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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Replicant on June 08, 2004, 05:15:02 AM
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Greebo
Just managed to phone the Fleet Air Arm Museum reference the Corsair Mk.I – 1835 Sqn – Brunswick 1943/44. The guy I spoke to was incredibly helpful and knew all about the FAA colour schemes and managed to answer all the questions at no charge!! :) He seemed to have all the information at hand!
Okay, the ‘Temperate Sea Scheme’ is:
British Standard – BS381C
Extra Dark Sea Grey – ‘640’
(http://www.indfinspec.demon.co.uk/images/640_Extra_Dark_Sea_Grey.jpg)
Dark Slate Grey – ‘634’
(http://www.indfinspec.demon.co.uk/images/634_Slate.jpg)
I got the above images from: http://www.indfinspec.demon.co.uk/bs_381c_colour_chart.htm although the colours look a bit different at http://home.mchsi.com/~pshuntley/fscodes/UK.html
The lower surfaces of the aircraft was done in a ‘Sky Grey’.
He mentioned that the Dark Slate Grey would appear green like your first design but he stressed that it would only appear like that if it was ‘factory new’. If the plane was weathered then the Dark Slate Grey (Green) would fade dramatically (due to the Sun/sea salt etc.) creating a slightly lighter grey, which actually does look grey! This probably answers the confusion about the difference in colours. He did recommend that if you were to model it as a brand new plane then make it greenish, but if worn then make it greyer.
The model company Humbrol apparently had the closest match to the factory new colour scheme.
Hope this helps and hope to see the aircraft in AH! :)
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Thanks for all your trouble Nexx. I didn't go overboard on the weathering originally since the Mk Is were basically just used for training and acceptance trials rather than service on board carriers. I'll switch to the colours you found and change the underside colour to light grey and fade it down a bit more.
BTW I found some stuff here (http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/allies/us/cleaverwc5.htm) on FAA colours while researching the Wildcat. It seems some US factories matched the colour samples supplied by the FAA while others just used the nearest US military colours.
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The guy I spoke to did say that they have a Fairy Albarcore in exactly the same colours as the Corsair Mk.I at the FAA Museum. Whether you can do a search on the internet and see if there are more photos available of this aircraft? N4389/4M - Fairey Albacore - (N4172 composite)
(http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Albacore_profile_2.jpg)
Can't really see upper colour scheme very well.
Also
(http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/albacore_profile.gif)
I think he said the Barracuda there was same colour scheme too
(http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/BarracudaMkIIIac5Cprofile.gif)
Think the TBM is same scheme too?
(http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/TarponMkIJZ217_JC846sqd1944profile.jpg)
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Old colours, from Osprey FAA book:
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/mk%20i%20rear%20quarter.jpg)
FAA Museum colours with a 6% grey wash (low detail due to 512k textures):
(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/mki.jpg)
Maybe I'll stick to dark blue planes in future...... :)
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That looks pretty good! How do you think it compares to other FAA colour schemes? I think it looks about right.
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It looks more "real" to me too. I've seen so many variants of FAA colours in books and on the web, I'm not sure what is correct now though.
I'm going to go with these colours. Think I'll bring up the detail levels a bit, as most will be viewing in 512 now. Going to have a look at putting an FAA "dude" in the cockpit too.
As regards that Avenger, apparently all Grumman aircraft made in the Grumman's own factory were painted in FAA colours, all those made in other factories were painted in US olive drab, dark grey and light grey.
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Just uploaded it to AH Skins (http://www.ah-skins.com/index.php)
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Originally posted by Greebo
Just uploaded it to AH Skins (http://www.ah-skins.com/index.php)
Cool, I'll try and download it later! :)
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Greebo
Are you thinking about doing one of the FAA Hellcats in the grey/green camo. ?
Redd
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I'd love to do that scheme Redd, but the current art won't support it properly. Both the fuselage sides and tailplane are mirrored. Hopefully it'll be possible when the art is updated.
Currently I'm working on a D Day striped F4F.
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nicely done greebo. When I roll the -1 this denifitly going to be the skin I wear.
Bozon
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Greebo, think you could do a Martlett/Wildcat at some time, or doesn't the skin permit?
(http://www.targeta.btinternet.co.uk/images/041_1693_RJa.jpg)
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(http://www.gfg06.dial.pipex.com/wildcat.jpg)
What, like this one?:)
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lol, the brits really gone far with the stripes on the F4F... it's almost a flying zebra :)
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Yeah, each stripe had to be 18 inches wide iirc, so on a titchy little plane like the F4F they look huge. :) The authorities were really strict about the size and placement of D Day stripes because of previous bad experiences WRT the Navy's aircraft recognition.
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Sweet!!! :) Have you done any other FAA aircraft with invasion stripes? Wish they'd update skin size for the F4U, F6F, TBM etc.
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Sadly, with the current art the only other FAA D Day plane I could do is the Seafire, the others have too many limitations.
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Originally posted by Greebo
Sadly, with the current art the only other FAA D Day plane I could do is the Seafire, the others have too many limitations.
...and are you doing that? :) hint hint!
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How about a quick one for our brethren across the tasman
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/596_1087389284_wanf4u3.jpg)
Some detailed photos here
http://www.kiwiaircraftimages.com/corsair.html
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I'm going to be tied up with F4Fs and FM-2s for a while, I've got plans for 6 or 7 in total. However I'll be doing an F4U-1 and an F4U-1D template soon.
I don't think the NZ F4U is going to work however. IIRC the NZ Hawgs were actually F4U-1As, not F4U-1s like the one shown here. HTC won't accept this sort of substitution, they rejected my VF-17 F4U-1 for this reason. It won't work as an F4U-1D either, since there are numerous bugs which mean you can only do the D in an all dark blue scheme.
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Originally posted by Greebo
I'm going to be tied up with F4Fs and FM-2s for a while, I've got plans for 6 or 7 in total. However I'll be doing an F4U-1 and an F4U-1D template soon.
I don't think the NZ F4U is going to work however. IIRC the NZ Hawgs were actually F4U-1As, not F4U-1s like the one shown here. HTC won't accept this sort of substitution, they rejected my VF-17 F4U-1 for this reason. It won't work as an F4U-1D either, since their are numerous bugs which mean you can only do the D in an all dark blue scheme.
Greebo, going to Duxford tomorrow and they have a couple of airworthy F4Us, F4F and F6F if you want pictures of anything in particular on them (text/writing etc.). Think one of the F4Us is a FG-1, is that equivalent to a F4U-1D?
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Think the FG-1 is just a Goodyear built F4U-1D. Thanks, I'd like a closeup shot of the fabric areas of the F4F, or any of those planes. Stitching, that sort of thing.
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Originally posted by Greebo
Think the FG-1 is just a Goodyear built F4U-1D. Thanks, I'd like a closeup shot of the fabric areas of the F4F, or any of those planes. Stitching, that sort of thing.
Okay, will do, just have they don't have the F4F's wings folded back! :)