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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Karnak on March 09, 2000, 09:53:00 AM
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Having already thrown rocks at the hornets nest about the Fw-190D-9 and Spitfire Mk XIV, and received many stings for it (and, I think, gotten a few in as well), I'll turn to poking a stick in the yellow jacket hive.
I would love to have a nice green Mitsubishi A6M5c Zero. Yellow stripe on the leading edge of the wing, matte black engine cowling and nice red hinomarus.
Anybody have any thoughts on this one?
Sisu
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Yes, I'm greedy, I WANT ALL THE Zero's!
I want the 2, 3, 5a,5c.
I also want a complete early war plane set to fly them against.
Good thing I'm a patient man.
PS, Hitech & co, if you ever do model the Am62, Please contact ==SD== , He's got the original blueprints of the A6m2's Carb showing that it didn't cut out on Neg Gee's nearly as bad as most sims model it.
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Maj Ghosth
XO 332nd Flying Mongrels
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I think, as the most important Japanese fighter of the war, it is an absolute must. No PAC scenario would be complete without one.
Of course, they will suffer bigtime, but everything does. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) If you think a Spit V can make base capture a headache, imagine the Zekes popping up!
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My problem with that is...EVERY sim has a zero, how about something in a Ki-44, or Ki-84, something "different"...not that I don't like the zero, I'm partial to cranking,banking fighting, but I'd like to see A/C that have NOT been modeled in other sims here.(yes, I'm aware of the 84 already in WB's) This makes business sense as well,"Offer the customer something the competition doesn't have, key to business success.
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Brian "Ripsnort" Nelson
++JG2++ ~Richthofen~ XO
Aces High Training Corps
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
(http://Ripsnort60.tripod.com/190srip.gif)
"Some people are only alive because it is illegal to shoot them."
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-09-2000).]
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Paper targets. How fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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LOL TT, imagine how one could run up 20-30 kills in one sortie while flying a "Chicken of the Sea" if bullet placement was properly managed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 03-09-2000).]
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HEHE. Chicken of the sea. Thats a classic. Its going right up there next to "Runs away screeming like a girl".
BTW rip. the KI84 is my favorite plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
[This message has been edited by TT (edited 03-09-2000).]
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Rip-
That may be true, but I don't think this has to be an "either/or" situation. Not including the Zero because every other sim has one would be like not having the P51, Spitfire, or Me109.
Some plane selections are just automatic. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
[This message has been edited by Kieren (edited 03-09-2000).]
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TT,
the A6M5c is the one where they added self-sealing fuel tanks, pilot armor, a stronger structure and a thicker skin. It was armed with 2 20mm cannon (don't know the model off hand) and 2 12.7 mm machine guns (also don't know the model off hand). So this model, while still more fragile than the USAAF, RAF and Luftwaffe aircraft, was far less likely to blow up immediately than its predecessors.
Sisu
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Kieren, I would like to see it here, but I'd like to see it AFTER some other Japanese A/C.
TT- Me too!
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The A6M5 is/was my favorite ride in WB. I think the only person who liked it more than me was Ghostt.
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Mighty1
The New Baby Harp Seals
"Come try to club THIS Seal"
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Nah, bring it on now, i feel like a boost to my kill/death ratio (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Self sealing tanks - aw, no fair. So just a paper plane then, not a paper plane dipped in av gas (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I wont need to use my cannons (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Supreme Mega-Overlord Spatula
"...perfect for serving"
(http://www.spatula.co.nz/aceshigh/spatula_card.jpg)
=1st Airborne Kitchen Utensil Assualt Group=
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Spatula,
they also added pilot armor, strengthend the structure, thickened the skin and upgraded the firepower. So it isn't paper any more, more like cardboard with pilot armor.
Sisu
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YEAH BRING IT ON!! I want the all the zero's not because I fly them, Those Ricepaper planes don't cut it, I just want Ghostt to have enough incentive to leave WB (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)(done some head to head against ghostt in his zero... not much fun (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) He the Nippon Overlord.)
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BEE
'Nemo Impune Lacessit'
(http://saintaw.tripod.com/109bee.gif)
JG2 "Richthofen" (http://www.busprod.com/weazel2/)
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Well we already have a Navy fighter, how about an Army fighter, like the Ki-44. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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K....I...Forty....Four!
K....I...Forty....Four!
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The A6M5c was supposed to be fitted with self-sealing tanks, but the tanks were not ready in time for production. The first Zero in AH will probably be the A6M5b. It's on the short list of planes to do.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
"If it's stupid but works, it's not stupid."
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Cool, It will be the base-defender from hell (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And will be the newbie plane of choice.
mmmm fodder (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Supreme Mega-Overlord Spatula
"...perfect for serving"
(http://www.spatula.co.nz/aceshigh/spatula_card.jpg)
=1st Airborne Kitchen Utensil Assualt Group=
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OH Kewl, let the sky dance begin. In wb it was one of the funnest h2h planes and still had a viable use in the arena from time to time. I'm very happy to hear it may come to be in AH. Thanks Pyro! 'Cept it's a bummer about the self-sealing tank logistics...hehe = oh no pretty fire! & humm Smoke! Very good news I think.
[This message has been edited by Luckyone (edited 03-09-2000).]
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Bee,
Your wish may come true sooner than you think!
Yes the 332nd FG Flying Mongrels are takeing a serious look at leaveing Warbirds for Aces High! Our CO daddog is in comunication with Pyro, as we have a few concerns. But expect to see us in here testing sometime in the next month or so.
As to Paper planes, let me refresh your memory. The A6m series were modern all metal skinned aircraft. The only exception is they used fabric covered control surfaces.
True they had no pilot armour, nor self sealing tanks. I'd really like to see Aces High properly model both the tendancy to fuel tank fires, and the lack of armour.
Wing span struts on Zero's may have been lighter than US planes, but they had less load to carry.
As to the Guns of the A6m-5's there are conflicting reports. Some said the same low velocity 20mm cannons as the rest of the Zero's. Other sources site new High velocity 20mm cannons. I've also seen evidence that their Mg ammo had a HE effect.
As to Japanese planes I'd like to see, ki-44, ki-45, ki-100,A6m5 Claude!(the ultimate EARLY war plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)). Last I'd really like to see someone model the flying boats! (yeah I know, it's a big job)
Others I'd like to see, A full Russian set, includeing the Stormovik, & Yaks.
A full French set includeing the Curtis P36's that they bought from the US.
More Italian planes.
Mossie in anti shipping roll (57mm wasn't it?). better plan on some early hurri's & spits also.
One zeke freak waiting to see how well you guys model it. Bee has it right in one respect. Nothing will draw me (and perhaps my squad) quicker than a well modeled Zero.
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Maj Ghosth
XO 332nd Flying Mongrels
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Pyro,
my sources indicate that these were equipped with the self sealing tanks. Wouldn't it be possible that the tanks were not ready for the first few or dozens, but were then included on all of the A6M5cs built from that point on? (Much like the early Spitfire production had only 4 .303s but once the guns were available they were all produced with 8)
Sisu