the inside. I agree with this analogy perhaps if you guys in the North of Europe were a little less formal, but who am I to say? and finally yes I shall never return to Europe.
Did they seem rude to you because they didn't do small talk the way you people do? I find many Americans unthrustworthy BS talkers. However I met some of the nicest people ever when I was
there and I plan to return, propably to Florida next time. If you indeed travel to strenghten you prejudices please do yourself and the rest of us a favor and stay home.
Originally posted by Maniac
All in all, this post by Storch must be a troll, no one can be this dense. One of the most "racist" (cant find the right word) posts ive read here.
If this indeed is Storch´s true belives then hes the stereotype of an American that we got over here...
Indeed.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Storch, one might argue that Cuba is as jacked up a Nation as there is, and since you're Cuban the obvious question is- If you are so concerned over politics of other Nations then why don't you go back to Cuba and make a real difference?
Oh, wait- you are "naturalized." That makes you superior to everyone else. ;)
Why would I want to return to a place that I haven't seen since I was three years of age. The United States is my home and I unashamedly love America. Maybe more than you do.
Cuba has been so badly destroyed by european ideas in action as to be useless. there are currently two generations on that island know only daddy Castro and mother Russia as providers. And they are lost. They have no work ethic and we see that here in Miami in the countless rafters when we hire them. Some are able to assimilate others are clogging our judicial system or dead.
The Cuban of the pre Castro revolution resides mainly in the gracious, generous United States. We came to Miami, Florida and converted it from a sleepy backwater into a thriving metropolis that does more for the US economy than any other city it's size.
The result of european social and economic experimentation may be readily witnessed firsthand on the island of Cuba today. Another stark example would the two Koreas.
WTG europe.
I dislike some europeans because of the commonly held negative view towards Americans.
The interesting thing is that since I'm fluent in Spanish, Portugese and creole plus I can muddle my way through French and Italian and I'm not white you wouldn't readily pick me up as a conservative American.
It's easy to start conversations in pubs and such and since I generally give everyone I meet a clean slate it's no problem starting small talk. "So you are from Cuba? Yes. Ah yes fidel! great man how he has shaken his member at America for 40 years!! (or words to that effect). I concede two positives to fidel first is education currently Cuba has a literacy level of 99% the highest on earth. Secondly in the Area of Medicine, Cuban researchers and doctors are world class. I freely admit and admire this. at some point in the conversation I have to say well hold on now I was born in Cuba but now I'm American. (Raised european eyebrows, body language is so cool). Actually my family was involved with the Batista regime and had businesses on the National level, we were forced to flee from Cuba to different parts of the world. I'm glad my father selected the United States. From that point the conversation usually degenerates but not always. I have met a few people who were cool with that and we could continue to drink and converse but the majority just wander off. Some while commenting. hehehe.
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I dislike some europeans because of the commonly held negative view towards Americans.
I dislike alot of Americans because of the commonly held negative view towards Europeans.
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LOL!
Now he's blaming Europe for what happened to Cuba.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by storch
..."So you are from Cuba? Yes. Ah yes fidel! great man how he has shaken his member at America for 40 years!! (or words to that effect)...
You're lying, or making up conversations that never took place.
Castro is viewed as a dictator here. Only a very small percentage of the population has sympathy for him.
And blaming Europe for what happened in Cuba... :lol.
Unless your un-education makes you think that USSR was a part of Europe?
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Originally posted by mora
LOL!
Now he's blaming Europe for what happened to Cuba.:rolleyes:
Naturally!! you guys have managed to start two global wars, kill hundreds of millions of people and spawn worldwide communism!! not to mention all the other negative "isms". The funny thing is that your stupid ideas always flows outward from europe to contaminate and hurt the rest of us. Those of us whose ancestors left you did it for a reason those of you whose ancestors remained will never get it. :D
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Originally posted by deSelys
You're lying, or making up conversations that never took place.
Castro is viewed as a dictator here. Only a very small percentage of the population has sympathy for him.
And blaming Europe for what happened in Cuba... :lol.
Unless your un-education makes you think that USSR was a part of Europe?
Maybe that view has changed in ten years but that was the commonly held view the last time I was there, or so it seemed to me. Quick question how is Che viewed currently? Russia is not part of both europe and asia?? hmmm where then is it situated. Was communism not the Idea of two Germans?? Think it through!!:rofl
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Originally posted by storch
...The funny thing is that your stupid ideas always flows outward from europe to contaminate and hurt the rest of us...
Wow we REALLY do scare you!!
Do you sleep with the light on?
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Well I got nothing to say... I quess you won.:)
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Originally posted by storch
Maybe that view has changed in ten years but that was the commonly held view the last time I was there, or so it seemed to me. Quick question how is Che viewed currently? Russia is not part of both europe and asia?? hmmm where then is it situated. Was communism not the Idea of two Germans?? Think it through!!:rofl
Nice troll Storch, you manage to hook more people everyday within the same thread. :aok
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Originally posted by deSelys
Wow we REALLY do scare you!!
Do you sleep with the light on?
You don't scare me, not at all!! while you guys are good at coming up with zany social ideas you mostly do nothing but cheat and hurt each other. when you get in over your heads you cry like the girlymen that you are and we have to win your wars for you then take our money to rebuild you then put up with your tantrums until your rinse and repeat. we mostly ignore you and are amused by your whimsical nature!!
:rofl
europe, what a hoot!!
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Nice troll Storch, you manage to hook more people everyday within the same thread. :aok
Thankyou Nilsen I was just going to post my victory speech to VOR. You really shouldn't challenge me that way. I really am a traveller, none of those things I posted were BS.
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Originally posted by storch
Quick question how is Che viewed currently?
Yeah Che is still viewed as some kind of south-american Robin Hood. His death gave him his legend status before he could become another dictator or sleazy politician... And his legend is at least 1/2 fantasy...
Russia is not part of both europe and asia?? hmmm where then is it situated.
Are we talking about geography or politics?
Was communism not the Idea of two Germans?? Think it through!!:rofl
OMG PWN3D!!
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Of course, under that angle, Europe went to the moon first. Because Nasa relied heavily on Von Braun's works, and Von Braun was german...
In a nutshell, you have extreme racist ideas served by poor reasoning... Like I said before, you would have felt quite at ease in 1930 Germany...
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Originally posted by deSelys
Yeah Che is still viewed as some kind of south-american Robin Hood. His death gave him his legend status before he could become another dictator or sleazy politician... And his legend is at least 1/2 fantasy...
Are we talking about geography or politics?
OMG PWN3D!!
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Of course, under that angle, Europe went to the moon first. Because Nasa relied heavily on Von Braun's works, and Von Braun was german...
In a nutshell, you have extreme racist ideas served by poor reasoning... Like I said before, you would have felt quite at ease in 1930 Germany...
Once again *sigh* You needed American help to go to the moon. face it, you need America to breathe. You invented the atom (fermi, teller, einstein) bomb we had to use it to stop your stupid war You guys are unable to do anything good or noteworthy on your own. Sorry, don't be angry with me I'm just the messenger. The only good to thing to come out of europe were the people of the new world and Oceania.
again I implore you think it through!!
:rofl
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I got a laugh over this comment..
We came to Miami, Florida and converted it from a sleepy backwater into a thriving metropolis
If latin american political corruption is considered part of your coversion im not impressed.. Former mayor, the mayor before him.., Current mayor.. Elian.. viva etc... blah blah blah.. From Teacher Unions to Police Chiefs the amount of corruption in Dade is staggering.. The gripe and whine is blatant. And it makes the news at least once per week..
The Elian saga really took alot of the credibility out of the Cuban population in my opinion.. That was stupid, peoples political views over the welfare of a child and his natrual parent..On my tax dollar to boot...wtf... take that crap back to wherever your from.. Emotion doesn't make it right..
Hence all the people that developed dade and other big wigs (The Rich) have moved North to Broward.. or Palm Beach.. Less corrupt areas... browards changing too.. But people are wise to that corruption crap and have headed it off.. The latest example was that baffoon Election supervsior Oliphant who was recently ousted by Jeb...
A story on south florida..: It was not sleepy backwater.. (maybe 60years ago but then again everything was.) maybe the everglades they tore up to put houses but east of I95 Miami has always been Miami. If you consider south beach and the Port of Miami / Downtown sleepy backwater then you need to take a trip to central florida to get your bearings straight....
To the Euro's insulted by this blatant attack, pay no heed to this foolishness.. Come to Ft. Lauderdale,(spend your money here not in Dade) far more european friendly. (We dont run you over like on Miami Beach, even if your french..)
And if you have to go to Miami its a 30 minute drive in non rush hour.. Ft. Lauderdale is the best of both worlds. You want hustle and bustle you got it.. You want a lazy day at the beach you got it.. Boating? Yachting capital of the world.... Venice of America, Need I say More..
BTW I like Europe... The culture, food, and people there have class.. More to say than the people of Miami... (Using storch as the example..)
DoctorYo
PS: I like Miami, Just only for short periods of time.. They should change Dade county to Wade County of the Miami Heat..
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Originally posted by storch
Naturally!! you guys have managed to start two global wars, kill hundreds of millions of people and spawn worldwide communism!! not to mention all the other negative "isms". The funny thing is that your stupid ideas always flows outward from europe to contaminate and hurt the rest of us. Those of us whose ancestors left you did it for a reason those of you whose ancestors remained will never get it. :D
I don't think you're being very even handed here, Storch. By your line of reasoning, Europe also invented your precious United States of America. I do hope you don't see this as one more 'stupid idea flowing outward from Europe to contaminate and hurt the rest of us' :)
Ravs
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OH MY COD, IT'S THE TROLL THREAD THAT WOULDN'T DIE!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
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originally posted by Storch
Cuba has been so badly destroyed by european ideas
Lol ridiculous, at least an historical nonsense :rolleyes:
originally posted by Storch
none of those things I posted were BS.
really??
Oh...Uhm.... mind if I disagree??:rolleyes::
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There:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/258_1086704406_fish.jpg)
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Stop biting and it will go away.
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Keep in mind that Storch isn't a real American- he came over here cause his own country sucks arse so all of a sudden he's an American???
As far as I'm concerned the Cuban immigrants have inflated the welfare rolls and they're violent criminals. We need to go beyond stopping immigration of these unsavory people- we need to reverse immigration and start deporting Cubans back to their own country.
Miami would be a great place to start.
Go home, Storch. Go back to Havana.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Nice troll Storch, you manage to hook more people everyday within the same thread. :aok
:lol That's what you get when you start reading a thread backwards... 10 points to Storch.
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Originally posted by mora
:lol That's what you get when you start reading a thread backwards... 10 points to Storch.
done that alot myself :D
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
I got a laugh over this comment..
If latin american political corruption is considered part of your coversion im not impressed.. Former mayor, the mayor before him.., Current mayor.. Elian.. viva etc... blah blah blah.. From Teacher Unions to Police Chiefs the amount of corruption in Dade is staggering.. The gripe and whine is blatant. And it makes the news at least once per week..
The Elian saga really took alot of the credibility out of the Cuban population in my opinion.. That was stupid, peoples political views over the welfare of a child and his natrual parent..On my tax dollar to boot...wtf... take that crap back to wherever your from.. Emotion doesn't make it right..
Hence all the people that developed dade and other big wigs (The Rich) have moved North to Broward.. or Palm Beach.. Less corrupt areas... browards changing too.. But people are wise to that corruption crap and have headed it off.. The latest example was that baffoon Election supervsior Oliphant who was recently ousted by Jeb...
A story on south florida..: It was not sleepy backwater.. (maybe 60years ago but then again everything was.) maybe the everglades they tore up to put houses but east of I95 Miami has always been Miami. If you consider south beach and the Port of Miami / Downtown sleepy backwater then you need to take a trip to central florida to get your bearings straight....
To the Euro's insulted by this blatant attack, pay no heed to this foolishness.. Come to Ft. Lauderdale,(spend your money here not in Dade) far more european friendly. (We dont run you over like on Miami Beach, even if your french..)
And if you have to go to Miami its a 30 minute drive in non rush hour.. Ft. Lauderdale is the best of both worlds. You want hustle and bustle you got it.. You want a lazy day at the beach you got it.. Boating? Yachting capital of the world.... Venice of America, Need I say More..
BTW I like Europe... The culture, food, and people there have class.. More to say than the people of Miami... (Using storch as the example..)
DoctorYo
PS: I like Miami, Just only for short periods of time.. They should change Dade county to Wade County of the Miami Heat..
Careful your prejudices are showing. When we came to Miami in 1960 we suffered this very same form of racism, no matter. We forged ahead. the sidewalks were rolled up at 2100 hrs daily and you could not order beer with your food in many restaurants. The only industry was the hospitality industry and then only in the winter months. We don't need your capital because through frugality and industry we created our own. We are a National force and are courted by both political parties. The Cuban vote is mighty important Locally, Statewide and Nationally. All of this was accomplished in a scant fourty years and it stands as at testament to the superiority of the American free enterprise system above all else. With regard to political corruption while it does exist I would call your attention to Henry Milander, if you look him up in the Guiness book of of World's Records you will find him there. The man that followed him, Dale Bennett absconded with $5,000,000.00. The current Mayor Mr. Raul Martinez (only four Mayors in Hialeah's history) cleaned up Hialeah wonderfully and has been relatively scandal free. IIRC the Ft. Lauderdale Mayor who on National Television made the statement that the only thing you needed to run for his job was to be free, white and twentyone? Is Pat Tornillo currently serving a long prison sentance Cuban American or is he of Italian descent? Hmmmm. Racist indeed!! We don't seem to own rights to political corruption do we. My suggestion to you would be to keep moving further North as we are colonizing Broward and Palm beach as well. Now we have allies in the form of our Central and South American cousins which are every bit as industrious and savvy businessmen as any I've ever dealt with. I will agree with you that Ft. Lauderdale certainly is every bit as nice and sophisticated as Miami but I wouldn't say moreso just different. Miami has much better restaurants IMHO.
Airhead, I'm not from Havana, I'm from Santiago de Cuba. And If I'm not a real American tell me who is? I decided to become an American. I enlisted to serve in her armed forces when it was unpopluar to do so, and if the need arose my life would be willingly forfeited in her defense. I've stepped up to the plate. And am ready to do so at any moment. Have you? Are you?
Nice try Ravs. as I stated our ancestors (in my case two generations back) left europe with reason so that point was conceded. I further stated that they were the best thing to ever come from europe.
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Oh joy...a "My flag is better than your flag" contest.
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Nice try Ravs. as I stated our ancestors (in my case two generations back) left europe with reason so that point was conceded. I further stated that they were the best thing to ever come from europe.
If by 'our ancestors' you are referring the puritains (i.e. the ancestors of the Modern U.S. rather than your ancestors personally), then you do realising that you are talking about a minority of religious extremists who wanted no part of the inclusive, broad based doctrine of religious tolerance which was started by Elizabeth I, but instead wanted the rest of Britian to conform to their austere and fanatical religious viewpoint. Failing to achieve this, they left for the new world in the 1620s to start a 'beacon of puratainism' which would bring Britain back into the 'fold'. THAT was the reason why 'your ancestors' left Europe.
Frankly, most of Britain was glad to be rid of them.
Ravs
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yes to the puritans, yes to my personal ancestors, yes to others. the Irish, Scots Italians, Germans, Scandanavians, Poles, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Russians. In fact allow me to include everyone that emigrated to the United States for any reason and under any condition, they have all contributed to what makes America great (lots less inbreeding yakowwhatImean?) I just say no....to your revisionist history lesson. Elizabeth I a beacon of tolerance, indeed! I wonder what the Scots would say to that idea?
:rofl
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ok so basically you're a mongrel???? Am struggling with the point of all this but am willing to give it a try.
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Racial purity is something that's normally unimportant except to certain people.
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The interesting thing is that since I'm fluent in Spanish, Portugese and creole plus I can muddle my way through French and Italian and I'm not white you wouldn't readily pick me up as a conservative American.
http://www.geocities.com/jg54green/storch.html
Isn't that you , Storch?? (I followed your page link...)
Not white??
You seem as pinkish as a baby
:D
you fisherman;)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
ok so basically you're a mongrel???? Am struggling with the point of all this but am willing to give it a try.
Absolutely!! I am a mongrel, so are the healthiest anything on earth!! Are you the product of siblings mating??
:rofl
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Originally posted by stegor
http://www.geocities.com/jg54green/storch.html
Isn't that you , Storch?? (I followed your page link...)
Not white??
You seem as pinkish as a baby
:D
you fisherman;)
Yes that's me but you would have had to have seen my grandmother, she was Haitian of Acadian extraction though not very dark still of mixed African dissent. In the US I am not categorized as "white" but "Hispanic".
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Originally posted by storch
Absolutely!! I am a mongrel, so are the healthiest anything on earth!! Are you the product of siblings mating??
:rofl
not to my knowledge, I think you've mistaken the word mongrel for incest.....easy mistake to make.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
not to my knowledge, I think you've mistaken the word mongrel for incest.....easy mistake to make.
Not at all. I fail to see how my question had anything to do with yours other than they are both questions. I was just curious to know if you were the result of siblings mating irrespective of your initial question to me. But I can see how you could have reached that conclusion.
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So Storch, when are you going to go back to your roots and learn catalan? :D
No és tan difícil com sembla! T'ho ben juro
Si l'straffo pot dir "pa amb tomàquet", tu també pots :D
Daniel
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Id like to see the Evergaldes someday... If im lucky maybe ill find you there Storch. Plese dont eat me if should run into you :)
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hehe Storch im wondering what would you do in this situation.
Try to imagine, that your son want to visit Turkey and Iran. He decide to spent in iran about 1 month. he is 22 (younger that your daugter) and his departure date is 7 days after War in iraq started.
He does have own money and everything ready.....
Im wondering what would you do in sutch situation ? :D
reality were, that i got several warnings that they will chop me, cook me and eat me..... whole family were about to prepare funeral when i left :D
but it was most cool trip i had so far
:cool:
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Originally posted by CyranoAH
So Storch, when are you going to go back to your roots and learn catalan? :D
No és tan difícil com sembla! T'ho ben juro
Si l'straffo pot dir "pa amb tomàquet", tu també pots :D
Daniel
Mi abuela maternal hablaba Catalan y mi madre lo entendia pero ahi quedo infelizmente. Pero por lo que veo no debe de ser dificil, como tu dices. :)
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Originally posted by lada
hehe Storch im wondering what would you do in this situation.
Try to imagine, that your son want to visit Turkey and Iran. He decide to spent in iran about 1 month. he is 22 (younger that your daugter) and his departure date is 7 days after War in iraq started.
He does have own money and everything ready.....
Im wondering what would you do in sutch situation ? :D
reality were, that i got several warnings that they will chop me, cook me and eat me..... whole family were about to prepare funeral when i left :D
but it was most cool trip i had so far
:cool:
I would be worried sick and crying like a little girl :D
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Originally posted by storch
I would be worried sick and crying like a little girl :D
man ... you suck like my parents, there were doing the same :D
But when they saw pictures from my trip, they felt a bit a shame, they had no words... coz i were driving a car overthere and not a mullas :D
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Id like to see the Evergaldes someday... If im lucky maybe ill find you there Storch. Plese dont eat me if should run into you :)
Skinny Norweigians aren't on the menu here so you are safe!!:) Be sure and wear you stylish hat!!:)
The Everglades are fun for fishing Airboating and sightseeing. You may also hunt on Miccosuki land with a Miccosuki guide and the hunts are kind of gamey but fun none the less. Any time you want to come ask Doctor Yo to take you :rofl
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Who are you calling skinny?? :mad:
oh wait....i should take that as a compliment. Thx sweetie :)
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Originally posted by storch
I just say no....to your revisionist history lesson. Elizabeth I a beacon of tolerance, indeed! I wonder what the Scots would say to that idea?
:rofl
I said, religious tolerance.
As for the Scots, they were trying to depose her. What other choice did she have?
Ravs
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Storch when you say this :
You don't scare me, not at all!! while you guys are good at coming up with zany social ideas you mostly do nothing but cheat and hurt each other. when you get in over your heads you cry like the girlymen that you are and we have to win your wars for you then take our money to rebuild you then put up with your tantrums until your rinse and repeat. we mostly ignore you and are amused by your whimsical nature!!
"Note the You guys.." Who the hell is you guys.. the Europeans would be my best guess..
How can you claim my Bias / prejudice when you put out stereotypical comments vs the Europeans.. Irony , Hypocrisy, Dumbarse Radical are words that come to mind when thinking of you..
And your comments on how you rised up: Pathetic.. All newcommers rise up no matter what country they are in.. (ask the europeans about the turkish/muslim communities around Europe) America Started with the Dutch, then Germans, Irish, Italians, Africans etc.. (not counting native peoples) In no particular order.. I dont care if you blue green and have a tail.. You either a swell person or your not.. The Exile community is not always swell and your posts are written evidence of that. You blatantly attack Europeans.. Then holy irony batman claim sterotypical treatment vs cuban community.
Ill repeat it for you, the Exile community has less respect and political power after the Elian foolishness which was participated on my tax dollar.. Plain and simple.. If thats prejuduce then im guilty thru deductive reasoning..
you make comments like:
Now we have allies in the form of our Central and South American cousins
then you say..
Airhead, I'm not from Havana, I'm from Santiago de Cuba. And If I'm not a real American tell me who is?
These allies you claim: most of the south/central americans ive spoken with feel the same way I do.. People like you are radicals. (note the choice of words, "like you" before you try to claim racism and prejudice) Plain and simple.
Your remarks about Browards corruption, your correct; all cities have corruption, just some more than others.. Miami is corrupt, more so than any other florida city.. Like a right triangle having 90 degrees this is a given.. (please rebuttal this one..)
You claim my prejudice but its really true Miami is a corrupt enviroment, and alot of that frequency of corruption is due to bringing latin american politics to the USA. This isn't a attack its the truth.. Not a pleasant truth but its accurate.. Do your history you'll see im right.. go take a look at all the wrangling going on in chavez's regime, or columbia, mexico, honduras, panama, etc... Your telling me corruption isn't rampant your in illusion to the situation.. Those same activities and tactics are now being employed in Dade county. You got be blind not to see it by the frequency alone. So if thats prejudice, im guilty what im also saying is that BS doesn't fly in Broward.. Oliphant is recent proof and her skin color had nothing to do with it.. More like 3 ****ed up elections and a 50,000 phone bill and her family and friends on the payroll when their competence level was in question then proven by the failure of her office no less than 3 times... No accountability = No Oliphant...
Your going to be in for a rude awakening storch, Time is not on the exiles side.. you ask? Really simple called second and third generation americans. You will dillute and lose power over time.. not gain it.. Just ask any ethnic group in america, they don't call us the melting pot for nothing. Again history book my claim.. Maybe thru your leadership you can buck the trend..
;)
DoctorYO
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Originally posted by DoctorYO
Storch when you say this :
"Note the You guys.." Who the hell is you guys.. the Europeans would be my best guess..
How can you claim my Bias / prejudice when you put out stereotypical comments vs the Europeans.. Irony , Hypocrisy, Dumbarse Radical are words that come to mind when thinking of you..
And your comments on how you rised up: Pathetic.. All newcommers rise up no matter what country they are in.. (ask the europeans about the turkish/muslim communities around Europe) America Started with the Dutch, then Germans, Irish, Italians, Africans etc.. (not counting native peoples) In no particular order.. I dont care if you blue green and have a tail.. You either a swell person or your not.. The Exile community is not always swell and your posts are written evidence of that. You blatantly attack Europeans.. Then holy irony batman claim sterotypical treatment vs cuban community.
Ill repeat it for you, the Exile community has less respect and political power after the Elian foolishness which was participated on my tax dollar.. Plain and simple.. If thats prejuduce then im guilty thru deductive reasoning..
you make comments like:
then you say..
These allies you claim: most of the south/central americans ive spoken with feel the same way I do.. People like you are radicals. (note the choice of words, "like you" before you try to claim racism and prejudice) Plain and simple.
Your remarks about Browards corruption, your correct; all cities have corruption, just some more than others.. Miami is corrupt, more so than any other florida city.. Like a right triangle having 90 degrees this is a given.. (please rebuttal this one..)
You claim my prejudice but its really true Miami is a corrupt enviroment, and alot of that frequency of corruption is due to bringing latin american politics to the USA. This isn't a attack its the truth.. Not a pleasant truth but its accurate.. Do your history you'll see im right.. go take a look at all the wrangling going on in chavez's regime, or columbia, mexico, honduras, panama, etc... Your telling me corruption isn't rampant your in illusion to the situation.. Those same activities and tactics are now being employed in Dade county. You got be blind not to see it by the frequency alone. So if thats prejudice, im guilty what im also saying is that BS doesn't fly in Broward.. Oliphant is recent proof and her skin color had nothing to do with it.. More like 3 ****ed up elections and a 50,000 phone bill and her family and friends on the payroll when their competence level was in question then proven by the failure of her office no less than 3 times... No accountability = No Oliphant...
Your going to be in for a rude awakening storch, Time is not on the exiles side.. you ask? Really simple called second and third generation americans. You will dillute and lose power over time.. not gain it.. Just ask any ethnic group in america, they don't call us the melting pot for nothing. Again history book my claim.. Maybe thru your leadership you can buck the trend..
;)
DoctorYO
OMG I'm sorry I put a quarter into your slot. where is the change return key. :rofl
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Careful Storch....the line between intensive trolling and expuuurimmentin' is thin...
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Originally posted by deSelys
Careful Storch....the line between intensive trolling and expuuurimmentin' is thin...
apparently so. duly noted.
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I find the troll a good one, but the trick is to know when to quit. :)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I find the troll a good one, but the trick is to know when to quit. :)
aahh . so since we know you know it, i guess we are all wondering that you never did it :D
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Originally posted by lada
aahh . so since we know you know it, i guess we are all wondering that you never did it :D
lol professor :D
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The Cubans who came here in the late 50s-early 60s were the priveledged ruling class who fled before Fidel Castro and his popular Communist revolution.
These Cubans were more repressive than Castro ever has been in their treatment of the common Cuban peasants. Now they're delusional in the belief they will some day retake that island and, once again, oppress the peasant class.
We need to deport these Neocon Cubans before they do more than simply rigging the last Presidential election in Florida. They are dangerous and they are un-American. We need to reserve Guantamano Bay for Cubans, not Iraqis.
BTW Storch, I noticed in your bio you like to skindive for fish. That's one of my hobbies too, and someday I'd love to dive in water where a wetsuit isn't necessary- perhaps if I ever make it to Florida you and I can argue politics and then take our Hawaiian Slings into the ocean to shoot some fish? :)
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are you trying to troll my troll!!!! I ain't biting. I have a Mako 192 that we use exclusively for skindiving. Did I write in my Bio that I used a sling?? Anytime you head to Fl. let me know I usually go out during the week because boating on the weekend is like being in a madhouse here.
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Our visibility in Northern California is maybe ten feet on the best of days, usually it's about 5-6 feet or less most days so a sling is more than adequate.
That Mako 192 you use is one hell of a speargun, though- I've been watching you take fish all the way from the other side of the Atlantic for the past two days. What's the range on that thing- 5 thousand miles? ;)
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Originally posted by Airhead
Our visibility in Northern California is maybe ten feet on the best of days, usually it's about 5-6 feet or less most days so a sling is more than adequate.
That Mako 192 you use is one hell of a speargun, though- I've been watching you take fish all the way from the other side of the Atlantic for the past two days. What's the range on that thing- 5 thousand miles? ;)
er, Mako 192 is a boat but thanks for the compliment?!?
:aok :rofl :aok
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LOL, I wonder why nobody pwns him on the fact that this troll collaborated with a ruthless dictatorship :rofl :aok
That must be a troll, I mean, who can be idiot enough to be proud to have worked with a dictatorship?:lol
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We had never problems with chicks from oversea, we allways
have fun for 1-2 weeks until it gets real boring but then
its bye bye anyway, ...next one is allready underway!
;)
R
Gh0stFT
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no pictures of your Daughter..........this thread means nothing to me. :D
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I must say Storch I like your style. You can stir it up bigstyle.
However travel to the Caribbean and South America were very appealing to me because of how nice the people where as opposed to the euros which excluding Southern France, Spain and Italy struck me as actually quite rude. The Parisiens worst of all.
Everyone knows Parisiens are rude. Even Parisiens. LOL The rest is a bit of a generalisation.
if you guys in the North of Europe were a little less formal
I have to say, being Irish that we could never be accused of being too formal or rude to visitors for that matter I think we tend to have more in common with the Italians and Spanish at times. But then like the British we often tend to think of Europe as being somewhere south of us rather than us being part of it
BTW I agree with you re Queen Elizabeth 1. I wasn't just the Scots she practised her 'tolerance' on. We Irish have plenty of examples of her 'religious tolerance'. Revisionism indeed!
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Dr Yo is a very bright guy - where's he been hiding?
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Originally posted by cpxxx
BTW I agree with you re Queen Elizabeth 1. I wasn't just the Scots she practised her 'tolerance' on. We Irish have plenty of examples of her 'religious tolerance'. Revisionism indeed!
I'm sure the Irish preferred Queen Mary I, good Roman Catholic that she was ;)
Religious tolerance has to be read relative to the time.
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
I'm sure the Irish preferred Queen Mary I, good Roman Catholic that she was ;)
Religious tolerance has to be read relative to the time.
Ravs
Queen Mary couldn't have been that bad. They named two ships after her? ;)
But seriously Queen Mary was mad, nobody has any illusions about her. In truth we weren't over keen on English monarchs of any religious persuasion. They and their subjects peculiar version of religious 'tolerance' effects us to this present day.
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Well, yes, you were invaded and occupied and had loads of colonists shipped in and had your land taken from you.
But look on the bright side, in a way the English united you as a people. You were all busy fighting each other before the English arrived!
;)
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
Well, yes, you were invaded and occupied and had loads of colonists shipped in and had your land taken from you.
But look on the bright side, in a way the English united you as a people. You were all busy fighting each other before the English arrived!
;)
Ravs
*sniff* phewwwwwwww swims away. start your own troll you silly english troll you. dont bite cpxxx he's using a treble hook.
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Does she really is happy to be back to eat all those orrible and awuful smelling plastic-like things you usually eat in America?
Nhaa, cant believe it .... :rofl
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Excuse me... I'm looking for the Iraq thread. Is this it?
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No mate, this is Euro bashing.
You want to go out of here, turn right (very, very right), do a couple of U-turns and that ought to bring you to it.
:)
Ravs
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I thought it was American bashing?? Very easy to lose track and get lost in these things
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Originally posted by ravells
Well, yes, you were invaded and occupied and had loads of colonists shipped in and had your land taken from you.
But look on the bright side, in a way the English united you as a people. You were all busy fighting each other before the English arrived!
;)
Ravs
Sorry Storch I have to bite................ Ravells let's not muddy the waters by introducing facts. That didn't stop us fighting each at all:( We always managed have someone on both sides of the argument LOL.
Besides the English are still invading, every weekend that is. Stag and hen parties this time, almost as destructive. :lol I was in Temple Bar pub the other weekend and everyone there seemed to be English.
Anyway what have the Brits ever done for us?? (To use a well known phrase). Errr don't answer that Ravells!!!!!!!!!!!:D