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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Estes on June 11, 2004, 09:51:21 PM
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Man, Reagan was a great guy wasn't he?
"President Rios Montt [is] a man of great personal integrity and commitment who wants to improve the quality of life for all Guatemalans, and [is] getting a 'bum rap' on human rights." -- Reagan, '82, speaking about Rios Montt, former dictator of Guatemala. During his reign, approximately 70,000 peasants and political dissidents were killed by the Guatemalan government.
"They have eliminated the segregation that we once had in our own country..." Reagan, '85, praising the government of P.W. Botha in South Africa, during the height of Apartheid.
"They are the moral equivalent of America's founding fathers." -- Reagan, '85, referring to the brutal Contra rebels in Nicaragua, who indiscriminately attacked civilians.
"...an example to the world of the ideals we hold most dear, the ideals of freedom and independence." -- Reagan, '85, praising the Afghan Mujahaddin. These "freedom fighters" included prominent leaders of Al Qaeda, such as Osama Bin Laden, as well as many of the leaders for the Taliban.
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." - Reagan '81
"A tree is a tree. How many more do you have to look at?" - Reagan '66, opposing expansion of Redwood National Park
"Many beach-goers prefer to be crowded together. Buying more beaches that people won't go to because they prefer to be crowded together on one beach is a ridiculous waste of our natural resources and our taxes." -- Reagan, on California's coastline.
"I have flown twice over Mt St Helens out on our west coast. I'm not a scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that that one little mountain has probably released more sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind that people are so concerned about." -- Reagan, '80. At its peak, Mt. St. Helens released 1/40th as much sulfur dioxide as cars do every day.
"I've said it before and I'll say it again. The U.S. Geological Survey has told me that the proven potential for oil in Alaska alone is greater than the proven reserves in Saudi Arabia." -- Reagan, '80. Saudi Arabia's oil reserves are approximately 17 times those of Alaska.
"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk." -- Reagan, '80. (In fact, a single nuclear power plant can produce up to 22,000 cubic feet of of radioactive waste per year.)
"There is today in the United States as much forest as there was when Washington was at Valley Forge." -- Reagan, '83. According to the US Forest Service, only 30% of the U.S. forest lands that existed in 1775 still existed in 1983.
"Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?" -- Reagan, '80
"They turned out the lights. That tells me I can't talk anymore." -- Reagan, '85, dodging reporters questions.
"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself." -- Reagan, during the latter years of his administration.
"The problem is the deficit is -- or should I say -- wait a minute, the spending, I should say, of gross national product, forgive me -- the spending is roughly 23 to 24 per cent. So that it is in -- it what is increasing while the revenues are staying proportionately the same and what would be the proper amount they should, that we should be taking from the private sector." -- Reagan, on the economy.
"The poverty rate has begun to decline, but it is still going up." -- Reagan, on the poor.
"He wrote in Braille to tell me that if cutting his pension would help get this country back on its feet, he'd like to have me cut his pension." -- Reagan, '81, in reference to a supposed blind person who wrote him a letter. After reporter inqueries, no such letter was ever shown to have existed.
"Now we are trying to get unemployment to go up and I think we're going to succeed" -- Reagan, '82.
"Even though there may be some misguided critics of what we're trying to do, I think we're on the wrong path." -- Reagan, '87
"Facts are stupid things.." -- Reagan, '88
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" I do not recall."
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A few people thought he was okay I guess
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Originally posted by NUKE
A few people thought he was okay I guess
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Reagan was a con man. He did what he had to do to get into office. Just like Clinton. but the thing about guys like this is that they end up being halfway decent because they bend to the will of the people.
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Originally posted by Estes
Man, Reagan was a great guy wasn't he?
"President Rios Montt [is] a man of great personal integrity and commitment who wants to improve the quality of life for all Guatemalans, and [is] getting a 'bum rap' on human rights." -- Reagan, '82, speaking about Rios Montt, former dictator of Guatemala. During his reign, approximately 70,000 peasants and political dissidents were killed by the Guatemalan government.
"They have eliminated the segregation that we once had in our own country..." Reagan, '85, praising the government of P.W. Botha in South Africa, during the height of Apartheid.
"They are the moral equivalent of America's founding fathers." -- Reagan, '85, referring to the brutal Contra rebels in Nicaragua, who indiscriminately attacked civilians.
"...an example to the world of the ideals we hold most dear, the ideals of freedom and independence." -- Reagan, '85, praising the Afghan Mujahaddin. These "freedom fighters" included prominent leaders of Al Qaeda, such as Osama Bin Laden, as well as many of the leaders for the Taliban.
"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." - Reagan '81
"A tree is a tree. How many more do you have to look at?" - Reagan '66, opposing expansion of Redwood National Park
"Many beach-goers prefer to be crowded together. Buying more beaches that people won't go to because they prefer to be crowded together on one beach is a ridiculous waste of our natural resources and our taxes." -- Reagan, on California's coastline.
"I have flown twice over Mt St Helens out on our west coast. I'm not a scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that that one little mountain has probably released more sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere of the world than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind that people are so concerned about." -- Reagan, '80. At its peak, Mt. St. Helens released 1/40th as much sulfur dioxide as cars do every day.
"I've said it before and I'll say it again. The U.S. Geological Survey has told me that the proven potential for oil in Alaska alone is greater than the proven reserves in Saudi Arabia." -- Reagan, '80. Saudi Arabia's oil reserves are approximately 17 times those of Alaska.
"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk." -- Reagan, '80. (In fact, a single nuclear power plant can produce up to 22,000 cubic feet of of radioactive waste per year.)
"There is today in the United States as much forest as there was when Washington was at Valley Forge." -- Reagan, '83. According to the US Forest Service, only 30% of the U.S. forest lands that existed in 1775 still existed in 1983.
"Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?" -- Reagan, '80
"They turned out the lights. That tells me I can't talk anymore." -- Reagan, '85, dodging reporters questions.
"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself." -- Reagan, during the latter years of his administration.
"The problem is the deficit is -- or should I say -- wait a minute, the spending, I should say, of gross national product, forgive me -- the spending is roughly 23 to 24 per cent. So that it is in -- it what is increasing while the revenues are staying proportionately the same and what would be the proper amount they should, that we should be taking from the private sector." -- Reagan, on the economy.
"The poverty rate has begun to decline, but it is still going up." -- Reagan, on the poor.
"He wrote in Braille to tell me that if cutting his pension would help get this country back on its feet, he'd like to have me cut his pension." -- Reagan, '81, in reference to a supposed blind person who wrote him a letter. After reporter inqueries, no such letter was ever shown to have existed.
"Now we are trying to get unemployment to go up and I think we're going to succeed" -- Reagan, '82.
"Even though there may be some misguided critics of what we're trying to do, I think we're on the wrong path." -- Reagan, '87
"Facts are stupid things.." -- Reagan, '88
:( Real Tasteful:rolleyes: Mans barely in the ground and and lefties can't wait to trample. :( Typical
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Originally posted by RedTop
:( Real Tasteful:rolleyes: Mans barely in the ground and and lefties can't wait to trample. :( Typical
I was thinking more along the lines of disgraceful
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I was thinking more along the lines of disgraceful
I'll go with that :(
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Shut-up, stupid....
C.
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The passing of a great man can make some feel small and inadequate, leading to bitterness, I guess.
But you'd think they could wait until after he's finally buried at least.
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Some more quotes from a great man!
"We think there is a parallel between federal involvement in education and the decline in profit over recent years." -- Reagan, '83
"...a faceless mass, waiting for handouts." -- Reagan, '65, describing Medicaid recipients.
"Because Vietnam was not a declared war, the veterans are not even eligible for the G. I. Bill of Rights with respect to education or anything." -- Reagan, '80
"Today a newcomer to the state is automatically eligible for our many aid programs the moment he crosses the border." -- Reagan, '66. In fact, immigrants to California had to wait five years before becoming eligible for benefits. Reagan later acknowledged his error, but repeated the same thing nine months later.
"Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal.." -- Reagan, '76
"It would be a user fee..." -- Reagan, '82, explaining how a five cent a gallon tax on gasoline isn't actually a tax.
"Taxes should hurt. I just mailed my own tax return last night and I am prepared to say `ouch!' as loud as anyone." -- Reagan, '70, after approving California's largest tax increase in history. Reporters soon pointed out that Reagan didn't pay a cent on state taxes that year. For all his talk about shrinking government, California's state budget more than doubled under his governorship, from $4.6 billion to $10.2 billion.
"I have a smiling fellow at the end of the table who tells me what we do." -- Reagan, '81, on how budget decisions are made.
"I never knew anything above Cs." -- Reagan, '81, describing his academic record.
"I know all the bad things that happened in that war. I was in uniform for four years myself." -- Reagan, '85, justifying laying a wreath at a nazi cemetary in Bitburg. Reagan spent WWII in Hollywood, making films.
"They haven't been there. I have." Reagan, '85, justifying his policies on Nicaragua. Ronald Reagan had never visited Nicaragua.
"They've done away with those committees. That shows the success of what the Soviets were able to do in this country." -- Reagan, '87, defending McCarthyism and the House Un-American Activities Committee.
"In England, if a criminal carried a gun, even though he didn't use it, he was not tried for burglary or theft or whatever he was doing. He was tried for first degree murder and hung if he was found guilty" -- Reagan, '82. Later admitted by White House Spokesman Larry Speakes to be untrue.
""I never wear (makeup). I didn't wear it when I was in pictures." -- Reagan, '84. This statement is promptly disputed the next day by G.E. Theater makeup man Howard Smith, "Death Valley Days" makeup man Del Acevedo, and debate panelist James Weighart, as well as Mayor Edward Bergin, recalling a recent presidential visit to Connecticut.
"80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees." -- Reagan, '79
"My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." -- Reagan, '84
"I've been told that in the Russian language there isn't even a word for freedom." -- Reagan, '85. The word, btw, is svoboda.
"I cannot recall anything whatsoever.... My answer therefore and the simple truth is, 'I don't remember, period'" -- Reagan, Feb. '87, denying knowledge of the Iran-Contra "arms for hostages" deal.
"Mr. President, why don't we openly support those 7,000 guerillas that are in rebellion rather than giving aid through covert activity?"
"Well, because we want to keep on obeying the laws of our country, which we are now obeying."
"Doesn't the United States want that government replaced?"
"No, because that would be a violation of the law." - Reagan, ''87. At the time of the press conference, the U.S. was giving the indiscriminately murderous Contra guerillas covert aid, in direct violation of the law. Reagan's lie was so obvious that members of the press corps laughed loudly and openly at his statements.
"A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not." -- Reagan, Mar. '87
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His greatness will long outlive your achievements. If you have any.
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Lets honor Reagan, a man who helped lift our country out of Carter's darkeness. A man who helped free millions from communism around the world.
President Reagan, you served God and country beyond the call. You gave us a reason to believe in our country again.
President Reagan... I wish I could be one tenth of the man that you were.
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Originally posted by Toad
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His greatness will long outlive your achievements. If you have any.
If you really want to rewrite history and say reagan is souley responsible for ending the cold war. Go right ahead, but facts are still facts.
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Originally posted by Ronald Reagan
December 1985
"I couldn't but -- one point in our discussions privately with General Secretary Gorbachev -- when you stop to think that we're all God's children, wherever we may live in the world, I couldn't help but say to him, just think how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this from some other species from another planet outside in the universe. We'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries and we would find out once and for all that we really are all human beings here on this earth together.
Well I don't suppose we can wait for some alien race to come down and threaten us. But I think that between us we can bring about that realization. Thank you all. God bless you all."
September 1987, UN General Assembly
"In our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences world-wide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask you, is not an alien force already among us? What could be more alien than war and the threat of war?"
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Who said "solely"?
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
If you really want to rewrite history and say Reagan is souley responsible for ending the cold war. Go right ahead, but facts are still facts.
Maragret Thatcher's view:
In a videotaped eulogy, former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher said the world has lost a great president, a great American, and a great man, and that she has lost great friend.
Ms. Thatcher said President Reagan had won the Cold War, "not only without firing a shot, but also by inviting enemies out of their fortress and turning them into friends."
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Maragret Thatcher's view:
In that respect he helped finish the cold war. The USSR was broken and defeated by the time Reagan came to power, but i agree that he did help them transition to a democracy by extending the hand of friendship through peacefull actions.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
In that respect ........
in retrospect you do not have the understanding to comprehend the subject.
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After I heard Ronald Reagan passing, I decide get his "Famous words" and found one for my sig which I was impressed what he said until this guys who against it.
http://flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119402
I guess I did wrong or something.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
In that respect he helped finish the cold war. The USSR was broken and defeated by the time Reagan came to power, but i agree that he did help them transition to a democracy by extending the hand of friendship through peacefull actions.
I was stationed in Germany from 87 till after the wall came down...... They didnt look defeted and broken to me, we rolled out on emergency deployments twice before 89. Sitting there with live rounds is real "Pucker factor zero" stuff. Put you butt on the line before you toss out genaralities.
Not to mention that failing Goverments are prone to lashing out.....
Gunns
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stabbytheiceprik is just a dumb kid, don't take much stock in what the moron says.
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
In that respect he helped finish the cold war. The USSR was broken and defeated by the time Reagan came to power, but i agree that he did help them transition to a democracy by extending the hand of friendship through peacefull actions.
OH i guess that's why they were outproducing us in Nukes from 80 till about 85
DOH.....why do I do this.....I thaught I had you on ignore. Stabby you are nothing more than a troll potato.
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Since the two priks have not responded in awhile, I can only hope they were banned.
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And at last, a few more quotes from a superb man!
"If the question comes up at the Tower Board meeting, you might want to say that you were surprised." -- Reagan, '87, accidentally reading the notes for his stage directions aloud which told him to act surprised should the issue of arms-for-hostages come up.
"You sonofa*****, you broke my rib." - Reagan, '81 to the Secret Service agent who pushed him into his car. Reagan later realized that he was shot and that the agent had possibly saved his life.
"Hollywood has no blacklist." -- Reagan, '60. FBI records have since shown that this was a lie, and that Reagan personally informed on several actors, later shown to be innocent, destroying their careers in the process.
"I would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964." -- Reagan, '66, on how he would have opposed the legislation that came out of the civil rights movement.
"Jefferson Davis is a hero of mine." -- Reagan, in a speech he gave to a crowd in Atlanta, GA.
"...humiliating to the South..." -- Reagan, '80, describing the Voting Rights Act of 1965, arguably the primary legislative victory for blacks during the Civil Rights movement.
"I believe in states' rights..." --Reagan, '80, in a speech in Philadelphia, MS, a town famous for the murder of three civil rights workers in '64. "States rights" is used in the South as a code word indicating support of Jim Crow laws.
"A small minority of beatniks, radicals, and filthy speech advocates ... brought such shame to a great university." -- Reagan, '66, complaining about student protests against Vietnam on the Berkeley campus.
"If there has to be a bloodbath, then let's get it over with." -- Reagan, '69, prior to having national guard soldiers break up a peaceful protest on the UC Berkeley campus. The protesters were teargassed and fired upon with buckshot, killing one protester and wounding at least 128 others.
"... a tragic illness." -- Reagan, '67, desribing homosexuality. When two of his aides were found to be gay that year, he asked for their resignations.
"Maybe the Lord brought down this plague [because] illicit sex is against the Ten Commandments." - Reagan, '89. Reagan didn't even mention AIDS until 1987, by which time it had spread into the heterosexual population and over 25,000 Americans had died.
"What we have found in this country, and maybe we're more aware of it now, is one problem that we've had, even in the best of times, and that is the people who are sleeping on the grates, the homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice" - Reagan, '84.
"For the first time ever, everything is in place for the battle of Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. It can't be too long now. Ezekiel says that fire and brimstone will be rained upon the enemies of God's people. That must mean that they will be destroyed by nuclear weapons." -- Reagan, '71
"We're not building missiles to fight a war. We're building missiles to preserve the peace." -- Reagan, '84, justifying adding additional nuclear weapons to an arsenal already capable of destroying the world many times over.
"There have been times in the past when people thought the end of the world was coming, and so forth, but never anything like this." -- Reagan, '83
"We may be the generation that sees Armageddon." -- Reagan, '85
"It's silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking strips on it, and be home by Christmas" -- Reagan, '65
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President Reagan was a great American President. I remember the Carter years..... terrible. I remember a Carter state of the union address... he said the state of the union "is not good"
Carter made us all feel like we had no hope and offered no solution. Then, the fresh breath of air, Reagan, reminded us all that we had greatness and a better future.
The Liberals and Democrats offered negative, dark visions ( some things never change)....Reagan offered promise and hope, and delivered.
President Reagan, and God bless you.
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Easy Nuke,
Estes is an angry little man who attacks a great man's legacy like a starling harassing an eagle. The eagle will live on.
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Sad.
Edit: On second thought, that's not all I have to say. . Ok, that's all.
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Originally posted by NUKE
President Reagan was a great American President. I remember the Carter years..... terrible. I remember a Carter state of the union address... he said the state of the union "is not good"
Carter made us all feel like we had no hope and offered no solution. Then, the fresh breath of air, Reagan, reminded us all that we had greatness and a better future.
The Liberals and Democrats offered negative, dark visions ( some things never change)....Reagan offered promise and hope, and delivered.
President Reagan, and God bless you.
I remember both also. First time I voted against him. Second time I voted for him.
I think that not only did he deliver then but also in the 90's and he is still delivering today.
Maybe its just me but I see a direct line from todays super personal computers, GPS systems in cars and a host of other tactical to practical technology of today to the technological boom of the 90s to Reagans deregulation of military technology policies
Did Reagan bring down the Soviet Union all by himself? No. but he was in no way a small part of it. Throughout his carreer even in hollywood he fought against it. Then as President he properly anticipated its condition and brought to bear the exact amount of pressure on various fronts in just the proper proportions to help force its final demise and end the cold war when just a few years earlier event he most optomistic opinions were that there was no end in sight.
He saw the best in America and helped us to beleive in ourselves again and put a swagger back in our step.
Was he a perfect president? By his own admission no.
And I've yet to see the President that was.
But in the final analysis in his own words he put it best.
"All in all. Not bad. not bad at all"
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A column about how much he meant to part of the worlds population who before him were not free, but who now are:
http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/04/06/11/col_muhlstein001.cfm
It was an arduous journey from her native Ukraine to Latvia and finally to Snohomish County in 1989. Though she never got to thank President Reagan, she believes he changed her life when he changed the world.
Apparently, some who lived there, disagree with the "Reagan didn't have anything to do with it" line of thought...
BB
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Originally posted by StabbyTheIcePic
In that respect he helped finish the cold war. The USSR was broken and defeated by the time Reagan came to power, but i agree that he did help them transition to a democracy by extending the hand of friendship through peacefull actions.
hmm...what do the experts say about this?
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. Current Newsweek
“He had no capacity for analysis and no command for detail.” Did Reagan’s defense policies cause the collapse of the Soviet Union? Well, maybe, says Schlesinger, “but surely the thing that did in the Russians was that time had proved communism was an economic, political and moral disaster.”
hmmm....but
Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. 1984
“those in the United States who think the Soviet Union is on the verge of economic and social collapse” are “wishful thinkers who are only kidding themselves.”
Sovietologist Seweryn Bialer of Columbia University 1982
“The Soviet Union is not now nor will it be during the next decade in the throes of a true systemic crisis, for it boasts enormous unused reserves of political and social stability.”
John Kenneth Galbraith Harvard economist 1984
“That the Soviet system has made great material progress in recent years is evident both from the statistics and from the general urban scene. One sees it in the appearance of solid well-being of the people on the streets and the general aspect of restaurants, theaters, and shops. Partly, the Russian system succeeds because, in contrast with the Western industrial economies, it makes full use of its manpower.”
Lester Thurow MIT economist 1989
“Can economic command significantly accelerate the growth process? The remarkable performance of the Soviet Union suggests that it can. Today the Soviet Union is a country whose economic achievements bear comparison with those of the United States.”
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This thread is filled with dicks. Complete morons. Those who wish to honor Reagan and the things he has done, I salute you.
Those of you salamanders who are going to continue to bash a great man such as Reagan I can only hope the worst things for you.
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every single one of those so called quotes is either a flat fabrication or distorted version of the truth or simply taken out of context.
typical lefty tactic. say a bunch of outrageous stuff and hope that the damage is done before you get caught or that people never read the rebuttal.
did you see where he used for sources?
lazs
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Reminds me of those "quotes" people often post that are supposed to be from AlGore, but were actually said by Dan Quail.
SSDPP
(Same S*** Different Political Party)
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Liberals, if we could roll them up they wouldn't even be good for toilet paper.
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Reagan will always be remembered as a great man. Those who so angrily denounce him will always be viewed as petty. That's just how it is and no amount of whining about it is gonna change it.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Reminds me of those "quotes" people often post that are supposed to be from AlGore, but were actually said by Dan Quail.
SSDPP
(Same S*** Different Political Party)
Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!
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never hear these liberal morons in the real world talk smack like they do on the net. A damned good reason why too.
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Originally posted by Yeager
never hear these liberal morons in the real world talk smack like they do on the net. A damned good reason why too.
Images of Geraldo and the skinheads come to mind.
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Originally posted by lazs2
every single one of those so called quotes is either a flat fabrication or distorted version of the truth or simply taken out of context.
typical lefty tactic. say a bunch of outrageous stuff and hope that the damage is done before you get caught or that people never read the rebuttal.
did you see where he used for sources?
lazs
How about this one, Lazs? Is it out of context? You're old enough to remember him saying it. I both heard and read it.
In November 1983, Reagan told visiting Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir that he had served as a photographer in a U.S. Army unit assigned to film Nazi death camps. He repeated the story to Simon Wiesenthal the following February. Reagan never visited or filmed a concentration camp; he spent World War II in Hollywood, making training films with the First Motion Picture Unit of the Army Air Corps.
or this one?
"We did not--repeat, did not--trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we," Reagan proclaimed in November 1986. Four months later, on March 4, 1987, Reagan admitted in a televised national address, "A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not."
At best, Reagan was an actor who projected warmth and friendship. At worst, he was a pathological liar. Imagine, lying about his military service record. I expect pols to shade the truth when they're quibbling w/other politicians. But his freaking service record?
curly
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Instead of venting my anger over the disgraceful behavior of some people here... instead I will borrow a quote from the Presidents eulogy over Ronald Reagan, in the hope that it will encourage you to reflect over your actions and your own personality.
As he showed what a president should be, he also showed us what a man should be.
He was a courtly, gentle and considerate man, never known to slight or embarrass others.
Ronald Reagan, may you rest in peace. You will always be loved, remembered and missed.
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Hmmm, do those of you that say Reagan is being "dishonoured" in this thread realise that it wouldn't be Estes that is dishonouring Reagan. All he is doing is posting quotes. If Reagan is being dishonoured, it is by his own words.
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Estes has a right to display those quotes. Nonetheless it is a display of poor form considering the time frame, much like the Clintons recently.
The same type of quotes could be gathered on any president in the world if one went looking for such historical information.
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Originally posted by rogwar
The same type of quotes could be gathered on any president in the world if one went looking for such historical information.
Bee Eye En Gee Oh.
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Originally posted by rogwar
Estes has a right to display those quotes. Nonetheless it is a display of poor form considering the time frame, much like the Clintons recently.
The same type of quotes could be gathered on any president in the world if one went looking for such historical information.
Hey Rogwar :)
Perhaps, but I don't recall a president other than Bush (maybe, not confirmed as yet) lying about his military service. That's Bush Jr. of course, Bush Sr. is a rightfully decorated WW2 veteran.
curly
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greatest American in the last 50 years maybe longer, less than a week and the slander starts
I am embarASSed for you estes
(http://sopris.net/mpc/military/v/reagan.gorbachev.jpg)
(http://www.gcc.edu/news/images/reagan.jpg)
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Mr. Reagan and thank you!
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Wasn't he the guy that sent terrorist to South America with torture manuals and gave a known ruthless dictator WMD and a monetary pat on the back for the methodical genoicde of his own people?
Btw how does someone manage to slander a person on a BB, are you hearing voices in your head gain?
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Originally posted by Torque
Wasn't he the guy that sent terrorist to South America with torture manuals and gave a known ruthless dictator WMD and a monetary pat on the back for the methodical genoicde of his own people?
Btw how does someone manage to slander a person on a BB, are you hearing voices in your head gain?
Wasn't a Canadian Prime Minister's wife being piped by an English rock icon?
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No it was a Canadian rock icon shagging the ex wife of the King to be...or was it wife of the King to be...Lady Di and whatisface......
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
No it was a Canadian rock icon shagging the ex wife of the King to be...or was it wife of the King to be...Lady Di and whatisface......
No I believe that I read or heard somewhere that Mick Jagger was banging Maggie Trudeau. Is this correct? I could be wrong though. It would certainly add a whole new spin to je me souviens if it were.
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Originally posted by Rafe35
After I heard Ronald Reagan passing, I decide get his "Famous words" and found one for my sig which I was impressed what he said until this guys who against it.
http://flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119402
I guess I did wrong or something.
I copied it and now use it in my sig. I don't care who I offend here. I won't change it for some prettythang that thinks it's bull.
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Originally posted by rogwar
Estes has a right to display those quotes.
No he doesn't. This is a privately owned BBS, he has no rights here. He is just fortunate that HTC allows him the privilege to spout his hateful garbage.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Eagler
greatest American in the last 50 years maybe longer, less than a week and the slander starts
Slander? There is no slander here.
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Originally posted by AKcurly
or this one?
"We did not--repeat, did not--trade weapons or anything else for hostages, nor will we," Reagan proclaimed in November 1986. Four months later, on March 4, 1987, Reagan admitted in a televised national address, "A few months ago, I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not."
A President coming clean about wrong doing? What a concept. Sure never happened during Slick's service did it?
Would you have preferred he invaded Iran to get our people?
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The body is still warm...
Why werent all the lefties *****ing about Reagan 2 weeks ago?
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Because there is a tremendous amount of anger on the neoleft that Reagan is viewed by so many people as a great leader and a decent man. They absolutely hate it.
A local TV news station found a proffessor of political science who in a very meek and detestable way pointed to every flaw the man could possibly have had then would say "yeah..people liked him but"....this proffessor concluded that Reagan was the worst president the country had ever had.
I think Reagan has done the country another favour by bringing these people out and letting all of us see them and hear them.
The neoleft is dispicable and should be closely watched and accounted for.
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Brr nrr nrr nrr nrr Paranoia, self destroyah! dunh dunh dunh dunh....
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Originally posted by Yeager
The neoleft is dispicable and should be closely watched and accounted for.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/66_1087148474_brownshirts_edited.jpg)
Yeah...need one of those secret police organisations....wait a minute...you might already have one!!!
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okay then for all you nitpicky phuckers on this board whining about slander. Here's one for you..
Ever notice how Libel is just 2 letters from Liberal?
dick-heads
(edited so its not censored)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
[Yeah...need one of those secret police organisations....wait a minute...you might already have one!!!
Ah the whimsical and zany euros! it must be terrible to be emasculated. you poor helpless girlymen.
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There you go again - Ronald Reagan
:D :D :D :D :D
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I utterly detsted Regan's policitcs (which Maggie Thatcher adopted) when he was the President of the US. I thought he was a war mongerer par extrodinairre.
After he died, I was driving down from Lancashire to London (about a 3 hour trip) and the Beeb were doing a a very long piece on his life on the radio. The longer I listened to it, the more I thought, 'Hey, the guy might have had a point after all'.
The thing that struck me the most was this:
He may have been clueless (I'm sorry, I thought that Carter was streets more intelligent than he was) , but his heart was in the right place. I think he was a very decent, honest man, and for that, I'm glad.
Ravs
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Originally posted by AKIron
A President coming clean about wrong doing? What a concept. Sure never happened during Slick's service did it?
Would you have preferred he invaded Iran to get our people?
Because I assumed his remarks were on the same order as his lies about military service. You seem to have ignored that one, Iron. :)
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
Because I assumed his remarks were on the same order as his lies about military service. You seem to have ignored that one, Iron. :)
curly
I was hoping you wouldn't notice Curly. Well... uh... well... hey, nobody's perfect. ;)
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Originally posted by AKcurly
How about this one, Lazs? Is it out of context? You're old enough to remember him saying it. I both heard and read it.
In November 1983, Reagan told visiting Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir that he had served as a photographer in a U.S. Army unit assigned to film Nazi death camps. He repeated the story to Simon Wiesenthal the following February. Reagan never visited or filmed a concentration camp; he spent World War II in Hollywood, making training films with the First Motion Picture Unit of the Army Air Corps.
curly
I remember we discussed this one before Curly. After giving it more thought it doesn't have to be a lie or even an attempt to mislead if taken out of context. Consider their conversation may have gone something like this:
Shamir, "So Ronnie, I understand you were in the Army Air Corps during WWII?"
Reagan, "That's right Yitzy. In fact I was assigned to the same unit that photographed the nazi death camps."
I'm not saying it happened this way, only that I consider it possible without further info. I may do a search to see exactly which units did both later.
OK, the 1st Motion Picture Unit definitely had combat camera units. Whether they filmed nazi death camps isn't mentioned in this article but is certainly plausible.
http://www.militarymuseum.org/1stmpu.html
Combat Camera Units
Combat Camera crews were trained by the First Motion Picture Unit at the Page Military Academy, only a half mile from the studio. Each crew was composed of seven Officers and 20 to 30 Enlisted men, depending on the theater of War they were sent to.
The training consisted of very intensive instruction in photography with a variety of motion picture and still cameras. Thorough training in the maintenance of' the cameras, aerial camera work under true flight conditions, often across the country. Rigid physical training, simulating ground combat, as well as the use of combat weapons.
The Camera Units, after training was completed, were sent out to all Army Air Force fronts throughout the World. They were on bombing raids as a matter of routine. The raids took many casualties and percentage-wise were high but many members of the Units received the most commendable decorations.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I remember we discussed this one before Curly. After giving it more thought it doesn't have to be a lie or even an attempt to mislead if taken out of context. Consider their conversation may have gone something like this:
Shamir, "So Ronnie, I understand you were in the Army Air Corps during WWII?"
Reagan, "That's right Yitzy. In fact I was assigned to the same unit that photographed the nazi death camps."
commendable decorations.
Nope. He made a big deal of it. He spoke at some length about the horror of entering the camp & etc.
In a phrase, he lied.
curly
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Originally posted by storch
Ah the whimsical and zany euros! it must be terrible to be emasculated. you poor helpless girlymen.
You mean like these guys?
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=530990
So....what's it like being a uneducated right wing bigot?
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
So....what's it like being a uneducated right wing bigot?
The merciful thing about that particular affliction is that they don't know any different.
To sleep, to dream....
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The Brits obviously still believe that when it comes to the bayonet
"They don't like it upem!!"
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Nope. He made a big deal of it. He spoke at some length about the horror of entering the camp & etc.
In a phrase, he lied.
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Ive never heard of this. Were you there? did you hear it yourself or are you just taking someone elses word for it?
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You better beleive it shredenfraud, laws need enforcers. Stop the crackheads and dopeaddicts. Brown shirts green shirts blue shirts take your pick. Stand on the side of law and order or on the side of anarchy and chaos.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Nope. He made a big deal of it. He spoke at some length about the horror of entering the camp & etc.
In a phrase, he lied.
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Ive never heard of this. Were you there? did you hear it yourself or are you just taking someone elses word for it?
Yeager, it happened so long ago, I can't honestly say I heard Reagan make the remark on TV. I think I did, but I might be wrong. However, it was widely reported by *all* newsmagazines as well as the major newspapers.
Heck, I kept the Time issue for years because I thought it was so funny. I still have the Jimmy Carter playboy interview. :)
There are numerous webpages if you care to use google or yahoo - you can easily find it. Look for something like "presidential blunders"
curly
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Originally posted by Yeager
You better beleive it shredenfraud, laws need enforcers. Stop the crackheads and dopeaddicts. Brown shirts green shirts blue shirts take your pick. Stand on the side of law and order or on the side of anarchy and chaos.
rofl.
Yes STOP the crackheads and the dope addicts!!!!!!!!!
What a menace to society. Btw... can ya spare any change for a war?
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Originally posted by Yeager
You better beleive it shredenfraud, laws need enforcers. Stop the crackheads and dopeaddicts. Brown shirts green shirts blue shirts take your pick. Stand on the side of law and order or on the side of anarchy and chaos.
Schadenfreude...Schaden and then Freude.......misspelling as an insult is well........lame, the only effect it has is to show that the user is really, really dim - but if it makes you feel better about things, carry on - 15 year olds will be jolly impressed.
On a lighter note, still being bothered by the homoerotic fantasy's or are you starting to enjoy them?
I actually do stand on the side of the Law - fortunately in the country I choose to live in the Law would probably lock you up.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
You mean like these guys?
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/story.jsp?story=530990
So....what's it like being a uneducated right wing bigot?
Probably similar to being whatever you are today. If you really must know I would suggest you ask one.
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Schadenfreude...Schaden and then Freude
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:rofl
Hello SchadenandthenFreude
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Yep definitely a 14 year old intellect trapped in a 60 year old body.
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Gosh Yeager, that was hilarious.
How do people keep up with your incisive wit?
Ravs
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Originally posted by storch
Probably similar to being whatever you are today. If you really must know I would suggest you ask one.
Oh forgot to add - narrow minded too - so, any comments to the the Argyl and Sutherland Highlanders who cleared enemy positions with bayonets after running low on ammo or to one of their number who is up for the Victoria Cross after driving through an enemy ambush, saving his crew, then getting back into his burning vehicle to get it to a safe position and only then allowing his wounds to be treated - according to you "girlymen"?
If this is type of individual is what America is all about you boys better crank up the requirements for citizenship.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Schadenfreude...Schaden and then Freude
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:rofl
Hello SchadenandthenFreude
pull my finger LOL
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Originally posted by Eagler
pull my finger LOL
LOL I'll be grinning all day at the image of Ravells and Schenfreude with their stiff upper lips saying "I say, old chaps, you musn't act like children" as Eagler and Yeager put pencils in their noses and pull each others' fingers.
Anyway, I didn't see the best RR quote EVAR-
"The best thing about having Alzheimer's Disease is that you meet so many new people every day."
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Originally posted by Airhead
LOL I'll be grinning all day at the image of Ravells and Schenfreude with their stiff upper lips saying "I say, old chaps, you musn't act like children" as Eagler and Yeager put pencils in their noses and pull each others' fingers.
Anyway, I didn't see the best RR quote EVAR-
"The best thing about having Alzheimer's Disease is that you meet so many new people every day."
:)
Ravs (need to find a 'stiff upper lip' smiley)
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Schadenandthenfreude I have a joke for you!
Q: Whats green and flys over London?
A: Snotsies!
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Oh forgot to add - narrow minded too - so, any comments to the the Argyl and Sutherland Highlanders who cleared enemy positions with bayonets after running low on ammo or to one of their number who is up for the Victoria Cross after driving through an enemy ambush, saving his crew, then getting back into his burning vehicle to get it to a safe position and only then allowing his wounds to be treated - according to you "girlymen"?
If this is type of individual is what America is all about you boys better crank up the requirements for citizenship.
Were you there? Did you participate? Have you ever shouldered a weapon in the support of a worthy cause?
Those men are obviously a cut above you and others of your ilk which do nothing but undermine the efforts of your government's support of those heros. courage and gallantry know no national boundaries and I would not refer to those men as girlymen, you however......... I consider these men true men irrespective of nationality. Perhaps you confuse my barbs and jabs as a broad brush dedicated poking fun at all euros, well it's not it's dedicated to the ridicule of those such as yourself. I hope this clarifies it for you somewhat.
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Nice backpedal!!! As for serving google 61 Mech Battle Group, Bravo Coy Ops Smokeshell and Protea, Daisy and Carnation.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_66_1062146074.jpg)
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curly... I may be old enough but I do not recall him ever saying those two things.. Can you give me a link to them so that I can read the whole thing?
all the other ones... they are from some far left dirty little corner of the internet that our poster frequents...
they are made up or misrepresented.
lazs
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Storch...see if you can pick me out
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/66_1087234727_untitled_edited.jpg)
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Nice backpedal!!! As for serving google 61 Mech Battle Group, Bravo Coy Ops Smokeshell and Protea, Daisy and Carnation.
What backpedal I have never spoken ill about a serviceman while in service, never will. even the enemy.
I don't know please point yourself out the pinhead may have been covered. :D
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Smokeshell, Protea, Carnation and Daisy..... what did you think of the UN in those days?
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Originally posted by lazs2
curly... I may be old enough but I do not recall him ever saying those two things.. Can you give me a link to them so that I can read the whole thing?
all the other ones... they are from some far left dirty little corner of the internet that our poster frequents...
they are made up or misrepresented.
lazs
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0309.mendacity-experts.html
Page down until you see "Reagan", keep going until you see "The Liberator."
curly
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liberal rag
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Originally posted by Toad
Smokeshell, Protea, Carnation and Daisy..... what did you think of the UN in those days?
UN came in 88/89 after my time...4 years was enough for me, glad it was over, the last year or so was very rough - I think most people were just glad to be able to go home.
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Originally posted by NUKE
President Reagan was a great American President. I remember the Carter years..... terrible. I remember a Carter state of the union address... he said the state of the union "is not good"
Carter made us all feel like we had no hope and offered no solution. Then, the fresh breath of air, Reagan, reminded us all that we had greatness and a better future.
The Liberals and Democrats offered negative, dark visions ( some things never change)....Reagan offered promise and hope, and delivered.
President Reagan, and God bless you.
Holy smokes! Nuke, do you really mean this? You would rather have someone blow smoke up your arse and make you feel better than hear the truth?
Sure, politics as usually would demand that Carter would have gone up there and said, "America is Strong, Our people are great and our Country couldn't be in better shape", but that wasn't the case.
Sure, he wasn't a very good President, but IMO at least the poor bastard had the guts to tell the truth. Maybe that's why he wasn't so good AT being President.....
huh.... what a weird world this is sometimes
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"There are those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, and those that wonder what happened."
Reagan was the first, Carter the last.
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Originally posted by AKIron
"There are those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, and those that wonder what happened."
Reagan was the first, Carter the last.
I totally agree with you.
I just found the statement Nuke made a little shocking. I took it as saying that he would rather be made to feel better about a situation than the situation is.... This IMO is one of the big problems with our general puplic. They like the guy that tells them everything is good and not to worry, even when it's not.
but, I could be reading it wrong......
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Originally posted by NUKE
stabbytheiceprik is just a dumb kid, don't take much stock in what the moron says.
Nuke you have a habit of denying you type things like this later. So I will quote it for you for prosperity.
On subject. Not everyone in the world will love Reagan. For his country though he was a great leader. He would have gotten a third term I would think. I dont know what else we want from leaders.
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sorry curly... I still would like to see what he really said not what someone from the "washington monthly" doing a satire piece said he said. It had to have been reported somewhere. Or it didn't exist.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
sorry curly... I still would like to see what he really said not what someone from the "washington monthly" doing a satire piece said he said. It had to have been reported somewhere. Or it didn't exist.
lazs
Highly unlikely Time/Newsweek/etc has its 80s archives digitized, eh? Nonetheless, I read it in newsweeklies and newspapers. Obviously, others read it and chuckled about it or it wouldn't have made the mendacity report.
Your loss, feller. The truth is rarely painless and much easier to simply ignore.
curly
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Originally posted by mosgood
Holy smokes! Nuke, do you really mean this? You would rather have someone blow smoke up your arse and make you feel better than hear the truth?
Sure, politics as usually would demand that Carter would have gone up there and said, "America is Strong, Our people are great and our Country couldn't be in better shape", but that wasn't the case.
Sure, he wasn't a very good President, but IMO at least the poor bastard had the guts to tell the truth. Maybe that's why he wasn't so good AT being President.....
huh.... what a weird world this is sometimes
Picture Carter as the captain of your airline flight when something minor goes wrong with the plane. He's the kind of guy that would come on the radio and say "well, something went wrong with the plane folks and I'm afraid I don't know how to fix it or overcome the problem.... you should all expect to die on this flight"
That's basically the vision Carter gave us.
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it could have made the "mendacity report" for a lot of reasons... not the least od which is that the opinion of the columnist in question is affected by him being a wussy left wing nutjob with an agenda.
I liked the one I recall where klinton claimed to be so affected by all the black church burnings that he seen as a kid in arkansas... he even had a tear in his eye when I saw the speech... someone did the research and.... zero that's it... zero black churches were burned in arkansas during that time period.
lazs
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Sung at Carter's Inaugural Ball by Paul Simon:
Many's the time I've been mistaken,
and many times confused
Yes, and I've often felt forsaken,
and certainly misused.
Ah, but I'm all right, I'm all right.
I'm just weary to my bones.
Still you don't expect to be bright and bon vivant,
so far away from home,
so far away from home.
And I don't know a soul who's not been battered.
I don't have a friend who feels at ease.
I don't know a dream that's not been shattered,
or driven to its knees.
Ah, but it's all right. It's all right.
For we've lived so well so long.
Still, when I think of the road we're travelin' on,
I wonder what's gone wrong.
I can't help but wonder what's gone wrong.
And I dreamed I was dying.
I dreamed that my soul rose unexpectedly,
and looking back down at me, smiled reassuringly.
And I dreamed I was flying,
and high up above my eyes could clearly see
the Statue of Liberty sailing away to sea.
And I dreamed I was flying.
And we come on the ship they call the Mayflower.
We come on the ship that sailed the moon.
We come in the age's most uncertain hours,
and sing an American tune.
Oh, and it's all right, it's all right,
it's all right.
You can't be forever blessed.
Still tomorrow's gonna be another working day
and I'm tryin' to get some rest;
that's all - I'm trying to get some rest.
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Originally posted by mosgood
Holy smokes! Nuke, do you really mean this? You would rather have someone blow smoke up your arse and make you feel better than hear the truth?
Sure, he wasn't a very good President, but IMO at least the poor bastard had the guts to tell the truth. Maybe that's why he wasn't so good AT being President.....
huh.... what a weird world this is sometimes
maybe it was the poor bastards policies that made us all feel miserable. It was the Dems who invented the misery index, unemployment + inflation. Now that’s real optimistic. I remember the carter years very well. He was a joke.
we had lost in Vietnam, we had Nixon ***** up, we had doldrums through ford, then that clown Carter, after 30 plus years of pessimistic thought Reagan came in and gave us hope once again, llead us to believe in ourselves once more and made America strong, defensively, economically. And he put the fear of GOD and The US in the soviets.
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Originally posted by JBA
maybe it was the poor bastards policies that made us all feel miserable. It was the Dems who invented the misery index, unemployment + inflation. Now that’s real optimistic.
LOL The Dems invented inflation and unemployment?? Do you have any idea just how stupid that sounds?:lol
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"unemployment + inflation"
ummm, I think he's saying that's the formula for the misery index...
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Speaking of inflation
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Originally posted by Airhead
LOL The Dems invented inflation and unemployment?? Do you have any idea just how stupid that sounds?:lol
Your reading comprehension is very low
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The original "misery index" is simply the jobless rate added to the inflation rate. The term was coined by economist Arthur Okun, an economic adviser in Lyndon Johnson’s administration.
Didn't start with Carter.
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Originally posted by JBA
maybe it was the poor bastards policies that made us all feel miserable. It was the Dems who invented the misery index, unemployment + inflation. Now that’s real optimistic. I remember the carter years very well. He was a joke.
we had lost in Vietnam, we had Nixon ***** up, we had doldrums through ford, then that clown Carter, after 30 plus years of pessimistic thought Reagan came in and gave us hope once again, llead us to believe in ourselves once more and made America strong, defensively, economically. And he put the fear of GOD and The US in the soviets.
So, you want a President to make you FEEL better?
He wasn't a good leader or Pres. but Vietnam wasn't Carters fault, Nixon wasn't Carters fault, Ford wasn't Carters fault and 26 years of pessimistic thought ( this is bullsh** btw) wasn't Carters fault. What was Carters fault was that he didn't make you feel like everything was great?
The fact is.... the state of the Union WASN'T good. He should have said it better but blaming him for not making you FEEL better about it is.... uhhhh........ Presidential I guess.... LOLOL
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Originally posted by lazs2
it could have made the "mendacity report" for a lot of reasons... not the least od which is that the opinion of the columnist in question is affected by him being a wussy left wing nutjob with an agenda.
I liked the one I recall where klinton claimed to be so affected by all the black church burnings that he seen as a kid in arkansas... he even had a tear in his eye when I saw the speech... someone did the research and.... zero that's it... zero black churches were burned in arkansas during that time period.
lazs
Yeah, I liked that one too, but it was a low-quality lie for billy boy. He topped that particular whopper many times. [didn't inhale, didn't have sex w/monica & etc.]
curly