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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: RUQWICK on January 06, 2000, 09:20:00 AM
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SALUTE,
HT said last night the game will be out of beta in two weeks or so and the free play will end.
First off I would like to say that AH is a great sim and has alot of thing to offer expecialy down the line. BUT AH is a work in progress and all of the features are not online yet. I said to HT that $29.99 for a project in the works seemed kinda high when all of the elements are not yet in the game. He simply said dont play untill they are working if you feel that its is too much money.
I dont have a problem with the 30 buck price tag for a 100% game.. But for a 50% completed game i do.
I would like to incorage HT to lower the start up pricing to reflect the stage of the progress of the game.
If the cost is going to be 30 bucks to play per month I will just have to wait untill its completed to pay that amount.\
REGARDS,
RUQWICK
XO THT
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Ruquick, using that logic, then we owe HT $15 a month (half price) for the past few months of playing a half completed game. The real question is not whether Aces High is a complete game or not, but rather do you get $30 worth of entertainment during the month from Aces High in its current state? I do (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eventually the people at Hitech have to turn their investment of time and money into profits or else there is no game for us to play at all. Considering how much fun I have playing Aces High as is and their near weekly updates showing tangible progress, I look forward to paying them for their efforts. They have more than earned my dollar.
Gordo
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I'm replying because before I flew Monday night this was where I was at in my thinking.
Sure there some things need tweaks. They always will to be honest.
Sure strat and more planes would help. But they're coming.
I had a blast on Monday. Imho this is the finest sim out. It has a great balance between simulating WWII aircraft flight and
WII aircombat. Since the sim is still being worked on that scale could tip either way.
And to top it all off I've never (that I can recall) had a bad connect to AH!
Is it still rough around the edges? Yes. But
only a little. I figured the time would be coming soon to cough up the dinero. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And to be honest I was on the fence, leaning towards NOT subscribing right away
due to the reasons mentioned in the first post.
But. Then I had fun. I had alot of fun the other night.
So to me it is worth the price that has been told to us. $30 US.
I will not have my two bagles, toasted with plain cream cheese in the am along with a large hazelnut coffeee - cream and suger please! - two or three times a week at $4.50
a pop.
This will fund my flying in AH *AND* I'll lose weight to boot! (Move over Jenny Craig! Out of my face Weight Watchers!)
I'll also probably cancel my brand AW account after the ciurrent running scenario because when I have time to fly I head here.
Not there. Here is more fun. Just being honest. Not sim bashing.
However do not forget the biggy. The HTC folks need to pay rents, equipment leases, put bread on thier tables and have a whoop bellybutton kick off party.
The product is ready enough.
-Westy
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"I will just have to wait untill its completed"
Judging from their WB production, I doubt that HTC will ever feel that AH is "complete". There's always something new to add, or something to refine. Jump in when you think you will get $30 per month of fun.
popeye
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I Realy dislike being misquoted.
First off I never said we would be out of beta in 2 weeks (I don't answere when questions online) we will anounce precisly when we will go for pay, but havn't yet. The only referance I made last night to 2 weeks was that once we go pay there will be a 2 week free time before you are charged. This will be our normal new user tryout for free period.
2nd I also said AH will never be complete in my mind. And that if you don't feel it's worth 29.95 don't play until you think it is.
AH will always be a living and breathing piece of software. There will be new features,new planes,new terrains, update's to the graphic engine as hardware changes for its entire life.
So the simple question is do you think it's worth your money for playing, this question will be there forever and is not somthing I can ever answere for you , it's your call.
HiTech
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I'll put another spin on it. I've been playing for about 6 weeks free now... the least I can do is cough up $30 for 1 month. I can decide month-to-month whether I can afford/enjoy another month. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
I've been in many betas, and it is always the same; when the end date nears, you begin to hear from people (not you, Ruqwick) who start bashing the project and talking about the "bigger-better thing" right around the corner. Never mind often it's the same guys you've seen on 24/7, always deeply involved in whatever battle going on, seemingly having the time of their lives.
I'm willing to try $30 a month. I'm hoping many more will too. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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a.k.a. Kieren
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>However do not forget the biggy. The HTC
>folks need to pay rents, equipment leases,
>put bread on thier tables and
Beer. Don't forget beer. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Wab
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Count me In!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I still have to figure out how to shoot someone down and get out alive!
Course that may take a couple of years.
Any one got a dog eared copey of Shaw for my bathroom? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif)
See ya on line.
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I have only played in a couple of sims, and this is by far the best I have seen. And I wish HT all the best, but when you add a years worth gaming, thats about $360. Now add into it exchange rates from other countries. I'm in Canada and it is currently about 50%. So now that will cost me $540 a year to play. Plus ISP fees($480/yr) and equipment. I can go out and buy a lot of games from the store which may or may not be as good as this sim. And you can always buy games that also have a game site (Diablo, RB2 3D, etc) I would much more prefer to pay a one time fee to purchase the software. Our pockets do have bottoms. And we also have to answer to the wives (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Also consider this fact. Each night you play, how much time do you actually spend sitting in a cockpit doing nothing but flying somewhere. Especially in a b17/c47.
I was on for 3 hours last night and only flew 2 missions.
This reply is by no means a flame towards HT, but simply and opinion.
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Sledriver
(The MAD BOMBER)
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I for one have had a blast and continue to have the most fun (and frustration ;-) of any Sim that I have played online. $30 is the price for last years software title that I would put on, play for 2 hours and put away on the shelf. I might flinch a moment when I click ok on the payment tab. But not near as much as I will grin when I finally get that perfect bounce on Hangtime or see my m8s clear the air of the nme and we fly to home base. I plan on sticking with this Sim, the possiblities laid out before us are to enticing to ignore and for sheer fun a bargin.
JimBear
=VMF111= Devil Dogs
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I can name several people who paid $360 a MONTH to play DOS AirWarrior -- and those were 1992 dollars.
"Huh...?? No, Olive. Not ME!!!"
popeye (burning old VISA bills)
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I haven't flown in prolly a month ( ? ), because of that stupid thing called real life, but when I flew I know I had fun worth 30$/month.
It doesn't even seem like I will have the time to fly in the near future, none the less I will open an account immediately there is a chance to do so. And that is regardless wether I have the time to fly or not. IMO the game is obviously worth 30$/month as it is.
//fats
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This is the best combat flight sim Ive played so far. WarBirds was too expensive for me, so I never really gave it much of a chance.
If I divided the number of hours I spend online with this sim by 30 (dollars), I would have to be blind not to see how much BANG for the BUCK Im getting. Im going to slap the 30 dollars down and chaulk it up to all the bars and theatres I dont patronize because Im sitting in my study having fun getting charbroiled by some of the best cyber pilots in the world.
Of course, that wont last forever. Im getting better. hehee
JagdNine (Musketeers Escadrille)
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My only real problem with forking out the bucks is that I must figure out the best way to break this news to the Big She, who can barely tolerate my addiction to the free version. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Wish me luck.
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Long Live HTC and AH!
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I've been waiting for almost 4 years for someone to take a good look at the price/performance aspect of online computer gaming. Up until AH appeared I had two distinct options. A great price for a mediocre product (AW) or a prohibitive price for a good product (WB). I chose to enjoy the mediocre product and haven't regreted a moment spent online over the years.
Finally I've got a third option a great product (IMHO) for a fair (FIXED (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)) price. Is it perfect...no...will it ever be...no...is it fun ...YES...is it always improving ...you bet...Will I sign up ASAP...you figure it out (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I chose to pay for the best products & dont regret 1 minute of it.
Exactly how many of you guys speend 100 bucks on a friday night drinking. I spent more than 100 on a Friday night out.
To fly my hobby i stayed at home 1 weekend out of the month. Gee, no i can fly anything i really want to.
WB is costly but a solution was found so i could play.If you love the hobby your into,you will find a way to pay.
I would have gladly started paying for AH when it 1st came out in beta. Ill have no problem paying the price for an ongoing work of art (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Anyone with a keen interest will pay $30.00 a month.And we like so see the guys interested in the program as a whole,not as a shoot em up type mentality.
Love to see AH go Pay very soon.
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There are many people here that have payed $2000 in one year to play Warbirds (I know I did). If I can get that same kind of excitement (with a little more strategy) for $30... you can bet I'm going to go for it.
The price is a bit high, but it offers a very good product on a solid multi-user platform. Flying with 200 people on-line is much different than flying with 32. The self-host games just have too many limitations.
In addition, the absence of corperate gaming companies is a plus. I like the feeling of flying with the people that make the decisions... rather than the people that ask if they can make a decision.
Hats off to HiTech and Pyro (and the rest of the gang). Not many realize the risk taken to achieve these goals... and even fewer apreciate it.
AKDejaVu
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Well Westy perty much said it for me.
Except for the bagels & coffee.
I'll drink one less can of Beamish
stout(1.60 a can) per nite (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
A dollar a day for any type hobby/
entertainment is hard to come by.
At least for me it has.
So all of you can count on this
"Clay Pigeon" to pop up when HiTech
yells Pull.
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I love the idea of a fixed and affordable price. I think that the $30.00 price tag will create a very large clientele that will keep HTC in business and allow enough $ to be spent on programing game improvements. The fixed rate will also create full arenas since more time online means a better $ per hour ratio (just put your B-17 in auto-climb and go fix diner (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ). I founded and co-owned a very successful business (I am now a poor teacher (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ) and I can attest that HTC's marketing plan appears to be very sound. Most of the members of my squad have been flying more in AH than they ever did in WB, partially because we are not constantly thinking about $ per hour. Ironically, most of us will be spending a little more in AH than we did in WB (our entire squad has already converted (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ). Good revenues and happy customers = smart business.
I am looking forward to paying my $30.00 per month, and my wife is actually OK with it. My only concern is if the two week free period is enough to turn a typical newbe into a AH junkie.
Long live HTC!
eskimo of the Buccaneers.
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Hey, I drive the tollways around Chicago everyday and it's either pay or go some other route.....same here in AH. I will pay for something I love......flying! I think this is the best flight model I have ever played. I have a license to fly and it's just too damn expensive to rent a plane anymore.......computer flying has given me a fix so I don't go crazy and find a bell tower with a rifle. Aces High is my drug.
Compared to Heroin it's pretty cheap....hehe.
Just kiddin' My hats off to HiTech Creations for giving us a great flightsim which I will take advantage of......woohoo!
They support their product and it's really low cost support. Take a bow you guys!!
Thorns_Musketeer
CO Musketeer Escadrille
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Personally (and im probally the only one here who thinks this, and will get flammed for it im sure) i think that AH should be totally free, and open source, with only HTC running 'legal' versions on thier servers. Any one else who recompiled some changes could run thier own server or whatnot, but 99.9 percent of the people dont have that sort of bandwidth to support any decent number of players. That way people could find bugs, fix them, make graphical changes, port it to other OS's, work in some other planes and models and physics and submit that to HTC, then they could say 'wow thats cool, well stick it in and run it' or 'never noticed that bug, thanks for fixing it, well update' Thats TRUE beta testing. And since its always 'a work in progress' the work would go alot faster and satisfy alot more people, and free up HTC members to go get real jobs and make thier money that way. (not saying programming isnt a real job, but small software firms are not meant to compete for market in my opinion, they are there to put out quality 'projects' that they and people elsewhere can enjoy, like MOD communities for quake or halflife or back in the day with doom) I know i personally would love to drop a few hundred bucks to them for support, and help out coding or doing models for free, just becuase i think the software is great, but i hate being told i have to pay for things more than once, hell i hate having to pay for it in the first place. Its software not a car or a house. People should not have to pay money to enjoy themselves. Its facist if you ask me. I believe this way for movies and concerts and walking on the beach and every thing else they try and make you pay for these days. I can understand if they had a 'pay arena' that all the hardcores could go into and get on some true simming with rpg elements, playing out the character of a ww2 pilot and such, they would be free of the 'lameness' but they should have free arenas as well, so people can experiance the software theyve devolped.
Agian thats all just my opinion, maybe im really really old school in my open source this and open source that...but i just remember the time of actual beta testing and shareware and free distrubtion...before the entire freaking internet and all the software companies went capitalist as all hell, trying to turn a buck as opposed to just entertaining people.
My 2cents, feel free to flame.
--Sidney Atkins
Fallen@smashedupsanity.com
BrainRot Software
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MAN WHAT A CAN A WORMS!!
First off if I misquoted HT I appoligize, but that was what I understood during the Q/A Wed. night.
Second, I have been flying online for over 5 years from AW Classic, AW2 and AW3. Air Warrior 3 is a old idea with a new package and hasnt changed much (game play wise) in its run. The last year the squadron of guys that I have had the privilage to fly with for the past 5 years we have been looking for a sim such as Aces High.
AH is by far the best thing we have seen available and we all think its great.
My intension was not to complane about the 30 dollars price tag of the game when it was in full land , sea and air operation. I just thought that it was high for what we have now and what it will be version 1.0 (V 1.0 being 10 aircraft to my understanding)
Now this is just my opinion and thats all it is.
Yes im sure I will sign up, when im not sure.
I just want to re-iderate that AH is a super sim and the crew at H.T. have done a GREAT JOB!!!
RU
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I'm willing to pay too, after all HTC needs some pizza's & beer's to develope this great game.
If free beta period stretches too long, there's this danger to HTC running out of beer and that means the end of this promising sim.
So I say I'm willing to pay 30$'s for 109F-4 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Btw, always when HT is online, there's millions of questions in radio. Why not just let HT fly his P-51 and not bombing him with our needless questions, this is the place for them, and so far, HTC is replying all questions here, so....?
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Fallen your a crack monkey. AH isn't open source material like Linux. Can you imagine every goofball being able to tinker with the plane abilities and FM on their server?
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If your in range, so is the enemy.
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Well since someone else started it.. I have to mention three things:
1) I don't play enough to qualify for $30 a month. I play maybe once/twice in a month (even with it free as it is now) for a couple hours at a time.
2) I am VEEERY worried that there will only be 20-30 people on MAX when it goes pay. Right now it's free and the most I've seen is 100 (and most of the time it's at 50 people or so). Heck WB before it went pay was at like 200 people all the time.
3) I said it before.. I'm saying it again. I'm bored to tears with the parachute stuff. The strategy elements are nice but we really need "more" guys. I spend 15 mins flying to my destination yawning all the way, 3-5 mins of excitement then up again. I always feel like wow I killed that guy.. but whats the point? My country isn't doing any better cause of it he'll just re-roll in 5 secs. Even if my country did benefit the 3 country system would just confuse any real strategy anyways (can we say 2 countries please). Furthermore its not like I a raise in rank (don't get better aircraft, no sense of glory+accomplishment), all I get is a kill on my scoreboard.. sigh
I do love the game guys don't get me wrong. The graphics are nice, the planes are nice and the people I fly with are cool. But I just feel like I need more (hehe greedy aren't I ;0)
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It cost what it cost. You pay our you dont. I dont think we get to vote on it.
Besides I have to pay $35. They said the extra $5 was a whining tax. That just dont seem right somehow.
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I'll pay 30.00 a month and not quibble as long as TT quits shooting me down....
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
'course I'd probably pay more if everyone else quit shooting me down too.....
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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GreyBeard
Flight Commander, Aces High
Skeleton Crew
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Sorrows: Yes i can imagine every one tinkering with the FM's for thier personally run servers. Maybe then all the people whining "oh this plane is wrong..and this plane is uber...and this planes needes this" Will shut up and do it themselves. Theyll stop bugging the designers and most of the sim players and learn something. And if by some off chance some 70 year old spit pilot happens across thier server (wouldnt gamespy support for AH servers just rock? possibly with different maps/settings/planes for each server, so every one can get what they want from the game, instead of having to conform to some set standard that no one can agree upon in the first place?) and go "woah some one modeled a spit right!" And they could easily tell HTC that the one on the pay server is wrong, and thiers is right, with some actual proof. I understand that theres a possiblity of cheating, but who in thier right mind would reverse engineer open source software to exploit it...and then PAY for some arena when theres 100s of free servers around :P So the pay arena could be for the hardcores like i said, gauranteed to be monitored and upgraded and lame free...while the rest of us can tinker with it and play without paying some ungodly fee to get shot down by people who know what theyre doing. I mean my T1 access costs less than 30 dollars a month (of course im close friends with woman than runs my isp but still.) I cant just throw around money every month, but its not fair that I (or people in my situation) get left out. Its facist! (i love that word today for some reason)
As for the crack monkey remark, I have never, and will never, have anything to do with crack. Absinthe on the other hand.....mmmm.
--Sidney
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that would be kewl... a price reduction for people shooting Greybeard down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Naww.. i say scrap the Ien Account, scrap the gamestorm account and long live AH (well maybe i'll keep them all together and just move under a comfty bridge or something...)
Cyas UP there
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I'm late for the thread, but better late than never.
Well, in less than one month I should be a father to a baby boy, so I don't expect to be online very much for at least three months. However, I most definitely plan on subscribing to AH as soon as the final release is up. This is a great game, and HTC are the best out there, IMHO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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leonid, aka grisha
129 IAP VVS RKKA
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Congrats Leonid (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I'll have to remember to shoot you down before you go (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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C.O. Phoenix Squadron
www.users.bigpond.com/afinlayson/index.htm
'feel the heat .......'
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Fallen-
I was following your thread- not agreeing, but respectful of your opinion until this remark:
People should not have to pay money to enjoy themselves. Its facist if you ask me.
Whoa! The one thing you really don't fully flesh out is how HTC can make enough money to recoup development costs AND make a profit. And the facist remark? Careful....
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<rolls eyes> I gotta. I just gotta. Damn lead paint babaies....
Quote: "i hate being told i have to pay for things more than once, hell i hate having to pay for it in the first place. Its software not a car or a house. People should not have to pay money to enjoy themselves." End quote.
Hey bright eyes. People pay for cable tv. People pay to go to see a play at the theatre. They pay for music videos and CD's. They pay for sex (not ME!) They'll pay to watch a movie in a theatre.
People will pay to see a band at a concert.
They pay for telephone service. They pay the neighborhood geek to mow thier lawn on every other Saturday. People will pay to visit Six Flags. People pay to have an ISP. People pay for cell phone service so they can order thier cafe'lette ahead of time and order out chinese food. People pay to watch WWF, and chomp on SlimJim beaf jerky while doing it, on pay per view.....
So I ask you Fallen, WHAT THE HELL FREEK'N PLANET ARE YOU FREEK'N FROM ????
AND DON'T SAY "AOL" !
Curly
P.S. Congrats Leonid!! BTW, thought of a Name yet? Curly works well no matter boy or girl (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Curly (edited 01-07-2000).]
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Fallen
Have you "Fallen" on your head?
I am sure you gave HTC a good laugh at the coffee room this morning.
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Im realy curious on the basis of fallens ideals and how he formed them. Fallen , not a flame but how old are you ? And just to fire an opening shot for discusion what % of the cost of a car do you think is for software (and im using the term software very loosly).
HiTech
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fallen-"and free up HTC members to go get real jobs."
What is the definition of a real job? One where you're miserable working in a cube for some corporate overlord getting no recognition, while you secretly plot to get promoted for work that you do half-assed because you hate your job? We are following our dreams and doing what we love. What's the matter? Jealous? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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John "SUPERFLY" Guytan - Art Director
HiTech Creations
"Ain't I clean bad machine/ Supercool, supermean/ Feelin good for the man/ Superfly-here I stand" - Curtis Mayfield
-=HELLFIRE=- SQUAD
[This message has been edited by SUPERFLY (edited 01-07-2000).]
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I am Superfly !!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
If you ever need someone with a background in Engineering, can code a little, knows unix admin, and a good all arounder in computing, give me a call...
Not to mention my VAST knowledge of aircraft (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) heheheh
cause I AM jealous !! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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Vermillion
WB's: (verm--), **MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires ;) "
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"People should not have to pay money to enjoy themselves. Its facist if you ask me. I believe this way for movies and concerts and walking on the beach and every thing else they try and make you pay for these days."
What about these people who spend their time and MONEY to make these movies, and put on these concerts (or create these games)...... Do you think they are doing this for their health? No! They do it to make money... Why? Because they have to eat, pay bills, and do everything else that you and I have to do. The thing is, they are good at entertaining you, so that's what they do for a living.
So I don't know about you, but tonight, I plan on spending money on a beer (or 12) because someone brewed it, bottled it, and shippped it to me. I'm gonna spend money on a movie, because someone wrote it, someone acted in it, someone produced it, and someone shipped it to me, and I'm gonna sit back and enjoy my beer and movie and my money well spent. Hell, I probably even play AH tonight, a sim that has brought me closer to people from all over the world.
And if that's facist....... then I'm guilty as charged. That's just how I see things.
OH, AND CONGRATS LEONID!!!!!!!
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Nathan "NATEDOG" Mathieu
Art Director
HiTech Creations
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[This message has been edited by NATEDOG (edited 01-07-2000).]
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Okay.
30 bucks a month.
Everytime you shoot down HT, you get a dollar knocked off your bill...
-grin-
-Wolverine [wlvrn] www.wlvrn.com (http://www.wlvrn.com)
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Fallen (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/confused.gif):
I don't know what to say, Fallen. You got the right ingredients, but the mixture is all off. You may want to reassess your percentages.
Jekyll:
Thank you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
As for shooting me down, I think you shot me down enough for a decade's worth on that day I defended F17 from you and Gigantor. In fact, now I'm gonna shoot you down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Curly:
Thank you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
His name will be Benjamin. 'Benjie' for short, but only when my wife's not around (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
NATEDOG:
Thank you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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leonid, aka grisha
129 IAP VVS RKKA
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Sledriver,
my suggestion is either: a)elect politicians who will lower the cost of your internet access, or b) move to the U.S. It's not HiTech's fault that your gaming costs so much.
Fallen,
thanks for your comments. I can now refer people to your post as an example of what someone who's lived with Mommy and Daddy too long thinks about the cost of living. LOL, as Daffy Duck said "what a moroooooooon"
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These threads about cost are an excersise in pure roadkill. Its like talking about politics or religeon. One of the very few things the old man told is dont discuss politics or religeon when people are drinking.
I suspect some people here, based on their posts, are drunk.
Yeager
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Ouch. I didnt mean to get the entire HTC on me, i feel so belittled, ill open two windows and reply to each message as i read them.
Dolomite: The facist thing was sort of a joke, i believe theres alot of really stupid things that go on in capitalist societys but its unavoidable if we want the freedom we have, i just think some things should stay like 'the golden days' so to speak, such as software being primarly free except for mailing costs. Also like i said, id be more than willing to lay down one or two hundred dollars to them just becuase i enjoy myself and i want to see them continue to make games, but not on a pay-for-play basis, yes its the same thing but its the 'point' of it i guess. Some things i make a stand on, some things i dont.
Curly: No not AOL, i despise AOL and all of the idiot inbred americans it spawns onto the internet who know nothing about computers or even the world around them. Another classic case of 'the olden days' syndrome. Where you had to actually be worth your weight in gold in network ability and computer savve to get onto the net :P Not saying it should be as hard as it was, but not quite so easy as it is now.
And yes people pay for alot of things that we really shouldnt have to pay for in life, we pay for so many nesscacities(sp?) these days we hardly have money left over to pay for simple forms of entertainment. The worst crime in that is that alot of forms of entertainment actually teach you something (ive learned more about world war two flying and tactics than i ever thought existed, just trying to stay in the 'game' so i wouldnt get totally wasted)
Pongo: Im sure they didnt, maybe a chuckle or so but i think they found it alot more disturbing that some one thinks that way, and im sure they found it horribly immature.
Hitech: The basis of my ideas go back a ways, ill keep it short. Grew up in the late 70s, early 80s, got really deep into both computers and punk music at the same time. (bad combo) saw the software world begin and take shape. Then from my already capitalist hating eyes i saw the entire computer industry take a turn for what i consider the 'worse'. People stopped being (not you guys, you actually are putting out a very high quality product, and keeping in touch with the community following) artists and programmers and idealists...and started becomming buisinessmen (John Carmack any one?) For the record im 26. Oh and the price of a cars software is more than half of the production cost of the vechile. Metal and gears doesnt cost THAT much. Take a gander at Saturns new 'super computer' car with the road tracking and GPS link....70 percent of that cars price is software.
Superfly: Jealous? Of course. Would i do things differently than you guys? Of course. But your there and im not, thats why these things are opinions. I guess my personal (and ive been told immature) and offical stance is "If an artist isnt starving hes not a real artist." Making some cash doing what you love is a wonderful feeling, but it shouldnt be the main direction your heading in.
PS Curtis Mayfield is rock'n (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Natedog: About the people who spend 30 million dollars to create a stupid love story about bland characters who never even try and be different. The people who spend millions upon millions to create films that do nothing more than satisfy the huge ego of americans and make us feel better about ourselves. Those people can take all that money and...well i dont need to finish, its a family msg board...but those people are not artists, theyre buisinessmen, and they dont deserve the money, and dont need the production costs they use. I havent gone to a 'feature' film in over 8 years, been sticking to independant films and festivals and small film houses that really dare to break the mold and be entertaining and educational. And as for concerts....bands....Well there are two groups, the backstreet boys...and the sex pistols (not a huge fan but theyre well known) One 'requires' 500 thousand dollars to produce each album, the other needs 50 bucks for a recording sweet for 30 minutes, one group has the lyrical content of a bag of molded rotten apples, the other group has the content of just a bag of rotten apples heh but at least they make you think (shoulda used the dead kennedys as an example) one makes you pay a 40 dollar ticket...ive even heard 100 dollars for upfront (read: where they dont look like ants on stage) tickets....the other makes you buy them a beer after the show and sits down with you and the other 50 people who showed up to the club to see them. Who needs the mega bands and mega producers...all it does is dumb people down. And id be glad to buy you guys a round of beers (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Leonid: Yeah im not exactly mixed well myself.
Rawhide2000: I wont comment on the macho-rama meat head name, but ill just say i dont live with mommy and daddy. They did however raise me during carter and reaganomics (oh god didnt we all love those reaganomics!) when the cost of living was insanely high, and now were seeing the after effects. If thats different some where else, ill be happy to move there. If you have a job thats so great you can throw around money at every corner please send me the address so i can apply.
Yeager: Drunk is the key word.
And just to sum things up and say a few things. I play guitar in a pretty crappy (so far) industrial/punk band, and yes we play shows, and no i dont take money for doing it. I write software, pretty amatuer stuff so far, but ive worked on some top notch MODs for Doom, Quake, Halflife so my experiance in devolping software people will actually play is not in question, and no i never took a cent for the work i did. I also do photography for local magazines and portraits for my friends (since photography is what i took in school im pretty darned good) and , guess what? Never taken a cent for that either. I work in a music store, and do odd jobs for people in my nieghborhood, i fix people's computers and TVs and such. Nothing else i can really say.
Sorry for not capitalizing all my i's...and for the bad grammar and spelling and whatnot. Its been a while since ive been in an enviroment where people correct me on such things, so my skill at it has diminished.
--Sidney.
"Im tired of self respect, I cant afford a car, I want to be a prefab superstar, I wanna be a tool, dont need no soul, wanna make big money playing rock and roll."
Lovely Dead Kennedys Satire.
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Fallen:
Yah, this capitalism stuff is just the pits!
Fortunately, there are still a couple of "worker's paradise" countries around.
Have you applied for a Visa to North Korea? I'm sure they'd love to have you and all those talents you're just giving away here.
Power to the workers, bro!
I'll even chip in for your airfare....don't mention it!
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1)no number lists hate that (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Fallen, lost romantic, the world ain't that way and a new computer to write better games on cost major kesabes.
Leonid, Grats man having just added a baby
girl to the squadron (Natasha, 10/15/99)
her and her sis Nikita fly russian so watch out <G> but I can say the money impact of kids don't really hit 'til the 2nd grade
Finally to Toad,Vila,and other old Warbirds
alumni (yes you too HT ;> )
greets! been gone a while (car wreck)
but I'm Baaaaaaaaaack (and still as lousey as ever (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif) )
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Oh, damn, I missed that one (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I'm very happy for You Leonid !
Best regards to your growing family (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Don't let your La-5 get rusty out there !
And watch all those nappies in your rudders !
<S>!
Well, we all knew You can shoot very well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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TO: HiTech Creations.... THANK YOU for the value and fun I have received at no charge to date. I feel your online simulation is worth the money. I will be happy to be among your first paying customers at your suggested price of $29.95 per month whenever you decide. TO:All Aces High Pilots ....(It's really that simple guys.... some of these posts are almost comical .. you either will or you won't) No problem either way! Thats how free enterprise works! To:Yeager....Well spoken! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thunder
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So THATs what the quake thing is about.
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A few quotes:
"Speed is life"
"Speed Costs"
"I gots the need for speed"
"So hi-ho, hi-ho its off to work I go"
Mr.ED
Pony Pilot
Knight
Hey look at the bright side, unlike the guys that flew these machines 50 years ago....
You only pay money, not your life.
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Mr. Ed I have always like a differnent version of "Speed cost" First time i heard it was "Speed cost money son, how fast do you want to go?"
HiTech
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For me....an AW junky for 3+ years, the $30.00 is nothing more than packing a lunch or 5 a month, drinking cheap beer when friends are over.....<I like that one> or cancelling the extra premier channels on cable TV. The later being my first choice.
The more I play AH, the less TV I watch!
Westy and I chat in AW often, and I won't leave AW for AH, I will just merge them into my schedule. At 51 years of age, I can do that! I am prolly going to have to get a job soon too. If you like it and want it bad enough, there will be a way to play-even 2 or 3 times a month. I play AW3- 4 or 5 times a month. AH is a great sim with promise. I am in and I wish them the very best.
KKEN
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.squelch fallen
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I think Fallen's village socialist routine is just a way of pulling our chains? No one is that naieve? Well maybe Rose O'Donnel...
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Hey there fallen (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
was just thinking punk rock icons DK's(jello)to be precise.had a chance to see him at a spoken word in the summer.the $$$$"PRICE"to see this man speacking against capitalism et al,was $25.00(ADVANCE)and I believe(if it wasn't sold out)$30.00 at the door to the hall(convention center)so your saying he made none of that money???? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) SUUUUUURE (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
also in the begining the sexpistols recorded for say $50.00 then they became punk rock icons and started selling everything from records to movie rights about themselves,also there touring again,last I heard they charge around $15-35.00 a head at concerts.hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm me thinks we better look a little more carefully at that whole concept of yours .
ps,your an anarchist aren't you?vegan as well?
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I think the cost is a little high. Consider this. Fighter Ace II is only $9.95/mo. Fixed cost and unlimited play! There is a historical fight this Sunday that already has over 650 pilots registered to fly. I think you could attract gobs more people if you reduced the price.
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Originally posted by slugged:
I think the cost is a little high. Consider this. Fighter Ace II is only $9.95/mo. Fixed cost and unlimited play! There is a historical fight this Sunday that already has over 650 pilots registered to fly. I think you could attract gobs more people if you reduced the price.
Air Warrior Classic, AW3 and gobs of games are available at gamestorm.com.
It costs $9.95 a month too. When I started AW Classic, it was $2.00 an hour. Others paid even more. Air Warrior and Gamestorm reduced their original price from $49.95-I think....or $39.95. Most nights there are over 800 folks flying AW3. 650 is a fair night there. Give this SIM a chance to grow and become a competitor. Air Warrior is over 10 years old. AH is less than 4 months old.
I have never played Warbirds on-line....but then I never felt that sim was worth the effort or expense. Also the people and attitudes played a role in that decision. They are here too, but there seems to be more community spirit. Don't give up-yet. Enjoy it for what it is.......FUN!
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
KKEN
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gobs = goobs.
Just peek in the FA II nntp newsgroup to see what I mean. Just poke your head into RRE1
in AW3 to know what I mean.
No offense to those who do hold a higher standard in each sim but for the behavior of the vast majority in each of those two sims has me feeling no qualms at all about coughing up $29.95.
I would miss flying with folks like KKen very much.....
-Westy
prcie I'll gladly
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It amazes me to some extent, the length of this thread. $30 a month IMO is almost free.
I guy told me a once, "If you can't afford to buy Golf balls, then don't play Golf"
Mino
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Yeah Westy your probably right. I'm sure that it would be much better to have only a handfull of paying customers that aren't goobs. Of course then this game wouldn't succeed because you can't make money that way. We'll see how many hang on after it's pay-to-play. It's real easy to say "Oh $29.95 is practically free" when you aren't even having to pay yet.
Oh well time will tell.
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"I can name several people who paid $360 a MONTH to play DOS AirWarrior -- and those were 1992 dollars."
I never paid more than $350/month...don't try to gloss your argument with inflated stats, Pops (newbie alert: this guy is well known for this kinda stuff...watchit...oh, and I know for a fact that he wears white sox with brown wingtips when he flys).
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Slugged. You're so uninformed and ignorant of the facts it's almost comical..
AW had a cost of once up to $10/hour and it thrived. Granted the cost came down but then so did the expenses. It now costs $10 "all you can bleat" and it's barely hanging in there. It's because AW is being left in the dust by all these other new sims that have features that have been asked for years ago. Complacency and the current GameStorm marketing to the lowest common denominator (relaxed realism) will be it's further downfall.
FAII is $10 per month and I'd be amazed if it hangs in there at all. On the Zone FA1.5 in the past had an average online count per day of 800. It's now 400. The FA II sims programming is subpar and pathetic. It doesn't cut the mustard. And neither do the clientelle for the most part as can be seen by popping in any of the 'rooms' or checking thier newsgroup and listening to all the gEnErAl dUdZ yacking thier maws off...
I will cough up 30/moe because this sim is the balls. It is GOOD. REAL GOOD> It is far better than what is currently out there.
And to compare FAII with this sim is like comparing a 5 yr olds Tonka to a real auto.
Yeah kid. You got the best! <snork>
I'll also eagerly pay the 30/mo to see the 'idjits' filtered out. On the other hand there will be normal and enthusiastic folks who would pay it if they could but won't be able to - sad to say.
Elitist?
Nope.
I'm sick of the dreck that has come bobbing to the surface via way of the anonymity of the Internet. Clueless spouting morons that will pay more for BigMAC lunches per week but piss & moan about having to pay for decent entertainment. Believing everything should be laid at thier feet for free.
-Westy
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Him Westy lets see,
Search Fighter Stats:
Beta Tuor 1: 57 kills (both fighters and bombers) 185 sorties, 165 deaths.
Wow you almost got killed everytime you took off and with a death to kill ratio of better than 3 to 1.
Beta Tuor 2: 29 kills (both fighters and bombers) 75 sorties, 58 deaths.
Ah doing better now I see. Only a death to kill ratio of 2 to 1. Still getting killed better than 2/3 the times your wheels leave the ground.
Beta Tuor 3: 4 kills, 6 sorties, 5 deaths.
Probably just a fringe fighter now. Reduced to waiting outside any big furballs waiting for some poor bastard with 70% damage to come limping out so you can pounce on him. Use the force Luke!
If your one of Aces High's Elite I would shut the F*CK UP!
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Slugged. You just proved my point for me.
--Westy
(ya gotta be this high Slugged <holds hand three feet off the ground> to go on the ride.
You remember that ..|... )
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What was your point Westy? That you suck? Oh ok we all got that.
Look needle d*ck. AW and WB were both very successful games. To call Aces High successful is a little premature. Especially considering they haven't made a dime off of it yet. But you are too much of an idiot to figure that out. Apparently the rest of the software industry doesn't have a problem with selling a game at the retail level and then letting you play for free. It's only a small handful that see it the other way around.
Do you think EA or Activision could get away with that? Not hardly.
No I don't have a problem paying for a game. I do have a problem with paying for the privilege of playing it.
We all see how easily you cast stones down on the lowly "Goobs" from your lofty status. Tell us all Westy how did you attain such spiritual enlightenment? How are you at one with the machine? How do you smite down all the "Goobs" with such a deft hand? (See previous post for smiting ability)
Oh tell us Obi-Wan your our only hope.
Puh-lease.
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I wiped the chin drool off that message and what it boils down to is mommy and daddy won't let Sluggo use thier credit card right?
I went and checked scores on one Slugged. It took a bit because I don't normally check scores as they are quite pointless. Especially so in a beta test phase.
Well. Not one flight in AH. Not a point. Nada. Zip zilch. Yet he's here spouting.
We need a freek'n guppy filter in here I swear. But thanks once AGAIN for proving my point and even more so than the last post.
It's like you keep punching yourself in the eye trying to get at me.
--Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 01-13-2000).]
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Westy,
It's obvious that your pretty thick. Did you ever think that I might not fly as slugged? Probably not you dolt. Anyway the score does exactly what it says it does. It keeps track of idiots such as yourself that can't fly and can't fight, but feel compeled to let the advice/BS flow. So you just keep spoutin off and remember that your death to kill ratio is still better than 2 to 1. So when ever anyone sees good ole Westy flying high out on the fringe they will know that there is a 2 to 1 chance that they will fly away unharmed while Westy goes flaming into the ground.
Har Har Har!
signing off
slugged
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Ummm.... Slugged
Just who DO you fly as? And why don't you share with the rest of us how good your scores are?
You seem to be claiming that your quite the pilot, or at least implying it. So just fill us in.
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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
Dicta Verm: "Never give the suckers an even break!" or translated "Never engage without an advantage"
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slugged, Westy doesn't need any one to stick up for him, butt let me say this. If you were familiar with westy at all you would know that he knows what he's talking about. I've listened to him for years now, even got to meet him at last years AW con, he prolly don't remember me, butt he is quite knowlegdeable (s) and doesn't go around talking about what he doesn't know.
And what does Score have to do with it? ya go ahead and look up mine and let me know how bad i am too, i have no idea as score means nothing to me. (safe answer for some one with my skills (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ). i guess what i'm saying is lighten up abit and stick to what ya know. Thank you
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KJB
aka kjb ;)
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<S> Vermillion and KJB. Thanks for the nice words.
I do remember meetin you KJB (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But to be honest I can't remember nary a face of all those folks from that weekend today.
What really stuck in my noggin was I used to use my initials KJW for my handle. It struck me as funny at the time that if I'd still had my old handle we might have been mistaken for some kind of squad "KJ" squad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
See you guys up!
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 01-14-2000).]
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Slugged...you are an Idiot. I certainly qualify as total DWEEB according to the "numbers"...and realistically I'm buried somewhere in the middle of the pack with regard to ability...but I love to wade in and mix it up...I fly all planes against all odds and have a blast doing it. Do i make a lot of dumb decisions ..YUP.. Do i learn from em ..er,well,maybe (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)..Lots of "scores" matter in life...this isnt one of them.
Humble
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....and I qualify as one of the top 30 aces according to score and stats yet there are plenty of pilots with lesser scores who would wax my bellybutton in a regular 1 v 1 Co-E matchup. Dunno what your point was here guys (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Slugged, EA and Activision do not offer any games with the same kind of persistent 24/7 massively multiparallel online simulation that HTC does. What most proponents of the "free-play" right fail to understand is that it takes alot of money to support the hardware and network infrastructure required for just such a game. Because of these costs, HTC has to charge a usage fee for the game.
Now, to refute another point of yours, the software in itself is free, just like Warbirds is. Like Warbirds, you will even be able to fly against a friend using the Head to Head capability of the software. This too is free. What is not free, however, is the arena containing many pilots ready and willing to wax your ass.
HTC is offering a service. You must pay for that service if you desire it. Its the capitalist way. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Ding
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...and I'll add that I have been in the top 15 before my decision to stop looking at scores and just use this beta to experiment with all the flight models and aspects of gameplay. Anyone who thinks that scores make one opinion better than another just doesn't understand what scores represent; how well you played the game according to the designer's concept. This doesn't make you a good pilot or bad, it doesn't mean you are smarter than anyone else, and it certainly doesn't invalidate anyone's opinion on the price structure of this game.
All you do with this tact is turn this argument into a big di*k contest, and that doesn't prove any point!
Every so often, we all get into altercations. Invariably someone will pop the challenge "oh yeah?! Meet me in X arena at 9:00 PM EST and we'll see who's right!" My response? "Ok, and you may beat me 10 times in a row, but you'll still be a jerk!" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
This isn't to say that you are without points here, but putting someone's score on display in this manner doesn't show much class.
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$29.95? Is that all HT's asking a MONTH for this game? Hell yes I'll pay and gladly too! Especially considering I was shelling out an average, AVERAGE mind you of $300 a month for WB. And that was when WB was still in 1.xx versions.
Where do you jamokes think HT is getting the $$$$ to support his staff, the servers and everything else it takes to design a game...? Y'all think he's got some government grant to fund this passion we fly in?
Well, like the man said up front... "This here is America! You don't like the price, go eat somewhere else!"
Terne
"Live to fly, Fly to fight, Figth to live!"
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Slugged, your prose and manner are consistent
with that of a "flame troll" dweeb, I don't give a rats bellybutton about your score,my score or anyone else's SCORE. All I see is someone who gets off on pissing people off on the internet, which points out some ugly little insecurity of yours that needs to be looked after, If price is too big an issue for you, then the good news is we won't have to put up with your garbage after it goes pay, nicht wahr?
I'm satisfied.
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pzvg- "5 years and I still can't shoot"
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From my in-box- edited for content. Makes me wish we could stay free forever. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Have you lost your mind? $29 dollars a month to play online when a game as
simple as Red Baron blows your weak bellybutton game's online capability away? You
are the most arrogant greedy f***ing company I have ever witnessed.
I hope your b**ch bellybutton company falls flat on its ass. You are a prostitute
of the industry. I wouldn't pay one red cent for your piece of s**t game.
Nah, no thanks, and by the way, dont forget to stop by <sender's name deleted> premeir site, <porno url deleted>.com to releive some stress that you shurely will incur
as your sales drop off the f***ing map.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
"The side with the fanciest uniforms loses."
[This message has been edited by Pyro (edited 01-16-2000).]
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If your one of Aces High's Elite I would shut the F*CK UP!
More that anything else, a good reason NOT to post when you are angry.
Mino
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To my young friend fallen....You Sir are a Socialist....may I suggest that you read Toads post over and over until it sinks in.
$30.00 per month...you have got to be kidding...I cant wake up in the morning for $30.00 dollars!
For those who believe this is too much to pay...Cyas!
For those who believe this is a value...Cyas Up!
Enough said by me.....
Rude.............Out!
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Im well late on this reply, but heres my 2 cents (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I LOVE AH,it rocks. I will gladly pay $29.95 per month. I can always stop if i dont like it anymore - but i doubt i will.
The price of a product/service 'is right' if you're prepared to pay that amount for it. If not, thats your choice.
Also,
I don't see the point to attack fallen personally and call him "naieve" and to discredit his philosophy and ideals. This is not constructive in any means. He's fully entitled to his beliefs. So dont come down on him and say his way and thoughts are wrong - who are you to judge?
If he wants to pay, he can, if not, who cares?
Keep up the most excellent game HT!
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Overlord Spatula,
1st Airborne Kitchen Utensil Assult Group
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simple fix for HT to make "seriously" more money than 30$ / month and keep the whinners at any level (down to "gimme me 0$/month") happy as well. Give people historical planes for 30$ a month and then for every buck less substract 5 feet climbrate and 10 knots topspeed. And for every 50 $ / month per month more give the according egos let's say for max. 10 hours on-line time 10 knots more and 5 feet more.
to make it fair, the icon should include the amount paid per month.
and once you're @ it, why don't you stick credit car numbers of top payers into icons as well ;-))
my take: 30$ is not cheap but in the modern human history, talent needed to be forked some serious money over (well, after renaissance at least but anything done before was primarily dull painting of saints and bible scenes ;-) so I think I'll pay that or whatever will keep HT afloat and happy. Sneaking that by my wife is however a different story ;-)
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In the hopes of further illuminating the value you recieve from your Aces High bill, I have compiled a short list of what entertainment you can buy these days with $30 U.S. dollars. Also included is a judgement as to whether it or Aces High is the best value. So, without further ado, here is the list:
- 3/4's of a new boxed computer game. This isn't the landslide in AH's favor that you might think, as boredome with boxed games sets in well before 3/4's of the game has been played. Even so... Best Value: AH.
- Cable TV for a month. Hundreds of channels of jibberish compared to Aces High's single channel (radio channel 1) of gibberish. Best value: AH.
- Dinner and a movie for you and er, well, nobody else. Go to the movies alone and everyone will know that you are a geek. Best Value: AH.
- A couple of tickets to your local theme park. On roller coasters, the G's are real. So is the nausea. Best value: AH.
- A drink and a lap dance at your nearest :::coughs::: gentlemans club. Fur balls or blue balls? Do you really have to ask? Best Value: AH.
- A ticket to a pro-sports contest. Sporting events have become dangerous exhibitions of violence in modern society, leaving their players wounded and crippled after their playing years. Even fans are at risk, primarily of giving themselves an embolism straining to focus on the players a mile away from these $40 nose-bleed seats. Best Value: AH.
- Several good books. Sorry, Hitech... Best Value: Barnesandnoble.com
Gordo
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To all,
If you were following the entire dialog between Westy and myself then you should realize that he had it coming. Just look at his first response to my first post. I think I made a valid point. Hitech is not interested in having a few dedicated paying customers. If you think that they are then you really don't know that much about business. They are drooling at the prospect of having gobs (=goobs) of people shelling out $29.95/mo. If you don't think so just ask. But Westy seems to think that they just want a couple of ELITE pilots to fly their sim. WRONG! Again read my second post and Westy's response. I'm pretty sure the name calling started on Westy's end. I merely put him in his place. If Hitech has to rely on a handful of paying customers then you will see one of the shortest run times for a pay to play sim ever. It's not like I'm talking about higher math here.
On another topic. If Hitech would allow private individuals to host games then it would cost Hitech no bandwidth. This is the point I was hinting at in my comparison to Activision. Just look at all of the private servers hosting Quake type games. Does id have to pay for that? No. In all fairness to Hitech it is probably better from a business standpoint to have the game as pay to play as they stand to make much more money if it is successful. Flight sims as a rule don't sell as well as other genres.
If I offended anyone other than Westy then I apologize. In my opinion he came off as arrogant in his reply and I just thought he was due for some humbling by posting his scores.
slugged
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Slugged, you're an idiot.
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KJB
aka kjb ;)
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Ifn ya aint willing to ante up, dont get in the game.
$30 is not cheap, but no one is twisting my arm when it comes time to do the subscription thing. People that have a probem with the announced fee can always do H2H with friends or spend that same amount to play FA and AW and still have some cash left over to buy Cheese to go with their.....
JimBear
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Westy: have I seen you on the FA newsgroup?
slugged: have I seen you on the FA newsgroup?
I've been following most of the AH bbs' since day 2 of the public beta and I don't remember such a slam-fest anywhere here. Reminds me of the current state of the FA newsgroup (believe me, it's not a good thing). Fortunately I've been at FA long enough to know that the idiots of FA are the vast minority of the community and also the most vocal on the newsgroup. The majority of the FA community is not so bad.
You know, I did not intend to bring up FA so I will drop it.
I don't fly AH a ton, maybe only a few hours a week on average. And I am far from a great flyer. I like to have fun. And I've flown enough to know that I like this game enough to pay 29.95/month. What it is now and what the potential is as it evolves comes the closest to what I am looking for in online fun.
Fury
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I LOVE this game!! But I am only 15 and my parents already have to shell out $50 a month($600 a year) for ADSL access and I dont think they would want to pay another $30 a month just for a flight sim game that I will only be able to play on Fridays, weekends, and vacation time. Also the fact that I'm in high school and thats another $400 a month.
Sorry HiTech. Great game. Best wishes from me. I have a feeling that this game will gain in popularity and thus create a larger customer base in the coming months.
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Originally posted by YourDead:
I LOVE this game!! But I am only 15 and my parents already have to shell out $50 a month($600 a year) for ADSL access and I dont think they would want to pay another $30 a month just for a flight sim game that I will only be able to play on Fridays, weekends, and vacation time. Also the fact that I'm in high school and thats another $400 a month.
Sorry HiTech. Great game. Best wishes from me. I have a feeling that this game will gain in popularity and thus create a larger customer base in the coming months.
Oh to be young again! Get a regular ISP and it will more than pay for both! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
On the other hand, your local grocery store needs folks to bag groceries. Work a day or two a week....viola.....you can pay it yourself! If you want to play......make the effort to get it! We all have the same issues! Some of us have larger issues! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
KKEN
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Bring on the price im ready! <pulls 30$ out of ear> Been looking for that.
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I do work.