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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Edbert on June 15, 2004, 08:28:55 PM
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Is this worth putting any more time into? There's obviously a ton left to be done.
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-1.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-2.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-3.jpg)
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
There's obviously a ton left to be done.
I should probably start with making the black 14 into a Yellow 10 eh?
This is one of the oddest camo jobs the Luftwaffe ever fielded. The balkenKreuz's and the defense bands were painted over heavilly in the field, The landing gear spats were bare metal and the wings upper surfaces had patches of bare primer showing through the three color camo.
So back to the original question...does this seem interesting enough for me to continue working on?
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I'd fly it a time or two :D
Looks like you've already put quite a bit of work into it already, so I'd say finish her up at least. :)
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WHERE'S THE RIVETS????
;)
Don't mind me Edbert. I hadn't said anything as your work is far beyond my abilities. But it looks very nice however I'm prety much clueless as to LW aircraft schemes!
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i think its a good start... the pics of it i have seen look even more "busy", but that may have been from the size of the pic.
it does look like a distracting scheme up close, but from a distance i'll bet it would be UBER hard to see from above on the new AH terrain.
personally i would like to see this skin.
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It'll be a sweeter pleasure to fly it knowing how difficult it was for you to make it. :)
(http://www.eagle-editions.com/ec19instjpeg.jpg)
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I found one drawing of Yellow 10 that showed a light yellow/tan primer on the top of the wings but also found three others that did not....hmmm.
Anyhow I agree that the flauge was not busy enough, my brush was too large so i took out the yellow, added the "10" (I think it is not bright enough though) and busied up the pattern. Here's round two:
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-4.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-5.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-6.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-7.jpg)
Still need to put the green spinner in and adjust the supercharger color. BTW, for all you Luftwaffe experten...Wasn't the D9's spuercharger intake on the "driver's side"? Our D9 has it on the passenger side, which is where the D11 and D13 had it, or do I have it backwards?
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Supercharger is on the correct side.
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ddaaayum
there you go!
looking great.
i'll try and dig up the pics i got. also have a guy from work with some $100 book on paint schemes, and insignias from WWII. i'll try and get a hold of that.
looking good (cept the yellow 10 you mentioned).
MAN i whish i had a decent image editing prog other than MS paint to make skins.
<> and keep up the great work edbert
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What I need to know is the issues around the 1024 artwork conversion. Can I plan ahead and make my files fit for that when it arrives? Maybe I should post on the skins forum...
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JB,
You can get Paint Shop Pro 8 for $80 at Amazon.
Or, Paint Shop Pro 7 (i use it...i like it) for $25.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/002-9315447-5716041
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Originally posted by Edbert MOL
What I need to know is the issues around the 1024 artwork conversion. Can I plan ahead and make my files fit for that when it arrives? Maybe I should post on the skins forum...
i believe the 190d is already a 1024 skin... i may be wrong, ask kweassa.
tbolt, ty for the link, just ZERO extra funds for anything.
if i had $80 i'd buy a new processor LOL my MB supports up to an XP2400 i believe, and all i got is an XP1800 now.
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Sorry guys, I was watching those screen shoots, they're good like all of you can see but......I was thinking about the effort to make so nice skins, they make confusing the plane silouette with the terrain but......all is uneffective because of the icon system HTC have adopted for AH1 and now for AH2.
Pay attention I don't say the icon System is bad, I only say this system make de facto making every skin a mere hobby withouth any effect over the real play.
Infact you still can't hide yourself over the ground background (I'm sorry for the words play) because your icon reveals you'r there.
WW2OL have the most effective icon system and I think all the simulators that uses icons must comply with that sorta icon system.
The more you watch in a precise direction the more accurate you see, so if you take a look all around in few secs you could don't have the awareness of a near enemy because he is hiding with the background.
I don't know if I was clear enough.
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Clouds have u noticed that the enemy icons in AH2 are UNDER the A/C? if you fly NOE it doesnt show up to enemy's
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Uhm.....m8, what you said is not totally correct because you still can seen PARTS of icons and this parts reveals your position becuse the red color is a very good and visible FLAG:( :rolleyes: .
I think a little effort more from HTC could make this game a real unique game.
And more, do you really think to see a real aircraft from 6K even at 10k altitude fading with the horizon ?.
I think only a few pilots could have so accurate field of view, like in the real it was.
Take a look at the 6th picture, would you say to see an enemy plane that is still a little point and more of all that it is a pony in the reality ?
Compliments, make a telephon call to NASA and say them you don't need the Hubble telescope :p :D
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It's improving
was hard to see, maybe you need LW letters and numbers?
If you need them, download them quick. I will delete them tomorrow again.
http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/29_1087492195_ttf_bff.zip (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/29_1087492195_ttf_bff.zip)
And check your colours.
And at least that yellow seems not to be correct.
Have a look here.
http://jpsmodell.de/dc/luft_e.htm#lw (http://jpsmodell.de/dc/luft_e.htm#lw)
Right click on the colour and copy. Then you can open them in Photoshop and use the eyedropper tool. But i guess you know that.
Go on.
Ecke
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I reworked the camo colors on the fuselage using the RLM chips that Ecke directed me to, and fixed the "10". I did nothing to the upper wings at all yet, but I did a lot of small things to the underside. Here's round three:
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-8.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-9.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-10.jpg)
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This Gelbe 10? It’s actually a D-13.
You may want to clear it with Pyro. He’s has let other ac be skinned even though they are not the correct model.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=26089
(http://www.fw-190.de/buecher/Images/EagleFiles2%20-%20Yellow%2010%20.%20The%20story%20of%20the%20ultra-rare%20Fw%20190%20D-13.jpg)
Try this book....
A few tips…
The underside panel lines are way to "bold". I suspect you have an issue of getting the lines to look good on the underside and on the darker top.
There’s several ways the do this. The easiest is to make the under side panel / rivet lines separate layers so you can adjust those independently.
You can also create another layer of your panel / rivet lines and change them to white. Put this layer (these layers) underneath the darker panel/lines rivets. Offset them by 1 pixel back and down.
Now to get these "hi-lites" to line up you will need several layers. One for the right wing one for the left etc... This way they can all be offset in the right directions.
Also again to deal with the lighter underside you will need to have separate layers for the underside panel / rivet layer.
You will have many layers of panel / rivet lines but this way you can adjust the color / opacity every part of the ac independently.
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Edbert, you asked for a critique, but with the recent change in colors I don't think it needs much more critique.
A couple of things though:
* the panel lines are a little bit too pronounced on the belly side
* you might want to adjust the colors of the gunport grooves and the number "10" a little bit
Other than that it looks like its pretty much ready for submission, after some weathering applied.
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Can i ask one question since I am into skinning just dont know how to do it. I got a 3D object maker its called seriff 3d plus 2.0. I can put the skins on the models already in the program, But I dont know how i get the shape of the plane in the 3dmaker? Any suggestions.
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/334_1087540904_yellow-10.jpg)
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OK, thanks for all the help and advice fellas. Stil have not touched the spinner or tried the "Pik As" yet, but I think I'm about there. Whaddya think?
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-11.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-12.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-13.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-14.jpg)
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I'll definitely fly it. :)
Is there a historical reason behind the blue-colored gear, though?
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Originally posted by TBolt A-10
I'll definitely fly it. :)
Is there a historical reason behind the blue-colored gear, though?
They were bare metal on that particular plane, probably a field replacement. There are records of MANY long nose 190s having the extension plug (where the defense-of-the-reich stripes were) in bare metal. There were also leading edges, horizontal stabs, and wingtips in bare metal. 1945 was not a pleasant time to be in the Luftwaffe :D
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ah. cc. :)
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I cannot find the spinner anywhere in the artwork. Anyone found it on the 190D?
Anyhow, other than that I think I'm about done. One thing I cannot figure out is why the rivets that are there in the skin do not show up in the screenshots. There are there in the game, it must be the game generating the BMPs then me converting them to JPGs that washes them out.
Anyhow here are some examples of the skins themselves, plus a last batch of actual screenshots.
(http://www.edbert.net/images/190D9.gif)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/190D92.gif)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-15.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-16.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-17.jpg)
(http://www.edbert.net/images/y10-18.jpg)
I'm going to send it in to HTC and see if Nate can tell me where the spinner is.
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That is a beautiful 190 you have skinned bud! Thats deffenetly in my top 5 of best 190 skins. I really like it, WTG! :D
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:eek: Damn, that thing looks like a down 'n dirty grunt...just itchin' to kill somethin'.
I noticed the stripes back near the tail are painted-over by the camouflage. Is that because the field crew hastily painted it that way near the end of the war?
P.S.: I like that the blue undercarriage is now white.
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It's very nice now, Edbert. Well done!
But i missed one thing. So, i edited your pix.You see? Something like random-like weathering.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/29_1087833252_190d92copy.gif)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/29_1087832851_190d9copy.gif)
Ecke
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Originally posted by Ecke-109-
It's very nice now, Edbert. Well done!
But i missed one thing. So, i edited your pix.You see? Something like random-like weathering.
Ecke
Nice touch, Ecke.