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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: NUKE on June 15, 2004, 11:15:59 PM
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What does Kerry offer us?
So far, the economy is booming, jobs are being created, gas prices are going down, unemployment is low, inflation is low......
What does Kerry offer that Bush has not delivered?
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EL OH EL ROL ON TEH FLOR LOL
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Nash, give an answer worthy of you inteligence.... :)
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Am I to infer that you offered a premise based on yours?
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I haven't decided who I'm going to vote for, but I remain troubled at the overt religious direction the current president seems to be taking our country. I am concerned that the fine line distinguishing the US government and Christianity will fade the the two will begin to blend.
As someone in an upper tax bracket who owns a couple businesses, I stand to see significant financial gain to Bush remaining in office.
It's not that I like Kerry's policies, but there's a chance that I might decide not to vote FOR Kerry so much as vote against Bush. I haven't decided yet.
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Originally posted by Nash
Am I to infer that you offered a premise based on yours?
well, I based my post on facts. What was your premise?
Which seems more factual?
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Chair.... Theres more to life than money.
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Originally posted by Nash
Theres more to life than money.
So what does Kerry offer that Bush hasn't delivered?
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Seriously?
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Yes Nash, what does Kerry offer that Bush has not delivered?
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Leadership.
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Nuke, I really like his view points on the economy. The economy is coming around however Kerry has brought up some excellant points on the issues that impact the future of the economy and job market and our current tax etc in regards to that. Bush has essentially worked the WTO by reducing taxes for the wealthy in general. Yet the WTO itself is part of the problem. Bush doesnt seem (to me) to think that that is an important issue. Some people would say he basically put a bandaid on the problem. Others might call it differntly.
As far as foreign pilicy and international matters and terrorism. I think Kerry could do a better job of it. Its debatable whether Bush is handling foreign policy well.
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Originally posted by Nash
Leadership.
Really? is that all you can come up with? Bush has provided leadership... he has done what he said he would do. Kerry offers only question marks and doubts.
Kerry offers nothing but a negative attitude.
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whhoooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooshhhhhhhh
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maybe I missed somthing...again
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Nuke - Kerry will be hard on leadership and soft on supply-side mis-allocation of leadership. The West-Nile will will become a fertile ground of alternative fuel-based perogies and diplomacy will reign sweetly upon the land.
Smile. You might as well.
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Well Nash, name something Kerry has offered that Bush has not delivered.
Every issue Kerry has tried to play has been thrown back into his liberal face.
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Well you raise an interesting point. Since you brought it up, do you mind if we explore that for a minute?
What exactly is a liberal face?
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Originally posted by Nash
Well you raise an interesting point. Since you brought it up, do you mind if we explore that for a minute?
What exactly is a liberal face?
Nice diversion, but first answer what Kerry offers that Bush has not delivered.
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I see that Nash continues to be very clever...
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Presidentialism.
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so in other words, you can't say......since Kerry was never a President.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I see that Nash continues to be very clever...
screw off.... chick.
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Nuke - how many years of political office did Bush hold before becoming Pres?
How many years of experience did he have?
Google it... see ya inna sec.
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Nash you are losing badly here, I'll understand if you say goodnight.
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I'm used to it. :)
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Originally posted by Nash
Nuke - how many years of political office did Bush hold before becoming Pres?
How many years of experience did he have?
Google it... see ya inna sec.
But can you say what Kerry offers that Bush has not delivered?
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Nash
I dont really want to argue with you........
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U started it b1tch! :)
How many years?
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Originally posted by NUKE
So far, the economy is booming, jobs are being created, gas prices are going down, unemployment is low, inflation is low......
The president is responsible for this in what way?
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Originally posted by Nash
U started it b1tch! :)
How many years?
well...Kerry was in political office many years before Bush.
What has Kerry offered that Bush has not produced?
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Hang on...
How many years Nuke?
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Originally posted by Nash
Hang on...
How many years Nuke?
what does that have to do with what Bush has delivered?
What does Kerry offer that has not been delivered?
How many years of political office did George Washington have?
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I'm sorry but "I voted for the war befor I voted against it" does not sound very presidtential.
besides his discrace after the veitnam war he does not seem like a strait shooter. If I agree w/ an issue he'll agree w/ it while in my presence.....if he's talking to an opposing crowd he will go against what he says to me.
This means alot to me as a voter. Alot of librals hav bashed bush for his "with us or against us" stance.....I happen to agree with that. There is no grey area when it comes to terrorism....and Bush has done well to combat that....the libral defense to that has been "iraq has nothing to do with al queda" well I say "al queda is not the only threat" OPEN YOUR EYES LIBRALS SADAM SUPPORTED TERRISTS IN PALISTINE PROVEN FACT.....PLUS HE'S A TIRANT.
Not to mention this recovering economy we are having......Bush gets every blam for job loss but no credit for job creation.....well we had a ressetion and its now looking good.....give credit were credit is due.
I just despise kerry.....maybe......just maybe if the dems put up somone honest and decent......I might consider him.
but....as a veteran I cannot give my vote to Kerry who discraced all veterans.....that's just me.
sorry to get in the middle of a nuke/nash dispute
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Do you know what your local grocery store ISN'T delivering you?
No...
You only know what it is delivering you.
Now you can say "not that bad of a product, and not too expensive."
But how does it compare?
You don't know.
So yer question is unanswerable.
Mine isn't....
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I win
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Reasons that would have made me favor Bush more (not that I totaly disfavor him).
1) They got Osama for 911.
2) Found the WMD or proof that it was destroyed in the dessert somewhere. For all I know it could be in Iran or Syria.
3) Killed more terrorists and their groups. They're still out there doing damage.
4) Better relations with allies post 911.
5) Better job market despite the numbers showing a recovering economy (so strange).
6) Better border protection here and internal homeland defense protection without the worries of the patriot act. Patriot act is legal domestic spying and can be abused. At least revise it and put safeguards on it.
7) Served in NG or AF during combat. What military fighter pilot becomes a pilot then doesnt want a little action?
8) WTO issues and the future ecomomy.
Not in order of importance.
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Picture Nash as a Mallard.
Yeah baby... It's workin' for me.
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Originally posted by Nash
Do you know what your local grocery store ISN'T delivering you?
No...
You only know what it is delivering you.
Now you can say "not that bad of a product, and not too expensive."
But how does it compare?
You don't know.
So yer question is unanswerable.
Mine isn't....
you are slipping very badly....
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Originally posted by Nash
screw off.... chick.
Touchy lil watermelon arent you? A bit irritable today?
Here's a picture to cheer you up.....
(http://www.mestokladno.cz/html/images/stanley_cup_big.jpg)
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Nash, admit you are wrong and retain some respect.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Nash, admit you are wrong and retain some respect.
He's faaaar to clever for that...
(http://www.mestokladno.cz/html/images/stanley_cup_big.jpg)
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shreck it I am planting my flag in this heaping dog5h1t pile of a thread and declare myself victor MUUUAHahahahahah!
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Hey Grun.... Here's a Kleenex. Go wipe your pu55y.
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Originally posted by Nash
shreck it I am planting my flag in this heaping dog5h1t of a thread and declare myself victor MUUUAHahahahahah!
well if you offered an answer to what Kerry offers that Bush has not produced...maybe you would have been more at ease.
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I win
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Those are all the things I can think of. I have nothing against republicanism. I'm a very moderate person in political ideas. Some of the closest people I know are split between republicans or democrats. Not being biased at all.
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What does Kerry offer us?
Absolutely everything in his eyes.
We American are stupid for the most part. He is a man who with his brains and brawn will lead us as a country and be able to dictate with ease how we should live and run our lives. Infact we will not need to worry about running our lives, he will do it for us.
We may as well just piss all over the rights we have now as Americans if he is going to get into offce. (Which I doubt he will)
I hate the man and the ground he walks on.
ok im done.
Going to bed now :)
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Originally posted by Nash
Hey Grun.... Here's a Kleenex. Go wipe your pu55y.
Sorry your girlfriend just left....
(http://www.mestokladno.cz/html/images/stanley_cup_big.jpg)
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BUT I WINRZ TEH INTARDENET!
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I guess to summerize.......
Nobody can say what Kerry offers that Bush has not delivered.
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
Reasons that would have made me favor Bush more (not that I totaly disfavor him).
1) They got Osama for 911.
2) Found the WMD or proof that it was destroyed in the dessert somewhere. For all I know it could be in Iran or Syria.
3) Killed more terrorists and their groups. They're still out there doing damage.
4) Better relations with allies post 911.
5) Better job market despite the numbers showing a recovering economy (so strange).
6) Better border protection here and internal homeland defense protection without the worries of the patriot act. Patriot act is legal domestic spying and can be abused. At least revise it and put safeguards on it.
7) Served in NG or AF during combat. What military fighter pilot becomes a pilot them doesnt want a little action?
8) Still thinking....
1 and do you think kerry has a better chance of finding Osama?
2 WMDs were not the only reason for goin to war and be honest the whole world was snowed about it....who knows the might be burryed somwere
3 have you not heard about all the terrorist that have been rounded up world wide....how about the group that was taken out by the predeter drone.....when was the last terrorist attack on the US?
4 allies.....they've been rounding up terrorists left and right and helping us out so I'd say we have a great relationship w/ them.
5 do a search on monster.com and compare it w/ last year......heres a better one enter "electronics" as your search....CLUE last summer I could not find a job......this summer I'd have my pick of the litter.
6 try and cross from the mexican border and see if it's any easier than a couple of years ago.
7. Kerry spent a whole 4 months in combat more than bush.....that's 8 months less then his peer group of officer and 4 months more than clinton....sorry this doesnt equate.
8. Still thinking...thats ok.....look up his activities after the veitnam war and you will find something shocking.
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I win
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Originally posted by NUKE
Nobody can say what Kerry offers that Bush has not delivered.
Okay I'll answer you seriously Nuke....
Resoluteness.
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Mr Coffee ignore me...I've gotten myself intoxicated again and didnt complttyely read your post
;)
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LOL
:D
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Oh like that wasn't obvious.
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Originally posted by Nash
Okay I'll answer you seriously Nuke....
Resoluteness.
wow, what a great message. .. inspiring.
You are losing it very badly....just say goodnight brother.
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Originally posted by Nash
Okay I'll answer you seriously Nuke....
Resoluteness.
Can't disagree there...
Almost never has he passed up a chance to screw the common US soldier by voting against vital weapons systems that or urgently needed funding for troops in the field.
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Hey I answered your question 3 to 4 times now.
Wanna answer mine?
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Grun you all done with that looks like?
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Nash, you and I both know you lost this one very badly..... but I still love you as a person.
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Originally posted by Nash
Grun you all done with that looks like?
With what? Very curious...
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Nuke - It's about how ya play the game.
The less you say "win" on a BBS the less of a...
Just stop doing that - one frend to another....
Now answer my stupid question.
Grun go eat a sammich.
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Hey Nash, I love you brother......
I like to argue but I love you Nash
What question do you want me to answer? I will answwer.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
1 and do you think kerry has a better chance of finding Osama?
I cant say for sure of course but I believe that he can better rally the allies and thus provide security through more sucure allies and diplomatic relationships.
2 WMDs were not the only reason for goin to war and be honest the whole world was snowed about it....who knows the might be burryed somwere
At the very least, if they never do find it, I hope there arent any WMD.
3 have you not heard about all the terrorist that have been rounded up world wide....how about the group that was taken out by the predeter drone.....when was the last terrorist attack on the US?
Rounding up terrorists yes, I also feel they could be making new ones.
4 allies.....they've been rounding up terrorists left and right and helping us out so I'd say we have a great relationship w/ them.
Not with all the allies. The current lacking tone in dialoge with many of the US primary allies is currently affecting a more succesfull exit strategy.
5 do a search on monster.com and compare it w/ last year......heres a better one enter "electronics" as your search....CLUE last summer I could not find a job......this summer I'd have my pick of the litter.
Thats not entirely true.
7. Kerry spent a whole 4 months in combat more than bush.....that's 8 months less then his peer group of officer and 4 months more than clinton....sorry this doesnt equate.
He still served and you have to include his time on the Destroyer during his first tour.
8. Still thinking...thats ok.....look up his activities after the veitnam war and you will find something shocking.
As far as Im concerned, he served in combat, got shot at, and etc... What he did after the war is his earned right wether it be debatable or not by others. I believe his intentions were to save lives motivated by personal conviction.
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Nuke - Make love to me?
J/k bro I'm wondering how many years of political experience Bush Jr. brought to the table (why is it always about "Jr." with Texans? Answer that too if ya can).
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Originally posted by Nash
Nuke - Make love to me?
J/k bro I'm wondering how many years of political experience Bush Jr. brought to the table (why is it always about "Jr." with Texans? Answer that too if ya can).
Well, Bush Jr was Governer of Texas twice..... a very large state.
And "Jr" is common in America
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Well its easy Nuke. Kerry can start to clean up one of the biggest messes a president has ever been so weak and ineffectual to have created for your country.
Bushes economic legacy is still a vast net loss.
Bushes security legacy is a vast net loss.
Bushes diplomatic legacy is still a vast net loss.
Bushes leadership legacy will always be a vast net loss.
Calling Kerry negative because he opposes Bush is just assinine.
Saying Kerry will take away your freedoms when Bush has destroyed your freedoms to a greater extent then any other President in history is laughable.
Bush has done nothing for you Nuke but give you fear and self doubt leading to dishonesty.
Dont really know anything about Kerry except that people that are demonstrated racist, bigoted, narrow minded extremists hate him. So he has got to be better then Bush.
Neither are great president materiel. Hard to believe that those are the two best candidates from a great nation. But looking at the current canadian canditates Im not thowing stones, and who cares who the leader of Canada is anyway.
Did I miss anything Nuke?
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yes Pongo, maybe you can explaine what Kerry offerrs
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4 years or so of experience. In his entire life. Four years.
Gov. of Texas...
Kinda like being the coach of the '96 Bulls.
Now President.
Your question is what does Kerry offer that Bush doesn't.
Mine is what could Bush possibly offer that Kerry can't?
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Originally posted by Sandman
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That has got to be the most overused picture on BBS's evah.
So...
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the guy who made that 2nd pic, Saur, obviously got called teh ghey.
whiner.
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Originally posted by Nash
Mine is what could Bush possibly offer that Kerry can't?
One giant disaster after another?
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Pretty much yeah...
But a stupid thing happens when someone becomes prez...
It's like, all of a sudden it was destined, there can be no other, we gotz a bonfide LEADER here! How DARE you think our PRESIDENT is a tool?!
It makes them seem like monarchs and you seem like serfs. Get out the zombie scopes.
Bush walked into the office a goof. He remains so. Becoming prez doesn't mean automatically inheriting Ninja powers.
Asking what Kerry can do that Bush can't.... I don't get.
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I think kerry is doing as well as he is in the polls by staying very quiet... he is not in the mess that Bush is in so that makes him "anyone but Bush" but... he will have to answer questinons and hav a platform eventually...
At that point he will fall all over himself.. How will he justify higher taxes? more social programs? More infringment on 2nd amendment rights? will he justify it because we are so misserable? Hardly... the economy is good and as gas prices fall and iraq gets it's own government then people will forgive and forget Bush for percieved wrongs..
At that point all kerry will have is a liberal agenda to differentiate himself... just another mondale or... run of the mill liberal democrat looser the dems allways come up with.
Nash proves that it is an "anyone but Bush" thing right now... he has no idea what kerry is about but hopes he is a feel good liberal who will help make pot legal and make the U.S. pay for having such a good economy when canada is suffering so much.
and soeaking of which... Mr coffee... I believe that you really don't want us to have "better relations" with other socialist countries... the only way we can do that is to pay for everything and admit that we are wrong by not being as far advanced towards socialism as us .... even then... they will hate us just like they all hate each other. but... Once we are alll equally poor ... they will tolerate us.
lazs
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Oh... and nash... Bush was a very well liked governor who got things done and kept his word and... worked well with both parties.
kerry is a second or third rate senetor who doesn't get along with people and is bitter and mean... his record for voting is all over the map and he seems indicisive and leans very left of center. Hopefully... those things will become very apparent to the fence sitters here once the campaign startes focusing on the issues.
lazs
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As someone who gleefully ridicules both extremes of the political spectrum, I'm having a little trouble understanding the Kerry issue. My mind isn't totally closed to him, but "he isn't Bush" isn't going to win a vote from me. So...does anyone out there have any REAL reasons he should be our next president?
It's no secret W and his admin have problems and have made some mistakes, but unless Kerry starts demonstrating why he should be in power instead of why his opponent shouldn't, then I see no real reason to exchange status-quo for something unknown.
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my point exactly... the reason yu see so many attacks on minor and made up stuff here by the liberals and foriegn socialists on Bush is because they know that if things are going good in the economy and the iraq situation is under control by the election they wil have no chance ..
the kerry liberal mondale agenda will come out and his record and... poeple will go with what has been working.. if they can fill their tank they will vote to keep the guy who doesn't make em feel guilty for driving a car that will hold all their kids and is comfortable. they won't vote for the guy who doesn;t think they should be able to defend themselves using their second amendment rights.
lazs
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'Morning Lazs2. :)
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morning vor. lazs to you tho... no need to be formal here.
lazs
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Originally posted by Nash
Am I to infer that you offered a premise based on yours?
in fact his post is accurate, since kerry has started
every speech this weekend with "I'm running for pres because". So I guess he is having problems at the polls with his message
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/kerry/articles/2004/06/15/kerry_im_running_for_president_because_?mode=PF
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Originally posted by Nash
Leadership.
ROLFLMAO
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Nash, after reading all your post here, I sorry to see your back off the wagon, I really had hoped you could get clean.
Please get some professional help for your problem.
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he wasn't even the leader of that family "the munsters' that he played in.
lazs
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he is not bush
my little sister in DC states a phrase "ABB" is going around
"ABB" = "Anybody But Bush"
that is enough for some I guess ... sad really, hatred and ignorance can sway the weak mind, less informed general public as it does sometimes..
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I haven't decided who I'm going to vote for, but I remain troubled at the overt religious direction the current president seems to be taking our country. I am concerned that the fine line distinguishing the US government and Christianity will fade the the two will begin to blend.
As someone in an upper tax bracket who owns a couple businesses, I stand to see significant financial gain to Bush remaining in office.
It's not that I like Kerry's policies, but there's a chance that I might decide not to vote FOR Kerry so much as vote against Bush. I haven't decided yet.
never happen in fact we are the most secular nation on earth and militantly anti judeo-christian ethic at all governmental levels.
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Originally posted by JBA
Nash, after reading all your post here, I sorry to see your back off the wagon, I really had hoped you could get clean.
Please get some professional help for your problem.
:rolleyes:
... shreck 'em if they can't take a joke.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
I haven't decided who I'm going to vote for, but I remain troubled at the overt religious direction the current president seems to be taking our country. I am concerned that the fine line distinguishing the US government and Christianity will fade the the two will begin to blend....
You must be kidding, right? Good grief! Someone with principles scares you?? I haven't heard of anyone twisting your, or anyone else's, arm forcing you/them to attend a particular church, or Sunday School, or even worship God, period. In fact, if you pay attention to what this administration is saying you'll see that it's definitely in favor of seperation of church and state, and complete religious freedom: that includes the freedom to not practice any religion if you so choose. Offering a time of prayer/meditaion in schools, for example, is not the same thing as a state-sponsored religion.
*takes a deep breath*.....ok, I'm calmed down...sorry for the outburst, but that's mho.
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We have a leader who does what he says, the economy is booming, job being created, low unemployment, low tax rates, low interest rates, low inflation, Iraq winding down, gas prices going down.....
What does Kerry offer that we don't have? Kerry has tried to use almost every issue listed above and tell us how terrible things are. He's funny actually
Why would a voter risk a slimey fish like Kerry when everything is going forward very well now? Answer is that they wont and Kerry is going to lose big.
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LOL!!
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Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
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remove the gerbil :)
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lol eagler
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Originally posted by GScholz
*lol* What a great thread this is. While Nash is presenting his whole collection of one-liners Nuke is jumping up and down yelling "I win, I win" like the snot-nosed kid next door everybody ignores, and Grun's got a big US flag flying from his Croatian dick, and stubbornly keeps poking Nash with it. Other players eagerly join the fray and swing their "lightsabers" with stubborn determination.
However in all this ... nothingness, there is one guy who stands out. He's considering voting against Bush even if he stands to lose significant money by doing so. And that pretty much says it all IMHO.
Who are you voting for GS?...Oh wait....
(Who'd I streal that one from?)
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Originally posted by GScholz
*lol* What a great thread this is. While Nash is presenting his whole collection of one-liners Nuke is jumping up and down yelling "I win, I win" like the snot-nosed kid next door everybody ignores, and Grun's got a big US flag flying from his Croatian dick, and stubbornly keeps poking Nash with it. Other players eagerly join the fray and swing their "lightsabers" with stubborn determination.
However in all this ... nothingness, there is one guy who stands out. He's considering voting against Bush even if he stands to lose significant money by doing so. And that pretty much says it all IMHO.
oh yeah?
well I win!
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Originally posted by NUKE
But can you say what Kerry offers that Bush has not delivered?
Kerry offers a lot that Bush hasn't delivered.
Kerry offers 'equity' in tax cuts by canceling the cuts for the wealthiest percentile of Americans
Kerry offers a closer working relationship with the rest of the world by giving the UN a larger say in international matters.
Kerry offers an economic plan that focuses on protecting domestic jobs.
Most importantly, Kerry offers an administration that isn't the one that we've had for the last four years.
-People don't like Bush because we had an economic downturn on his watch
-People don't like Bush because he fumbles while in an open forum with the media
-People don't like Bush because he wears his religion on his sleeve.
-People don't like Bush because he allows the image of impropriety when it comes to deals with major corporations.
NOW, since I'm going to vote for George Bush's second term, I'd like to debunk these arguements.
-Those tax cuts to the wealthiest percentile are going to help everyone because that money will get spent or invested in the infrastructure of the United States. Had the tax cuts gone to completely eliminate tax for the lowest 20%, a much higher percentage of that money would have been lost on consumables.
-Under NO circumstances should the final word be placed on the altar of the UN. The fact of the matter is, even given our problems, the US govt is the least corrupt political organization the world has to offer.
-Forcing companies to stay in the United States instead of allowing to spread around the rest of the world cuts into thier profitability. Less profitability, less jobs, less taxes paid to the govt, etc.
-As far as people who hate Bush... There aren't enough of them to sway the vote. I have confidence in the American voting populace that enough people will actually consider the facts first before voting (no matter who they decide to vote for).
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-Forcing companies to stay in the United States instead of allowing to spread around the rest of the world cuts into thier profitability. Less profitability, less jobs, less taxes paid to the govt, etc.
I agree however the context of this statement is vary vague. Sure companies should get a foot hold of foreign markets and sell overseas. China has done a great job of that. Now the whole idea or invention of manufacturing overseas and vice versa seems logical in a perfect business world however in reality, with all due respect, its stupid practice. The world is more complex than common business doctrine and methodology. I think its dumb and and dumb politics supports it. In the near future, you will see that I and others who agree with this are right. in the end you will still need politics to protect and govern the entire fiasco.
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And Preon, the language is not directed at you. Just wanted to make that clear.
;)
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Originally posted by Preon1
- I have confidence in the American voting populace that enough people will actually consider the facts first before voting (no matter who they decide to vote for).
Great post, right up until you wrote the above...
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Originally posted by MrCoffee
I agree however the context of this statement is vary vague. Sure companies should get a foot hold of foreign markets and sell overseas. China has done a great job of that. Now the whole idea or invention of manufacturing overseas and vice versa seems logical in a perfect business world however in reality, with all due respect, its stupid practice. The world is more complex than common business doctrine and methodology. I think its dumb and and dumb politics supports it. In the near future, you will see that I and others who agree with this are right. in the end you will still need politics to protect and govern the entire fiasco.
I'll stipulate that you are aware of many things that I am ignorant of. I'll stipulate that I'm not a businessman and that my view of economics is certainly limited.
However, it seems any method for allowing business to become more efficient is a good thing. If a company can go to a foreign nation, play by their rules, and complete a job at a fraction of the cost than in the US, then more power to them! If it turns out that some quirk of international politics makes that venture unprofitable, then they'll pull out (by the way, a strong US foreign policy will make that all the easier for US companies)
Labor has survived the industrial revolution. It has survived the education of society, the indoctrination of women, and the dawn of the information age. It will survive international outsourcing.
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Now Im not completely against "outsourcing" and manufacturing overseas. However my own worries here are that the situation can easily get out of control. We have actually just begun to outsource and it has not been for that many years. Overseas manufacturing has been steadily happening for the past 20 years. The whole new situation of labor shift and economic fanancial efficiencies in the near future can easily become screwed. I just hope we have a leader that can guide us through this important turn and do it smart and right.
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translating what kerry is saying....
you need to pay more taxes.
you need to pay more for goods and have less choice.
you need to pay the U.N. more to socialize your country and take away your 2nd amendmant rights.
even tho allmost everyone who works has really good health insurance and only those who don't work get worse health care... it would be better if you payed for the useless by haveing a crappy health care system.
the wealthy are your enemy and anyone who makes more than you do right now should be punished cause it isn't fair that they earn more than you when you take into account your dissabbilty, your allergy to hard work.
you need to pay about twice as much for half the car.
lazs
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Article Title: "Offshoring Is No Crisis, Just 4,633 Lost In Q1, New BLS Data Show "
Author: CHRISTINA WISE
Section: Business & The Economy Date: 6/11/2004
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A Labor Department report out Thursday showed offshoring accounted for just 1.9% of the 239,361 U.S. workers who lost their jobs in mass layoffs in the first quarter.
In all, there were 1,204 mass layoffs from January to March, affecting 239,361 workers. Of these, 34 layoffs involving 4,633 people were due to overseas relocation of jobs; 79 layoffs hitting 9,985 people stemmed from the relocation of jobs within the U.S.
Concerns about the offshoring of U.S. jobs have received substantial print and TV media coverage in recent months. Democratic presidential contender John Kerry has railed against "Benedict Arnold" corporations.
"What the survey suggests is that at the height of concerns over offshoring, there were only 4,633 jobs shipped overseas," said Doug Porter, senior economist for Toronto-based BMO Nesbitt Burns. "When you consider the size of the labor market, it is really a drop in the bucket."
He added, "All through that debate we were trying to make the argument that the whole debate was overwrought and that offshoring was not a threat to the U.S. economy."
Of the total mass layoffs, 1.9% of lost jobs were due to overseas relocations. Excluding seasonal layoffs, 2.5% lost their jobs due to offshoring, while 5.5% stemmed from relocations within the U.S.
Meanwhile, the U.S. economy added 595,000 net new jobs in the first quarter and 1.2 million through May.
The Midwest was the hardest hit region of the U.S., accounting for 430 of the 1,204 mass layoffs in the first quarter. The West saw 313 mass layoffs, the South 246 and the Northeast 215.
Manufacturers had 386 mass layoff announcements in the quarter, followed by construction firms with 229 and retailers with 132.
The Labor Department plans to release similar reports in future quarters. The survey covers layoffs of at least 50 people at companies with 50 or more employees.
"It doesn't seem to be as bad as the talk was," said Gary Thayer, chief economist at A.G. Edwards. "Judging from the concern about offshoring and the discussions of it, you would have thought it was a much bigger percentage of the total than this report suggests."
There could be two reasons for that, he said: "One is that this is only a sample of one quarter and it could have been much bigger in other quarters. The other one is what I call the blue car theory. You buy a blue car and all of a sudden you start noticing all the other blue cars on the road and you think everyone has a blue car."
The same theory may be at play among workers who've seen their jobs eliminated due to offshoring.
"This shows a lot of jobs went overseas, but as a percentage of the total mass layoffs it was less than 2%," Thayer said of the data. "Some were due to companies trying to find lower cost wages, but it looks like a lot of it was due to companies in financial difficulty."
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