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Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Widewing on June 13, 2004, 10:41:42 AM
Well, if you see this closing on your six, you'll dislike it even more!

(http://home.att.net/~historyworld/P-40Mnose2.jpg)



(http://home.att.net/~historyworld/P-40M.jpg)


Took these shots yesterday.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on June 13, 2004, 10:53:13 AM
N model?
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Widewing on June 13, 2004, 12:16:41 PM
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
N model?


P-40M. The M model had the extended fuselage like N, but was much closer to the P-40K. It was fitted with reinforced ailerons and a different dash number of the Allison V-1710, the -81 to be specific. Most P-40Ms were sent to the RAF, who designated them the Kittyhawk III. About 150 were retained for the USAAF.

This aircraft is based at the American Airpower Museum at Republic Airport (formally the home of Republic Aviation) in Farmingdale, Long Island. It is flown frequently.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Octavius on June 13, 2004, 02:03:48 PM
Beautiful shots!!
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: jodgi on June 13, 2004, 03:05:27 PM
It's good looks is the only thing that bird has going for it ;)
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Wadke on June 13, 2004, 03:16:16 PM
:D
Beautiful Teeth!
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: DiabloTX on June 13, 2004, 03:47:42 PM
The P-40's of the AVG single-handedly got me interested in WWII aviation when I was 6 years old.  It may be a dog in many ways but its the epitome of a fighter at a crucial time in American aviation history.

(http://www.warbirdsovernewzealand.com/ClassicFighters2001/P-40_cf005.jpg)

(http://www.warbirdsovernewzealand.com/Ardmore2002/P-40_72730029.jpg)
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Wadke on June 13, 2004, 11:48:40 PM
Formation of P-40s

(http://www.1000pictures.com/aircraft/wwii-ftr/Tigers.jpg)
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 14, 2004, 02:49:11 AM
I've always thought the P-40 was one of the most beautiful warbirds made.



ack-ack
Title: Re: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: mechanic on June 15, 2004, 09:39:05 PM
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Originally posted by Widewing
Well, if you see this closing on your six, you'll dislike it even more!

(http://home.att.net/~historyworld/P-40Mnose2.jpg)



(http://home.att.net/~historyworld/P-40M.jpg)


Took these shots yesterday.

My regards,

Widewing


not trying to start trouble or nothing, but if you took those shots yesterday, i asume you own a company called 'Jordan publishing' or are a member of it or something.

beautifull pics though, everyone.

What a plane the p40 is! dont care what the AH comunity thinks, its a beast. period

i keep trying to land kills in them, but fail misserably :)

its only downside was that stupid scene in the film 'Pearl
Harbour'. someone really should have trained those japs how to vulch  :rofl
Title: Re: Re: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: debuman on June 15, 2004, 10:03:36 PM
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Originally posted by mechanic

its only downside was that stupid scene in the film 'Pearl
Harbour'. someone really should have trained those japs how to vulch  :rofl [/B]


WHICH stupid scene in Pearl Harbor?  
The p-40's flying knife edge between the hangars?
The statement by Rafe - "P-40's can't outrun Zero's - we'll just have to out fly them!"
Etc. - numerous others, but would have to watch the movie again to recall them....:(
Title: Re: Re: Re: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: mechanic on June 15, 2004, 10:28:42 PM
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Originally posted by debuman
WHICH stupid scene in Pearl Harbor?  
The p-40's flying knife edge between the hangars?
The statement by Rafe - "P-40's can't outrun Zero's - we'll just have to out fly them!"
Etc. - numerous others, but would have to watch the movie again to recall them....:(


no no man, it was cool to watch. im not slagging it off (much) but come on now, they would never have made it off the ground. no way. definitely not. never. ever. :D
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Ecliptik on June 15, 2004, 11:03:31 PM
Actually several P-40's did make it off the ground at Pearl Harbor and successfully engaged and destroyed a number of Japanese aircraft.

"Despite the effective Japanese counter-air effort, a few Army P-40 and P-36 pursuit ships got airborne, including some from the small, and untargeted, airfield at Haleiwa on Oahu's north coast. These shot down perhaps as many as eleven enemy planes of the second attack wave, losing four of their number in return, two while taking off and one to American anti-aircraft fire while returning to base."

The scene in the crappy Pearl Harbor movie seems loosely based on the actions of Lieutenants George Welch and Ken Taylor, who were able to get in the air and shoot down 6 aircraft in their P-40's.  Welch got 4, Taylor 2.

http://www.acepilots.com/usaaf_welch.html
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Widewing on June 15, 2004, 11:25:55 PM
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Originally posted by Ecliptik
http://www.acepilots.com/usaaf_welch.html


Better yet, try this link... George Welch: Tiger of Pearl Harbor (http://home.att.net/~historyzone/Welch1.html)

My regards,

Widewing
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Shuckins on June 15, 2004, 11:29:45 PM
What's really stupid about that statement by Rafe was the fact that no Army pilot knew what a Zero was before December 7.
Title: Re: Re: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Widewing on June 15, 2004, 11:44:25 PM
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Originally posted by mechanic
not trying to start trouble or nothing, but if you took those shots yesterday, i asume you own a company called 'Jordan publishing' or are a member of it or something.

beautifull pics though, everyone.
 


Yes, I do own Jordan Publishing. :)

I took many photos this past Saturday. The trick was taking a shot without some grossly overweight woman in Bermuda shorts lurking in the background or some oblivious geek tripping over my tripod. LOLOLOL....

I'll post more in the near future. As it is, I have nearly 18,000 digital images in the archive, many scanned from various museum and private collections, such as this photo of the only flyable P-40C. Tom Cleaver took the photo, forwarded it to me and I cleaned it up a bit. The tailwheel doors had not closed completely, requiring a rigging change. I closed them thru the marvel of digital manipulation. :)

(http://home.att.net/~ww2aircraft/tiger11A.jpg)

My regards,

Widewing
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: straffo on June 16, 2004, 01:53:25 AM
Widewing do you have by chance some pict of hawker typhoon ?
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Stratocaster on June 16, 2004, 08:04:52 AM
NO that mouth wouldnt phase me becsue in any "real" aircraft I would be to far away to see it and it would be a flaming wreck
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: HavocTM on June 16, 2004, 10:23:06 AM
Here is a nice article about our local P-40 owner, Rudy Frasca.

http://frasca.com/pdf/CAT03article.pdf

I took my pilot training there and worked the line for a while.  He is a cantankerous old fart, but has quite a warbird collection.

P-40
Wildcat
SNJ
T-34
Zero (appeared in Tora, Tora, Tora and 1941 with John Belushi.  Rudy says John Belushi spilled a Pepsi in the cockpit while filming.)
Fiat ?? - It has a Russian radial engine and the c202 paint job.  Not sure what model
Spit Mk XVIII (I think)

Among others...  He invented the Frasca flight simulator back in the day.  He is a multimillionaire now.
Title: Re: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: frank3 on June 16, 2004, 01:51:18 PM
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Originally posted by Widewing
Well, if you see this closing on your six, you'll dislike it even more!


I always liked the P-40

Tho with that one on my tail I would re-consider that...

The Kittyhawk always had this....muscular look, it looks powerfull and nimble
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: -tronski- on June 17, 2004, 04:16:55 AM
Plenty of Aussies, and Kiwis flew them, so that can't be that bad...

 Tronsky
Title: Re: Re: Re: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: streakeagle on June 17, 2004, 07:08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Widewing
Yes, I do own Jordan Publishing. :)

I took many photos this past Saturday. The trick was taking a shot without some grossly overweight woman in Bermuda shorts lurking in the background or some oblivious geek tripping over my tripod. LOLOLOL....

I'll post more in the near future. As it is, I have nearly 18,000 digital images in the archive, many scanned from various museum and private collections, such as this photo of the only flyable P-40C. Tom Cleaver took the photo, forwarded it to me and I cleaned it up a bit. The tailwheel doors had not closed completely, requiring a rigging change. I closed them thru the marvel of digital manipulation. :)

(http://home.att.net/~ww2aircraft/tiger11A.jpg)

My regards,

Widewing


The P-40B & P-40C still look the best to me, especially in AVG colors. I have enjoyed it so much since Hitech added it to the planeset :)
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: hogenbor on June 17, 2004, 10:34:38 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
Widewing do you have by chance some pict of hawker typhoon ?


Straffo, I believe there exists only one remaining Hawker Typhoon and it is in the RAF museum in Hendon.

I'm an amateur photographer (amateur as in 'not making any money with it' ;) ) and I have a picture of it. It's from my analogue days so  if you want it it would take some digging in old negatives and scanning. It is not too great though, Hendon has extremely dim lighting (which is understandable if you see what's there).
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: straffo on June 17, 2004, 02:00:53 PM
That would be very kind :)
Thanks
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: Widewing on June 17, 2004, 07:45:19 PM
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Originally posted by straffo
Widewing do you have by chance some pict of hawker typhoon ?


I have a few war-time photos. One is rather interesting as the Tiffie is parked by a barn being serviced.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: ya say you don't like the P-40??!!
Post by: straffo on June 21, 2004, 11:33:27 AM
good can you send it to me : fdejager(at)club-internet.fr