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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: frank3 on June 09, 2004, 08:10:09 AM
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I'm making a Consolidated PBY-5a Catalina.
The top is navy blue (or blue/grey) and the bottom is white.
The top I weathered using tape and chipp the paint off (with alluminium coat underneath it)
Chipping the white paint will be a bit useless since the metal will be hard to be visible over white so Im planning to use some darkish chalk to 'dirty-up' the bottom.
What color chalk do you suggest? Burnt metal? Black? Brown? Greyish?
Thanks alot!
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I am building the PBY5 now and I used a very thin gray black wash to bring up the engraving and to look like the surface dirt (I wiped off in the direction of the airflow).
The Navy keep things well touched up due to the salt spray was not good on aluminum so ge easy on the chipping (I did only a very small bit)remember these were flown off wate most of the time so not as much chipping as the land planes.
I am doing the gear in the up position and am having one prop turning (clear disk lightly painted, glued to hub with blades removed) and the other in the feathered position. I will be putting this up in the EAA hanger meeting room.
Remember they faded and got dirty but not much chipping IMO
Have fun
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Haha, just when I got over-excited and chipped alot!
Oh well it looks pretty good anyway...
Thanks mate
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These posts need pics!:)
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geez frank, when I saw the subject line... I thought you were dating a model:lol
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I'll post em when it's ready Debuman, in about 1 week tops.
You know nothing yet squid ;)
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Here are some previews, the quality of the pics are VERY bad because my hi-tech digital camera couldn't handle the macro zoom....
These are of my PBY-5 Catalina and B-26B under construction.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086888296_dsc00001.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086888376_dsc00004.jpg)
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086888669_dsc00012.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086888778_dsc00013.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086888816_dsc00015.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086888844_dsc00017.jpg)
Once again, sorry for the quality, blaim my camera :)
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Nice job on that bombsight and swivel machine gun! :eek: Did you "drybrush" the silver highlights to bring out the detail? Looks good!
One thing I have never been able to master is painting the fuselage and wings prior to assembly/mating. I usually reserve the painting of the major parts until the wings and fuselage have been mated, so that I can sand the seams down to match, and then paint the whole thing at one time.
I like the weathering you've done on the top wing. I just hope you don't lose some of it when you have repaint the wing after the wing is joined to the fuselage. Or do you have the ability to do small touch-up with the airbrush?
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Here are some better ones.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086890655_dsc00001.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086890710_dsc00002.jpg)
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086890940_dsc00011.jpg)
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Excellent work!
Except for this part:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/528_1086892075_68_1086890710_dsc00002.jpg)
A small dap of cement would fix that right up.
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Yeah the gap...
unfortunately, the model was from Airfix, and Airfix isn't well known for it's high quality models...the gap, along with some other manufacturer mistakes I couldn't hide...
For instance, the bottom fuselage doesn't seem to really join together.
The .50 machine guns for the waists looked awfull, so I scrap-built 2 of them.
I used 2 machine guns left over from an other modell, I cutted hundreds and hundreds of small pieces of metal wire, representing bullets and glued em onto a strap of paper representing the bullet belt
Also the waist-gunners compartiment hadn't got any detail, so I made some bulkheads, walk-path and fuselage ribs from paper.
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Originally posted by gofaster
Nice job on that bombsight and swivel machine gun! :eek: Did you "drybrush" the silver highlights to bring out the detail?
Yes, well you know how it works.
The bombsight I did with masking everything except the parts you want painted...hell who am I explaining to, guys like you give ME modellers tips :)
Originally posted by gofaster
I like the weathering you've done on the top wing. I just hope you don't lose some of it when you have repaint the wing after the wing is joined to the fuselage. Or do you have the ability to do small touch-up with the airbrush?
Well that wouldn't be a large problem, I can't really 'touch-up' with my airbrush (it's a monster :) ) But I can just spray over the messed up part and do the chipping all over again.
I first applied a coat of Alluminium, then a coat of Future to protect it against the chipping.
Then the base coat and started tearing up with tape!
Great fun btw :aok
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It's gonna look pretty realistic when ya finish it, but it's gonna look like ya rescued it from the airplane graveyard in Arizona, or somewhere.:aok
But certainly a better modelling job than I've ever done. Good job.
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Yeah well I got a little over-excited with the chipping, I never done it before and it worked fine at the first time! You can imagine how much fun that is :)
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Originally posted by frank3
Yeah the gap...
unfortunately, the model was from Airfix, and Airfix isn't well known for it's high quality models...the gap, along with some other manufacturer mistakes I couldn't hide...
For instance, the bottom fuselage doesn't seem to really join together.
I noticed that Airfix has quality issues, too. But they do make affordable kits so I'm willing to give them some leeway on quality.
For the bottom seam, one trick I've done with Airfix kits is to apply more glue to the main seam than I would normally use on another kit, so that when the two halves are pressed together a small line of glue seeps out from the joint. I let the glue dry overnight so it is real hard, and then I trim it down and sand it. The glue will fill the gaps between the two parts and when you paint it, the viewer will never see the gaps. Airfix uses a softer plastic than other manufacturers, so the excess glue will help convince the plastic to mold to itself to fill the gaps.
Even though you have already glued the fuselage together, you can still fill in that gap with glue (wipe it with your finger to level it out) and brush paint it after it is dry. Since you used flat paint, it should blend ok if you "feather" the edges real thin.
The .50 machine guns for the waists looked awfull, so I scrap-built 2 of them.
I used 2 machine guns left over from an other modell, I cutted hundreds and hundreds of small pieces of metal wire, representing bullets and glued em onto a strap of paper representing the bullet belt
That's a good idea! I'll have to remember that.
Also the waist-gunners compartiment hadn't got any detail, so I made some bulkheads, walk-path and fuselage ribs from paper.
I've used paper and I've used sheet plastic. I think the sheet plastic works better because it will join to the fuselage better. Plus, you can glue stuff onto the sheet plastic to give the bulkhead some detail. One thing I like to do is use little pieces of sprue to make fire extinguishers and oxygen tanks. I also use rod styrene to make hydraulic lines and electrical tubing.
Also, for the c-pit windscreen, add some paint along the leading edge to blend it in to the fuselage like the sides are blended in.
So far, it looks good!
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Actually I did all that.
For instance, the cockpit;
The cockpit was horrifying Airfix style....it consisted of 1 bulkhead for the floor, 2 chairs and a instrument panel with 2 steers.
I added a bulkhead behind the chairs, added wire armrest, added fire extinguishers, instrument panels alongside of the chairs, wire throttles, buttons etc.
All scratch build and it looks fairly good!
About the bottom seams, it really can't be fixed well, the upper side joins well, but the bottom seems not to, here's basically how the halfs join.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086953083_naamloos.jpg)
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Originally posted by frank3
Actually I did all that.
For instance, the cockpit;
The cockpit was horrifying Airfix style....it consisted of 1 bulkhead for the floor, 2 chairs and a instrument panel with 2 steers.
I added a bulkhead behind the chairs, added wire armrest, added fire extinguishers, instrument panels alongside of the chairs, wire throttles, buttons etc.
All scratch build and it looks fairly good!
Sounds good! I do the same thing with a couple of Me109 cockpits I'm building - adding throttle quadrants, radio boxes, fuseboxes, sometimes even dashboards. The Airfix Me109G is really just an older MPC 109 kit, and it is kind of crappy. Heller did a better job with its 109 kits and they cost about the same as Airfix, but they don't have much of an interior either.
About the bottom seams, it really can't be fixed well, the upper side joins well, but the bottom seems not to, here's basically how the halfs join.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086953083_naamloos.jpg)
Yeah, that looks alot like the Airfix 109 kits I've built! ;) I end up losing a lot of detail on the bottom as a result. The seam can be fixed, but it takes a lot of filler and sanding to do it. I guess for the PBY, you can leave it since those planes sit so low to the ground anyway.
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Yeah, Im not planning to do anything about that anyway, it's hardly visible.
I've weathered the white parts, I found they were way too white :)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/68_1086964051_dsc00001.jpg)
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What did you use for the weathering? Thinned brown or off-white?
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I used brown chalk.
Rasp some chalk with a knive, put it in a small container with a tiny bit of water and dishwasher, paint it on, wait a minute or two and whipe it off with a damp tissue.
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I've used the "Smoke" paint from Tamiya thinned down with a lot of thinner to create the same type of effects before.
I liked the ideas for the paint chipping techniques!
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Do you guys actually paint or do you use an airbrush like me. Cause if you do paint, thats some awesome work there frank!
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I use paint (or spray paint), but my models are usually 1/72 fighters so I can get away with it.