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Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: majic on June 16, 2004, 04:07:55 PM
In an election year that seems like the Democrats could take the Presidency, how could they come up with such a terrible candidate?  Shouldn't they have dug deep and come up with someone good?  Or do you disagree, and see Kerry as the next great leader (snicker)?

Seriously, I raise these questions not to look at the politics, but the internal mechanisms of the parties themselves.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: AKIron on June 16, 2004, 04:10:15 PM
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Originally posted by majic
In an election year that seems like the Democrats could take the Presidency, how could they come up with such a terrible candidate?  Shouldn't they have dug deep and come up with someone good?  Or do you disagree, and see Kerry as the next great leader (snicker)?

Seriously, I raise these questions not to look at the politics, but the internal mechanisms of the parties themselves.  Any thoughts?


I tried to tell 'em Lieberman but did they listen? Nooooooo.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Martlet on June 16, 2004, 04:10:45 PM
Honestly, I don't think anyone sees Kerry as the next great leader.  That's evident by his support.  He should be crushing Bush right now.

There's still plenty of time for that to change, though.
Title: they let the right guy slip through fingers..
Post by: Eagler on June 16, 2004, 04:17:45 PM
(http://www.republicansforsharpton.com/photo_album/rumble.jpg)
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Martlet on June 16, 2004, 04:19:06 PM
I would have been very comfortable with a Lieberman ticket.
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Post by: Fishu on June 16, 2004, 04:22:28 PM
It just seems to be a re-run of previous elections.
Kerry sounds a tad more convincing than Gore though... the inventor of internet.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: midnight Target on June 16, 2004, 04:25:23 PM
We figure 4 more years of Bush 2 and Hillary's a shoe-in.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Saurdaukar on June 16, 2004, 04:27:24 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
We figure 4 more years of Bush 2 and Hillary's a shoe-in.


Youre confident Hillary Clinton could be elected President?

Wow.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Otto on June 16, 2004, 04:36:44 PM
For both parties, the problems is, that the primaries turn into a 'Popularly Contest'.  The candidate chosen is not the one that has the best chance of winning.  The 'Smoke filled, back room' no longer matters.

 It would be better for each party if the 'Pros' could select a candidate that was more 'electable'.  

 I know this sounds line Heresy, but it's the truth.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Sandman on June 16, 2004, 04:37:16 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
We figure 4 more years of Bush 2 and Hillary's a shoe-in.


That will be a helluva show to watch too. LOL.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Krusher on June 16, 2004, 04:37:22 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
We figure 4 more years of Bush 2 and Hillary's a shoe-in.


4 more years of Bush and all the "I would vote for Mc Cain if he ran" crowd will have to put up or shut up.

I personaly believe alot of the folks who claimed they would vote for him will change their mind when it comes down to it.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Eagler on June 16, 2004, 04:57:29 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
We figure 4 more years of Bush 2 and Hillary's a shoe-in.


wow - you need a crystal ball and a 900 number bro :)
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: mietla on June 16, 2004, 05:09:28 PM
Sandman and MT,

kidding aside, but would guys really vote for Hillary?

Would it be a strong yes vote?

a reluctant yes vote?

a lesser or two evils vote?

a anyone but .... vote?
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Sandman on June 16, 2004, 05:11:48 PM
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Originally posted by mietla
Sandman and MT,

kidding aside, but would guys really vote for Hillary?

Would it be a strong yes vote?

a reluctant yes vote?

a lesser or two evils vote?

a anyone but .... vote?


Let's just say that it's up for consideration. Until she voices a particular agenda or vision, there's not enough information for an informed opinion one way or the other.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: AKIron on June 16, 2004, 05:56:04 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
We figure 4 more years of Bush 2 and Hillary's a shoe-in.


It's "shoo-in". Don't make me start a silly thread on you. ;)
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: midnight Target on June 16, 2004, 06:01:41 PM
You're right, but I've seen both in use.

from  http://boston.internet.com/news/article.php/3112771

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November 24, 2003
AT&T a Shoe-in for Network Deal
By Colin C. Haley


I'd consider Hillary for President. Why not?
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: majic on June 16, 2004, 06:49:10 PM
"I'd consider Hillary for President. Why not?"


Other than the utter and complete evilness, I can't think of a reason.

;)
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Post by: Kieran on June 16, 2004, 06:58:41 PM
I did vote for McCain when he ran. ;)

Majic, don't call MT's girlfriend names. He doesn't like it.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: storch on June 16, 2004, 11:06:54 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I'd consider Hillary for President. Why not?


Certainly you must be joking
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: AKIron on June 16, 2004, 11:26:39 PM
I guess Arnold needs 8 years as Governor before we decide a Constitutional amendment is in order? Four years with Hillary oughta guarantee it.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 17, 2004, 12:54:58 AM
I knew the Dems were screwed when Al Sharpton was the one making the most sense at the Democratic convention LOL
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Yeager on June 17, 2004, 01:21:41 AM
There is no way in hell that b*tch will ever be president.

Zipp...nada...no fediddleing way.

End of story
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Eagler on June 17, 2004, 05:55:38 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I'd consider Hillary for President. Why not?


what pound test you have on there? Hope the drag is set right ...
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: deSelys on June 17, 2004, 06:50:49 AM
Can't you guys force Colin Powell to be President??
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: storch on June 17, 2004, 07:05:49 AM
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Originally posted by deSelys
Can't you guys force Colin Powell to be President??


We've tried but the great General has been defeated by the most compelling force on planet earth, his wife.  Mrs. Powell won't let him run.  Since you are a euro and therefore not hetero you wouldn't understand.  :D
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: midnight Target on June 17, 2004, 07:15:42 AM
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Originally posted by majic
"I'd consider Hillary for President. Why not?"


Other than the utter and complete evilness, I can't think of a reason.

;)


Oh come on! Give me one legitimate example of evilness.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Shane on June 17, 2004, 07:23:33 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Oh come on! Give me one legitimate example of evilness.


she bred?
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Post by: DREDIOCK on June 17, 2004, 07:25:00 AM
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Originally posted by Yeager
There is no way in hell that b*tch will ever be president.

Zipp...nada...no fediddleing way.

End of story


Oh yea?
Assuming GB wins this election. If she runs in 08 Who do the republicans have waiting in the wings to run against her?
Cheney doesnt want the presidency
Hillary is a very real possability for 08.
And that thought scares the hell outa me.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on June 17, 2004, 07:31:45 AM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Oh come on! Give me one legitimate example of evilness.


Torturing a bunch of goat farmers and lying about it does it for me.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Shane on June 17, 2004, 07:33:14 AM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Hillary is a very real possability for 08.
And that thought scares the hell outa me.


you guys made that bed.

now hillary gets to sleep in it.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: muckmaw on June 17, 2004, 07:45:00 AM
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Oh yea?
Assuming GB wins this election. If she runs in 08 Who do the republicans have waiting in the wings to run against her?
Cheney doesnt want the presidency
Hillary is a very real possability for 08.
And that thought scares the hell outa me.


Don't worry, Dred.

If Hillary runs on the Dem ticket, anyone of us including Mr. Black could run against her and have a good shot.

It would be just like ABB...Anybody But Bush...

Only it would be Anybody But the Biatch.

BTW, am I the only one that wants to have rough angry sex with Hillary, culminating in a demeaning money shot?

Hello?.....

Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Martlet on June 17, 2004, 07:45:14 AM
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Torturing a bunch of goat farmers and lying about it does it for me.


Who tortured goat farmers and lied about it?
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: muckmaw on June 17, 2004, 07:56:09 AM
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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
Torturing a bunch of goat farmers and lying about it does it for me.


Wow, you've been owned by the media.

Congrats!
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: deSelys on June 17, 2004, 08:10:12 AM
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Originally posted by storch
We've tried but the great General has been defeated by the most compelling force on planet earth, his wife.  Mrs. Powell won't let him run.  Since you are a euro and therefore not hetero you wouldn't understand.  :D


Now that you mention it, I've always been attracted by smelly fat big mouthed cubans....














...wanna cyber?
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: lazs2 on June 17, 2004, 08:42:45 AM
hillary?  national health care.... filegate... gun control... janet reno... her appointing judges... her signing every fruitcake liberal bill that comes down the pike.   If she was in a coma I might vote for her if it was certain she would not get better.

lazs
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: mosgood on June 17, 2004, 09:59:32 AM
Ya....  Hillary is a disaster.  If the right woman wanted to run (and had big boobs) I would think about it, but not Hillary.

I can't think of one thing about her that says "Presidential"
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Post by: Gunthr on June 17, 2004, 10:25:22 AM
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I knew the Dems were screwed when Al Sharpton was the one making the most sense at the Democratic convention LOL


Kerry should ask Al Sharpton to be his running mate.

Or at least include some diversity in his campaign chain of command.

He won't though, because he is uncomfortable being around negroes.
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Post by: slimm50 on June 17, 2004, 11:25:33 AM
Actually, I'd like to see Hillary in there in 4 years. That'd drive a f***n HUGE nail in the DNC's coffin by the time she was through.
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Post by: Otto on June 17, 2004, 11:31:08 AM
I have no problems with a woman President.  Jeanne Kilpatrick comes to mind.

She could really kick 'A' at the UN.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: Dune on June 17, 2004, 11:35:46 AM
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Originally posted by slimm50
Actually, I'd like to see Hillary in there in 4 years. That'd drive a f***n HUGE nail in the DNC's coffin by the time she was through.


Except we'd have no guns, a competely flawed national healthcare plan, Screaming Leftist Liberal Twits on Federal Benches and God only knows what other plagues.

I would rather have that wingnut who yelled himself out of the DNC primary than her.  Hell, I'd take Thrawn over her.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: muckmaw on June 17, 2004, 11:58:12 AM
Correct me if I am wrong and I may very well be, but isn't John Kerry considered to be the most left Senator in the congress at this time?

I remember reading somwhere that his voting record displayed this.

Anyone got anything further on this rumor?

Is it possible Kerry is even more Liberal than H. Clinton and Ted Kennedy?
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: mietla on June 17, 2004, 12:10:35 PM
How about Maggie Thacher?
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Post by: Eagler on June 17, 2004, 12:21:24 PM
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Kerry should ask Al Sharpton to be his running mate.

Or at least include some diversity in his campaign chain of command.

He won't though, because he is uncomfortable being around negroes.


unless they work for him
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: lazs2 on June 17, 2004, 02:55:23 PM
I don't think any democrat has to cater to the negroes any more than the party does... the negroe vote is locked in no matter what.   They will lockstep vote democrat.

lazs
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: JBA on June 17, 2004, 03:15:12 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
We figure 4 more years of Bush 2 and Hillary's a shoe-in.



my prodiction,

Bush/Chenny win, Chenny steps down for "health" reasons/ heart you know. And RODALPH GULIANNI is made VP and he B slaps Hillary in the next election.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: AKIron on June 17, 2004, 03:18:11 PM
Even the democrats aren't so out of touch with reality as to nominate Hillary, right?
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Post by: lada on June 17, 2004, 05:08:09 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman
That will be a helluva show to watch too. LOL.

yeah and then we will who and where she did blow :D
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: midnight Target on June 17, 2004, 05:08:14 PM
There's only one problem with Hillary as President.

The right wing propaganda blitz will kick back in and she will be mercilessly attacked even more than her poor husband. The spin doctors in neo-con land will never allow her to succeed.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: storch on June 17, 2004, 05:45:36 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
There's only one problem with Hillary as President.

The right wing propaganda blitz will kick back in and she will be mercilessly attacked even more than her poor husband. The spin doctors in neo-con land will never allow her to succeed.


Poor Billy Jeff and Hillary.  Did someone finally remove the half buried tractor tires from the driveway of the Presidential Mansion?
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: midnight Target on June 17, 2004, 05:47:38 PM
see
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Post by: VOR on June 17, 2004, 06:38:56 PM
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Originally posted by midnight Target
There's only one problem with Hillary as President.

The right wing propaganda blitz will kick back in and she will be mercilessly attacked even more than her poor husband. The spin doctors in neo-con land will never allow her to succeed.


You're absouely right MT. You'd think that doing the right thing would be enough to get you by, but your political enemies will block you at every turn despite your best intentions and then spin up some story baked in half-truths and speculation to destroy you. We've seen it time and time again. In fact, we're seeing such a war waged right now against the current administration. One thing's for sure...whether it's "W" or Hillary, there will always be enough of a tool fanbase to believe the crap the other side feeds them and vote accordingly.
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 17, 2004, 11:24:38 PM
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Originally posted by Shane
you guys made that bed.

now hillary gets to sleep in it.


You guys?
Who exctly is "you guys"? LOL
Title: Forget partisanship for a moment...
Post by: stiehl on June 18, 2004, 05:32:27 AM
Rudy isn't a partyline stepper, I doubt that he would be willing to be Bush,s VP.
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Post by: lazs2 on June 18, 2004, 08:29:52 AM
"I would rather have that wingnut who yelled himself out of the DNC primary than her. Hell, I'd take Thrawn over her"

I always thought that they were the same person.

las