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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: 68DevilM on June 13, 2004, 04:42:14 PM
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my frame rate sucks in ah2 during dogfighting! anyway to improve this? would expect this if there were mulitple cons but im talking one on one. fps's drop from the norm of like 24 fps to the front 30 on the sides horrible to the rear and like 89 looking up to 12 during dogfighting, have already upgraded my video card and ram from a geforce 64 mb to what i have now and from 256 mb ram to what i have now in order to be able to play the new ah2 version hopefully i wont need a super computer inorder to play this game, or as they say "another one bites the dust"...
emachines t2482
windows xp
amd athlon 2400
1.99 ghz
768 mb ram
radeon 9200 128 mb ddr
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DevilM
you may just need to tweak your settings and update your dirvers for your video card ( there is a new Cat driver out Cat4.6 ) etc.....
I am running
athlonXP1700 256 meg ram
Ati Radeon9000 64 DDR
and am getting normally 60 to 80 + dropping to 27+ in hvy multiplane furballs over smoking bases.
new video drivers can be found here:
Ait Video Drivers (http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html)
also try using 256 or 512 size textures and screen res of 1024x768
people on the boards here could help more if they new what settings you had for your video in the game, etc....
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The 9200 is a pretty low end card. Reduce the texture size in Aces High II, set the video to 1024x768, adjust the sliders in the graphic details towards the performance side.
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Skuzzys rite. I have a 9200ATI readon 128 and all I did was adjust the Quality settings in the ati software on click before the end towards performance. I get a steady 70 to 80 fps in a big furball mabye down to 60fps in AH2
Jazbo
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cool ill try it tonight thanks guy, ill let ya know it it works or if i need more assistance;)
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dont know witch video card to pick
choices are radeon family, rage 128 pro family, rage 128 family, or rage pro family? and when i downloaded a couple and installed got error message sayinf display driver is not campatible with display adapters installed in your system?
the box the card came is labled radeon 9200
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9200ati is a low end card? I thought radion only made the good stuff.
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Radeon is a generic name plate for ATI's current line of cards. In that line are many performance options. The 9000 to the X800 series.
The 9000, 9100, 9200 cards are the low end of the line.
The 9500, 9600 cards are midrange.
The 9700 and higher are the top end.
Anything with an 'SE' desgnator drops a level in the performance tier. A 9800SE is about as fast as a 9600XT.
Anything with an XT is the top of the line for that numerical model number.
The opposite is true of NVidia (have to love marketing). In the NVidia line, the XT is the lowest performer in the product line, the SE are the average performers, and the Ultra is the higher end performer.
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DISCLAIMER: This information is provided 'as is' and does not imply a recommendation for any given product.
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Ok skuzzy in the Nvidia class, where does the fx model fall? Highest of the high end or lowsest of the low end:)
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great so i have a crappy video card:mad:
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The FX line is comprised of the 5200 through 6850 (the 6800 series is starting to trickle into the market).
The 5200 being the slowest and the 6850Ultra being the fastest.
With very few exceptions, the 256MB versions of video cards use slower ram and perform slower than the comparable 128MB video card version. The current exceptions to this are the ATI 9800XT and the NVidia 5850Ultra (more new ones are on the way in this category).
Video cards use very expensive ram, so to keep the purchase price within reasonable limits, the video card companies compromise the performance by using cheaper, slower rams, on the 256MB video cards.
In general, you get what you pay for, in terms of video cards today. If you pay $80 U.S., or less, for a video card today, you really need to lower your expectations of what that video card will perform like. Ignore the marketing on the box as it is there to entice you to purchase it.
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DISCLAIMER: This information is provided 'as is' and does not imply a recommendation for any given product.
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No its not a crappy card:) it runs great on my machine. And it only cost me 75.00. Heres a link that might help
http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html
you might need to uninstall old driver and software. Or try reistalling the driver that came with the card then try installing the new one
Jazbo
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also I forgot my card has the DDR ram type as do my Ram chips. A friend of mine says this is problay the best type out for all around game compatibilty
Jazbo
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welp after some aggonizing hours after my comp crahed and had to format hard drive and start over agian, i got it all working better, but as far as the freezeing during combat manuvering? still no better i was at 120 fps in ah1 and 30's and 40's in ah2
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Well Darn it skuzzy, I Guess then that 50 fps in AH2 is pretty good considering I have a Nvidia5200fx 256 card that plugs into a PCI slot LOL.
Only problem i have is a furball in the beta, and I think once you guys tighten up the bandwidth, that might improve too. Plus I still need to shut off a lot of Apps useing the computer when i play anyway LOL
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I never said the 5200 was a bad card. I said it is the slowest of the FX line, and it is.
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The performance of your system overall in AH depends most heavily on two things: The CPU and the video card. Using a lower speed CPU with a higher end video card most likely will not garner you any more video performance (and vice versa). Case in point: My Athlon XP 2100+ system. I get nearly identical frame rates and performance (at the same graphics settings) whether I use my GeForce3 TI-4200 or RADEON 9800 Pro video card, even though the RADEON is a lot more "powerful". In this case, the Athlon XP 2100+ processor is the bottle neck.
On my new Athlon 64 3200 system, the GeForce3 TI-4200 performance is nearly double what it was in the XP 2100+ system. In average graphics situations (i.e. no more than a few planes nearby) I'm getting 150+ fps with 4x anti-aliasing turned on (anisotropic filtering and mip mapping off). With the RADEON 9800 Pro, the same settings yield a fairly consistent 250-300 fps (and I've briefly seen 425+ in clear sky with nothing around). Heavy graphics drag everything down, but the RADEON will usually keep the frame rate above 100 no matter what's going on.
The RADEON on the XP 2100+ platform rarely exceeded 150 fps and was down in the 40's in heavy graphics.
So, the CPU is very important to frame rate, as much so as the video card.
System memory is important to a point. If you are running less than 512MB, then adding more memory may help, but after 512MB, you won't see much difference.
As Skuzzy pointed out, the 256MB cards use slower DDR memory than the 128MB cards...slower being a relative term here. The DDR memory used in video cards is faster than the DDR memory you use in your system. The newer video cards are using stuff on the order of a few nanoseconds.
If you are trying to decide between a 128MB video card and a 256MB card, the 128MB is the way to go. There aren't any games (that I'm aware of) that make full use of 256MB of video memory...not to say there aren't any out there, but AH is definitely not one of them. Some of the hardcore Quake gamers, or Half-life, etc may see a performance gain with the 256MB cards, but for the most part, 128MB of video memory is plenty (and faster!).
The settings you choose for your video will have a great impact on frame rate as well. When you start using anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering, and mip mapping, things go downhill quickly. Try turning off anisotropic filtering and mip mapping and at most, use 2x anti-aliasing. If that doesn't help, turn off anti-aliasing completely as well. Set your video to lean toward performance instead of quality and you'll begin to see the trade offs. Experiment a little and you'll find a happy medium.
If you have an XP 2400+ cpu, then consider the GeForce3 TI-4200 (about $65 these days) or better card and you should have pretty good performance all around.
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all of you posting FR over 120 (the max i know of for a moniter refresh rate) are seeing false readings.
it is not possible to get a frame rate higher than your moniter refresh rate (how many times per second it draws the screen).
you really need to turn ON vsync.
if your moniter is at 85hz then the max FR you will ever really get is 85. ditto with 120hz, 75hz, 72hz, or even 60hz.
the biggest question is can you get a stable 85 FR for example.
thats the trouble im getting into. FR is fine in the 70's mid air, but put more than 6 planes in the field of view and im down to 22-35 FR.
oh well good luck on it all.
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well I guess a slow vid card and a slow computer make a good slow pair LOL.
Darn computer is only 1 gig in speed. But for what i use it for I guess I can consider it fast cause its faster than I am LOl
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ok guess the slowness with the fps's was just because we were in beta and i fiddled with some graphic controls, but i still get crappy picture whilst dogfighting
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i played bata had no prb with fr 75 to 90 tonite was doing good to get 50 fr not to speek of the CTD i got every 30 tto 40 min and whats with the fuel (we/squad mates) pork a bace to try to slow down the bish hit all fuel and its still 125% and the guns are way off lets go back to bata was much better
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i was playing and i was at 60 FR the i jumped to the tower in a base with a few cons and bam my frame rate was at 7 the highest it got was 12. same happened to my squad mate. i'm running a 9600SE as i read thats a mid range card. dunno how else to get them up again its been like this ever since i got on.:mad:
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Originally posted by nirvana
i was playing and i was at 60 FR the i jumped to the tower in a base with a few cons and bam my frame rate was at 7 the highest it got was 12. same happened to my squad mate. i'm running a 9600SE as i read thats a mid range card. dunno how else to get them up again its been like this ever since i got on.:mad:
we are not alone:( :mad: :( :confused:
could be good post (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1266561#post1266561)
something has to be done
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Somethings got to be amiss with your setting bro. I have a to say the least a mid-range puter and the lowest I have ever got to is 25fps in a tank with about 10 others around me and about 10 planes above me. I usually stay rite around 60fps depending on which plane Im flying (yes this does matter alot) but never droped below 55fps even in a giant furball. mabye somethings runnin in the background of your puter doin this. I know any anti-virus program runnin messes thing up espacaily internet secruity. I shut off ALL extras when I fly. If we are both online at the sametime mabye I can lend ya a hand:aok
Jazbo
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I get the same fps in AH2 on line and offline both, Depending on the room, I get up to 70 fps with a refresh rate of 75, but I have had real low fps in a furball, and I still get 4 fps on carriers no matter if theres other people around or not, both on line and off line. I think its just the slow computer
EMachine 1 gig.
Directx 9.0
NVidea 5200fx,
256 meg memory
antivirus off.
Messanger off
error reporting off
everything else on
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for some strange reason? when i upped an 262 today my fps dropped to 19 and there was nobody around?
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JB73, that's not necessarily true. The point of running with the vsync off is to see maximum frame rates produced by your video card. This is a good indicator of the overall performance your card is capable of.
The higher the frame rate it shows, then the better it will be in heavier graphics situations. Think of it more as an indicator than anything.
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Agree with Warp on the CPU thing. I have an ATI 9700 Pro / 768mb SDRAM and average 35-65 fps --- but I have a P3 1gig processor. I'm almost positive if i had a 2gig + processor I'd average 85-100 area. Don't need it tho, anything over 30 fps is fine by me. I'm sure as they add more candy I'll have to upgrade (been thinking about it sometime) but I digress.
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I'm not sure where I stand on this considering I may not be using my video card to it's full extent. Here's my specs and my fps in AH2.
MSI KT4V Motherboard
1.5 Gig 333Mhz RAM
XP 2700+ CPU
Radeon 9800XT
SBLive Audigy 2 Platinum
Sony HMD A-400 Monitor Max Res 1600x1200
Adelphia 500/3mb
With the sliders all the way to the right, resolution 1280x1024 ground object slider all the way right and F1 set, 63 or so flying without much around then goes down to 40s over land and in the 30s when alot is going on. Now if I set F2 my frame rates stay up in the 70s until a ton of stuff is going on. Not bad but it helps my fps alot. I just don't understand how and why with the system I have my fps are so low even with low resolution and details set to the right. If your having problems though with your fps hit shift F2 and it helps alot.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
I'm not sure where I stand on this considering I may not be using my video card to it's full extent. Here's my specs and my fps in AH2.
MSI KT4V Motherboard
1.5 Gig 333Mhz RAM
XP 2700+ CPU
Radeon 9800XT
SBLive Audigy 2 Platinum
Sony HMD A-400 Monitor Max Res 1600x1200
Adelphia 500/3mb
With the sliders all the way to the right, resolution 1280x1024 ground object slider all the way right and F1 set, 63 or so flying without much around then goes down to 40s over land and in the 30s when alot is going on. Now if I set F2 my frame rates stay up in the 70s until a ton of stuff is going on. Not bad but it helps my fps alot. I just don't understand how and why with the system I have my fps are so low even with low resolution and details set to the right. If your having problems though with your fps hit shift F2 and it helps alot.
Trash that computer and get a new one Cobra its old................lol j/k :lol
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maybe its just certain days because the other day i was getting great frame rates almost the hole time......its insane:confused: