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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 14, 2004, 02:07:35 PM
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This helps to realized what 800+ dead soldiers look like ... so I can keep driving my big V8 and my worst concern being to wonder if I should eat a turkey panido or Thai food.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/82_1087238778_memorial1.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/82_1087238831_memorial2.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/82_1087238857_memorial3.jpg)
It is located at Santa Monica peer, you have a list of names of all the soldiers that died, where and how. You can write their name/persoanl message on a paper and go stick in on a cross, with a free flower/flag.
The list was provided by Foxnews.com, reading it you realize that there is a lot of non combat related deaths, the stupid accident kind "got electrocuted", "got ran over by a truck".
When I was other there, most people participating to this memorial were Latinos, which I find nice. Those famillies explained their kids what this was about and had them fill a card.
For the ones living in L.A., a free civil lesson to your kids is worth the 2h in traffic.:)
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A local boy was killed while serving in Iraq early during the conflict. That's a cool idea that Santa Monica has.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/82_1087238831_memorial2.jpg)
If they use crosses to represent the deaths of Iraqis, that'll really piss 'em off.
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tell to do one for D Day, should keep them busy for a while
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If you want to put it in perspective...got to Midnight Target's post about the WW II memorial. There is a wall with gold stars on it, each of which represents 100 American dead.
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Kudos to Santa Monica. Like it while it lasts, chances are some chicken hawk or "patriot" will destroy it before too long.
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It is a traveling exhibit thing.
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Very nice memorial to keep things on perspective.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Kudos to Santa Monica. Like it while it lasts, chances are some chicken hawk or "patriot" will destroy it before too long.
Seems like a paranoid or fatalistic point of view, not sure which.
Frenchy, as for driving one's big V-8 and choosing between turkey panido or Thai food...the choice is still one's own as it always has been. If you're convinced these are demonstrative of the reasons for this war, then forgive me for considering you a lost cause and not challenging your beliefs.
to the fallen. It's a nice memorial.
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VOR, just enjoy the show and stop being obsessive about "he's French, there HAS to be something anti-American in his post".
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Mmmm....huh? Nevermind then. Sorry to interrupt.
PS: Thought you were American with French ancestry.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
VOR, just enjoy the show and stop being obsessive about "he's French, there HAS to be something anti-American in his post".
Seems you are the one hoping/looking for a fight as I read none of that in Vor's post.
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Right next to it, they should put up the crosses of those killed in 9/11/01, just for perspective.
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Seems to me it's what you are waiting for by steping in like that Furious.:o
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Originally posted by Lizking
Right next to it, they should put up the crosses of those killed in 9/11/01, just for perspective.
How about not.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Seems to me it's what you are waiting for by steping in like that Furious.:o
...ahhh, you clever beasty. You really showed me with that most adroit use of an emoticon.
Noone mentioned your frenchness, but you. From my perspective, it appears you were hoping for it.
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Gee, I really wonder how many don't know I'm French:D A guy named frenchy, with a blue/white/red Avatar... registered 4 years ago with 1700+ posts.
At anyrate, there were no malice in my thread, just to highlight what I think is a good idea.
If you're convinced these are demonstrative of the reasons for this war, then forgive me for considering you a lost cause and not challenging your beliefs., was solved a couple of answers ago.
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Jeez, give it a rest. I said nevermind.
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yeah Frenchy, if you'd bothered litmus testing this forum you'd see it's clearly neutral and unbiased re: "the French".
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Do they actually care about the men and woman who have died in Iraq or is this just a 'stunt' to further their political aims?
I really don't know. But, I do know this, I'll remember the sacrifice made by those brave souls in a far away land long after this bunch has moved on to there next 'Media Event'.
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Originally posted by Otto
Do they actually care about the men and woman who have died in Iraq or is this just a 'stunt' to further their political aims?
I really don't know. But, I do know this, I'll remember the sacrifice made by those brave souls in a far away land long after this bunch has moved on to there next 'Media Event'.
Good call, Otto.
Plenty of these Activist Pinheads do nothing at these rallies but try to get their bananas wet in the hairy vegan muff, sure to be found at said events.
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Originally posted by YUCCA
How about not.
Why not?
Do you only honor the deaths that further whatever your political agenda may be?
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Very nice memorial to keep things on perspective.
It's nice I suppose. Too bad they don't do something similar for all those that died at the WTC and other terrorists attacks and travel around.... you know, keep it all in perspective.
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Originally posted by NUKE
It's nice I suppose. Too bad they don't do something similar for all those that died at the WTC and other terrorists attacks and travel around.... you know, keep it all in perspective.
It would take a mighty big beach, Nuke. Plus, the WTC/Pentagon attacks are soooo 3 years ago (almost). Hardly worth our consideration these days considering the recent cataclysmic events like Abu Graib. :eek:
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Why not?
Do you only honor the deaths that further whatever your political agenda may be?
Tell me, what does one have to do with the other.
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Now try and imagine what 3000 crosses would look like, ya know, the 3000 from the WTC on 9/11. Of course, we could sit back and pretend there aren't any threats out there, but of course we do know better.
dago
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Tell me, what does one have to do with the other.
If you have not figured it out by now, there's no point in me going into it.
You're not going to listen and I'm not going to waste my time with another one of these pointless arguments.
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Kudos to Santa Monica. Like it while it lasts, chances are some chicken hawk or "patriot" will destroy it before too long.
Terrible thing to say about a memorial. I don't agree that people should use such things to make political statements but it seems to honor the fallen nonetheless. Free speech
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imagine what the one would look like for drunk drivers or... for all the soldiers killed on bases in the U.S. and overseaseas for the last decade.
Maybe they can make an aids quilt too?
lazs
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Originally posted by muckmaw
If you have not figured it out by now, there's no point in me going into it.
You're not going to listen and I'm not going to waste my time with another one of these pointless arguments.
Iraq didnt kill the guys in 9/11 al queda did you goof ball :)
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Yeah I was wondering what has 9/11 to do with Iraq ?
IIRC they were mostly Saudi-Arabian terrorists who were trained in Afghanistan and who hi-jacked american planes and crashed them against American buildings?
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Originally posted by Staga
Yeah I was wondering what has 9/11 to do with Iraq ?
IIRC they were mostly Saudi-Arabian terrorists who were trained in Afghanistan and who hi-jacked american planes and crashed them against American buildings?
Terrorism is not limited to one country, but it is limited to this planet:
Our war on terror begins with al Qaida, but it does not end there. . . . we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime. . . President George W. Bush, Joint Session of Congress, September 20, 2001
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Saddam Hussein is paying $25,000 to the relatives of Palestinian suicide bombers -- a $15,000 raise much welcomed by the bombers' families. In Tulkarm, one of the poorest towns on the West Bank, a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council handed out the checks from Saddam. The payments have been made for at least two years, but the amount has suddenly jumped up by $15,000 -- a bonus for the families of 'martyrs', to reward those taking part in the escalating war against Israel. . . . Fox News, March 26, 2002
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This general served Saddam Hussein for decades. Along with another Iraqi defector, Sabah Khodada (see below), the general tells of terrorists training in a Boeing 707 resting next to railroad tracks on the edge of Salman Pak, an area south of Baghdad. The existence of the plane has been confirmed by U.N. inspectors. The general describes the men who trained there, the camp's security, and his "gut feeling" that the camp was in some way tied to the Sept. 11 attacks. Iraqi Lt. General, PBS and New York Times Interview, November 6, 2001
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A captain in the Iraqi army from 1982 to 1992, he worked at what he describes as a highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Pak, an area south of Baghdad. In this translated interview Khodada describes what went on at Salman Pak, including details on training hijackers. He emigrated to the U.S. in May 2001. Sabah Kodada, Iraqi Army Captain, PBS and New York Times Interview, October 14, 2001
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An investigation by Frontline confirmed that Iraqi intelligence had trained at least forty Islamic terrorists between 1995 and 2000 in how to hijacking airliners using a Boeing-747 that was originally Kuwaiti property. Frontline, PBS, November 14, 2001
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Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens. . . . Congressional Resolution Authorizing Force Against Iraq, October 15, 2002
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Shortly before the Sept. 11 attacks, a group of al-Qaida fighters left Afghanistan and set up shop in Iraq as a backup base, according to a report in today‘s Los Angeles Times. Osama bin Laden‘s jihadists established such a base in town of Al Biyara and nearby mountain villages where Kurdish militants had begun imposing the strict Islamic rule much like Afghanistan‘s ousted Taliban regime, according to the Times report. While this base is further evidence of Saddam Hussein‘s recent support of al-Qaida, documented by many intelligence sources over the last 10 years, Iraq is attempting to maintain plausible deniability with regard to the bases – suggesting they are outside the control of the government in Baghdad. Intelmessages.com and Los Angeles Times, December 9, 2002
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The British also released a dossier on Iraq which claimed that at least two key Al-Qaeda lieutenants underwent training inIraq. The dossier also confirmed that Iraq was paying Al-Qaeda to use its Ansar forces based in northern Iraq to attack the Kurdish forces. Reuters, September 14, 2002
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Originally posted by Staga
Yeah I was wondering what has 9/11 to do with Iraq ?
IIRC they were mostly Saudi-Arabian terrorists who were trained in Afghanistan and who hi-jacked american planes and crashed them against American buildings?
correct staga, but your not looking at the big picture. now it seems dumber than a box of rocks to go around invading countrys that have no way to hurt the U.S.A. but when you think about it, iraq would make a good base for eventual invasion of saudi arabia and other oil/terrorist producing arab countrys. if you have been watching the news it has already started in saudi. if bush gets elected again in 2-3 years some U.S. soldier will be spray painting PWNED all over mecca. no, this bush is stupid like a fox.
[ sarcasm mode off]
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I thought US attacked against Iraq because of their WMDs ?
Now we hear it wasn't the WMD but their connections to terrorists?
I wonder what's the next excuse is...
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are you saying that the sadman never had weapons of mass destruction and that he was never working on nuclear weapons or that...
he had em in the past but he was a new changed man now and that even tho he kicked out the inspectors he would never start up another program?
lazs
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remember Frenchy* thought the 9/11 attacks were awesome.
"Then later on the Pentagon got hit, I recall thinking that those terrorists are "awsome". Make so much destruction with so little money using the targetted country's equipment. The idea was brillant! A Special Ops dream. "
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IIRC US/Coalition forces invaded Iraq because Saddam had ****loads of chemical weapons ready to be used in 45mins or so and I'm quite sure we all remember that "pre-emptive strike" was popular phrase.
Coalition invaded and occupied that country, chemical weapons weren't used against invading forces and those same alleged WMD-weapons are still missing (if there were any)...
...and that even tho he kicked out the inspectors he would never start up another program?
Winter 2002 Hussein accepted UN inspectors but guess that was too late; the big wheel was already turning and invasion was executed at spring 2003.
Hussein was quite willing to co-operate with UN but guess that wasn't enough for GWB; after all he had a "mission".
btw who's saying the new regime won't manufacture WMDs?
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btw who's saying the new regime won't manufacture WMDs?
Who said anything about a new regime? ;)
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And I still do Pooh21, a 10 for ingeniuty, never in history so few created so much damage with so little. The moral impact, followed by a "poor economy" shockwave.
I'll repeat myself, I despize the act, but the planification was excellent. Don't missread me, you are brighter than that.
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So far i haven't seen any evidence to suggest that iraq could have endangerd the U.S. (so far.) There wouldnt be suicide bombers killing soldiers if we didnt send our forces to invade iraq to overthrow a regime that they say had WMD (not holding my breath.) But muckmaw no reason to get so touchy, just having a nice conversation ok?
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Originally posted by Pooh21
remember Frenchy* thought the 9/11 attacks were awesome.
"Then later on the Pentagon got hit, I recall thinking that those terrorists are "awsome". Make so much destruction with so little money using the targetted country's equipment. The idea was brillant! A Special Ops dream. "
Think i typed this thing in once before about the subject but
awe·some ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôsm)
adj.
Inspiring awe: an awesome thunderstorm.
Expressing awe: stood in awesome silence before the ancient ruins.
As you see just because he said it was awesome didnt mean that he thought it was great. :)
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Originally posted by YUCCA
So far i haven't seen any evidence to suggest that iraq could have endangerd the U.S. (so far.) There wouldnt be suicide bombers killing soldiers if we didnt send our forces to invade iraq to overthrow a regime that they say had WMD (not holding my breath.) But muckmaw no reason to get so touchy, just having a nice conversation ok?
Not touchy in the least. I simply refuse to waste the time explaining my position to someone people who already have their minds made up.
BTW, WMD's were 1 of 4 reasons Bush outlined for the attack on Iraq. Why is this the only reason the Liberals focus on? Is it because it's the most glaring or because it's easy for them to understand?
He got bombs? NO he no got da bombs? Oooops!
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I know it isn't as dramatic but we could have 300 "graves" of servicemen killed while staying on the base drinking in three years.
lazs
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Originally posted by muckmaw
Not touchy in the least. I simply refuse to waste the time explaining my position to someone people who already have their minds made up.
BTW, WMD's were 1 of 4 reasons Bush outlined for the attack on Iraq. Why is this the only reason the Liberals focus on? Is it because it's the most glaring or because it's easy for them to understand?
He got bombs? NO he no got da bombs? Oooops!
My mind is not made up, i am farily open to hearing it appears that you are the one that has his mind made about me. And as far as what the dead soldier memorial on the beach, what does it have to do with 9-11? Enlighten me, or....... stop making statements that you refuse to explain because you dont know. Or if im such a waste of time to talk to then why are you still doing so lmao :lol