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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: daddog on March 09, 2000, 08:24:00 AM
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The 332nd Flying Mongrels is considering a move to Aces High from their home of Warbirds. Our home for over 2 1/2 years.
This is not a move we take lightly. For over 3 years I have been flying Warbirds and have a lot of friends there, as many in our squad do. I am not here to bash Warbirds or drag out their problems of late, nor is that what I am looking for. I am interested in comments favoring Aces High over Warbirds, and why you feel that way.
Thanks ahead of time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
daddog
100th and 301st Squadrons
332nd Flying Mongrels (http://www.ropescourse.org/flying.htm)
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I like Aces High over Warbirds
1.The price is far better.
2.I realy like the FM's much better here.
3.The view system here is great you can adjust your view to your likeing no you to the game kinda like a real plane. (seats werent solid in real airplanes)
4.The fuel usage in the arena makes you stay on your toes and you can manualy configure tank usage.
5.The combat seems to be much harder here like maybe the best from everywhere is here.
6.The community is very freindly here everyone can and do help others. Kinda like its our game here not just HTC.
7.The main reason are the planes they just feel better and I personally like the late model planes allthough I will play with the older ones too.
Not to mention that everyday you can see the HTC gang online so when they are late with an update you can go throw lead at them and make them go back to work, except HT himself you throw lead at him you better have company hell whoop you.
Aces High is limited at the moment but growing faster the you can imagine. In less then 4 months we have gone from 4 planes to what we have now. With more to come. H2H of up to 8 players is supposed to be coming (4 to 8 not sure of the number). A half track is on the drawing board to defend the bases. Manu other planes that they wont tell us about yet but some never before modeled.
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Tommy (INDIAN) Toon
1st Aces High Trainer Crew
Home of The Allied Fighter Wing A.F.W.
A.F.W. Homepage (http://www.geocities.com/~tltoon)
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Cant say it much better than indian.
The biggest factor for me is the updates, often and substantial. I had a problem a while back and emailed pyro and got a responce back within an hour! Plus the price cant be beat. Also, my connections are better here, at least for me, . All else is irrelevant when your connection sucks.
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Originally posted by daddog:
The 332nd Flying Mongrels is considering a move to Aces High from their home of Warbirds. Our home for over 2 1/2 years.
This is not a move we take lightly. For over 3 years I have been flying Warbirds and have a lot of friends there, as many in our squad do. I am not here to bash Warbirds or drag out their problems of late, nor is that what I am looking for. I am interested in comments favoring Aces High over Warbirds, and why you feel that way.
Thanks ahead of time. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
daddog
100th and 301st Squadrons
332nd Flying Mongrels (http://www.ropescourse.org/flying.htm)
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Daddog:
The FM rocks and the graphics are wonderful. Once you come to AH, WB will feel like Nintendo.
However, you MUST keep in mind that AH is still being developed. You must be tolerant of incomplete FM's, lack of strategy, limited plane set..etc..
WB is a much more finished product, however AH shows much more promise for the future. Good things come to those who wait.
K1
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Indian speaks with no forked tongue!
~Ground graphics are the best
~real 3D clouds you can dog fight in
~Vehicles coming very soon, including the
Mark IV tank and ack wagons.
~New A/C that haven't been modeled in WB's, about 1.5 a month.
~As Indian pointed out, you want customer service? This is the place. I know of no harder workers than HTC, and believe me, I'm the furthest thing from a brown noser, I have a very high work ethic within my life, these guys make mine look silly.
If I had to chose one reason, here it is.
Take a WB plane up, and try to get it in an inverted flat-spin. Can't do it without having a piece of your airplane gone (shot off).
You can get an AH FM into an inverted flat spin without being shot up.
If you do transition to AH, expect a FM learning curve for about 2 weeks....then go back and fly WB's, you'll see what kind of "arcadish" FM you've been flying for 3 years.
I personally flew WB's since it was CK (v.87) until November of last year...glad I changed!
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
Aces High Training Corps
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/190srip.gif)
"Some people are only alive because it is illegal to shoot them."
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Because I fly and die here!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Daddog bring that Flying Mongrels squadron to the Knights and fly with that JG2 squadron. From what I understand they are one of the best squadrons in AH. (Noticed I said ONE of the best (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). I have to say one of the best because there are some kick-butt squads out there.)
We would compliment each other nicely!!
Or better yet, if some of the Mongrels are on AH have them look up the pilots from JG2 and do some flyin with them. Rumor has it they always have something brewin!!! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Swager
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/swager.gif)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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[This message has been edited by Swager (edited 03-09-2000).]
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Because IEN wont show any pictures of WB 3.0 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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AH : Maniac
WB : -nr-1-
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http://www.rsaf.org/osf/ (http://www.rsaf.org/osf/)
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I wont go into WB bashing. It provided me with many months of fun. It is really just a matter of preference.
Why I prefer AH is as follows. When WB current FM was interduced, it was more to solve the stickstirring problem than anything to do with RL flight modeling. When it was first applyed there were many posts on AGW, by real pilots, stating that real planes did not behave like that. Not being a RL pilot I tended to listen to them. I have never seen such a post here at AH. So I think the FM must be close.
I hate the gunnery in WB. I understand why they changed it though. There were endless posts asking for the early war RPS, the guns aare to strong, ect.. Most people wanted a game that was more forgiving of mistakes. You can screw up, in WB, and get sprayed 2 or 3 times and still rtb. Here if you screw up. You dead.
A good way to compare them. Is to compare WB ver. 2.5 and DOA.
The best way is to try it for the two free weeks and decide for yourself.
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And we cannot forget the all-important connectivity. Whatever the differences, AH is hands-down better in the connection department.
It doesn't matter how good the game is if you cannot stay connected to it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
By the way, you Mongrels like to buff, and you will soon have a Lancaster to try out!
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1) AH has better FMs than WB. After you get used to AH, WB planes handle like Piper Cubs.
2) If you play a lot, AH is cheaper
3) WB development is dead in the water. Look how long V2.75 took, 3.0 just ain't worth waiting for.
4) Sheep everywhere.
RA
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/002011.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/002011.html)
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Hiyas!
The two week free trial will yield the best answer to your question.
You and your men open accts, fly for two weeks and make up your own minds (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I flew WB's ever since the CK beta's, and I can tell you as a RL pilot, not only is the FM more realistic(altho not perfect...it is a game)but the entire feel of this sim more closely imitates the real deal.
Get some accts and experience the difference yourselves....Look me up when you get here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Rude CO 13th TAS (Bishops)
Out!
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To me AH is like going to the local tavern. The owners are tending bar and know yer name, there's a new "special" every couple of weeks, and the customers are relaxed and having fun.
WB got to be like going to McDonalds during the lunchtime rush. The "sales associates" don't have a clue, the menu hasn't changed in months, and the customers are impatient and getting surly.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
popeye
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LOL popeye Thats a good way of putting it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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For me:
Good Things about AH vs. WB:
1. FM's
2. Graphics
3. Plentiful Ground Targets
4. Bugs Get Fixed Pronto
5. Price
Bad Things about AH vs. WB:
1. Icons
2. Lack of HA
3. High Fuel Multiplier
4. Planeset Size
5. AH Acks Too Strong
I started here because of the price, and came to love how nicely the planes fly, how pretty things look, and how realistically I could move my head around in the cockpit. Then I was hooked. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Well I reduced my w/b account to the $9.95 minimum 2 months ago.I had been playing for 4 1/2 yrs.I wanted to give A/H a try.
I logged on to warbirds Sunday night for the first time in 6 weeks.I flew for 1 hour and promptly decided right then and there to cancel my account for good.Did so this morning.
Also I have no confidence at all in IEN anymore. 3.0? I don't believe and why should I? SHO-ME (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
It is great seeing a lot of old handles I used to fly w/b with.
Frodo
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Daddog,
I have virtually stopped playing WB now, and I flew it for close to 4 years. I changed for alot of reasons, including those already well dictated above. For me, price is a big issue, this is so much easier on the wallet, but also because warbirds had gotten so stale for me. Nothing new, same thing over and over.
I also came because alot of my online buddies came over, but I stayed for the challenge. The planes are more challenging to fly well, the flight models more realisitic (I think so anyway, never flew a real life warbird to know for sure).
HiTech and Pyro are good guys, flying online and interacting with the community constantly. This brings a sense of working together, molding the game into a great sim.
Give it an honest try, have some guys flying it help you get setup and up to speed and I think you will like it.
Good luck,
Dago
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I've been flying AH since the begining, well except for a time between version .46 and last Sunday. I'm using my 2 weeks free time now.
Tha hardest thing for me to adjust to is the flight model/gunnery. I think I'm close to a stick setting that works.
A definite plus with AH is the graphics. Terrain looks more lifelike, not all pointy and sharp. Clouds, view system, movable control surfaces, they are all real nice.
The N1K2 seems like a good transition a/c, even a dweeb like me can fly it well enough to be dangerous. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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-rock-
WarBirds 332nd Flying Mongrels 301st squad
DOA Jagdstaffel 9 Kreighundz
Rockster
AcesHigh
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Citabria had a good topic here (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/002157.html) too!
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332nd Flying Mongrels
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Gentlemen, what a wealth of information!
I left for work this morning after posting my nickel worth question and came home to a gold mine. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) More than I had hoped for and very encouraging. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thanks each and everyone of you, and those that will be posting.
indian
rosco
karaya
ripsnort
swager
maniac (tho brief (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
TT
kieren (as always)
ra
westy (great link)
rude (hope the call does not fit)
popeye (nice analogy)
funked
frodo(I know what you have been reading)
dago
rock (here already eh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
ozark (you too!? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif))
daddog
100th and 301st Squadrons
332nd Flying Mongrels (http://www.ropescourse.org/flying.htm)
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Daddog I served with WB since the CK Beta days.
In February I closed my account and came here and have never looked back since.
As above some tolerance is needed cos HT and Co are still rolling stuff out. But the stable connects, flat rate, plus good graphics FE etc balance it out easily.
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Hey Daddog!
Good to see you on the Aces High boards Boss (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
I've been flying both WB and AH.
The best thing I like about WB is that the Flying Mongrels are there (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif). The things I dislike about AH I am confident will be resloved over time; like real world terrain and a historical arena. The things I dislike about WB I do not have confidence will be resolved at all.
I too am impressed with the number of responses to your post. Guess these guys really like AH!
gospel
332nd Flying Mongrels
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The Art Work!
Purty planes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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OH YES...oh , all of the above and be very careful of the fools gold. Some fish are just..well fish in a net. wb is not what AH can be in time and I want to be around AH for the time it gets it's real wings and does wb another one up. Because I have always like the team and the way it worked. (Netgoofystuff are in both)
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Well Daddog, after reading everything, (includeing the links above, Thanks guys!)
I'm ready when you are!
Frankly iEN has totally blown any respect I ever had for it. Connects since the move to NC are half as good as before, and show no real sign of improveing.
Flight models, well this is something I've talked over with a few others in the Game.
The A6m series ability to fly competitively in any arena has been slowly degraded from 2.5 to current. It shows no sign of getting better. Every version is a little worse, ever
time they adjust the "Stick Stirring Code" it loses something.
Now I don't know what the Aces High Zero will fly like. I'm not even sure it matters. I know from the beta that I can fly the Nik2J till Hell freezes over.
Connects are good.
Terrain is great (I expect it to get better shortly)Clouds, well I've never seen anything half as good!
Icons & a HA type arena are my biggest concerns.
As to the community, for the last year the WB community has gotten worse & worse.
While I've seen the AH community start strong & just keep growing.
As to the people who fly here I have one thing to say.
HI GUYS, I'm coming HOME SOON!
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Remember when you first flew WB,s online.
The sweaty palms, the thrill of soaring through cyber space in your own AC. The friends you made online? That's the main reason I switched. Also; HTC wants this to work. (my opinion) I left a good squad in WB
to come here. Well worth it! I miss my friends, but have also made lots of new ones!
You and all your squad will be welcome here.
Bye the way; fly Bishop, we are green (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If you sign on as any other country, it will show green but don't believe what you see. Bishops have green sheep (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Keep your sticks on the ice.
cord
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"Why is it called a R.I.P cord?"
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Hiya Daddog!
I recommend bringing the squad over here for squad night activities, and flying WB only for special events in the HA and S3.
For myself, it was the configurable views that finally sold me on AH. Also, the excitement over here in the arena resembles that of Warbirds back in it's heyday of 1.11r2.
Lastly, it just wouldn't be the same without you and Ghosth around here. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
banana
**MOL** (Men of Leisure)
WB:-baxl-
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Cord. Actually You bish look kinda pink on my screen.
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daddog,
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- I think the graphics are better.
- The FM will take some getting used to. Personally, I prefer AH's FM to WB, but when I first tried Aces High it took a while before I became comfortable with it.
- The terrain is much more interesting with rolling hills, and canyons, and mountains that make low level flight a rush. Also, it seems easier to see how close you are to the ground here.
- The cockpit view system is a big plus in my book. Being able to actually 'move around' in the cockpit to get a better view does a lot for the game, giving a better sense of the illusion of space. Though the cockpits are somewhat simplistic, the trade-off for freedom of movement when viewing is well worth it, IMHO.
- There are no real connect issues in Aces High, generally speaking.
- It is cheaper than WB if you fly more than 20 hrs. per month.
- The HTC staff is comprised of six people, two of which were an integral part of the making of WB, itself. There are no real administrative levels to wade through when there are account, or billing issues. And, in fact, at least four of the HTC staff play AH, and are forever interacting with the players for input and suggestions.[/list=a]
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leonid, Komandir
5 GIAP VVS RKKA (http://www.adamfive.com/guerrero)
"Our cause is just. The enemy will be crushed. Victory will be ours."
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Well, I flew WB from the time of the CK 0.87 beta up until the day the Aces High beta came out.
Price is sure an issue with me. The Australian dollar exchange rate means that instead of spending about $200 a month on WB I can sneak by with about $50 per month.
But the single best reason I can think of is this: in my four years with WB I could probably count on one hand the really good fights I had.
In Aces High, in 4 months, I cannot even begin to remember them all. Just last night flew the most perfect rolling scissors fight against Extreme... both in 38's and it went on for about 5 minutes until one of us finally gained a killing edge. Fights with MrAnza, and Hristo, and any number of AH demons who just make you sweat bullets all the time. Finishing a fight and being almost too shaky to even type a 'Salute' on common channel.
All in all, its just a better experience than WB.
Plus, the connects are a damn sight better as well (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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C.O. Phoenix Squadron
www.users.bigpond.com/afinlayson/index.htm
'feel the heat .......'
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I can only add:
1. Average level of pilots here is extraordinary high.
2. No RPS here. RPS+Main arena = roadkill. Main arena should be the place where people can choose the plane and tactics whatever they want.
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GHOSTH!!!!!! YEAH.... GHOSTH IS COMIN' BACK (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) [bee jumps up and down while going totaly looney]
I knew you would come back fighting buddy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) And know you bring along the entire squad (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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BEE
'Nemo Impune Lacessit'
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/109bee.gif)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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Bring it on home Ghosth!!!