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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AKcurly on June 15, 2004, 05:01:53 AM
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Saw this on a blog. Reminds me of Archie Bunker. :)
In the following analysis, Phil Massey argues our forces in Iraq can do much to defeat the terrorist insurgency in that nation through a combination of technological ingenuity and devious trickery. All we have to do is get to work ...
A version of this essay appeared on Mr. Massey's Web site, The Flying Space Monkey Chronicles.
-- Tim Machesney
FIGHTING FIRE WITH ...
by Phil Massey
I was thinking about the situation over in Iraq. Specifically, I've noticed how so many coalition casualties are being attributed to terrorist insurgents' use of RPGs, or rocket-propelled grenades. The RPG is a versatile weapon that needs to have its sharp teeth pulled.
With these weapons, terrorists are taking down coalition Blackhawk helicopters, blowing up Humvees and other vehicles, and taking the lives of our boys and girls on the ground without hard cover. They've even destroyed an M-1 Abrams Tank. Currently, anti-RPG defenses involve adding armor to the resources being protected. I want to add uncertainty and unreliability to the weapon itself.
I propose what I consider a most elegant solution. We take away the RPGs and/or take away the will of the insurgents to use the ones they have.
Of course, I recognize that just telling them to hand over their RPGs would be in an exercise in futility. They didn't turn in their weapons in besieged Fallujah, so how do we get them to do this?
What it were to happen that routinely and increasingly, the person firing or attempting to fire an RPG got killed when it blew up prematurely? Wouldn't that give the enemy pause when it came to firing on our troops with these weapons? I think it would in a really big way. If there was one chance in 12 that the weapon I was about to use was going to turn me into hamburger, I'd probably throw the cursed thing away instead of firing it.
The shell of the RPG-7 has the explosive equivalent of a stick of dynamite; add to that the explosive capability in the booster and in the rocket assist, and you have a potent little bomb indeed. And the enemy, the very one you want to eliminate, is walking around with it!
We should develop an RPG-7 decoy round. I envision something that looks and feels just like the booster, rocket assist and/or warhead for the RPG-7 weapon except that it detonates upon launch.
We then produce several hundred of these and paint/ crate/ transport them exactly like we would the real thing and leave them in places the enemy will find them. Or, even better than that, when we find the real thing in a weapons cache somewhere, we replace some or most of them with our decoys, leave them and wait for the fun.
Were we to do this, we would plant the seed of doubt that the weapons are no longer safe (cursed perhaps?) and the enemy has more to lose than to gain by using them. Failing this, we could actually eliminate the enemy in the very act of attacking, when the decoy rounds are used in against our forces. Think about that -- we could conceivably eliminate the enemy even when they are training to attack.
Our enemies, the terrorists and insurgents in Iraq, will have their effectiveness greatly reduced if the threat of this weapon can be removed. And every time one of our decoys is used, that's one (or more) bad guy who'll never attack again.
He'll be a Really Perforated Goner instead.
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...and after insurgents realises this, they'll defuse the RPG's and inspect them or disassemble those for improvised explosive devices. :D
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Clearly, an anti-handling device is also in order. Something like a poisonous spider in the rocket assembly ought to keep them from tring to take it apart.
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ah just put a quality inspected sticker on em....They'll never figure it out!
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have it explode when they open the crate ...
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"We then produce several hundred of these and paint/ crate/ transport them exactly like we would the real thing and leave them in places the enemy will find them. "
Well they're not "our" product .... though I suppose we could produce something identical if we chose to.
Second thing ....
Just leaving crates around ain't gonna do it. These people are being supplied. The supply line has a route ... a source ... a connection. They just won't use any they accidently find. You'd have to find a way to get this product not only produced and packaged to be indistinguishable from the real thing ... you'd have to find a way to have it put into the supply pipe without being noticed. And even then there's a chance that the supplier would come up with various simple solutions to prove the product shipped is the genuine terrorist death-dealing article.
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Underestimate his enemy never won wars...
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Perhaps "The Flying Space Monkey Chronicles" is not the best place to look for military advice.......
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Perhaps "The Flying Space Monkey Chronicles" is not the best place to look for military advice.......
No, of course not, thus the Archie Bunker reference. You might recall (don't know your age) Archie's solution to airplane hijacking -- he suggested we issue a pistol to each person boarding the plane and then take them back as they exit the plane. :)
curly
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Originally posted by AKcurly
The RPG is a versatile weapon that needs to have its sharp teeth pulled.
Why, apparently they're good for providing a steady supply of targets for M1 Abrams co-ax gunners.
WARNING ... not for childen or the thin skinned crowd ... view at your own risk.
4.7 Mb AVI (Right click and "save target as")
Terrorist RPG Training Manual (Incorrect fire positioning 101) (http://perso.wanadoo.es/iraqshot/iraqi%20shot%20650%20frames.avi)[/url]
Regards,
Badger
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Originally posted by AKcurly
No, of course not, thus the Archie Bunker reference. You might recall (don't know your age) Archie's solution to airplane hijacking -- he suggested we issue a pistol to each person boarding the plane and then take them back as they exit the plane. :)
curly
Though putting a piece of C4 into a Ak rounds in arms cache's was quite popular in the Rhodesian war, togther with booby trapped radio's that blew up when tuned to Shona stations and poisoned blue jeans....
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I have a better solution but if I posted it I would certainly be banned.
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Originally posted by storch
I have a better solution but if I posted it I would certainly be banned.
Oh! Then it must be a good idea! PLease post it ;) :D :p
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Originally posted by deSelys
Oh! Then it must be a good idea! PLease post it ;) :D :p
Ok. I say send lots of French pastry and large screen plasma TVs, include lots of western programming and let the cholesterol and sedentary lifestyle do them in.
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Storch, I think someone out there had this idea first. Would write more, but gotta get going before the Krispy Kremes all sell out.
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Yeager strongly endorses this concept. Its called a "Boobytrap".
Although I am uncertain what the Geneva Convention says about being a trixxie on the BF.
I saw a single-shot shotgun at the military museum that when fired, shot the 12-guage round backwards into the eye/face of the shooter. This particular museum piece represented a large number of which were distributed in Vietnam.
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Originally posted by storch
Ok. I say send lots of French pastry and large screen plasma TVs, include lots of western programming and let the cholesterol and sedentary lifestyle do them in.
Set up McDonalds, cut the prices and quadruple size everything, add a 6 pack, half bottle of scotch and a loaded firearm with each happy meal........hope Osama doesn't read the BBS he might get some ideas!
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Set up McDonalds, cut the prices and quadruple size everything, add a 6 pack, half bottle of scotch and a loaded firearm with each happy meal........hope Osama doesn't read the BBS he might get some ideas!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Have the new Iraqi government pass a law requiring the owners to register the dem things. If they continue to misuse them, then the government could simply confiscate them.
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Sovernty will be easy however law and order will be difficult. Specially when they are armed to the hilt.
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its a dam good idea. Leave crates of rigged RPG rounds lying about..when the insurgents run over the powerup they will have a nasty supprise.
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Originally posted by Badger
WARNING ... not for childen or the thin skinned crowd ... view at your own risk.
4.7 Mb AVI (Right click and "save target as")
Terrorist RPG Training Manual (Incorrect fire positioning 101) (http://perso.wanadoo.es/iraqshot/iraqi%20shot%20650%20frames.avi)[/url]
Link doesn't work. What is it?
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Link doesn't work. What is it?
let's see.....2004 now, Mickey1992 born in 92...doesn't that make you 12yrs old?
Link said not for children.
Go play outside until suppers ready.
-WMLute III/JG26 9th ST WidowMakers
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
What is it?
An Iraqi terrorist trying to fire an RPG gets shot up by machine gun fire.
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Originally posted by flyingaround
let's see.....2004 now, Mickey1992 born in 92...doesn't that make you 12yrs old?
Link said not for children.
Go play outside until suppers ready.
'92 is the year I graduated from college. Thanks for playing.