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Director Moore to focus on Blair
Controversial film-maker Michael Moore has said he intends to follow up his anti-Bush documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 with a film about Tony Blair.
Director Moore wants to take a closer look at the British prime minister's role in backing the war in Iraq.
In a recent interview he said he holds Blair "more responsible for this war in Iraq than I do George W Bush".
"Blair knows better. Blair is not an idiot. What is he doing hanging around this guy?" Moore told Reuters.
Alleged links
Fahrenheit 9/11, which opens in US cinemas on 25 June, won the prestigious Palme d'Or award at this year's Cannes Film Festival.
The film explores the Iraq war and alleges links between the Bush family and Osama Bin Laden.
It also claims that President Bush manipulated the US into war with Iraq through a combination of fear and misinformation.
Miramax's parent firm Disney refused to distribute the film, which also criticises President Bush's response to the 11 September attacks on the US.
The documentary is being released by Miramax chiefs Bob and Harvey Weinstein, through a deal with two outside companies.
Moore told Reuters he took the decision to ignore Blair's involvement in the war on Iraq while making Fahrenheit 9/11, choosing instead to focus solely on President Bush.
"I struggled with it because, I think, what I decided is that I need to make a separate film about Blair. I need to do something about Blair and Britain."
The film-maker likened the relationship between staunch allies Blair and Bush, to that of an older sibling to his younger brother.
Meanwhile, Moore is preparing for the onslaught of public criticism that could greet Fahrenheit 9/11 when it is released in the US later this month.
Political advisers
He has hired Chris Lehane and Mark Fabiani, two former political advisers to Bill Clinton and Al Gore, to respond to claims that Moore doctored the facts.
"You come at me with anything, we come back with the truth," said Moore.
Moore, who makes no secret of his anti-Bush stance, has said he hopes Americans see Fahrenheit 9/11 before they vote in this year's presidential election.
However, he has yet to give his support to presumed Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry, adding that if Kerry were elected "I'd keep my eye on him, too".
Source: BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3800665.stm)
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I guess there will never be a shortage of malcontent morons in the world, always ready to tear down but never contributing anything positive. Moore is right up there with the worst of that ilk.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I guess there will never be a shortage of malcontent morons in the world, always ready to tear down but never contributing anything positive. Moore is right up there with the worst of that ilk.
2nd that...
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Originally posted by xrtoronto
Director Moore to focus on Blair
"You come at me with anything, we come back with the truth," said Moore.
Moore, who makes no secret of his anti-Bush stance, has said he hopes Americans see Fahrenheit 9/11 before they vote in this year's presidential election.
Source: BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3800665.stm)
Nice to see someone try to railroad an election with a fictitious documentary sold as "fact", and then not have any consequences for lying. The way I remember this this type of behavior, is as defamation and slander with intent to cause harm...
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How DARE you guys question Moore's objectivity??!! Have you no shame??!!
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Anything that makes Bodhi froth at the mouth to the extent he has to post TWICE in 20 minutes in the same thread has to be good......am so looking forward to Nov
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
......am so looking forward to Nov
Me too, the whine will be refreshing and robust. Don't forget to cast your...oh wait.
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Merely interested observer...though I did head off to put the boot into Tony on Thursday - doubt if Moore will make a film about Blair, he'll be gone by Christmas.
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So... why dont you guys like Blair, again?
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Anything that makes Bodhi froth at the mouth to the extent he has to post TWICE in 20 minutes in the same thread has to be good......am so looking forward to Nov
Sorry Schaden, I seperated two seperate thoughts... I know that is hard for your muddled mind to understand, will try to keep everything more run together and jumbled so you can handle it next time... :rolleyes:
:lol
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Originally posted by AKIron
Me too, the whine will be refreshing and robust. Don't forget to cast your...oh wait.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :aok
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
So... why dont you guys like Blair, again?
No one likes a poodle.
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moore is one of those guys that was beat up alot in high school and is now exacting his revenge for self gratification. He doesnt care what he does as long as he throws some fat in the fire so to speak. The sad fact is people take what he says in his "documentarys" as fact.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
No one likes a poodle.
Apparently they did when he was elected?
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He was only elected because the alternative was really, really bad....
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maybe the same 15 people that saw his last film will like this one too.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
He was only elected because the alternative was really, really bad....
Guess you will be using that excuse when Bush is elected over Kerry, eh?
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Shows how much attention I was paying, got the actors wrong, disregard. :)
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Guess you will be using that excuse when Bush is elected over Kerry, eh?
Don't actually think that will happen personally, 41% to 49% Kerry lead with 5 months to go - I'm waiting to see what effect Michael Moore's film will have - think the Prez will drop below 40%?
Anyway - what I think would really, really be funny is that Kerry wins in Nov and in 2012 Hilary stands and wins..... guns get banned, taxes rise to pay for social equality, gas guzzling cars are banned, Kyoto is signed.......basically socialist paradise....might even think of moving over there myself!!
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Don't actually think that will happen personally, 41% to 49% Kerry lead with 5 months to go - I'm waiting to see what effect Michael Moore's film will have - think the Prez will drop below 40%?
Anyway - what I think would really, really be funny is that Kerry wins in Nov and in 2012 Hilary stands and wins..... guns get banned, taxes rise to pay for social equality, gas guzzling cars are banned, Kyoto is signed.......basically socialist paradise....might even think of moving over there myself!!
There'll be plenty of room for ya here as many of us will have moved. Likely the slopes in Hell will be crowded but I was never all that fond of snow skiing.
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Anyway - what I think would really, really be funny is that Kerry wins in Nov and in 2012 Hilary stands and wins..... guns get banned, taxes rise to pay for social equality, gas guzzling cars are banned, Kyoto is signed.......basically socialist paradise....might even think of moving over there myself!!
You'd want to wait until you see which side wins the second Civil War.
;)
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okokok....the guns thing and the gaz guzzlers might be a bit far fetched but Hilary in 2012 is a definite likelehood don't you think?
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Pretty far in the future to be guesstimating.
She's gonna be 65 in 2012; that might be leaving it a bit late.
I think HER best hope is if Bush actually wins; then she'd probably have the nomination in 2008.
If Kerry wins, she'd have a tough time bumping a sitting President off the party platform.
But... 8 years out, anything can happen.
Who knows what tomorrow brings?
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Don't actually think that will happen personally, 41% to 49% Kerry lead with 5 months to go - I'm waiting to see what effect Michael Moore's film will have - think the Prez will drop below 40%?
"5 months to go." I wouldnt put much faith in any poll unless its taken after November 1st. In addition, I wouldnt pin Kerry's hopes on an amature film maker with a flair for the editing table.
Anyway - what I think would really, really be funny is that Kerry wins in Nov and in 2012 Hilary stands and wins..... guns get banned, taxes rise to pay for social equality, gas guzzling cars are banned, Kyoto is signed.......basically socialist paradise....might even think of moving over there myself!! [/B]
Good lord... I bet you'd want to ban boobies, too, wouldnt you?
Savage.
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what a waste of time.
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
"5 months to go." I wouldnt put much faith in any poll unless its taken after November 1st. In addition, I wouldnt pin Kerry's hopes on an amature film maker with a flair for the editing table.
Good lord... I bet you'd want to ban boobies, too, wouldnt you?
Savage.
Actually we get more boobies than you can shake a stick, it's your lot that got their knickers in a twist over Janet jackson's nipple.
Take a look at the biggest selling newspaper in Britain...it's a bit shocking http://www.thesun.co.uk/
Geesh Yeager stop being such a grumpy old fascist.....lighten up a little - less starch in the old brownshirt is my advice.
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Schadenfreude Ive got you bent over and Im giving you the business end of my lovestick as you read this.
ENJOY IT :lol
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phew talk about more information than is actually needed!! So....these gay fantasy's....been having them long?
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Oh, no! Yeager...he's calling you gay! Uh-oh!
Next he'll be talking about your mother!
OMG, whatever will you do!
:rolleyes:
Does anyone realize that most Morons on the street...and that's most of America believe we've actually been losing jobs, and the economy is getting worse, meanwhile, the absolute inverse is true and the economy is moving along so well, the fed is planning on raising rates to curb inflation.
Now, we're got the economy cruising and the Iraqi deal is getting better. We hand over power in 2 weeks. Is Iraq going to get better or worse?
Here are the 2 biggest issues the voters are concerned with. Now, the liberal press is having a blast reporting for the first time that Kerry has a slim lead in a single poll of what..2,000 voters? Of course, it's going to get alot of press. Hell, Dan Rather is pissed a dead Replublican is getting all the press this week and he's not getting enough Doom and Gloom Iraq time!
So what's the bottom line? THe 2 biggest issues are in Bush's favor and getting more so every day. Now, once this message gets to the great unwashed masses, who's polls are going to improve? Bush or Kerry's?
And you know the Bush camp is going to be screaming "Economy" from every hilltop as we get closer to the election.
As my pal Eagler often says:
"Bush in a Landslide!"
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Don't actually think that will happen personally, 41% to 49% Kerry lead with 5 months to go - I'm waiting to see what effect Michael Moore's film will have - think the Prez will drop below 40%?
Anyway - what I think would really, really be funny is that Kerry wins in Nov and in 2012 Hilary stands and wins..... guns get banned, taxes rise to pay for social equality, gas guzzling cars are banned, Kyoto is signed.......basically socialist paradise....might even think of moving over there myself!!
Ditto on what Toad said, and that basically Kerry is a non-entity that is not going to win. The polls will change, guarateed, Michael Moore is going to be spanked for producing a "documentary" and selling it as fact, my bet is the cost to him will be in the 100's of millions, and Hillary will try to beat McCain in 08. McCain will win.
In the end, Kerry just is a two-faced bastage. Everyone knows it, including the m*******s that elected him, the thing is, those that elected him to Senate, are as two-faced as he. Hope he enjoys wasting a bunch of Theresa's money, not like he has ever worked for a living.
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yes, yes we all know you think he's the devil incarnate however I find it difficult to believe that at this stage Bush will still win - has any sitting Pres won an election in the last 60 years with such a low approval rating? I don't think they have.
It would be ironic if the economy, which is improving apart from the cost of oil, doesn't play a part and it all comes down Iraq.
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The average undecided out there (wot this election hinges on) still isn't that familiar with Kerry.
Three things before the election:
1) Kerry chooses a running mate. Automatic jump in polls. Bush already has Cheney, no news there.
2) The conventions. Basically the official introduction of Kerry and the real nitty gritty of electioneering begins. Can only be good for Kerry... as everyone already knows Bush.
3) The debates. As long as Kerry doesn't menacingly creep up behind Bush and look like he's about to strangle the man, Bush is in for a pwning.
So what does an already trailing Bush have to be optimistic about? Something terrible may happen, is all I can think of. Not a happy thing to hang your election hopes on.
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Originally posted by Nash
The average undecided out there (wot this election hinges on) still isn't that familiar with Kerry.
Three things before the election:
1) Kerry chooses a running mate. Automatic jump in polls. Bush already has Cheney, no news there.
2) The conventions. Basically the official introduction of Kerry and the real nitty gritty of electioneering begins. Can only be good for Kerry... as everyone already knows Bush.
3) The debates. As long as Kerry doesn't menacingly creep up behind Bush and look like he's about to strangle the man, Bush is in for a pwning.
So what does an already trailing Bush have to be optimistic about? Something terrible may happen, is all I can think of. Not a happy thing to hang your election hopes on.
Nash, don't be naive.... do you honestly think that Kerry has it wrapped up? LOL, come on man, the election polls are not accurate till around late October... get real, you are smarter than that.
BTW, I believe I lost either way in our bet, looks like the season is a scrub so far.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Nash, don't be naive.... do you honestly think that Kerry has it wrapped up? LOL, come on man, the election polls are not accurate till around late October... get real, you are smarter than that.
I think that it's you and the rest of the extreme warmongering right wingers here wearing the beads of naivete--Bush has done a fine job of alienating moderate Republicans such as myself--you can only hope, like Nash says, that "something terrible may happen."
Bush has lopped off a part of the Republican party that supported him against Gore--he's got his work cut out for him to get even close in the election.
With or without a boob like Moore cheerleading.
h
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
moore is one of those guys that was beat up alot in high school and is now exacting his revenge for self gratification.
It's better than going to school with pipe bombs and guns.
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I honestly do...
The incumbant has the advantage going into these. Yet here, poll numbers being what they are, what do you think is going to turn it around for him?
The three things I mentioned help Kerry.
For example, do you think the undecided are gonna look at the coverage of the Bush convention and say "Wow! Who IS that guy? He's pretty good!". People already know what he's about. The undecideds will get split in two, but my math says that Kerry grabs a larger chunk. I mean, they've had four years to get to know Bush, and yet they still aint sure.
Choosing a running mate nets ya at *least* a state, if not an entire region (the South, for eg.). Kerry's already leading numbers just get bigger - no way around it - just is.
The debates. I'm nervous enough for Bush when he opens his mouth for a no-questions allowed press conference. These debates are prolly gonna shorten the life span of his handlers. The low expectations card is no longer yours to play when you've had four years at the top.
So what am I not factoring in?
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Originally posted by Horn
I think that it's you and the rest of the extreme warmongering right wingers here
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Horn-
I stopped reading anything you wrote right after that stupid sentence.
Way to get someone to listen to your point of view.
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Originally posted by Nash
The average undecided out there (wot this election hinges on) still isn't that familiar with Kerry.
Three things before the election:
1) Kerry chooses a running mate. Automatic jump in polls. Bush already has Cheney, no news there.
2) The conventions. Basically the official introduction of Kerry and the real nitty gritty of electioneering begins. Can only be good for Kerry... as everyone already knows Bush.
3) The debates. As long as Kerry doesn't menacingly creep up behind Bush and look like he's about to strangle the man, Bush is in for a pwning.
So what does an already trailing Bush have to be optimistic about? Something terrible may happen, is all I can think of. Not a happy thing to hang your election hopes on.
1)Disagree...What if he chooses Hillary? There are alot of undecideds that don't like her. What if Bush dumps Cheney and picks up Giuliani as it's being rumored? Still to many variables to say the Veep will give Kerry an automiatic boost.
2) Can only be good for Kerry? Why? Everything he says is going to be gold? He's going to get all the undecideds as soon as he says "Here's my plan?" So far, his only plan is, whatever bush did, I would have done the opposite, after I did it the opposite of that. I dont think this guy has a plan, and the ONLY reason he's getting any votes is, He's NOT Bush. Most people voting for him that I talk to say, I don't really like Kerry, but I hate BUsh. That's the plan?
3) How W do in the Debates against Gore? Well enough to win, apparently. I dont think Kerry is much better, if at all than Gore. Matter of fact, I would have voted for Gore Before Kerry.
Look at it this way.
Who do you suppose Osama, Yasser Arafat, Hussein and Kim Jong Il would vote for if they had a chance?
Right. I'm voting for the other guy.
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wonder if Judas could 've claimed "freedom of speech" at the betrayal ...
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Originally posted by AKIron
I guess there will never be a shortage of malcontent morons in the world, always ready to tear down but never contributing anything positive. Moore is right up there with the worst of that ilk.
Hear hear!!
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Who do you suppose Osama, Yasser Arafat, Hussein and Kim Jong Il would vote for if they had a chance?
Right. I'm voting for the other guy.
Too easy... :)
Basically it's about exposure. That's why the incumbant has the upper hand. The challenger has the summer to grow his share of the electorate enough to surpass that of the incumbant's by the time the election rolls around.
If you're already below the challenger at this point, it's practically game over before it even starts. Because everything that happens now is to the challenger's advantage.
There's no way Kerry would pick Hillary. It's just too much of a science now that I doubt you'll see the kind of Mondale type inspirational choices being made any time soon. There are pretty hard numbers that come attached with each potential VP that do not get ignored. If Hillary DOES get picked, it would be because it's the numerically wise thing to do - so it's not a loss either way.
The debates.... Yer average person doesn't hear a single thing they say. All they use the debates for is to see if the guy talking looks presidential. It's as simple as a "Yeah, I could see him as a president." That's barring any glaring faux pas though... thus the edge has to go to Kerry here.
Kerry doesn't need to spout gold. He just needs more people to hear whatever it is he does say. Those people will be split up between the two candidates, but since Kerry is already more popular he takes the bigger peice of the pie.
Anyways, I may be full of crap, but that's how I see it anyway. What I would be curious to hear is what you think it will take for an already trailing Bush to win.
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Originally posted by Nash
take for an already trailing Bush to win.
Off the top of my head a combo of some of these. More than one, less than all:
McCain as Veep.
Gas prices down in the $1.50 range.
Continued job growth ~250,000 a month, which they've been getting for a few months.
Stock market bounce near 11K, newly "rich" investors buying some big ticket toys in at a steady pace.
Capture Osama.
Iraqis tearfully waving "bye-bye" (some gestures of gratitude anyway) as US troopers leave. Not all of them, just a good start on reducing the troops.
That's just on the Bush side.
There's always the chance that Kerry can seem even more insipid and uninspiring between now and November too. I'm sure he has a few skeletons in his closet, all pols do. They're keeping Kerry's wife under tight wraps too... there's a good reason for that. He has to hope she doesn't slip the leash.
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Yeah those makes sense...
I really don't think low gas prices or a climbing job market will do anything. Just a gut feeling. I think a president needs to point back to at least a solid couple of years of these things. Saying "Hey voters, lookit we've had a few good months here." almost highlights how lousy the previous 45 were.
It's now Kerry's race to lose and he'll need to really blow it. I don't see that happening.
I think it's gotta be something to do with Iraq, Osama and terror in order for Bush to come back.
Kinda like a Spain scenario, but in reverse. Terrorists are coming into the mainstream it seems like.... they're a bona fide factor in the election decisions of free nations. Whodda thunk?
"Who do you suppose Osama, Yasser Arafat, Hussein and Kim Jong Il would vote for if they had a chance? Right. I'm voting for the other guy."
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What will help Bush?
Simple...
Exposure of the facts, which I'm sure the Bush camp is already planning.
Make John Q. Moron aware that the economy that he is so worried about is actually really cruising.
Maybe the average schmuck will stop watching wheel of fortune long enough to read a financial newspaper.
You people do not realize how smart you really are. Even the liberals whom we debate on this board are very intelligent people.
You realize most people in this country don't even know who the Secretary of State is?
Anyway, it comes down to Bush getting the message of his successes out.
Show all the good things happening in Iraq.
Show the prosperous economy.
Make the undecided idiot aware of how good he actually has is and why he should not vote for Ted Kennedy's Biatch.
Simple as that. I may be dumb, but this is how I see it.
4 years of Dubya. I'm safe. I'm prosperous. I'm healthy and happy. I'm voting for him again.
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Originally posted by Nash
The average undecided out there (wot this election hinges on) still isn't that familiar with Kerry.
Three things before the election:
1) Kerry chooses a running mate. Automatic jump in polls. Bush already has Cheney, no news there.
2) The conventions. Basically the official introduction of Kerry and the real nitty gritty of electioneering begins. Can only be good for Kerry... as everyone already knows Bush.
3) The debates. As long as Kerry doesn't menacingly creep up behind Bush and look like he's about to strangle the man, Bush is in for a pwning.
So what does an already trailing Bush have to be optimistic about? Something terrible may happen, is all I can think of. Not a happy thing to hang your election hopes on.
Ok, now that we know how both a Kerry supporter and a Bush supporter view this list, lets look at it from an Independant viewer's perspective.
1.) The running mate either helps him more or hurts him more. I cant imagine him picking a running mate that would hurt him, so lets assume his choice is 'acceptable' and move on. VP doesnt mean anything anyway.
2.) The Convention is not important. I already know Bush. What do you have to say Mr. Kerry? I havent heard all that much yet.
3.) Debates are fun, and we all know Bush isnt exactly slick with the words, but have we even heard Kerry speak, yet? Nah, not really. We know he thinks Bush is bad... but why? We know he thinks he can do better... but why... and more importantly, how? We've had four years to approve or disapprove of Bush, yet Kerry's polls seem to go up the longer he is out of the spotlight and not saying anything. When he's forced to speak, will we hear the same old "Bush is t3h bad?" or will we get some substance beyond "I believe in the people of this country." Time will tell.
Kerry is going to be forced into delivering something of substance sooner than later and Im willing to predict that there is a reason the cameras dont follow him around everywhere; Bush may not speak well, but his words are acceptable - Kerry may speak slightly better, but his words get him into trouble. He'll shoot himself in teh foot ala Dean on more than one occassion, I garauntee. Whether or not the media gives those mistakes much play, of course, is out of our hands.
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"Whether or not the media gives those mistakes much play, of course, is out of our hands."
I'm betting journalists are going to be even more heavy handed with Bush this year than would normally be the case... because 99% of them have been beating themselves up lately over how soft a ride they gave him last election. There's a vast sense of guilt out there atm.... and they're bound to overcompensate.
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Moore is an idiot.....plane and simple....if he were on radio he'd be the rush limbaugh of the librals. Of course for some reason they just cant make it on radio ask Air America........funny thing is they were a libral talk radio station and didnt even provide their employees health care.
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A lot of things can happen between now and November. Kerry may have a lead in the polls at the present time, but he hasn't been through the election meat-grinder yet.
Most Americans prefer a moderate candidate for President. So far, Kerry hasn't faced any really tough questions about his voting record in Congress, which was the most liberal of any member of that august legislative body. The economy is improving and it appears the transition of power to the new Iraqi government will proceed according to schedule. Indeed, I think Kerry will face more of an uphill battle to win or retain votes as the election enters its final two months than Bush will.
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"It's kerry's race to lose" ... LOL
You have a relapse or something? :)
LANDSLIDE BUSH!!
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Originally posted by Nash
I'm betting journalists are going to be even more heavy handed with Bush this year than would normally be the case... because 99% of them have been beating themselves up lately over how soft a ride they gave him last election. There's a vast sense of guilt out there atm.... and they're bound to overcompensate.
LOL - yeah right, that is why they called FLorida for goron before the panhandle had even voted ...
NAsh, you are funny in this thread - LOL
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Thanks you're beautifull don't forget to tip your waitress. I'll be here all week.
No, the journalist thing is true. They feel like sh** about the last election. I also forget to mention how lousy they feel about buying the WMD thing. They generally think they are too smart for that and when the realization sunk in that even they got duped...
It's just not gonna be easy for Bush.
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Horn-
I stopped reading anything you wrote right after that stupid sentence.
Way to get someone to listen to your point of view.
Heh. If the shoe fits....
h
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Originally posted by AKIron
I guess there will never be a shortage of malcontent morons in the world, always ready to tear down but never contributing anything positive. Moore is right up there with the worst of that ilk.
Agree, this toad is nothing more than a carbunkle on the prettythang of society. He can't make it is a director of regular entertainment so he puts out this BS (sorry no other term to use for it).