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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: TheDudeDVant on June 09, 2004, 09:34:03 AM
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Is there such a thing as the "Congressional Badge of Galantry"?? I prolly misspelled something there..
Second question: Has anyone ever heard, known, or read of someone turning down the Congressional Medal of Honor??
Third: What was a 'normal' tour in Vietnam? What would be some of the reasons for one only serving 10months?
thanks in advance!
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The congressional medal of honor is awarded, among other things, 'For conspicuous gallantry '. Maybe that's what the person was talking about?
According to this link, a gentleman in WWII turned it down: http://www.thebatt.com/news/2002/04/04/FrontPage/Author.Recalls.Experience.Of.War.With.Rudders.Rangers-517545.shtml
The normal tour of duty in Vietnam was 12 months, excepting 13 months for the Marines.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Is there such a thing as the "Congressional Badge of Galantry"?? I prolly misspelled something there..
Second question: Has anyone ever heard, known, or read of someone turning down the Congressional Medal of Honor??
Third: What was a 'normal' tour in Vietnam? What would be some of the reasons for one only serving 10months?
thanks in advance!
On the Vietnam question I believe it was practice that whilst non coms and grunts served 12 months officers served 6 months.
This was done to allow the largest number of officers to pass through Vietnam and tick the "Served in active theatre" box on their resume so allowing them to pursue their career.
I've read about the above many times but am not sure if it was practiced by the Marines - I would be interested if any actual Vietnam vets could clarify if it was true.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
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The congressional medal of honor is awarded, among other things, 'For conspicuous gallantry '. Maybe that's what the person was talking about?
According to this link, a gentleman in WWII turned it down: http://www.thebatt.com/news/2002/04/04/FrontPage/Author.Recalls.Experience.Of.War.With.Rudders.Rangers-517545.shtml
The normal tour of duty in Vietnam was 12 months, excepting 13 months for the Marines.
Dude made a point of saying fewer of these Congressional badge of galantry awards are given then the CMH... He said he turn down the CMH... also said he served 10months in vietnam before recieving this award and turning rejecting the CMH.....
So we have never heard of the Award call the "congressional Badge of Galantry'??
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Third: What was a 'normal' tour in Vietnam? What would be some of the reasons for one only serving 10months?
Wounds, either leaving you unfit for duty or 3 combat wounds giving you the option to come back early (I think it was 3, maybe 4. this came up a couple weeks ago, as it was why Kerry ended his tour early)
Hardship, for family emergency's and such.
are a couple of reasons why someone might come back early.
I've never heard of the "Congressional Badge of Galantry"
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13 months was the normal tour of duty for U.S. Army and USMC in Vietnam for commissioned officers and enlisted personnel. USAF rotated at different intervals because some duty stations were not in-country (i.e. Thailand, Guam etc.) Blue water USN, and carrier deployments varied but many were 7-8 month deployments.
To _Schadenfreude_: I saw more than a few field grade U.S. Army officers (O-4 and above) being relieved of command (many by General DePuy - 'The Firing General'), but they would be reassigned to some support function in-country. I never saw, nor heard of the ticket punching you're talking about. I don't doubt that here may have been a handful of O-6's who did it in the quest to make general officer, but junior officers? No way. They couldn't push them through OCS fast enough and into the field.
The very last troops left in 1975, but the start of 'Vietnamization' of the war (returning to training and joint ops w/ RVN troops) in 1971 saw the mass exodus begin. By December, 1974 most units had rotated home. Many of those sent in 1971 - 1972 did not complete a full 13 month tour because their unit rotated out.
The biggest reason for a shortened tour? For every man killed in action, another 7- 9 were wounded.
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Is there such a thing as the "Congressional Badge of Galantry"?? I prolly misspelled something there..
http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RS20884.pdf
Doesn't appear to be.
h
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Does recieving $4700/month from the government sound right for a vietnam vet??
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Straight retirement pay, he's need to have retired as a Brigadier General according to these charts:
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/pay/bl2004officerretire.htm
Google is good for you.
h
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my father has a service related disability(100%) and 22 years of service, he doesn't get that much.
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Once there, Edlin forced the general to surrender by putting a grenade to his stomach and threatening to detonate it. The general surrended after Edlin gave him a count to three, and 815 German soldiers came out.
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Today he would be accused of abuse.
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Originally posted by Horn
Straight retirement pay, he's need to have retired as a Brigadier General according to these charts:
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/pay/bl2004officerretire.htm
Google is good for you.
h
I know google is a good thing Horn, but you guys are so smart! With so many military and ex-military folk here, I thought I could get the info from a good source!
Thanks for all the input folks! I thought the guy sounded like he was full of chit. What kinda military person would turn down the CMH??
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There is a unit citation called "Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross"
This may be what the confusion is about.
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Originally posted by Horn
You must be lost?
h
O really. so when the commander fired his side arm near the Iraqi prisoners' ear, what happend to him?
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Originally posted by JBA
O really. so when the commander fired his side arm near the Iraqi prisoners' ear, what happend to him?
Heh, no, I just didn't know wtf you were on about until I read the link above referencing the fella that turned down the MoH.
h
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Once again, there is no such thing as the "Congressional" Medal of Honor, it's a misnomer. The name of the award is simply the Medal of Honor.
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/moh1.htm
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Once again, there is no such thing as the "Congressional" Medal of Honor, it's a misnomer. The name of the award is simply the Medal of Honor.
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/moh1.htm
Pardon my ignorance.. Apparently I missed the first time you mentioned this.. Thanks for the information.. :)
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Pardon my ignorance.. Apparently I missed the first time you mentioned this.. Thanks for the information.. :)
My apologies for being rude. The issue comes up from time to time, and in my arrogence I forget that new people are always joining the board.