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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Widewing on June 12, 2004, 11:54:52 AM
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Since its introduction in AH1, the P-51B's main landing gear has been graphically and dynamically incorrectly modeled. It's a very minor glitch, I'll grant you. Nonetheless, it does have an effect on ground handling and, frankly, looks kinda dorky.
I'm hoping that HTC will correct the landing gear angle. It's off by a considerable margin. It creates a nose-high ground stance and shifts the on-ground CG forward, making it excessively prone to nosing over under braking.
(http://home.att.net/~historyworld/Mustang_Gear.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARHG!!!!! *Runs around screaming*
Now seriously that needs to be fixed! Although this post belongs in the bug reporting forum don't you think?
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Originally posted by 33Vortex
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARHG!!!!! *Runs around screaming*
Now seriously that needs to be fixed! Although this post belongs in the bug reporting forum don't you think?
Actually, I wouldn't consider this a bug. Moreover, HTC has enough bug posts to sort thru as it is.
My regards,
Widewing
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My Photo Shows AH2 as being correct, over AH1. :
(http://www.blueorb-gaming.com/philes/posts/DSCF0006.JPG)
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looks ok to me:aok
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Originally posted by 2Hawks
My Photo Shows AH2 as being correct, over AH1. :
The P-51D is correct, the P-51B is wrong. When viewed on the ground, axle centers should be in front of the leading edge, not behind it. See below.
(http://www.flightjournal.com/fj/images/plane_profiles/p-51/p-51b_color.jpg)
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/P-51Bgearstruts.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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You know, this COULD cause a problem when rolling about on the ground... Ppl have reported odd props strikes when taxiing.
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Originally posted by 2Hawks
You know, this COULD cause a problem when rolling about on the ground... Ppl have reported odd props strikes when taxiing.
This is exactly the problem. If you land a P-51D, you can apply full braking while holding full up elevator. The aircraft does not nose over.
With the P-51B, you must greatly modulate braking, even with full up elevator or it noses over. Prop strikes can and do occur as a result.
As I have said, this is a minor issue. What bothers me most is that it looks wrong. Just a pet pieve of mine.. ;)
My regards,
Widewing
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We'll see if we can get it fixed up before release. If not, we'll get to it sometime after that. At some point, I would like to add an Allison Mustang or A-36 and convert the B to a Malcolm hood.
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Great news there !!!!!
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Originally posted by Pyro
We'll see if we can get it fixed up before release. If not, we'll get to it sometime after that. At some point, I would like to add an Allison Mustang or A-36 and convert the B to a Malcolm hood.
Could you do the Malcolm hood P51B as a P51C instead so we got one of each canopy style?
Since you say an 'Allison Mustang' or an A-36, could we have the Allison engined RAF Mustang Mk.IA with 4 x 20mm? Think the USAAF called them F-6A or something like that, armed recon. RAF used them for same purpose - Army Cooperation (AC).
Some references indicate that the USAAF removed the 20mm from their Mustang Mk.IAs when they went to recon use.
Excellent summary of the Mustang: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1999/11/stuff_eng_p51early.htm
Some RAF schemes: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2000/01/stuff_eng_profile_mustang4.htm
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malcolm hood would be outstanding.
oh and the B and C are the same aircraft just different manufacturing lines..
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Great news on the Malcolm hood. Thanks HTC!!!
BTW, I still think the P-51B 3-D model is a little too elongated. Perhaps the image needs to be heightened slightly, and possibly the air intake under the nose needs to be faired off a bit more. In any case, the book images are chubbier-looking.
AH2 image:
(https://home.comcast.net/~mark.hinds/misc_online_storage_dir/ah2_p51d.JPG)
Osprey (book) image:
(https://home.comcast.net/~mark.hinds/misc_online_storage_dir/osprey_p51d_2.JPG)
Squadron/Signal (book)image:
(https://home.comcast.net/~mark.hinds/misc_online_storage_dir/squadron_p51d.JPG)
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Originally posted by Pyro
We'll see if we can get it fixed up before release. If not, we'll get to it sometime after that. At some point, I would like to add an Allison Mustang or A-36 and convert the B to a Malcolm hood.
Thanks Pyro! I'm continuously impressed with the effort you folks make to get things as close to perfect as possible, even with seemingly unimportant details.
Adding the Allison Mustang will be greatly appreciated by many players. Adding the Malcolm hood will be a genuine treat.
Once again, thank you for your extraordinary efforts!
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Hornet
malcolm hood would be outstanding.
oh and the B and C are the same aircraft just different manufacturing lines..
I know, but I'd like to keep the P51B razor back style hood, and the P51D bubble canopy. If they were going to model the Malcolm hood then it's a good opportunity to model it as a P51C instead of replacing the P51B.
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Add the Mustang Ia, we definately need more aircraft with Hizookas.
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Originally posted by Urchin
Add the Mustang Ia, we definately need more aircraft with Hizookas.
LOL, thought it would be a Luftweener that made the first whine! HTC, forget historical planes, just introduce planes with .303s!! ;)
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can someone post a picture of a "malcolm hood" mustang, i have no idea how it looks like.
oh and.. Perk the 4x20mm mustang! :D
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Originally posted by Replicant
LOL, thought it would be a Luftweener that made the first whine! HTC, forget historical planes, just introduce planes with .303s!! ;)
Historical? There were allison mustangs with out hizookas, would that not be "historical"?.
I hope we get the a36.
"It figures a hizooka dweeb would be to the 1st to whine for a hizooka armed Mustang Ia...."
:p
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Originally posted by Wotan
Historical? There were allison mustangs with out hizookas, would that not be "historical"?.
I hope we get the a36.
"It figures a hizooka dweeb would be to the 1st to whine for a hizooka armed Mustang Ia...."
:p
Why do a Allison engined Mustang Mk.I with 2 x .50s and 4 x .303s when you can have a Mustang Mk.IA with 4 x 20mm? The speed should be similar to that of a P40B/D so it's not going to be that fast!
You Luftweenies really need to get a life, if you had a choice of a German plane with MGs or Canon which would you choose? Don't tell me.... the same reason why you don't like the Ju88 cos it's slower or has less guns than other Ju88s. If you get the chance, you request the best of what's on offer, no?
Hizooka dweeb? Yeah, in AH1 definitely, the Typhoon!
If you have a problem with the hizooka then don't whine at me, whine to HTC with proof that it's overmodelled!
Wotan, if you want a tissue then go to your local shop!! :) I fly planes from any country, but you're so obsessed with German planes why do I bother?!
I never hear you complain when I ask for a He177, or a He162, or Ju188, or a Do217.... oh yeah, that's because it's a German plane and not allied! Damn, should have remembered, only allowed to request German planes!!!! :)
If it was a German plane being talked about, I'd want the best too! You're too self-centred!
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Flyboy,
The Malcolm hood looks similar to the canopy used on most Spitfires. See my post above with the 3 images. The 3rd aircraft (with "The Deacon" emblem) has a Malcolm hood.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
can someone post a picture of a "malcolm hood" mustang, i have no idea how it looks like.
oh and.. Perk the 4x20mm mustang! :D
Flyboy,
Birdcage Canopy
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1087164856_p51b_birdcage.jpg)
Malcolm hood Canopy
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1087164878_p51b_malcolm.jpg)
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Originally posted by Replicant
Why do a Allison engined Mustang Mk.I with 2 x .50s and 4 x .303s when you can have a Mustang Mk.IA with 4 x 20mm? The speed should be similar to that of a P40B/D so it's not going to be that fast!
You brought up "historical". I would think HT at some point has to consider modelling planes for AH2:ToD. IMHO an a36 would be better but its not my call. A36's raining bombs down on Pantelleria seems much more "historical" then a hizooka ho machine flying in circles in the main.
You Luftweenies really need to get a life, if you had a choice of a German plane with MGs or Canon which would you choose? Don't tell me.... the same reason why you don't like the Ju88 cos it's slower or has less guns than other Ju88s. If you get the chance, you request the best of what's on offer, no?
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I don't fly Ju88s and I don't care what variant they add or have in AH. But if I had any input as to what type ju88 should be added I would suggest the most common variant; the A-4 (which we have). Not the one that I would think would be the most uber....
Hizooka dweeb? Yeah, in AH1 definitely, the Typhoon!
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The typh is one of the top suicide planes. Ho and auger or pork and auger take your pick.
If you have a problem with the hizooka then don't whine at me, whine to HTC with proof that it's overmodelled!
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Who said any thing about a problem? You use lwhiner and I simply retuned the favor...
Wotan, if you want a tissue then go to your local shop!! :) I fly planes from any country, but you're so obsessed with German planes why do I bother?!
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Save the tissues for self, you are the one crying for more hizookas. I would hate to see your tears if they don't add one.
I never hear you complain when I ask for a He177, or a He162, or Ju188, or a Do217.... oh yeah, that's because it's a German plane and not allied! Damn, should have remembered, only allowed to request German planes!!!! :)
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Who is it you think you are replying to?
I don't fly bombers and don't care if more are added to the game or not, be they German or whatever.
I wouldn't ask for any of those planes. If I had to make a suggestion along those lines then I would suggest an he-111, a Ju-88 A-1, Do-17z etc... Planes that can fill wholes for AH2:ToD and for events.
If it was a German plane being talked about, I'd want the best too! You're too self-centred!
There is no hiding my bias'. I fly the F4 G2 and mostly the G6. I fly with 1 mg151.
I don't care what anyone flies. I don't care about any wunderwaffe planes or any allied super plane. I do think planes like the typh and p51d are garbage planes and complete waste of space in the game based on how most are flown. (there are of course exceptions)
I don't care about flying the "best", I fly what I like. If Pyro asked what 109 would I would want tomorrow I would say a 109G-14 please or bar that a 109F-2. Hardly the "bestest" or even the "bestest armed". I have said that I would be fine if both the G-10/K-4 and d9 were perked. The mere talk about perking your typh had you contacting pyro to cut umm off at the pass...
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Originally posted by Wotan
Historical? There were allison mustangs with out hizookas, would that not be "historical"?.
I hope we get the a36.
"It figures a hizooka dweeb would be to the 1st to whine for a hizooka armed Mustang Ia...."
:p
I would like the A-36 or the P-51A. Either would be a nice addition, especially for scenarios. As for the P-51/Mustang Mk.Ia (with quad Hispanos), I suspect it would be over-used, thus resulting in being perked. I have no doubts that the P-51A would more than hold its own in the MA. It's not a great deal slower than the P-51B on the deck (about 340 mph), and should pull 390 mph up at 20,000 feet. Maneuverability should be better than the P-51B, which is no slouch.
Did you guys know that the original XP-51B was converted from one of the Hispano Mustangs? Of course, the AAF specified four .50s and the Hispanos were history. Would make for an interesting "what if" though.
My regards,
Widewing
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Re: Hispanos.
It seems to me that my Hispanos don't kill as quickly in AH2 as the did in AH1. In AH1 a brief crossing shot tended to disintegrate my target unless it was a bomber. In AH2 I have had quite a few aircraft survive such shots.
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Originally posted by Widewing
As for the P-51/Mustang Mk.Ia (with quad Hispanos), I suspect it would be over-used, thus resulting in being perked.
I very much doubt it would be overused or perked, wouldn't it be similar to the Hurricane IIC?
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Originally posted by Wotan
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Arguing on this BBS isn't going to help anything or anyone, lets get it back on topic - Mustang!!
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" wouldn't it be similar to the Hurricane IIC?"
Yeah ;) If you removed the spark from 4 of it's 12 Allison cylinders maybe ;)
The Mustang Mk.Ia (with 4 hizookas( would excell at low altitude aircombat. Right where most of the combat in the MA is found.
Fast, brutally armed and more than maneuverable enough to take on the 109/190... The whines would deafen a brass monkey.
ooops. Just saw Wotan had this covered prety much with
"hizooka ho machine flying in circles in the main"
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Originally posted by Westy
" wouldn't it be similar to the Hurricane IIC?"
Yeah ;) If you removed the spark from 4 of it's 12 Allison cylinders maybe ;)
The Mustang Mk.Ia (with 4 hizookas( would excell at low altitude aircombat. Right where most of the combat in the MA is found.
Fast, brutally armed and more than maneuverable enough to take on the 109/190... The whines would deafen a brass monkey.
ooops. Just saw Wotan had this covered prety much with
"hizooka ho machine flying in circles in the main"
Well if I thought I was going to upset so many people just by asking for a plane I think I'll ask for a Sopwith Camel next time! :)
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Upset with you?
You enter a thread make accussations and when those are turned around on you you play victim...
Poor you...
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I'm not upset. J ust lending my voice to discussion about the the impact the plane would have. (in an MA environment)
I personally am for any and ALL WWII fighter that entered production and were deployed to units.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Upset with you?
You enter a thread make accussations and when those are turned around on you you play victim...
Poor you...
Okay Sturmbahnfuhr!
Originally posted by Wotan
You brought up "historical". I would think HT at some point has to consider modelling planes for AH2:ToD. IMHO an a36 would be better but its not my call. A36's raining bombs down on Pantelleria seems much more "historical" then a hizooka ho machine flying in circles in the main.
I wouldn't mind an A-36A either, but seeing that it would have 6 x .50s and 2 x 500lbs and slower than the P-51D I can't say it would be used as much as the Mustang Mk.IA. The A-36 were fewer than the P-51A too.
The typh is one of the top suicide planes. Ho and auger or pork and auger take your pick.
It might be, but I don't suicide and what does that have to do with hispano?
Who said any thing about a problem? You use lwhiner and I simply retuned the favor...
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It just seems that the Luftwhiners are only interested in:
a) German planes
b) What they face in German planes
I on the other hand welcome any new addition to AH whether it be Japanese, US, Soviet, German etc. I was purely asking for a variant but the selfish people automatically start to whine 'I DON'T WANT THAT AND DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE TO EITHER'. Boo hoo!
Save the tissues for self, you are the one crying for more hizookas. I would hate to see your tears if they don't add one.
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If you're unhappy with 'hizookas' then complain to HTC or don't you have enough evidence or are purely too scared to? Seems again like 'WE HAVE CRAP GUNS NO ONE ELSE IS ALLOWED TO HAVE BETTER GUNS' syndrome. More Tissues sent to you.
I wouldn't ask for any of those planes. If I had to make a suggestion along those lines then I would suggest an he-111, a Ju-88 A-1, Do-17z etc... Planes that can fill wholes for AH2:ToD and for events.[/b]
I've asked for many German planes, including the ones above, but as soon as I mention He-111, Do-17, Ju-52, He-129 etc., many Luftwaffe pilots say they don't want them because they'd never get used and would be useless in the MA and forget about the CT and AH2: TOD. I'd love to see them, the He-111 and Do-17 are two of the most important German planes ever made. To counter their claim I've also requested the He-162, He-177, Me-410, Do-217, and Ju-290.
I don't care what anyone flies. I don't care about any wunderwaffe planes or any allied super plane. I do think planes like the typh and p51d are garbage planes and complete waste of space in the game based on how most are flown. (there are of course exceptions)[/b]
Well, you're entitled to your opinions, but you've just proved that you do care what people fly and don't want these type of planes included because 'they're' overused. Well, that's because you fly for a Luftwaffe squad, and probably the Knight or Rook country? I fly Bishop. Bishops have a lot of RAF squads so you probably see a lot of Typhoons. I very rarely see the Typhoon since there are a lot of Luftwaffe squads in Rook/Knightland. I expect to see many 109s and 190s which I see as much as N1K2s and La7s but I don't whine about it, I just accept it. I've been flying the Typhoon since it was the real life squadron plane of 56 Sqn.
So don't come the 'I don't care what anyone flies' routine, of course you do! You say that the P51 and Tiffy are garbage planes... you want to remove them, then people move onto another plane. You then don't like the next 'two' planes and then they're garbage planes....
It isn't the plane, it's the pilot numbskull!
The mere talk about perking your typh had you contacting pyro to cut umm off at the pass...[/b]
Well, true, Kweassa's idea was frowned upon to put it mildly, not just by me I might add!
Anyway, enough of the BS, this thread is about the Mustang so lets get back on topic!! :aok (<--is this emoticon allowed or you lost your sense of humour too? ;))
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Originally posted by Westy
I personally am for any and ALL WWII fighter that entered production and were deployed to units.
Exactly, I don't care if it's French, Romanian, Japanese, Finnish, US or even German! The more the merrier, well, perhaps only if it doesn't have hizookas!
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thnks for the quick answer guys :)
will the malcolm hood change the performence of the plane?
my guess it causes more drag?
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You have no idea what planes I have suggested for AH. Here's a hint (and you can do a search).
1. Japanese
2. Russian.
Please quote where I have suggested other wise.
The top 5 planes I enjoy fighting against in AH are:
1. La7 / La5
2. Spits
3. Yaks
4. Niki
5. Zeke
I also like flying the A6M5.
"Unhappy about hizookas"...
Please quote where you think I have said that. You may think "Hizooka" implies something but it doesn’t. It’s just an exaggerated description and has nothing to do with how they are modeled in AH. I even call umm hizookas in IL2. I believe it was Urchin that coined the term. I think its hilarious when I ever I read it.
Hizooka!!!!
I don't care what planes you have asked for outside of this thread.
My reply to Pyro when he said he was considering an Allison mustang or a36 was:
Great news there!!!!!
My preference of the A36 is because I saw some good pics of Pantelleria after be attacked by a36s. Also in the Sicily event the a36 would have plugged right in. But a p51a is fine as well.
At least have the integrity to be truthful in your arguments.
And yes kweassa's scheme was bad; I like the perk system just the way it is...
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type of planes included because 'they're' overused
You are talking out your arse. I never use words like "over used" and in fact made a point of showing to Bozon in another thread how stupid that is.
You make all sorts of assumptions and I am wondering if you even read wth the other guy has said before responding.
I am not "against" any plane being added. But the reality is not every plane that participated in ww2 will make it, nor is every one needed.
If HT adds the Mustang Mk.IA then it may mean that it will be the only "Allison Mustang" we will see for some time.
It won’t make any difference in the main in the main but it won’t help in areas like events and ToD.
If the Mk.IA were added I wouldn’t want it to be perked but even with the hizookas there will be “better planes” perked or unperked.
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My apologies! I misread your 'how they're used' as 'over used'!
However, all I was doing was asking for a Mustang Mk.IA and all hell broke loose! I couldn't care less what plane we get but if you don't ask then you can't complain that you didn't try.
As for the A-36A, I have been asking for that too, perhaps more than the Mustang Mk.IA. Ever since I saw one at Duxford a few years ago I fell in love with it. I just felt that it wouldn't be survivable as the other variant which could mean it becomes a hangar queen, unless it's used for TOD use of course!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1087238743_101-0170_img.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1087238756_101-0170_img.jpg)
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Originally posted by Wotan
If HT adds the Mustang Mk.IA then it may mean that it will be the only "Allison Mustang" we will see for some time.
Out of curiosity, how would you compare the Mustang Mk.IA to the P-40B and P-40E? I haven't a clue if it would be similar to the P-40E, or inbetween the 'B' and 'E' or superior to the P-40E?
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Originally posted by Flyboy
oh and.. Perk the 4x20mm mustang! :D
If it's got an Allison there's no need to perk it, its already porked :D
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Originally posted by Flyboy
thnks for the quick answer guys :)
will the malcolm hood change the performence of the plane?
my guess it causes more drag?
Actually they found that the airflow was smoother around the malcom hood, so less drag.
It wouldn't break my heart to end up with a B model without the fin fillet and the regular canopy, a C model with the Malcom hood and added dorsal fin fillet, and of course the D that is already there.
Dan/Slack
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1087259402_3ofakind.jpg)