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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Dune on June 15, 2004, 08:49:59 AM
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Just so you know.
http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33939&pagenumber=2
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Ya,
Sad times :(
An era has ended...
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Does this mean we are going to get a bunch of new posters?
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Yea, wondered that too. I'm sure they are welcome here or over at my Forums. The more the merrier.
Boy, Airhead is going to be busy with all that beach walking :p
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http://agw.warbirdsiii.com/bbs/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34126
:(
I am banned at AGW since 1999, but I have to say that Argo is the greatest member of online-flightsim community. "So much owed to so few"...
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Boroda
Why is that? (the Argo part)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Boroda
Why is that? (the Argo part)
I just want to show my respect. !
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I think he meant, "why were you banned?".
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I believe Boroda was banned from AGW because of his involvment with a software project which was at the center of an intellectual property dispute with the company that hosts AGW.
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It can't be true!!!!
Russians steeling tech??? NEVER!!!:D
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I don't think anybody stole anything. They just created their own host code for WarBirds.
Also IIRC Boroda was not involved technically, just as an english-speaking friend of the programmers.
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Quote:
"I don't think anybody stole anything..."
That's not what Hi-Tech said....
C.
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Originally posted by Cabby44
Quote:
"I don't think anybody stole anything..."
That's not what Hi-Tech said....
C.
well, HT said Q3 2003 for AH2.......................... ;-)
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Am an ex-WARBIRD'er - having pulled time with JG-51 MOLDERS & the 27th SENTAI as well as a short stint with a Polish Mosquito Squadron that didn't last too long.
Really enjoyed my time there and the people I met. To all of them. :aok
WARBIRDS "New and Improved" themselves right out of business IMO. Was one of the reasons we left to come to AH.
I hope AH isn't on the same trend.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
It can't be true!!!!
Russians steeling tech??? NEVER!!!:D
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Just ONE example of many over the last 60+ years ;)
(http://k26.com/buran/assets/images/landed1.jpg)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Just ONE example of many over the last 60+ years ;)
(http://k26.com/buran/assets/images/landed1.jpg)
Again the money for the fish :) Yes, F-15 is a copy of MiG-25. :p
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Originally posted by Boroda
Again the money for the fish :) Yes, F-15 is a copy of MiG-25. :p
heh, I saw that one coming.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Boroda
Again the money for the fish :) Yes, F-15 is a copy of MiG-25. :p
Ah, take a look to the left of that fish ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ah, take a look to the left of that fish ;)
I need a web-site with all this myths/propaganda explained. I am tired to type it again and again. ;)
The fact that both re-entry vehicles look like a railway car with wings and tail doesn't make Buran a copy of American space shuttle. Just as F-15 looks as a MiG-25, and it doesn't make it a copy.
If I was you, Rip, I'd better post a picture of Tu-4 ;) Especially if you work for Boeing, IIRC. But even Tu-4 wasn't an exact copy of Superfortress.
Originally posted by Furious
I think he meant, "why were you banned?".
Funked explained it already. What I want to say is that as far as I know Argo was forced to ban me (that doesn't make him a "supporter" of our project in any way) after I got tired of iEN's (Albanian) lies about us and posted a famous letter to Russian Trade Representative in the US there. And at that time AGW wasn't hosted by iEN.
I will not advertise our project here, but I'll answer private mail.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I7The fact that both re-entry vehicles look like a railway car with wings and tail doesn't make Buran a copy of American space shuttle.
Ahahahahahaha! :rofl :rofl Your killing me Boroda! This BBS is always full of entertainment, you're the star of the show!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
When Russia comes up with an original idea of her own, please notify me, that will be the day I'll vote the Green party! :lol :lol :lol
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
When Russia comes up with an original idea of her own, please notify me, that will be the day I'll vote the Green party! :lol :lol :lol
Rocket artillery ;) Space flight ;) Democraticaly elected puppet parliament as the most recent invention :)
Do I have to tell you the difference in Buran and "Space shuttle" concepts? I thought I did it at least 4 times before here...
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
When Russia comes up with an original idea of her own, please notify me, that will be the day I'll vote the Green party! :lol :lol :lol
(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/row/rus/kirov-DDST8606686.JPG)
Nader is looking forward to your support.
-Sik
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Borda, stay down!
(http://www.volny.cz/skyfliers/Sky/con-33.jpg)
(http://www.people.virginia.edu/~psv2b/concorde.jpg)
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Borda, Stay Down!
(http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/Monino/mon94js_tu4.jpg)
(http://www.raymartinsr.com/tinian/b29s/b29-sittingpretty.jpg)
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Originally posted by Boroda
Rocket artillery ;) Space flight ;) Democraticaly elected puppet parliament as the most recent invention :)
Do I have to tell you the difference in Buran and "Space shuttle" concepts? I thought I did it at least 4 times before here...
All Soviet propoganda lies, son, all lies. We actually put the first man in space, only it was classified. Your Eastern Propoganda won't tell you though. (Howsitfeel?) ;)
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RPM, I habe already suggested Rip to mention Tu-4 instead of Buran in this thread :)
And Tu-144 made it's first flight 3 months before Concorde - so it's in my favour ;)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
When Russia comes up with an original idea of her own, please notify me, that will be the day I'll vote the Green party! :lol :lol :lol
Soooo....... are you gonna do any campaigning for them too? :p
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Originally posted by Boroda
RPM, I habe already suggested Rip to mention Tu-4 instead of Buran in this thread :)
And Tu-144 made it's first flight 3 months before Concorde - so it's in my favour ;)
So because you stole..err aquired the blueprints and slapped together an unsafe version of the original, you invented it?:confused:
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"This Russians always steal our designs! Look, now they fly a plane we want to make 10 years later!"
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Because the end result was to beat the West at all costs. And as we should be ware making a piece of shiesse takes no time or effort at all.
http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/Aviation/Aircraft/Tu-144.asp
"It was so loud that it was put into service delivering not passengers, but mail between Moscow and Alma-Ata, Kazakhstan on December 26, 1975. The expensive twice weekly flights were cut back to once a week in June 1976 and cancelled altogether by in December of 1977.
Aeroflot thought so little of the aircraft that it didn't even mention it in its five year plan for 1976-1980. However, it was not the airline executives decision and Aeroflot reluctantly put the Tu-144 into passenger service on November 1, 1977 on the same Moscow to Alma-Ata route.
Mechanical problems plagued the new aircraft and prevented the aircraft from maintaining even its modest one flight per week schedule. On May 23, 1978, the first Tu-144D produced experienced a mechanical failure and crash landed killing two engineers. A week later (June 1, 1978), the 102nd and last passenger flight took place. Aeroflot officials had had enough and refused to fly the inefficient and dangerous aircraft."
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Originally posted by Westy
Because the end result was to beat the West at all costs. And as we should be ware making a piece of shiesse takes no time or effort at all.
http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/Aviation/Aircraft/Tu-144.asp
"It was so loud that it was put into service delivering not passengers, but mail between Moscow and Alma-Ata, Kazakhstan on December 26, 1975. The expensive twice weekly flights were cut back to once a week in June 1976 and cancelled altogether by in December of 1977.
Aeroflot thought so little of the aircraft that it didn't even mention it in its five year plan for 1976-1980. However, it was not the airline executives decision and Aeroflot reluctantly put the Tu-144 into passenger service on November 1, 1977 on the same Moscow to Alma-Ata route.
Mechanical problems plagued the new aircraft and prevented the aircraft from maintaining even its modest one flight per week schedule. On May 23, 1978, the first Tu-144D produced experienced a mechanical failure and crash landed killing two engineers. A week later (June 1, 1978), the 102nd and last passenger flight took place. Aeroflot officials had had enough and refused to fly the inefficient and dangerous aircraft."
Great. I love all this rewritten history, from the people who have no understanding of the things they talk about.
First: Tu-144 was built for supersonic Moscow-Khabarovsk route. Availible engines let it only fly as far as Alma-Ata.
Second: Tu-144 was an economical failure, mostly because in Soviet society they had to keep the ticket prices to be affordable for everyone. One of my friends still can't forgive himself for saving something like 25 rubles and buying a ticket to ordinary plane instead of Tu-144. It was maybe 30-50% more expensive...
Third: did you see the pictures of first Tu-144? The site doesn't have it, because showing it can completely beat the whole effort to show Russians as "thievs". Landing gear blueprints? Maybe passenger seat design was stolen too? :rofl
Fourth: who really have beaten both Europeans and Soviets were Americans who were unable to built such complicated airplanes, and saved a lot of money :D
Fifth: Americans stole MiG-25 design to build F-15. Just look at the both airplanes. :D Americans copied everything including wing shape that is exactly the same. Now let me explain why it's not true ;)
What you have to understand is that the technological difference, design ideology and production culture makes things like "stealing blueprints" useless. To build a B-29 copy it took a complete new technological process, equipment and years of research. Even copying a licensed DC-3 with all possible technical documentation took several years and almost a complete re-design.
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"I love all this rewritten history...."
Your truth... my truth.... The real truth is we'll not see eye to eye.
So for me. I'm off to read some Shakespeare. His works are good in English, but one really needs to read him in the original Russian!
;)
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Originally posted by Westy
"I love all this rewritten history...."
Your truth... my truth.... The real truth is we'll not see eye to eye.
So for me. I'm off to read some Shakespeare. His works are good in English, but one really needs to read him in the original Russian!
;)
Interesting comparrison, considering the appeal and strenght of Shakespeare's master works were not in the Originality, but in the quality of the retelling (as is my english 201 understanding anyhow).
-Sik
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Originally posted by Westy
I'm off to read some Shakespeare. His works are good in English, but one really needs to read him in the original Russian!
;)
ST dweeb :D
h
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MiG-25 and F-15 designs are both based on the layout of the A-5 Vigilante, which was a solid Mach 2+ performer well ahead of its time. A good look of an A-5 top view along with the intake design will reveal how similar it is to the F-15.
Aside from being twin-engined and twin tailed, there is little structurally in common between the MiG-25 and the F-15. Buran could easily be mistaken for the US space shuttle until you realize it has no engines. It is almost identical in every aspect. I wonder if any of the parts are actually interchangable, i.e. windscreen glass, rudder, etc?
Originally posted by Boroda
Great. I love all this rewritten history, from the people who have no understanding of the things they talk about.
First: Tu-144 was built for supersonic Moscow-Khabarovsk route. Availible engines let it only fly as far as Alma-Ata.
Second: Tu-144 was an economical failure, mostly because in Soviet society they had to keep the ticket prices to be affordable for everyone. One of my friends still can't forgive himself for saving something like 25 rubles and buying a ticket to ordinary plane instead of Tu-144. It was maybe 30-50% more expensive...
Third: did you see the pictures of first Tu-144? The site doesn't have it, because showing it can completely beat the whole effort to show Russians as "thievs". Landing gear blueprints? Maybe passenger seat design was stolen too? :rofl
Fourth: who really have beaten both Europeans and Soviets were Americans who were unable to built such complicated airplanes, and saved a lot of money :D
Fifth: Americans stole MiG-25 design to build F-15. Just look at the both airplanes. :D Americans copied everything including wing shape that is exactly the same. Now let me explain why it's not true ;)
What you have to understand is that the technological difference, design ideology and production culture makes things like "stealing blueprints" useless. To build a B-29 copy it took a complete new technological process, equipment and years of research. Even copying a licensed DC-3 with all possible technical documentation took several years and almost a complete re-design.
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Originally posted by streakeagle
Aside from being twin-engined and twin tailed, there is little structurally in common between the MiG-25 and the F-15. Buran could easily be mistaken for the US space shuttle until you realize it has no engines. It is almost identical in every aspect. I wonder if any of the parts are actually interchangable, i.e. windscreen glass, rudder, etc?
Aside from having two wings and one tail there is little structurally in common between the Buran and Space shuttle. Look at the photos closer and you'll see that there is a difference in every part.
http://www.buran.ru
Not even mentioning that thermal-protection tiles on Buran lasted longer then on S.S. and weighted several times less. And Buran had a computer auto-landing system.
OTOH, on F-15 MD copied MiG-25 wings and tail exactly... Planes look absolutely the same if you look at them from below. :rolleyes: j/k ;)
This discussion is so pointless that I enjoy it :D
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Wow, this went off topic fast.
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The TU-144 was so well made that they were grounded for safety and remained grounded until NASA used 1 of them for a testbed. None are flying.:aok
The Boran made 1 unmanned flight (a total of 2 orbits), carried no payload and is unable to fly today. :aok
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Boroda I'm just curious but how many F-15s have you even been around? Considering I work them on a daily basis and have done so for almost 10 years now I can definately say there is very little similarities other than the basics. 2 wings, 2 verts, 2 engines. Thats about it.
Take a good look at the two. The MIG 25 is extremely blocky, low visibility due to cockpit placement, and was basically built around engines.
The F-15 on the other hand is alot sleaker in design, cockpit visibility is extremely higher than the Foxbat, and sorry but alot more pleasing to look at.
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(http://junior.apk.net/~rji/pix/harrier.jpg)
(http://www.netaxs.com/people/ebailey/mod13.jpg)
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lol Vulcan, yak 38 have 2 engines
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Russian planes and space shuttles are always totally unique and revolutionary, unlike American garbage.
No Russian plane or space shuttle even remotely resembles an American design.
Russia has nice fields for their stuff to rot in though :)
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Originally posted by rpm371
Borda, Stay Down!
(http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/Monino/mon94js_tu4.jpg)
(http://www.raymartinsr.com/tinian/b29s/b29-sittingpretty.jpg)
rpm, you are dumb...the design of the Soviet plane is clearly unique.
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(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/ensignboroda.jpg)
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Originally posted by Boroda
Aside from having two wings and one tail there is little structurally in common between the Buran and Space shuttle. Look at the photos closer and you'll see that there is a difference in every part.
http://www.buran.ru
Not even mentioning that thermal-protection tiles on Buran lasted longer then on S.S. and weighted several times less. And Buran had a computer auto-landing system.
OTOH, on F-15 MD copied MiG-25 wings and tail exactly... Planes look absolutely the same if you look at them from below. :rolleyes: j/k ;)
This discussion is so pointless that I enjoy it :D
Yes, Buran is a totally original design, right down to it's ceramic tiles. Buran was a leap forward in design and took the world by suprize with it's unique looks.
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Are the Russians still copying Rolls Royce jet engines?
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(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/ensignboroda02.jpg)
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The russians invented algore. Did you know that?
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Originally posted by Yeager
The russians invented algore. Did you know that?
(http://www.gilbertv.com/coppermine/albums/06142004/improper.jpg)