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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toad on June 08, 2004, 08:40:46 PM
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Draft resolution criticizes Iran for insufficient cooperation in nuclear probe (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20040608-1416-nuclearagency-iran.html)
The draft, written by France, Britain and Germany, "deplores" Iran's failure to cooperate in a "complete, timely and proactive' way, said a diplomat quoting parts of the text to The Associated Press. He spoke on condition of anonymity.
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I hear they are threatening to author more resolutions as punishment for Iran. Iran must be very afraid about pissing off the UN.......
Maybe Hans Blix can assure the UN that Iran is cooperating....he could probably do that in about "two more weeks"
:lol
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Will be interesting to watch but talk's cheap.
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I cant wait till they auther their "last chance" resolution for Iran...boy, then you'll know the UN is playing for keeps! :lol
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I'd love to see the US stay out of this one and see how it turns out.
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Originally posted by Toad
I'd love to see the US stay out of this one and see how it turns out.
Bit difficult considering that the US is a permanent member of the Security Council (something many americans on this board seem to forget when complaining about what the UN has and has not done).
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plus...the US has two wars with multiple fronts in 2 neighbouring countries
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Originally posted by Pei
Bit difficult considering that the US is a permanent member of the Security Council (something many americans on this board seem to forget when complaining about what the UN has and has not done).
I say the US should vote for any resolution against Iran, including force......but we should refuse to offer our military to help. Then we could support the UN yet really not have to do anything to help enforce the resolutions. That would be ideal.
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Originally posted by Pei
Bit difficult considering that the US is a permanent member of the Security Council (something many americans on this board seem to forget when complaining about what the UN has and has not done).
What I meant was, we should let the French and Germans write the resolutions and simply support them. If push comes to shove, let the French and Germans try to enforce them.
I don't want to see us be obstructive, nor do I want to see us take a "leading role" in it. In short, this time we should swap roles with them. ;) (Well, OK.. they're obstructive a lot of the time but we don't need to be like that.)
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If push comes to shove, let the French and Germans try to enforce them.
We could let them use Iraq as their staging point.
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Iran should jest tell the US, Britain and France to shut up and mind thier own business.
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Originally posted by Pongo
Iran should jest tell the US, Britain and France to shut up and mind thier own business.
Hell yea Pongo! Thats the spirit!!!
"France, UK, Europe!!! Shut up and mind your own business!!! I can break the old treaties as I please! And its none of your business!!"
Thats basically what this guy said.. It turned out great!Only cost 60 million lives, but countries did mind their busines...
(http://eer-music.com/pics2/hitler.jpg)
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Oooo the dreaded GRUNHERZ Hitler picture collection 101... :eek:
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Originally posted by Toad
I'd love to see the US stay out of this one and see how it turns out.
you and me both.
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Originally posted by Toad
I'd love to see the US stay out of this one and see how it turns out.
a very good Idea :aok
this way the US can watch & learn something !
;)
R
Gh0stFT
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The US would never dare to use any kind of serious force against Iran.
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Well, either way, Iran needs to be destroyed.
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LOL :D
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Hell yea Pongo! Thats the spirit!!!
"France, UK, Europe!!! Shut up and mind your own business!!! I can break the old treaties as I please! And its none of your business!!"
Thats basically what this guy said.. It turned out great!Only cost 60 million lives, but countries did mind their busines...
(http://eer-music.com/pics2/hitler.jpg)
Yes,and "that guy" also said his country was invading USSSR "In defense of Europe against Communist Tyrany".
The more things change the more they stay the same.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Toad
What I meant was, we should let the French and Germans write the resolutions and simply support them. If push comes to shove, let the French and Germans try to enforce them.
An excellent idea - might even distract them from their quest to rule Europe.
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that guy with the silly face hair was saying "all those in favor of gun control raise your right hand."
lazs
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
this way the US can watch & learn something !
No doubt. We learned something when we stayed out and watched the Euros "handle" the Balkan situation.
Of course, it's more like "re-learned". It was something we already knew.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Toad
What I meant was, we should let the French and Germans write the resolutions and simply support them. If push comes to shove, let the French and Germans try to enforce them.
hard to write anything sitting on your hands..
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Originally posted by Toad
No doubt. We learned something when we stayed out and watched the Euros "handle" the Balkan situation.
Of course, it's more like "re-learned". It was something we already knew.
:rofl
Yes, you stayed out and watched until some terrorist organisation needed your military assistance to fight police forces...
At least Europeans didn't "bomb anyone to stone age" to support international drug-dealers and slave-traders.
Wherever you interfere with your glourious war machine - people should forget about peace and stability.
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You're wierd.
...and grunny that was retarded.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Hell yea Pongo! Thats the spirit!!!
"France, UK, Europe!!! Shut up and mind your own business!!! I can break the old treaties as I please! And its none of your business!!"
Thats basically what this guy said.. It turned out great!Only cost 60 million lives, but countries did mind their busines...
(http://eer-music.com/pics2/hitler.jpg)
pongown3d
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Poor Boroda.
Any history of the conflict will show that Clinton did not want the US to get involved in any way.
Check and see what parties were begging the US to get involved. You'll find they were the same ones that just had their glorious peacekeeping troops run out of the country.
And talk about who was supporting whom...... let's see. Russia sort of saw Milosevic as a fine upstanding human being, IIRC.
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Originally posted by Toad
Poor Boroda.
Any history of the conflict will show that Clinton did not want the US to get involved in any way.
Check and see what parties were begging the US to get involved. You'll find they were the same ones that just had their glorious peacekeeping troops run out of the country.
And talk about who was supporting whom...... let's see. Russia sort of saw Milosevic as a fine upstanding human being, IIRC.
Toad, in Autumn, 1998 US Senate declared Kosovo Liberation Army a terrorist organisation. In Spring, 1999 your aerial pirates started to bomb Yugoslavia to help the above-mentioned terrorists.
Probably some "party" in the US that supported the bombings have a share in Albanian drug-dealing business.
There is an opinion that American "operation" in Afghanistan had a purpose to increase opium production that was prohibited by Taliban. Now US offer Tajikistan "assistance" if they'll make Russia withdraw border-guards from Tajik-Afghan border. Russian border-guards there are the last shield between Afghani drugs and Europe (opium route to Kazakhstan and further to Russia and other European countries). Don't you think it's too much drug connections?
As for Miloshevich - the "trial" against him turned into a farce worse then Dimitrov's process of the 30s. The accusations in genocide were dropped, other accusations are mostly fake, NATO "peacekeepers" couldn't even find "mass graves" they promised, other then mass graves of Serbs murdered by Albanians... He may be an evil dicatator, I don't know... But your Westen "justice" doesn't even let him speak!
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How easily you forget what the Serbs were doing between Autumn '98 and Spring '99.
The Euro forces asked the US to intervene after they had essentially been run out of the Balkans by the Serbs.
You obviously need to review UNPROFOR, IFOR, SFOR history.
Not to mention the history of the slaughter by the Serbs; it's not conjecture, it's fact no matter how you try to pull the old "Pravda" tricks out of your hat.
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hehe
boron, that post has to be a classic LOL
hopefully you are not so screwed as to believe it...
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
pongown3d
Ya owned.
Someone that has posted "booosh is hitler" countless times now reaches into his bag and pulls out what. Iran is hitler..
lol Im owned. What would Sigmund say?
Preemption makes people uneasy. They see the only defense against a superpower that feels it has a right to preemption is gaining access to nukes. Nukes will proliferate and the coutries that have nukes complaining about others seeking the secuity of them is just hypocritical.
Its just a logical outcome of the invasion of Iraq. War makes people feel insecure and they seek security. Big supprise.
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Ahh yes the evils of preemption and constant awareness of upcoming threats...
Boo evil Amreeka!!!
Mullah Omar says on September 10 2001! Amreeka shut the hell up and mind your own business!!!
(http://gfx.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2003/09/10/al1.jpg)
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Originally posted by NUKE
I say the US should vote for any resolution against Iran, including force......but we should refuse to offer our military to help. Then we could support the UN yet really not have to do anything to help enforce the resolutions. That would be ideal.
Sounds good to me, but is that not what the UN does best, they are much better at doing nothing then we are.
France and Germany could be a big help in the doing nothing dept. IMHO.
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
a very good Idea :aok
this way the US can watch & learn something !
;)
R
Gh0stFT
Not from the likes of you, however.
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damn you all sound like a bunch of cry babies who like pointing fingers....
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Originally posted by SLO
damn you all sound like a bunch of cry babies who like pointing fingers....
You started it! :p
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Just a question... Does US war on Iraq have solved anything in middle east?
Let me guess... no! i won't event talk about WMD because it would be so laughable if only they weren't all those dead cilivians / soldiers.
Pro bush posters, have fun on this BBS, US soldiers and Iraqy civilians don't have this chance.
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
Just a question... Does US war on Iraq have solved anything in middle east?
Not yet, stayed tuned.
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Originally posted by Toad
Not yet, stayed tuned.
LOL! - you're a very naughty toad. :D
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Just a bit tired of those that think watershed changes in the course of history occur when someone waves a magic wand.
I think it must be because there's a lot of folks that haven't read much history at all. Just a thought.
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Toad, I think it's more a result of the age of instant gratification we live in (especially in the case of Americans). Waiting just isn't a part of our world anymore, it seems.
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
Just a question... Does US war on Iraq have solved anything in middle east?
Let me guess... no! i won't event talk about WMD because it would be so laughable if only they weren't all those dead cilivians / soldiers.
Pro bush posters, have fun on this BBS, US soldiers and Iraqy civilians don't have this chance.
Yes, first we liberated Kuwait from Iraq and then when Saddam didn't comply with the arms and cease-fire agreements, we eliminated Saddam. I wonder if the US didn't use force against Iraq to get him to leave Kuwait, do you think Iraq would have left just because the UN said so?
So far it's going pretty well. Lots of people have been liberated because of US force against Iraq in the middle east and it's only going to get better for those people.
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Originally posted by Ouaibe
Just a question... Does US war on Iraq have solved anything in middle east?
Let me guess... no! i won't event talk about WMD because it would be so laughable if only they weren't all those dead cilivians / soldiers.
Pro bush posters, have fun on this BBS, US soldiers and Iraqy civilians don't have this chance.
I must be missing something, the only policy that France seems to have
for the middle east looks like "A mirage in every Garage!".
Maybe you could point me to the french middle east peace plan?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Yes, first we liberated Kuwait from Iraq...
But why did you liberate Kuwait?
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Originally posted by Rino
I must be missing something, the only policy that France seems to have
for the middle east looks like "A mirage in every Garage!".
Maybe you could point me to the french middle east peace plan?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by SirLoin
But why did you liberate Kuwait?
Because the UN could not? It took the US to do the job, not UN paper and warnings.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Because the UN could not? It took the US to do the job, not UN paper and warnings.
Answer the question.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Answer the question.
Because President Bush gave the go ahead. Because President Bush said we would, no other reason.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Because President Bush gave the go ahead. Because President Bush said we would, no other reason.
Heil to the cheif!
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Heil to the cheif!
Well I answered :)
The only reason we went to war was because we decided to go to war, and if we decided not to go to war, Kuwait would be part of Iraq today.
Same with Iraq today....they are free and will be free because of the US, no other reason.
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the answer he was lookin for Nuke is.....AMERICAN INTEREST
that is the ONLY answer to your liberation of Kuwait....you didn't go there to LIBERATE Kuwaiti's
you went there to PROTECT your INTEREST.....
don't let them newspaper propaganda fool ya
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You say this like it's a bad thing SLO. Or like it's an uncommon reason to initiate hostilities. ;)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Well I answered :)
"The only reason we went to war was because we decided to go to war, and if we decided not to go to war, Kuwait would be part of Iraq today."
I don't understand why you think that..I'm sure they were just being "liberated" and were going to be given their freedom.
Same with Iraq today....they are free and will be free because of the US, no other reason.
Free of what?
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Originally posted by SLO
the answer he was lookin for Nuke is.....AMERICAN INTEREST
that is the ONLY answer to your liberation of Kuwait....you didn't go there to LIBERATE Kuwaiti's
you went there to PROTECT your INTEREST.....
don't let them newspaper propaganda fool ya
I think the answer he was looking for was "because the UN authorized it"
The US will do whatever we need to protect our national interests, but that doesn't detract what we did for Kuwait. We didn't go their to take over their oil, we simply restored their country and ensured a crazy dictator didn't gain control or threaten the world's major oil supply.
Sounds like a good reason to go and good result to me.
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GH dribbled.
"Ahh yes the evils of preemption and constant awareness of upcoming threats...
Boo evil Amreeka!!!
Mullah Omar says on September 10 2001! Amreeka shut the hell up and mind your own business!!! "
Which of the counties that the US has invaded in the last 50 years have been an "upcoming" threat?
Chant your imbecilic rants if you like. The only countries that where a threat to the US where NOT invaded.
Ask your self why that is.
The Iranians are.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The US will do whatever we need to protect our national interests, but that doesn't detract what we did for Kuwait. We didn't go their to take over their oil, we simply restored their country and ensured a crazy dictator didn't gain control or threaten the world's major oil supply.
I thought US troops were to only deployed to defend Saudi Arabia against the soon to happen(according to fake satalite photos) Iraqi invasion?...That's what they said...
A purely defensive deployment it wasn't.
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Originally posted by Pongo
GH dribbled.
" The only countries that where a threat to the US where NOT invaded.
Ask your self why that is.
The Iranians are.
So how do you determine that Iran is a threat? You must be an inteligence officer in high places.
You claim Iran is a threat? Well, what information do you have that Iran is a threat that wasn't offered as proof Iraq was a threat?
Who are you to decide what a threat to the US is?
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Originally posted by SirLoin
I thought US troops were to only be used to defend Saudi Arabia against the soon to happen Iraqi invasion?...That's what they said...
A purely defensive deployment it was.
Which war are you refering too?
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Originally posted by NUKE
Which war are you refering too?
Web search.."Operation Desert Storm"
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Rwanda had a tyranical leader....why didn't you go and FREE them
NO INTEREST IN THE REGION...thats why
but Kuwait was different.....
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Web search.."Operation Desert Storm"
So you missed it when President Bush came on TV days after Iraq invaded Kuwait and committed the US to getting Iraq out of Kuwait. "this agression will not stand" ring a bell ?
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Originally posted by SLO
Rwanda had a tyranical leader....why didn't you go and FREE them
NO INTEREST IN THE REGION...thats why
but Kuwait was different.....
Maybe you prefer to fault the US for not liberating every other chit-hole, but why should we? Would you?
You are grasping at straws.
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damn nuke.....you answer quickly....you workin?
I am:rofl
just tryin to tell ya that it was based on INTEREST you had in the region....
I never said that what WE did in Kuwait(the allies) was bad....I just don't like hearing it was to Liberate(cause that ain't right)
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SLO, I said the US will look out for our interests. Don't you?
I never said we went into Iraq for the reason of freeing the Iraqis. I said the only reason Iraq is liberated was because of the US.
Can you tell me what you consider damaging to either Canada, the world or Iraqis as a result of our action in Iraq? Tell me what the worst thing about the Iraq war is.
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I gotta go in 5.....will answer tomorrow sorry
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Originally posted by NUKE
So you missed it when President Bush came on TV days after Iraq invaded Kuwait and committed the US to getting Iraq out of Kuwait. "this agression will not stand" ring a bell ?
you missed it when Bushes ambassador told Huessain 2 weeks before that that the US thought the Kuwiet-Iraq border dispute was not a US issue.
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So how do you determine that Iran is a threat? You must be an inteligence officer in high places.
US Intellegence knew for sure Irak's had WMD and Uranium cells :rolleyes:
I need to be out of this kind of monologue. Everyone camping his position. Arguing on Internet is just a waist of time. Back to work :D
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Originally posted by Pongo
you missed it when Bushes ambassador told Huessain 2 weeks before that that the US thought the Kuwiet-Iraq border dispute was not a US issue.
I believe what the US ambassodor said to the Iraqi diplomat was..."We seek peacefull relations with our Iraqi friends...and regarding your border dispute with Kuwait,we have no opinion."
Also in Congress,the Bush administration was asked what would happen if Iraq invaded Kuwait..The answer said outloud.."No military action"
At the time,Iraq was a US ally...A stern warning from US would have prevented 2 wars and hundreds of thousands of lives(learn from our mistakes in 1939 eg. Neville Chambelain)
Kuwait was overproducing oil in violation OPEC quotas..this drove the price of oil down costing Iraq over a billion dollars a day...Iraq tried to resolve the dispute,filed a greivance with the UN that got no attention,finally got Jordan to broker a deal with Kuwait regarding oil production but at the last moment the Kuwaiti's reneged...There was also the disputed oil feilds between Kuwait and Iraq which the Kuwaitis moved in on and took possession.The Kuwaiti's were also demanding payments for the war againsts Iran(which the US supported)
USA invades Panama...
Oliver North meets in a hotel with high ranking Iranian businessmen in Germany...he says on tape how US wants Iraq to be the next enemy and wants better relations with Iran(Iran Contra scandal)...Thus USA provided arms to both Iraq(including raw materials for WMD) and Iran at the same time.Rumsfeld is photographed shaking hands with Saddam.
Warsaw Pact was over with the fall of USSR iron curtain....New enemies had to be found or there would have been calls for drastic reductions in US "Defense" spending.
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Kuwait was overproducing oil in violation OPEC quotas..this drove the price of oil down costing Iraq over a billion dollars a day...Iraq tried to resolve the dispute,filed a greivance with the UN that got no attention,finally got Jordan to broker a deal with Kuwait regarding oil production but at the last moment the Kuwaiti's reneged...There was also the disputed oil feilds between Kuwait and Iraq which the Kuwaitis moved in on and took possession.The Kuwaiti's were also demanding payments for the war againsts Iran(which the US supported)
This is all true; furthermore there's evidence to suggest that it was elements within the US establishment who were encouraging the Kuwaitis in this stance. The end result was that Iraq was provoked into military action then slapped down, disarmed and effectively discarded as a once firm US ally having outlived its usefulness.
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Originally posted by Momus--
This is all true; furthermore there's evidence to suggest that it was elements within the US establishment who were encouraging the Kuwaitis in this stance. The end result was that Iraq was provoked into military action then slapped down, disarmed and effectively discarded as a once firm US ally having outlived its usefulness.
Funny how nobody wants to open this pandoras box.:rolleyes:
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funny how those who would love to believe it can't find any evidence.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
funny how those who would love to believe it can't find any evidence.
lazs
Are you referring to WMD Lazs?
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Originally posted by Boroda
Yes, you stayed out and watched until some terrorist organisation needed your military assistance to fight police forces...
Boroda, I guess this is the kind of thing "police forces" did in your country?
Bosnian Serbs admit to massacre (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/06/12/bosnia.massacre.ap/index.html)
In July 1995, several thousand Muslims were liquidated in a way that represents grave violations of international humanitarian law," said Persic, quoting from the report. Persic is a spokesman for Paddy Ashdown, Bosnia's international administrator
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Iran wants recognition as nuclear nation (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/06/12/iran.iaea/index.html)
It's getting better.
"Iran has to be taken seriously," Kharrazi said. "Iran is powerful and has to be recognized as a responsible member of the atomic club, this is inevitable. Iran will not give up its rights to the peaceful use of atomic energy as well as its right to supply nuclear fuel to its power plants."
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Originally posted by NUKE
Iran must be very afraid about pissing off the UN.......
Well ... i dont know why do you think that Iran MUST be .... but here is reality
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3801187.stm
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Originally posted by NUKE
I say the US should vote for any resolution against Iran, including force......
Why do you say that ? Whats wrong with Iran that US should be agains it so badly ?
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Well, either way, Iran needs to be destroyed.
Whoa! You serious, hortlund?
curly
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Originally posted by Toad
Not yet, stayed tuned.
Maybe some 'corrected' terrorist report will tell us more ... what do you think ? :)
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Originally posted by Rino
I must be missing something, the only policy that France seems to have
for the middle east looks like "A mirage in every Garage!".
Maybe you could point me to the french middle east peace plan?
France have good relationships with ME. They make a lot of bussineses with them. French are very cosmopolitan, ME countries are partners for them. And thats probably why you can see mostly french cars in ME and not US's cans.
Actualy france sold some Mirages loooong time ago to SH. He moved them to Iran before US invaded Kuwait. And Iran kept them as was compenzation... Last numbers said, that Iran have around 500-600 Fighters. (Mirages, Mig's)
They also bought some S-300 as part of nuclear contract with russia.
Actualy wath Bushs mouth.... he have no balls to speak like he spoke about Afghanistan or Iraq. Today i did read on BBS that somebody mentioned some sanctions agains Iran ... it seems that blessed man, whitch know very well whats good for every one have no balls for military confrontation with non-3rd world country.
Actualy regarding iran we are talking about country whitch is considered to be Swiss of midle east.
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Has anyone considered the "biblical" aspects of this region. I mean think about it the whole region in the bible is reffered to as persion and it talks about a great invasion.
Secondly it talks about the rebuilding of babylon.....wich is in Iraq.
It also talks about an attempted invasion of Israel. I dont know but all of this activity makes all this a little scetchy for me.
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Originally posted by Boroda
At least Europeans didn't "bomb anyone to stone age" to support international drug-dealers and slave-traders.
Hello Boroda and hope you are doing well this weekend.
This event has happened several times in history. Which country, timeframe, war, or conflict are you refering to?
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Originally posted by rogwar
Hello Boroda and hope you are doing well this weekend.
This event has happened several times in history. Which country, timeframe, war, or conflict are you refering to?
i think he reffer to US- Afghanistan.
Since US vulched afhanistan, opium production raised 3x times or more.
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I meant bombing of Yugoslavia, supporting Moslim terrorists from KLA. I hope you know that Albanian gangs control about 90% of drug trading in Europe.