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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rogwar on June 10, 2004, 01:17:03 PM
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Interesting...
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040610/people_nm/france_bardot_dc_3
I don't agree with what she is saying but rather found it interesting the concept of being found guilty of a crime for such activity.
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ROFL, the 1st words I read were "Brigitte Bardot", I need not read more :rofl
PS: read it... BB is married to one of the big right Wing (FN) in the south of France and a well known racsist. I'd slap her if I had the chance.
That being said, try to live amongst muslims every day puts things in perspective, most people here have known muslims prior to 91, and we DO make the difference between a culture and terrorists. (the population of muslim countries immigrant is pretty high in France, Germany, Belgium, Holland, UK, ... just about what yours would be with South Americans immigrants)
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I guess all that armpit hair's making her irritable...she sounds almost Ann Coulter-ish, with a bit more of the wit and charm Ann never had...:lol
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To make a good portrait of her imagine she is a fervent/fanatic defensor of animal's right (for her an animal has more right than a human) ...
Let me recount a little story
once upon of time her neightbour had a male donkey that tried to fornicate with her female donkey (the donkey was smart he didn't try to do her ...)
No problem for "Madame" Bardot she called a veterinarian to emasculate the poor donkey ...
Do you still think she can still be seen as respectable ?
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Great, we can all agree she is an idiot. But fining her for speaking her (no to sharp) mind?
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Apparently there is no freedom of speech in France. At least not what we consider it to be here in the US. PC seems to be law there.
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Waddaya know!!! the nut jobs are critisizing the nut jobs!!! those zany french people.
:rofl
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Americans have to remember that our concept of fredom of speech is based on our laws. It is not a universal law. Other countries have set different laws and so different definitions of freedom of speech.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Americans have to remember that our concept of fredom of speech is based on our laws. Other countries have set different laws and so different definitions of freedom of speech.
We are making a comparison here. In America you are free to say or write just about anything you want provided you don't incite a riot, threaten physical violence, or libel/slander someone.
To fine someone $6000 in the US for writing a book about Muslims taking over the country would be considered absolute tyranny by most.
Imagine if Michael Moore were French and had focused the criticism of Fahrenheit 9/11 on France instead. He would have been heavily fined instead of presented some worthless award.
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Originally posted by AKIron
We are making a comparison here. In America you are free to say or write just about anything you want provided you don't incite a riot, threaten physical violence, or libel/slander someone.
To fine someone $6000 in the US for writing a book about Muslims taking over the country would be considered absolute tyranny by most.
If a $6,000 fine on prohibited speech is "absolute tryranny" how would you describe a $1,750,000 fine?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/09/fcc.clearchannel.ap/index.html
Just different laws, I'd prefer more free speech all round myself...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If a $6,000 fine on prohibited speech is "absolute tryranny" how would you describe a $1,750,000 fine?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/09/fcc.clearchannel.ap/index.html
Just different laws, I'd prefer more free speech all round myself...
For me it would be described as unpayable. ;) See my edit on Moore.
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Michael Moore is brilliant!
my 2 cents.
Ravs
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Originally posted by Saintaw
South Americans immigrants)
should be Latin American immigrants.
North America = Canada, USA, and Mexico
Central America = El Salvador, Belize (sometimes refered to as more Carribean), Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Panama
South America = Colombia, Venezuela, Peru, Ecuador, Chile, Bolivia, Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, etc...
While I don't have the statistics available at the moment I'm sure that Mexico is number 1 in terms of illegal and maybe even legal immigration from the countries listed above.
Let this not be a topic on immigration. Don't want to hijack my own thread...lol. I just returned from Brazil yesterday morning (all night flight) and I sure miss the women. Now if someone wants to hijack my thread into a topic relating to Brazilian women, that's OK by me.
I've been around and Brazil is awesome. I believe I've got over 50 trips there by now. It was a work related trip but I stayed over in Rio and spent my 39th b-day there last Monday.
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Originally posted by ravells
Michael Moore is brilliant!
my 2 cents.
Ravs
If you think that then you are retarded. The man is a cheap liar who feeds his audiences exactly that which reeinforces their prejudices, tells them what they want to hear, want to belive, and most of all what they want to and desperately need to fear.
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rogwar...you do realise that if you jack your own thread, Nash will give you a prize?
Ravs
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If you think that then you are retarded. The man is a cheap liar who feeds his audiences exactly that which reeinforces their prejudices, tells them what they want to hear, want to belive, and most of all want to and desperately need to fear.
Actually he talks about people living in needless fear.
You should listen /watch more of his stuff, Grun. Even if you don't agree with it, it has a ring of truth.
Ravs
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I have seen all of his movies. They are very funny, but moreso very abusive, exploitative, meanspirited and untruthful...
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Originally posted by ravells
Even if you don't agree with it, it has a ring of truth.
Ravs
As do all of the better lies.
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Originally posted by ravells
rogwar...you do realise that if you jack your own thread, Nash will give you a prize?
Ravs
I've flown with Nash many times in the past and would be glad to show him Rio anytime :)
I don't fly anymore though online. Maybe I'll start back when it becomes really fun again. Watching AHII develop at the moment.
Nash: I've got over a half million miles with American Airlines and you have an open ticket anytime. Don't want to be a bad influence though :cool:
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What has he lied about?
Ravs
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rogwar
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Originally posted by ravells
What has he lied about?
Ravs
I know little about his most current work, however, I watched some of his Bowling drama and found it to be incredible, completely.
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Originally posted by ravells
What has he lied about?
Ravs
See Bowling for Culumbine. THe whole "documentary" is basically a lie. For example remember the visit to the "nuclear missle" factory in Littleton colorado? Well that place does no such thing. THey actually convert old cold war missle bodies to use as peaceful satelite launchers... ut thats not good for Mr Moore's agenda. No. They have to be building nuclear missles because he he thinks its a clever connection he can make with the Columbine school shootings. You see the parents build nuclear missles and the kids kill other kids. Cause and effect..
Except of course nobody builds nuclear missles there, they destroy them and turn them into peaceful satelite launchers like I said above...
So thats one of the many many outright lies..
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Originally posted by ravells
rogwar
I should admit that I'm for the Villians...
I just felt like you ought to know. :aok
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mmmmmmmmmmmm.... I'll research that and get back to you, Gunz.
Ravs
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rgr Rogwar, that is what I meant to say :)
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Best thing Micheal Moore ever did was Canadian Bacon. Now that was good.
His other stuff is well done. I liked "Roger and Me" but could sense his aim.
The other genera is more of the same, rather avant-garde.
In my opinion, he is nothing but some fat peter pumper, nonetheless quite intelligent, with a brilliant flare for producing market demand by creating contraversy.
Granted, if one wanted to display a subject really interesting, why not take a deep look into the whole Saudi Royal Family in a similar manner. Wonder if that might fly?
Do I like him or the films nowadays? No. Would I battle (kill people) to protect his right to make those films? Yes.
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Originally posted by ravells
Michael Moore is brilliant!
my 2 cents.
Ravs
That statement strikes me as........consistent.
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Grun, regarding Clear Channel's FCC fine. Stern could have written a book or said on HBO any of those things he did say without any trouble from the FCC. There is a proper avenue for adult speech and it isn't broadcast radio or tv as determined by the American people.
Pornography, as many claim is Stern's speech, has been determined by Americans to be unsuitable for children. The public airways have been reserved for all ages.
Could Bardot have published her book in any arena in France without government censorship?
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Why thank you!
Ravs
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Originally posted by AKIron
Grun, regarding Clear Channel's FCC fine. Stern could have written a book or said on HBO any of those things he did say without any trouble from the FCC. There is a proper avenue for adult speech and it isn't broadcast radio or tv as determined by the American people.
Pornography, as many claim is Stern's speech, has been determined by Americans to be unsuitable for children. The public airways have been reserved for all ages.
Could Bardot have published her book in any arena in France without government censorship?
The french people detrmined that books are not the place for such offensive speech...
Howard Stern was fined for violating government impsed and enforced regulations on speech.
Bridget Bardod was fined for violating government imposed and enforced regulations on speech.
BTW next time you watch a movie on TBS or one of those channels notice how they cut out bad words or dub them out with something else. But they leave in all soirts of explicit violence and violent language..
You get evil innapropriate conversations like this...
I blews his FKNG head off and watermelon down his throat.
Turned into wholesome family friendly soundbites like this...
I blew his FAT head off and lloked down his throat...
NO MORE BAD WORDS!!! YEA!!
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The french people detrmined that books are not the place for such offensive speech...
I suspect they have determined there is no place at all for anti-France sentiment. They seem to have plenty of room for anti-America books and movies though. To answer the question posed in the subject, no, by US standards there is no freedom of speech in France.
Wasn't the number one seller in France a book about how the 9/11 attack on the US was a US conspiracy?
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Originally posted by AKIron
To answer the question posed in the subject, no, by US standards there is no freedom of speech in France.
Thank you my fellow Texan ;)
Knew I always liked the AKs!
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You texans should like the French....they're the only foreign country that's ever helped you.
Ravs
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Rog :D
Ravs, it's hard to like someone that tries so hard to dislike you.
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But I like you.......and that wasn't so hard
Ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
But I like you.......and that wasn't so hard
Ravs
That's just the booze talking. Tomorrow you may hate everyone. ;)
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Originally posted by AKIron
Apparently there is no freedom of speech in France. At least not what we consider it to be here in the US. PC seems to be law there.
There is freedom of speech , she did speak ,but you're not free to break the laws.
Accountability is the key word.
She wrote also about the purety of the race ,does it ring a bell ?
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Originally posted by straffo
There is freedom of speech , she did speak ,but you're not free to break the laws.
Accountability is the key word.
She wrote also about the purety of the race ,does it ring a bell ?
Sure it rings a bell. However, folks here are free to talk and write about it all they want. Free dialog and not repression is one of the best cures for ignorance and bigotry, imo.
Off to bed, night all.
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Originally posted by ravells
You texans should like the French....they're the only foreign country that's ever helped you.
Ravs
Which part of the history of Texas? France played a part at various times in terms of colonisation along with other countries.
I'm fairly well read on the war for independence of Texas and had family that fought in the same. From immediate memory I cannot recall much, if any, help that France provided during the time of our greatest need.
I'll have to check the history books tomorrow. History is a little hobby of mine. If I'm missing something I would like to know. History is open for debate because the writers of such are usually more or less interpreters.
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Originally posted by AKIron
There is a proper avenue for adult speech and it isn't broadcast radio or tv as determined by the American people.
No, it was determined by administrative fiat of Bush appointees.
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HOWARD STERN CAN'T HAVE A FREE SPEECH RADIO SHOW IN THE USA. HIS COMPANY WAS FINED 1.75 MILLION DOLLARS FOR VIOLATING FREE SPEECH RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE US GOVERNMENT.
WHICH PART OF THAT IS NOT MAKING IT THROUGH TO YOUR BRAIN?
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I thought the Frech were really big southern supporters in the war of Independace. Sending supplies and stuff to the south.
Ravs
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Originally posted by AKIron
That's just the booze talking. Tomorrow you may hate everyone. ;)
I know I'm getting hammered, but for a good cause, National Potato Day.
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As you can tell, I'm no expert
ravs
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I'm already hammered.
ravs
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Ravells I find your avatar highly offensive, please pick another one.
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Originally posted by ravells
I thought the Frech were really big southern supporters in the war of Independace. Sending supplies and stuff to the south.
Ravs
Different war maybe...French helped in the Revolutionary War and later to some smaller extentent in the Civil War. The exact details are not available at my fingertips at the moment....and as well it's late. Don't know about the War of 1812, but now plan to go learn about that one better. Found a new history topic to explore! Thanks Ravells :)
Have time to read during my travels...
War of the Independence of Texas is a whole other football match. Texas was an independent country, a Republic, for 11 years, after gaining its independence from Mexico. In my opinion it's some very colorful and fascinating history. You have to read a lot of sources though because there are at least two sides to every history...particularly when it deals with such topics.
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Oh well who cares?
God I hate flying..........have you got any tips?
ravs
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Originally posted by ravells
I thought the Frech were really big southern supporters in the war of Independace. Sending supplies and stuff to the south.
Ravs
I think the French have always been in favor of whatever they perceive as being detrimental to the United States. It seems that the more the United States does for France (which has historically been a lot) the more resentful they are of us. The French are like a spoiled teen and we are the affluent, doting parent. I think the French need an American administered buttwhipping. Open up a fresh can of whoopass on them. Bill O'Reilly is offering a "Boycott France The Spin Stops Here" bumper sticker. You may preview his site at billorielly@foxnews.com this is also a great place to offer up your supportive comments for the only non biased news outlet in the world. Thank you God for Rupert Murdoch, Thank you God for Bill O'Rielly.
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Originally posted by ravells
Oh well who cares?
God I hate flying..........have you got any tips?
ravs
8 hours bottle to throttle...if you are the pilot.
Commercial flight...don't make any jokes about explosives. Get on board, sit down, be quiet, sleep some, arrive nicely, disembark, collect baggage.
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Originally posted by ravells
Oh well who cares?
God I hate flying..........have you got any tips?
ravs
Where are you flying to?
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Athens.
Bloody terrorist playground
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Originally posted by storch
I think the French have always been in favor of whatever they perceive as being detrimental to the United States. It seems that the more the United States does for France (which has historically been a lot) the more resentful they are of us. The French are like a spoiled teen and we are the affluent, doting parent. I think the French need an American administered buttwhipping. Open up a fresh can of whoopass on them. Bill O'Reilly is offering a "Boycott France The Spin Stops Here" bumper sticker. You may preview his site at billorielly@foxnews.com this is also a great place to offer up your supportive comments for the only non biased news outlet in the world. Thank you God for Rupert Murdoch, Thank you God for Bill O'Rielly.
the hook was nicely setup but the part I highlighted make it smell a bit rotten :rofl
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Well calm down rav you will be OK! :)
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I work in Aviation insurance....I know how planes crash.
It's what I do for a living.
I know (logically) that's it's the safest form of transport, but it just scares me to death. But if I'm in the cockpit, I'm fine.
oh shreck it....... at least I wont have Saw on my six.
Ravs
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Well calm down rav you will be OK! :)
or don't it's amusing to see an agnostic squirm.
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Originally posted by straffo
the hook was nicely setup but the part I highlighted make it smell a bit rotten :rofl
The day is young straffo
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Originally posted by straffo
the hook was nicely setup but the part I highlighted make it smell a bit rotten :rofl
We have to pull out the quality stink stuff!
(http://www.sbac.edu/~tpl/clipart/Photos/Eiffel%20Tower.jpg)
(http://www.game-revolution.com/chatter/mailbag/hitler.jpg)
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Well bloody Fine Storch.
If I get there before you, you can bet I won't be puttining any good words on your behalf!
Actually......taking this beyond the point of panic is actuallly making me feel better...
thanks guys!
Ravs
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Actually your not to far from truth Grun :)
Gustave Eiffel was from German (Rhenan) origin his complete name was :Gustave Boenickhausen he changed his name to Eiffel (his home region) because there is no way to pronounce "Boenickhausen" without puking :p
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Speaking of the Eiffel Tower and aviation,
(http://www.maccpu.com/images/eiffel.gif)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ HOWARD STERN CAN'T HAVE A FREE SPEECH RADIO SHOW IN THE USA. HIS COMPANY WAS FINED 1.75 MILLION DOLLARS FOR VIOLATING FREE SPEECH RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE US GOVERNMENT.
Why hasn't Opra (and many, many others) been fined for violating the same restrictions? Enforcement is totally arbitrary, based on politics.
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Originally posted by Montezuma
No, it was determined by administrative fiat of Bush appointees.
regarding an afternoon broadcast of George Carlin's "7 dirty Words" --USSC agrees with FCC July 3, 1978"The FCC characterized the language of the monologue as "patently offensive," though not necessarily obscene, and expressed the opinion that it should be regulated by principles analogous to the law of nuisance, where the "law generally speaks to channeling behavior, rather than actually prohibiting it." The FCC found that certain words in the monologue depicted sexual and excretory activities in a particularly offensive manner, noted that they were broadcast in the early afternoon, "when children are undoubtedly in the audience," and concluded that the language, as broadcast, was indecent and prohibited by § 1464.
Did Bush appointees determine this one as well?
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Trust me Ravs... if you'd seen my "flying" lately... the only thing i could catch up with would be a slow passenger plane with a drunken pilot :lol
Now that you've declared your luv to that redneck iron, I'm affraid i have no other choice to hunt you down.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
HOWARD STERN CAN'T HAVE A FREE SPEECH RADIO SHOW IN THE USA. HIS COMPANY WAS FINED 1.75 MILLION DOLLARS FOR VIOLATING FREE SPEECH RESTRICTIONS IMPOSED BY THE US GOVERNMENT.
WHICH PART OF THAT IS NOT MAKING IT THROUGH TO YOUR BRAIN?
Free speech doesn't mean you have the right be vulgar or pornographic over the public airways. It does mean that you have the right to express or discuss whatever ideaology may strike your fancy. The latter is what has been denied in France. No need to get all indignant about it, caps only weaken your argument.
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Originally posted by straffo
To make a good portrait of her imagine she is a fervent/fanatic defensor of animal's right (for her an animal has more right than a human) ...
Let me recount a little story
once upon of time her neightbour had a male donkey that tried to fornicate with her female donkey (the donkey was smart he didn't try to do her ...)
No problem for "Madame" Bardot she called a veterinarian to emasculate the poor donkey ...
Do you still think she can still be seen as respectable ?
I dont know if this shows a double standard, but it certainly shows where the true hate is being directed.
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About three months ago, the French Jewish (it is unfortunately important to mention her religion) singer Shirel was performing at a gala attended by, among others, France’s First Lady Mrs. Bernadette Chirac. Upon entering the stage and during her song, Shirel was welcomed by young Muslims sitting in the first rows yelling, “Dirty Jew. Death to the Jews. We’ll kill you.”
If this were not disgusting enough, the loud silence of Mrs Chirac speaks volumes about the condition of French Jews today. It is not then surprising that recent Court decisions confirm this increasing trend of official hostility to Jews.
Two judicial cases vividly symbolize this trend.
First: during a very popular program on State TV, on December 1, 2003, a famous stand-up comedian called Dieudonne decided it was time for a virulent anti-Semitic act. He came on stage disguised as a religious Jew wearing Army fatigues, saluting the Nazi way, and yelling ” Israel, Heil “. He was then, of course, sued, because France has tough laws, perhaps a vestigial remnant of an earlier era, against anti-Semitism.
But last week the verdict came in: ACQUITTED!
Second: a young Jewish kid was regularly beaten-up and insulted inside his school for months, by two Arab kids employing the ever so common epithet nowadays: ”Dirty Jew.” The two aggressors never denied the facts, and were expelled.
But in response, the two miscreants filed a lawsuit against the school.
And last week, the verdict came in, stunning those French citizens with residual decency once more. The Paris tribunal condemned the school, ordering it to reinstate the two Muslim kids, and pay each of their families 1,000 Euros (around 1,200 USD).
In another similar incident, Muslim students persecuted a young Jewish girl at school.
Her family sued the oppressors, and, in the bizarre world of French justice, got condemned to pay a fine of 4,000 Euros (about 5,000 USD). So, they decided to appeal the decision and the Court of Appeals deemed that a 8,000 Euros (about 10,000 USD) fine was more appropriate.
Being a Jewish victim turns out to be very costly in France: not only physically and morally, but also financially. Perpetrating anti-Semitic acts, on the other hand, can be very lucrative. So, what kind of message does this send?
Obviously, if you attack Jews or insult them, you are the victim and you get financial reward. In this environment, anti-Semitism in France is not going away. Quite the opposite.
Most often, French justice simply releases the culprits, rather than rewarding them – at least so far. A few months ago, at an ice rink in the Paris suburb of Boulogne, a group of Muslim teenagers beat up a Jewish kid. The police arrested them, but the judge decided to release them, ordering one of them, a 14 year-old, to write an essay about anti-Semitism. What a severe sentence!!!
Unfortunately, this is for real. Last week, Boulogne’s rabbi’s son was ambushed leaving his home by five Muslim teenagers, who attacked him very violently. A few days later, they were caught. Unsurprisingly, this same 14- year old from the previous incident was among them. Once again, the judge released the suspects right away…
Finally, regarding the young Jewish student, Israel Ifrah, who was stabbed last Friday in Paris by a Muslim aggressor yelling “Allah Akhbar” (“God is great” in Arabic), the excellent newsmagazine Proche-Orient.info reported that while at the hospital his family was spit-upon by two Arabs. Even though there were a lot of people around, nobody moved or said anything.
France is now the country of the cycle of silence: from the President’s wife to the common Frenchman.
The young Israeli’s father, deciding he had enough of France, went to the US Embassy in Paris to ask for political asylum.
Alain Finkielkraut, one of the leading French philosophers, interviewed on June 7, 2004 by the radio station RTL declared that: “The pogrom for the Jews” appears today in France like a possible future.”
There might come a time not far distant where French Jews might have no choice but to leave the country of their birth, in search of liberty, equality, and fraternity.
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grun... I believe you are wrong on this one.
stern was in violation of FCC doctrine that he sighned on for by being a broadcaster on OPEN airwaves... there is nothing that he does that he could not say on pay for radio like satalite and cable TV.
The same rules apply for TV that is open to the public and all ages of audience. the premis is that on pay per view or listen... you have to pay to hear or see it and therefore are well aware of what you might see or hear. On the radio... the FCC controls the free airwaves and each person who wishes to broadcast needs to abide by their rules which are pretty bland (depending) based on the fact that anyone could tune in accidentaly and be offended. Just as cursing or saying whatever you want at a night club is different than doing it from a soapbox in the park.
I can't believe you can't see the difference...
Stern strikes me as a whiny crybaby in this... he knows that he is making his fortune by simply being a potty mouth and pushing the edges and that he would just be another semi tallented hack on pay venues with a lot of competition...
What he does is exploit. he got caught and now he will pay. It has nothing at all to do with free speech since he made the agreement to not offend if he wanted to use the regulated airwaves. He is far from a picked on martyr with anything useful to say. His endless whining about it is allmost as offensive as his narcisism and the sickening fawning of his staff.
lazs
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Originally posted by straffo
To make a good portrait of her imagine she is a fervent/fanatic defensor of animal's right (for her an animal has more right than a human) ...
Let me recount a little story
once upon of time her neightbour had a male donkey that tried to fornicate with her female donkey (the donkey was smart he didn't try to do her ...)
No problem for "Madame" Bardot she called a veterinarian to emasculate the poor donkey ...
Do you still think she can still be seen as respectable ?
i dont care about animals much... but it would be nice to put mandatory that only emasculated humans can own emasculated animals.
hang her
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Trust me Ravs... if you'd seen my "flying" lately... the only thing i could catch up with would be a slow passenger plane with a drunken pilot :lol
he speak true in this matter
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nothing like unbiased cut'n paste Krusher :)
the excellent newsmagazine Proche-Orient.info
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by AKIron
Rog :D
Ravs, it's hard to like someone that tries so hard to dislike you.
Ever been to France? The Parisians are who hate Americans the most. Once you get out of Paris the people are friendly, courteous, and helpful.
I cannot blame most of Eurpe for not liking Americans. If you would just watch how our people act while in someone's elses home, you would hate us too.
Sorry for the hijack, carry on.
EDIT: By the way, if you open your mouth and cause someone anguish, discomfort, embarressment or any type of extreme emotional trauma, you could find yourself on the other end of a civil suit here.
Freedom of speech is limited everywhere you go. If not by law, it is by actions.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Ever been to France? The Parisians are who hate Americans the most. Once you get out of Paris the people are friendly, courteous, and helpful.
I cannot blame most of Eurpe for not liking Americans. If you would just watch how our people act while in someone's elses home, you would hate us too.
Sorry for the hijack, carry on.
There ya have it. I haven't been to France or Europe for that matter. My only knowledge of how the French regard Americans is how they have attempted to thwart our global efforts. However, I did spend 7 years in the far east along with many thousands of other Americans and I did not observe any hatred for Americans there. Maybe the Americans there were better behaved?
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Skuzzy I should add the Parisians hate the other French and likely hate themselves ...
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You know straffo, that is quite true. I do keep forgetting that.
I am looking to our next visit there. I think we will head North this time. Last time we went South.
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North,North-east or North-West ?
A place you should consider IMO is the Loire Valley (but I'm more than biased ... being in love with this region since 20 years :))
<= born in Paris ,lived 14 year in , happy to not being Parisian anymore :)
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Loire Valley eh? They have a good B&B there? We prefer the B&B's in Europe. Always nice to get to meet people that live there.
Is it touristy? We tend to avoid the tourist places.
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It rains in the north skuzzy, and WORSE, I think Straffo is located somewhere there :D
Go to the deep south, the only civilised french live where the sun is shining..(except for Straffo, but am working on it !)
Please Skuzz, if you come back to Yurop (especialy a place as close as France) let me know, I'll gladly buy you a beer (or two)!
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Rain is no concern for me and the wife.
And you're on for the beer.
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I'm on for the wine ;)
Seriously Saw is wrong about rain in the Loire Valley it don't compare to britanny or Belgium :)
There just enought rain to make wine.
Loire Valley is touristic , there is a lot of old (and superb) castle ,food and wine are renowned and climate is pretty temperate even during hoit summer (like the one we go last year)
It's far less touristic and crowded than south places like Nice,Cannes or any mediterranean place.
Personnally I will start a visit here (http://www.tourisme-touraine.com/) and next continue the trip to the coast (http://www.westernloire.com/)
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If you think that then you are retarded. The man is a cheap liar who feeds his audiences exactly that which reeinforces their prejudices, tells them what they want to hear, want to belive, and most of all what they want to and desperately need to fear.
Damn Grun, that's the definition of a politician. :)
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Damn Grun, that's the definition of a politician. :)
curly
Yes. That's a big reason why I don't vote. :(
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Lazs,
To me the difference between pornographic, impolite, outrageous and political thought is nil. It is all speech. The same human instinctints that encurage the ban on use of crude words like Howard Stern speaks are the ones which lead other people to ban the use of words or concepts that others, perhaps like you and me would like to use. In other words I am talking about Political Correctness - which when you get down to it is only people using their collective influence to restrict the speech sof others that they percieve to be offensaive, inappropriate or otherwise harmful.
There is nothing in this that says you have to be proper in your speech.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "
If people dont want to listen to Howard Stern they should simply change the station.
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grun... I am sure that you would find local laws that prohibit an adult from talking filthy to children?
The FCC governs the FREE PUBLIC airwaves. stern signed on to their rules and now he is cryuing foul. He is simply a lazy no talent who can't make it unless he can get an audience who doesn't pay to hear him. He can say anthing he wants so long as he doesn'[t spew filth at children or anyone who happens to tune into him by accident.
He may say whatever he likes on cable radio too but.... he may be restricted by the owners of the satalite station.
We are the public and we are restricting him from what words he can say on public radio.
he is a low talent crybaby who can't make it with competition. his fawning staff is feeding his narsism and paranoia.
In short... we are the public and we set rules as to what can be said on public airwaves... we set the same standards on television but allow anything goes on cable pay per view.
He is not lenny bruce fighting the good fight.. lenny bruce spoke in a nightclub with paying customers who kenw what to expect.
you don't have children but you sure don't want to have the airwaves ruled by the likes of stern when you are in a car full of children flipping through the stations.
lazs
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Yes. That's a big reason why I don't vote. :(
If you don't vote then you shouldn't involve yourself in political discussions.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
If people dont want to listen to Howard Stern they should simply change the station.
Are you aware that Howard Stern would not allow his own children to listen to his show?
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think of it this way grun... if you want to curse and spew... then all you have to do is make sure that your audience is adult and that they are aware of what you are doing.
If stern wants to play potty mouth then all he has to do is.... change stations.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
We are the public and we are restricting him from what words he can say on public radio.
But Oprah and many others have said things on the public airwaves that are just as bad or worse. Soap Operas are sex drenched and on in the afternoon when children could watch.
Why hasn't the FCC gone after them? Becauase enforcement of this law has become a political calculation.
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Originally posted by Montezuma
But Oprah and many others have said things on the public airwaves that are just as bad or worse. Soap Operas are sex drenched and on in the afternoon when children could watch.
Why hasn't the FCC gone after them? Becauase enforcement of this law has become a political calculation.
Soap operas aren't explicit, dunno about Oprah. How is it political to go after Stern and not Oprah?
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Originally posted by storch
Are you aware that Howard Stern would not allow his own children to listen to his show?
Good for him!
That is his right..
But I dont need the federal government to act as my parents...
Hello! Where have all the individual liberty and responsibility conservatives gone?
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Originally posted by lazs2
grun... I am sure that you would find local laws that prohibit an adult from talking filthy to children?
The FCC governs the FREE PUBLIC airwaves. stern signed on to their rules and now he is cryuing foul. He is simply a lazy no talent who can't make it unless he can get an audience who doesn't pay to hear him. He can say anthing he wants so long as he doesn'[t spew filth at children or anyone who happens to tune into him by accident.
He may say whatever he likes on cable radio too but.... he may be restricted by the owners of the satalite station.
We are the public and we are restricting him from what words he can say on public radio.
he is a low talent crybaby who can't make it with competition. his fawning staff is feeding his narsism and paranoia.
In short... we are the public and we set rules as to what can be said on public airwaves... we set the same standards on television but allow anything goes on cable pay per view.
He is not lenny bruce fighting the good fight.. lenny bruce spoke in a nightclub with paying customers who kenw what to expect.
you don't have children but you sure don't want to have the airwaves ruled by the likes of stern when you are in a car full of children flipping through the stations.
lazs
Who cares if he is untalented. The 1st amemdement does not mention talent as a prerequisite for speech rights...
And you sday that public radio is censored, well thats fine too, our citizens have made those laws - even if I disagree. But then we we shouldnt turn around and make threads saying how we feel France is bad because they made laws that restrict free speech, because we do it too.
And thats coming from the #1 French basher on the BBS...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Who cares if he is untalented. The 1st amemdement does not mention talent as a prerequisite for speech rights...
And you sday that public radio is censored, well thats fine too, our citizens have made those laws - even if I disagree. But then we we shouldnt turn around and make threads saying how we feel France is bad because they made laws that restrict free speech, because we do it too.
And thats coming from the #1 French basher on the BBS...
Ok, who ever put the quarter in this kid please hit the return change lever.
If I thought he was trolling it would be cool but I think he means it!
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you miss the point grun... you don't vote yet you complain that public standards are as they are in the FCC...
The fact that stern is untalented has nothing to do with it except that because he is so untalented he has to push the edge of the smut envelope on REGULATED airwaves.... If he had talent then he could compete in either the public airwaves avoiding smut and staying within the rules or.... compete as a smut boy against other talented smut boys.
He can voice any opinion he wants tho so long as he stays within the language laws of the FCC... He often has a KKK member on spouting his views and has never been censored for his political views... that is far different than the french example.
lazs
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Good for him!
That is his right..
But I dont need the federal government to act as my parents...
Hello! Where have all the individual liberty and responsibility conservatives gone?
Right here Grun. Some of us view the public airways the same as public streets. We don't allow sex or profanity in the streets either. Neither is prohibited, just can't be done in public streets. Now cable or books, complete freedom, unlike France. I suspect you'll understand this much more clearly when you begat a rugrat or two.
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Skuzzy,
Saw is a damn fine tour guide.
He took us to the Beer Museum, (which was closed)...he wouldn't take us to the Army Museum, (which was open), he took us out to eat where the waiter would only speak french (in Brussels), and gave us a great tour around the Royal Palace (which was closed) in a nice Brussels rain shower!
Now having said all that he did the most important , and most redeeming thing of all, he kept our glasses full of fine Belgium Beer!!
In all seriousness, if you get the chance, Skuzzy, you should make a point to meet and spend some time with Saw. He was an excellent host!
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Originally posted by straffo
I'm on for the wine ;)
Seriously Saw is wrong about rain in the Loire Valley it don't compare to britanny or Belgium :)
There just enought rain to make wine.
Loire Valley is touristic , there is a lot of old (and superb) castle ,food and wine are renowned and climate is pretty temperate even during hoit summer (like the one we go last year)
It's far less touristic and crowded than south places like Nice,Cannes or any mediterranean place.
Personnally I will start a visit here (http://www.tourisme-touraine.com/) and next continue the trip to the coast (http://www.westernloire.com/)
Well, when I mentioned it to my Wife she already had her finger on the map pointing at Loire Valley. So it is a pretty much done deal. I'll let you know when.
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Originally posted by Stringer
Skuzzy,
Saw is a damn fine tour guide.
He took us to the Beer Museum, (which was closed)...he wouldn't take us to the Army Museum, (which was open), he took us out to eat where the waiter would only speak french (in Brussels), and gave us a great tour around the Royal Palace (which was closed) in a nice Brussels rain shower!
Now having said all that he did the most important , and most redeeming thing of all, he kept our glasses full of fine Belgium Beer!!
In all seriousness, if you get the chance, Skuzzy, you should make a point to meet and spend some time with Saw. He was an excellent host!
Hmmm,..maybe we can hit both sides on the next trip. How far away via a train are you two,..straffo, Saw? Get me some map coordinates.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Well, when I mentioned it to my Wife she already had her finger on the map pointing at Loire Valley. So it is a pretty much done deal. I'll let you know when.
hehe :) she is wise :)
I'm living in Evreux currently (50km south of Rouens or about 120 km south west of Paris)
But I've a god part of my familly and friends in Angers (close to the Loire between Nantes and Tours) so we can meet in either region.