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Title: Must be getting old but...
Post by: lazs2 on June 08, 2004, 11:41:38 AM
The new chrysler 300c appeals to me..

pretty much a mercedes 300 with a chrysler hemi in it.

I have been thinking for years that a merc with a big block in it would be a pretty neat car...  This thing  is pretty much what I woulda built and I don't think I could do it for as cheap.

Gonna be lots of cheap speed equipment for that hemi soon... they are gonna have a 4 wheel drive version...  

Only bad thing is that there is no stick shift version but it is at least a 5 speed auto.

lazs
Title: Must be getting old but...
Post by: AKIron on June 08, 2004, 11:43:20 AM
With gas at almost $2/gal here, I'm finding more interest in the hybrids.
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Post by: TheDudeDVant on June 08, 2004, 11:59:46 AM
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Originally posted by AKIron
With gas at almost $2/gal here, I'm finding more interest in the hybrids.


I'm sure you have a lot of interest in Honda's version of the hybrid.. 8)
Title: Must be getting old but...
Post by: lazs2 on June 08, 2004, 12:04:01 PM
the 300 has a solenoid controlled valve mechanism that opens 8 valves to let the car run on 4 cyl.  when not needed.  It is supossed to tale like .4 milisec to switch and is torque demand controlled.   Can't tell by the sound or throttle feel supossedly...  thing gets 17 mpg city and 25 highway.

lazs
Title: Must be getting old but...
Post by: AKIron on June 08, 2004, 12:08:33 PM
Honda is claiming 51mpg for their Civic Hybrid. Would be nice to save about $100/month. That's about 5 trips to the firing range.
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Post by: lazs2 on June 08, 2004, 12:18:28 PM
I have my fuel for worlk supplied by the city and so I don't put 100 bucks a month into gas even at 10 mpg in my El Camino.

if I drive 10000 miles a year and get 25 mpg out of the 300c hemi and 51 out of the honda thingie... I would only save about 800 dollars a year.   you ain't gettin me to spend that much time in a honda for $800 a year.

lazs
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Post by: SOB on June 08, 2004, 01:20:21 PM
You ain't getting old Lazs...well, yeah you are :p, but the car definitely has something.
Title: Must be getting old but...
Post by: lazs2 on June 08, 2004, 01:47:28 PM
but I look good eh sob?

lazs
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Post by: Boroda on June 08, 2004, 01:48:00 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
With gas at almost $2/gal here, I'm finding more interest in the hybrids.


Interesting. Here people pay 13 rubles for a litre, it will be over $1.5/gal, and you Americans can't afford "almost $2/gal"?! Average income is maybe 10 times smaller in Russia then in the US!
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Post by: mosgood on June 08, 2004, 02:05:23 PM
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Originally posted by Boroda
Interesting. Here people pay 13 rubles for a litre, it will be over $1.5/gal, and you Americans can't afford "almost $2/gal"?! Average income is maybe 10 times smaller in Russia then in the US!



Cool....  that means I could have a blast in the russian stripclubs!!!

:aok
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Post by: xrtoronto on June 08, 2004, 02:08:54 PM
I like the car allot too....

(http://1.im.cz/n/photo/01/52/94vsfhb-topsirka.jpg)
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Post by: FUNKED1 on June 08, 2004, 02:13:26 PM
Man who whacked that car with the ugly stick.
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Post by: lazs2 on June 08, 2004, 02:23:20 PM
funked... they weren't aiming at your generation with it... to us old farts it brings back the old 300 series chryslers... It has oldie stuff like analog guages that look like SW ones and knobs for controls... leather.   chopped top and real friggin chrome door handles.   HEMI...  Sure... It don't look like some plastic mdel that got melted in the oven but us old guys are pretty conventional.

plus... I am being lectured about ugly by a.... subaru owner?

lazs
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Post by: xrtoronto on June 08, 2004, 02:31:34 PM
funked, you might change your mind when you see one of those on the road...it's a classy looking sedan
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Post by: Toad on June 08, 2004, 03:43:24 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
plus... I am being lectured about ugly by a.... subaru owner?

lazs


OoooooOOOOOOOOoooooooooooOooo ooooooooh! That's gotta sting!
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Post by: SOB on June 08, 2004, 04:17:22 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
but I look good eh sob?

lazs

Especially in cowboy boots and a holster! :( :D
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Post by: SOB on June 08, 2004, 04:18:28 PM
The car looks like luxury and tough, I like it.
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Post by: lazs2 on June 08, 2004, 04:19:52 PM
sob... that will probly stay with you for the rest of your life.  

lazs
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Post by: GtoRA2 on June 08, 2004, 04:21:09 PM
SOB
 You forgot
"and nothing else"


It's ok we knew you were thinking it!


:D
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Post by: SOB on June 08, 2004, 04:23:26 PM
As much as I scrub and scrub, I can never wipe the memory clean!  Seriously tho', I don't think I've ever laughed so hard.  Best story EVAR!
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Post by: Skuzzy on June 08, 2004, 04:28:53 PM
Hmm,..I have seen the picures,..seen it on the road,...love the hot rods from the 50's and 60's and well..

That is one ugly car.  Looks like a Hoover vacuum cleaner.
Title: Must be getting old but...
Post by: lazs2 on June 08, 2004, 04:54:42 PM
you might want to look at a 57-58 300.

when I was younger I allways thought the 300's were butt ugly but now I see the lure they had for the older guys back then.

The thing is basicaly a merc 300 with a chrysler hemi in it..  The grill may be over the top but no worse than a 57-58 was and certainly no uglier than older mercedes were.  

The chopped top reminds me of early barris mercury's.  

lazs
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Post by: Thrawn on June 08, 2004, 04:57:46 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
I have my fuel for worlk supplied by the city and so I don't put 100 bucks a month into gas even at 10 mpg in my El Camino.


So you don't like the government taking your money but you have no problem pissing away tax payers money on a gas guzzler.  You can thank all the manly men and hard working women for you being able to afford it.  I never took you for a closet commie.
Title: Must be getting old but...
Post by: lazs2 on June 08, 2004, 05:01:08 PM
No... the vehicle I drive to work is owned by the city and is an on call vehicle.   It is a Dodge truck and it saves them money for me to use it to respond to emergencies in.

my elky is my personal vehicle and is paid for by me.

lazs
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Post by: Terror on June 08, 2004, 05:11:29 PM
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Originally posted by AKIron
Honda is claiming 51mpg for their Civic Hybrid. Would be nice to save about $100/month. That's about 5 trips to the firing range.


From what I understand, Hybrid Technology is NOT getting the high mileage numbers they are claiming.  Around 25-32mpg.  Not those advertised numbers....

Here is the center of the debate:

http://hybridbuzz.blogspot.com/ (http://hybridbuzz.blogspot.com/)

Its the tale of a customer that is not very satisfied about his Hybrid Car's mileage and his quest to find out what is wrong...

Terror

PS.  Also a CBSNEWS article about it HERE (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/28/eveningnews/consumer/main620265.shtml)
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Post by: Thrawn on June 08, 2004, 05:23:13 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
No... the vehicle I drive to work is owned by the city and is an on call vehicle.   It is a Dodge truck and it saves them money for me to use it to respond to emergencies in.

my elky is my personal vehicle and is paid for by me.

lazs



Curses!  You foiled me this time lazs, but I shall return...when you least expect it.  :mad:
Title: Must be getting old but...
Post by: beet1e on June 08, 2004, 05:26:56 PM
Lazs - "the 300 has a solenoid controlled valve mechanism that opens 8 valves to let the car run on 4 cyl. when not needed." That technology has been around for a while. Wasn't it GM that came up with the V8-6-4 engine concept for Cadillacs c1981? I bought a Toyota in 1988 which had a 2.0 litre 16 valve multiport engine, as all the Jap engines were by then. It worked the same way. The "secondary" valves functioned on demand. The exhaust sound was different when they did.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
That is one ugly car.  Looks like a Hoover vacuum cleaner.
:lol:aok
Title: Must be getting old but...
Post by: RedTop on June 08, 2004, 05:33:16 PM
See Avatar.............currently 26.4 miles AVERAGE City/Highway:aok
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Post by: Skuzzy on June 08, 2004, 05:34:03 PM
See laz,..I think the original 300 was a sweet looking ride.  Not as good looking as a chopped/dropped 54 Ford, but a good looking car.

I see the styling cues in this new one, but for a contemporary design, I think it is rather ugly and lacks the timeless looks of many classics.
I think they could have done better by the marque.
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Post by: Habu on June 08, 2004, 05:40:46 PM
My dad bought one and it is due to be picked up this week. I think it is the nicest car Chrysler has come out with in years. Compare it to the POS New Yorker from 6 years ago.

However Chrysler has made some awesome trucks like the 2500 Cummins and I have owned 4 of them and watched them improve every version. They can design great vehicles (and really bad ones as well) and I think lately they are betting the farm on their new designs so they are not going to introduce anything that is crap.

I am sure the car will be a really nice ride.
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Post by: lazs2 on June 08, 2004, 05:43:19 PM
beetle the caddy was a 4-6-8 deal but it was slow to act.  According to the literature the chrysler one is seemless and works in miliseconds.  I have heard the car and it sounds like a V8 to me.  

skuzzy.. even now the 57-58 300's seem a tiny bit over the top to me.   I really liked the 55-56 300.   Other than the grill I can't see what parts of the styling are not to like.

thrawn... I am hyper vigilante... like a cat or.. that Peter sellers character in the pink panther.   I welcome your feeble canadian attempts to catch me off guard.  

lazs
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Post by: beet1e on June 08, 2004, 05:49:14 PM
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Originally posted by RedTop
See Avatar.............currently 26.4 miles AVERAGE City/Highway:aok
I used to drive a gas guzzler like that.
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Post by: RedTop on June 08, 2004, 06:59:11 PM
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Originally posted by beet1e
I used to drive a gas guzzler like that.


But Beetle.......I doubt you did it like this one.  :lol

It's really good on gas when ya think of all the SUV's running around that do FAR worst. ;)
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Post by: hawker238 on June 08, 2004, 07:12:22 PM
I don't think I'd want to buy a car doing any less than 30.

Is it true gas prices hit $5 in England, beetle?
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Post by: AKIron on June 08, 2004, 08:28:57 PM
To be honest, I have a lead foot but still enjoy the V6 in my Accord, peppy enough fer me. Bummer about the false advertising on the hybrids. I'd gladly give up my need for speed if we could eliminate our need for foreign oil.
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Post by: Nifty on June 08, 2004, 08:36:25 PM
another thing to look at with the hybrids is how much more the car costs vs other cars in the same class.   Someone at work was talking about getting one of the hybrids.  He priced it out against other cars in the class.  I can't remember exactly what he came up with, but the price savings in gas catch up to the price difference of the hybrid in about 5 years.

That was based off of the dealer reported MPG, not the more realistic MPG that is being reported by consumers.
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Post by: RedTop on June 08, 2004, 09:28:48 PM
Hawker,,,what part of RI you from..not that its that big anyway. Heak the county I live in Texas could whip it in a war,,,LOL  Just wondering as I have spent some time in Newport , Warren , Bristol , Barrington. My kids live up there.
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Post by: Sandman on June 08, 2004, 10:27:33 PM
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Originally posted by lazs2
The new chrysler 300c appeals to me..

pretty much a mercedes 300 with a chrysler hemi in it.

I have been thinking for years that a merc with a big block in it would be a pretty neat car...  This thing  is pretty much what I woulda built and I don't think I could do it for as cheap.

Gonna be lots of cheap speed equipment for that hemi soon... they are gonna have a 4 wheel drive version...  

Only bad thing is that there is no stick shift version but it is at least a 5 speed auto.

lazs


Laz... remember when you were young and you used to think cheap liquor was fun, but now you probably discriminate a bit more? This is the same sort of thing, only it's a car. Consider it a "luxury" muscle car. :)
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Post by: lazs2 on June 09, 2004, 08:12:07 AM
sandie yep.. but I still have a couple of hot rods.. they just beat the crap out of me on a trip anymore and hardly anyone will ride with me.  I was thinking of the 300 as a road trip car to take my girlfriend and grand daughter in and such..  

lazs
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Post by: AKIron on June 09, 2004, 10:50:52 AM
It is a good lookin' car Lazs, go for it. :aok
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Post by: FUNKED1 on June 09, 2004, 10:54:44 AM
Lazs it's a new engine they are calling a "hemi".  It's not the classic hemi.  Get over it.
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Post by: slimm50 on June 09, 2004, 11:17:30 AM
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
I like the car allot too....

(http://1.im.cz/n/photo/01/52/94vsfhb-topsirka.jpg)

How come they left it in the middle of the road like that, and on a curve, to boot?
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Post by: lazs2 on June 09, 2004, 02:33:41 PM
funked.. it is a hemi..  it is just a better hemi than the old boat anchor.  cam is mounted higher in the block like it shoulda been all along and it has aluminum heads.  It's a better hemi and guys will be getting 500 street hp out of it without it breaking a sweat.

lazs
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Post by: Sparks on June 09, 2004, 05:29:37 PM
Hawker 238 - just filled up my Volvo S40

Price Per Litre =£0.829  (82.9p)

In dollars =0.829 x 1.70 = $1.4093 per litre

So US gallon is 3.785L so that makes it $5.33 per US gallon

$5.33 per gallon

$77.74 to fill up my 4 door mid-size

and you guys are bleating about $2.00 :rolleyes:
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Post by: rpm on June 09, 2004, 07:10:20 PM
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Originally posted by Sparks
Hawker 238 - just filled up my Volvo S40

Price Per Litre =£0.829  (82.9p)

In dollars =0.829 x 1.70 = $1.4093 per litre

So US gallon is 3.785L so that makes it $5.33 per US gallon

$5.33 per gallon

$77.74 to fill up my 4 door mid-size

and you guys are bleating about $2.00 :rolleyes:

Considering that we have much longer distances to cover, you bet we're bleating! The UK is roughly the size of Oregon.
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Post by: Sparks on June 10, 2004, 04:41:36 AM
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Considering that we have much longer distances to cover, you bet we're bleating! The UK is roughly the size of Oregon.


eh ??  How many times do you do cross country trips longer than 800 miles then??

Funnily enough we don't just drive until we hit the coast and stop for the rest of the year - we actually manage to go all over.  my average mileage is 20 - 25,000,  been to europe in the car 6 times in the last 12 months.

Get used to it - your fuel price is artificially low. Wait til China starts taking as much as you do in the US and see where the gas price goes.

June National Geographic has a good article on it - page 80.

Sparks
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Post by: beet1e on June 10, 2004, 05:41:46 AM
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Originally posted by Sparks
my average mileage is 20 - 25,000,  been to europe in the car 6 times in the last 12 months.
Ah - you're just the man I need to talk to! I could use some info about getting cheap crossings. A friend has recommended http://www.speedferries.com - but their only route is Dover/Boulogne. Just ran a price check: Two people two-way passage with normal size car = £60. Is that good?
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Post by: crowMAW on June 10, 2004, 06:29:06 AM
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
I like the car allot too....

(http://1.im.cz/n/photo/01/52/94vsfhb-topsirka.jpg)


It reminds me of The Car:

(http://www.badmovies.org/movies/thecar/thecar7.jpg)

(http://www.phillymint.com/I_Ertl/ertl33264.jpg)
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Post by: lazs2 on June 10, 2004, 08:22:00 AM
sparks... nooo... your fuel is artificialy high.  Most of the cost is tax... tax you can see and the tax to produce.   It is part and parcel to your great socialism experiment.  enjoy.

We pay about 35 cents a gallon ourselves in tax on fuel that goes no where sensible like fixing roads.

oh.. the car.. looks like a suicide door lincoln of late 60's vintage.  not bad cars but not in the same league as the 300c.

lazs
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Post by: rpm on June 10, 2004, 09:31:50 AM
Looks like a '72 Lincoln Mark V
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Post by: beet1e on June 10, 2004, 02:00:43 PM
I think CrowMAW is referring to a film of the same name. That would be James Brolin holding the gun.

I always remember that paaarp-p-p-paaarp sound the car made. Never did figure out if anyone was in the driving seat!

The Car (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075809/)
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Post by: deSelys on June 10, 2004, 03:44:19 PM
The new Chrysler is very nice. It reminds me the french 'Facel-Vega' from 1956 powered by a Chrysler 4.8L 250HP engine.

(http://www.facel-vega.com/FVdaninos/book1/hifrog606.jpg)

and Stirling Moss with his HK 500:

(http://www.facel-vega.com/FVdaninos/book1/hifrog514.gif)