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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on June 16, 2004, 04:15:48 PM
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I've been playing for the past couple of days. Months ago, I played JumpGate for a bit, but after reaching the rank of "optimus", I quickly lost interest.
By comparison, EO is just huge. The playing area is so immense, I am sure I could play for years and not get to every part of it. Character development seems fairly complicated (a good thing) as well as the player based economy. If I stick around, it's going to take me awhile to understand it.
I also like the combat interface. It's more about strategy than gamesmanship. I got a rude lesson in JumpGate. There I was, level 50, and I got beat like a three-year old in K-Mart by a couple of guys that really understood how to fly and win in a vacuum.
Anyway... any players here?
After a couple of nights playing, my chat buffers were practically empty, but the last night I played I had quite a few corporations recruiting me. I'm holding off for the time being. In JumpGate, my affiliations were getting me into more trouble than I had bargained for.
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I played JumpGate for years. I only just recently cancelled my accounts. There's a few JG guys that play AH.
I did Eve beta, but didn't really care for it. Has it gotten better?
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I played EO for about a month immediately after it went public. The trading system was interesting but got tired of the mining. Anything else to it?
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Originally posted by Martlet
I played JumpGate for years. I only just recently cancelled my accounts. There's a few JG guys that play AH.
I did Eve beta, but didn't really care for it. Has it gotten better?
I can't answer the question. I didn't play Eve beta, but the eye candy is much better than JG (not that that means anything). The character leveling and races allow for much more diversity than JG did. There are races and then within each, there are tribes or other political affiliations. Where JG was a space game with some very loose role playing aspects, the role play in EO begins right at character generation.
There's a lot of different options for ships as well. To make that even more complicated, your character skills and experience can directly affect the performance of the ship. It's more than just setting thresholds on what you can buy or operate. Certain ship subsystems can operate more efficiently if your character has the skills.
Oh... on top of that, you can have up to three characters. They aren't at all linked.
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Originally posted by AKIron
I played EO for about a month immediately after it went public. The trading system was interesting but got tired of the mining. Anything else to it?
I can see where mining can get old. I've done a fair bit already. But there's money to be made in other ways and so far mining really isn't any more lucrative than doing courier missions.
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geeks
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Originally posted by midnight Target
geeks
Shush. Some people around here don't yet realize that they are geeks. :D
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I too am a Jumpgate junkie. Kinda funny what some folks lose to pirates cause they wont get off the phone.
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Been there. Founded a corp. We all got cruisers. Nice blueprints. Quite a large mining player base. Killed lots of pirates. Got my skills up quite a bit (all of em). Got a lot of crokite and whatever. Went where no man had gone before...
Booooring.
Daniel
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I was in the beta... trried really hard to get into Eve... but just couldnt.
I think its too complicated for the average gamer just trying to feel it out. Sure thats great for a game you understand, but in the beta the learning curve was HUGE and I quickly lost interest.
Same question as above... has it gotten better? In other words... is it easy to figure out WTF youre supposed to do beyond fly around, oogle at the graphics, and wait in line to mine asteroids behind 20 other people?
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I played the EO beta. I was dumbfounded when they went live because the game was still 3 monts from completion in my opinion. The price in the stores quickly went from $49.99 to $24.99.
I might give it another try someday.
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I think Fileplanet is offering a DL'ed version for $9.99 now.
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Skill-based combat is the beauty of Jumpgate, sandman, and what's kept me playing it for so long. It doesn't matter what level you are, what matters is whether you know how to fly. :)
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I've been in Eve for a year and am still having fun
Sandman, mail me your Eve character name at the address in my profile and I'll contact you in game if you'd like some help or pointers?
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Originally posted by Engine
It doesn't matter what level you are, what matters is whether you know how to fly. :)
without getting banned.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
I might give it another try someday.
Picked it up at BigLots today for $3.99. Time for another go.
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Are you allowed to attack other players at will in that game, or is it nerfed like Ultima Online became?
I loved Ultima Online until the sissies ruined the whole game and forced it to become a virtual chat room with people knitting clothes and other garbage or "exploring" the now 100% safe, protected lands.
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played the stress test portion of beta for it, buggy, boring POS...immediatly after it went gold i played runescape for about a week and had much more fun, wich isnt saying much for eve...
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Picked it up at BigLots today for $3.99. Time for another go.
lol, they sell computer games at BigLots?
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I have one nearby, does it come with a free month or something? :)
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Eve, EO.....are these simular as EAB...Earth Obove and Beyond? It sounds the same...mining and all?
Anyone got a link were can check it out?
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Earth and Beyond sucks. It's been cancelled anyway. Eve Online isn't half as cartoony as E&B. From what I remember, EO has very pretty eye candy, neat space like chill out music, and a dynamic market... and mining. Tons of mining.
The only way I could see myself getting into it again would be finding someone already playing to help get you up to speed. Lonewolfing, just like in any game, gets old and quite boring.
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actuly we tried Laneage2 yesterday, it seems to be a bit intersting. But its more like Anarchy online not like things you speak about. But it is way better that AO IMO.
Anyony playing it ?
Btw in L2 if you will start as Dark elf, you should know that official language of dark elfs is probably chinese, yesterday we were messing in some far land and nobody spoke english there :D
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Originally posted by Octavius
I have one nearby, does it come with a free month or something? :)
Yes, one free month. It's obviously a close-out so hurry. :)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Are you allowed to attack other players at will in that game...
Yes, you are allowed, but you better think about it before you do. It can affect your security rating and if your rating gets too low, you become open game. Right now, I'm far too much of a small fish to attract such attention. It's fairly complicated... I've seen guys with bounties on their heads but because I was in a "secure" sector of space, I wasn't free to shoot. I'm still trying to understand the criminal/political rules. I've got time. It will be quite awhile before I work up to a ship that is large enough to equip with large weapons.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Eve, EO.....are these simular as EAB...Earth Obove and Beyond? It sounds the same...mining and all?
Anyone got a link were can check it out?
From what I gather, EO was based upon a RPG game called Traveller. More info at: http://www.eve-online.com
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Sand, are you working with anyone to improve your standing/wealth? What options do you have, as a relatively small 'newguy' to EO, to improve that status? I hope you're not relegated to small scale trade routes and endless mining are ya? I'm thinking about giving this a shot again :)
lol, Aces High corporation anyone? :D
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Originally posted by Octavius
lol, Aces High corporation anyone? :D
I'll consider giving it another go, especially if we can get an Aces High Corp going. :)
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Originally posted by Octavius
Sand, are you working with anyone to improve your standing/wealth? What options do you have, as a relatively small 'newguy' to EO, to improve that status? I hope you're not relegated to small scale trade routes and endless mining are ya? I'm thinking about giving this a shot again :)
lol, Aces High corporation anyone? :D
I've done some drilling, but at this point in the game, I have more wealth than I can spend. The primary goal at this point is just building up my skill level so I can upgrade to a bigger ship. The majority of missions I do are "kill" missions for the Caldari Police Force.. pirate hunting.
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Reactivated my account. What the heck for $15 it's worth another look.
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Downloading it from the EVE website :) They're having a promo deal for 14 days free by registering an account at http://www.mmorpg.com. Just registered - I'll see if this promo works.
Sand, Iron, what are your ingame handles, what empire are you affiliated with, and what are your skills and professions? :)
I'll have to refresh myself, but I think the communication system is pretty good for finding other players.
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My handle is Ironious. I reactivated my account and have downloaded the latest file but haven't logged back in yet. Will likely do it tomorrow morning.
I was wrong, that is my login, my character is Samanzar, coorporation is Republic University.
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Whew, lot to refresh myself on. Looks pretty much the same as it did when I played a year or so ago. You guys aware of any changes to the game in the last year?
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heh, major ditto. Went through the tutorial... starting out with the newbie missions right now. Unfortunately, octavius was already taken. My handle is "octardius" now.
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And all I was trying to find is a skilltree to show me what I need to command my new industrial ship. :D
http://eve.enviroweb.org/what_is/main.html
To bad their forum isn't available. I'd be sorely tempted to bait a hook let out some line there.
We as a species are in an arrested state of adolescence as insecure egos (mostly male) compete for unrestrained power and attention. Playing god, they manipulate life by splicing genes in a frenzy of womb envy. As profit-driven warmongers, they traffic in death. Defiling our habitat, the patriarchs seem to be recklessly inventing new ways to junk Earth like some inner city ghetto and venture off in sterile techno-womb machines for ever more vainglorious conquests on the cosmic plane.
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Originally posted by AKIron
Whew, lot to refresh myself on. Looks pretty much the same as it did when I played a year or so ago. You guys aware of any changes to the game in the last year?
Lots of changes since this time last year.
1. Ore distribution system changed.
2. Player-conquerable stations in 0,0 regions
3. Research agents added.
4. Highway system changed.
5. Ship manouvreability and speed now based on mass/inertia.
6. Class based speed mwds and ABs introduced.
7. Elite frigates (Covert Ops and Interceptors introduced)
8. No more cruise missiles on frigates or torpedoes on cruisers \0/
9. Large turret tracking nerfed thus forcing fleets to use frigates for defence against opposing frigates.
10. Sentry guns added to 0,4 to 0,1.
11. Deployable mobile warp disruptors introduced.
12. NPC faction ship AI vastly improved and kill bounties increased accordingly.
13. "Tech 2" technology stack introduced.
14. Game stability vastly improved.
15. Player attributes can now be enhanced via the use of cybernetic implants.
Probably more but that's what springs to mind at first. The changes to weapons and small ship fitting requirements have made PvP combat great.
A new player can be in a frigate and contributing to his side with a week or 2 of skill training. Teamwork and communication is now just as important as experience and/or having the biggest ship and guns. Case in point; on Sunday night, 4 of us from my corp took down a Scorpion class battleship (value 60-70 mil) from an opposing corporation using a pair of cheap cruisers and 2 frigates.
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Thanks for the info Momus. Bought the industrial ship but didn't realize the diff between industry skill and the ship industrial skill. Savin' up to buy the needed skill.
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So... anymore words on an A-H CORP?
just re-loaded it on my comp, havent played since beta. seems a little easier to get sh@t done.
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It'll be a while before any of us can start a corp ;) Until I gain a little more status, I'll be putting along. Today was great progress though. I bought a new ship (Tristan), outfitted it with increased cargo expanders, and tossed in two Miner 1's. I mined for about 400k in one hour. Thats not bad :) Now that I have cash flow, I'm investing in a ****load of skills.. starting with the Learning category for improved training.
I also joined a corp - many experienced vets willing to help out.
I talk to Furious online. He is on the 14 day trial promotion. I saw Iron on a few times in the past few days.
It's looking like I *might* be paying for this... I'm enjoying it. We shall see.
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So, whats the over all rating for this game? Worth checking into? Hear it being mentioned alot lately, and I'm expanding my gaming horizons.
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It's your standard RPG. Very broad: HUGE universe, excellent PvP, excellent graphics, dynamic market, etc... and many many players out there willing to help ya get started. Too much for one post :)
Corporations can be completely player driven. Can you say corporate warfare? :)
If you're interested, check out their website: http://www.eve-online.com . Or go to some random gaming site and read a few reviews.
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I'm loving the fact that we can learn skills while not logged in. God I remember how tiresome a chore it was to macro in UO, Having to set set up the endless UOA scripts. hehe and DAMN! 400k, jeez I thought I was on a role at 40k :P
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ooooo... think i'll download this and give the trial a go.
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Bump....so that I can find this thread later.
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Well i've just downloaded it, lets see how i do.:)
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I'm on my 2nd day of the 14 day trial. Still lonewolfing, but I think I've got the hang of it. Already bought me a merlin frigate, just can't fly it yet. (14 hours more for caldari frigate III)
Charactor name is Simanov.
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Originally posted by Dogsta04
I'm loving the fact that we can learn skills while not logged in. God I remember how tiresome a chore it was to macro in UO, Having to set set up the endless UOA scripts. hehe and DAMN! 400k, jeez I thought I was on a role at 40k :P
There's only one problem. If you have multiple characters, you can only train one of them at a time.
Guess I should add... I've been at this for a month or so... I'm working up to the cruiser class of ships. It's going to be awhile. I'm sure I'll need to work on skills for larger weapons as well...
Character name is "Uomo DellaSabbia".
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oh I knew about the one char at a time thingie, wich is fine by me.
am just stoked that I can progress though a game with out having to spend hours apon hours in front of my machine.
because we all know I never macro'd unattended :P
Dogsta's the Name. Chillin's the Game!
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I nominate Sandman to head our Aces High Corporation. All in favor? You already join a corp Sandy?
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I don't have the skills to head a corp at this point.
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Wevlng and I are sharing an account, my avatar is Traxlweav, his is Traxlwevlng.
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Wow, EO looks like fun. I never new that these types of games existed. (I need to get out more..... :D
I'm going to D/L and play the Free Trial. Please keep me in mind if your starting a Clan/Corp/Tribe.
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Took some missions. Nice break from mining, and help me to learn how to set waypoints into the auto pilot. Got three ships now, the trainer (which no one wants to buy, lol), a frigate, and a fast shuttle for courior duty.
The learning curve is pretty large, but there's lots of different stuff to do so I'm having a blast. Been invited several times to join a corporation, but turning them down politly waiting for the AH corp.
Traxlweav
edit: a nice feature, you can minimize while mining, or going through jump gates on auto pilot and surf or whatever. I'm mining Plagioclase as I post this;)
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I installed it yesterday and talked with Sandman a bit before I logged off. My ingame name is Smooth Operator and I fly Gallente. I'm pretty poor running courier missions in the stock Velator. Hopefully I'll be able to buy a bigger sihp and some miner 1's, get that crap over with and then move into building weapons and other things when I have money. I also have ship building skills.
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Buy a fast shuttle for courier missions. They're dirt cheap.
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Originally posted by AKWeav
Buy a fast shuttle for courier missions. They're dirt cheap.
Wow huge improvement, thanks for the tip!
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I'm based at the Federal Navy Training School in the region of Essence. Problem is I'm probably going to want to move my base of operations soon. I don't want to leave my extra ships behind. Be nice if I can fly one to the new location, and catch a ferry ride back to to get the others.
Let cha know what I figure out.
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Whats a good place for a caldari noob fighter guy to get some decent missions?
I've been doing agent missions in the .9 space around new cardari but thats getting old. Since I bought a merlin the bad guys are just too easy.
Also, what the heck are the escro missions? I see tons of those posted, but I'm not sure how they work.
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Just when I thought I had the mining all stitched up by buying a large industrial ship I discover that while I now have a huge cargo area I can only fit one mining laser and I have no drone bay. Do you know how long it takes to mine 7,500 units of omber with a single mining laser? OK, I'll buy a huge secure cargo container, drop it off in an asteroid belt and use my probe to mine and fill it up. Then I'll use the big ship to ferry the omber to a station. Seemed like a good plan, bought the cargo container and then discovered I don't have the skill to anchor it, DOH! Oh well, live and learn.
BTW, for you newer guys without more advanced skills in refining, you may get more by selling the raw unrefined ore. I mine omber pretty much exclusively and get more for it unrefined.
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Which part of the galaxy ya work Iron?
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Minmatar Weav, working out of Anher just now.
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get a crusier with mining drones and fit cruser to the gills with minine lazer2's, then get a friend with a cargo ship and have him hall it back to the station, then split the proffit 50/50 with him.
no cargo containers just jettison the ore into space for the cargo ship to pick up. If anyone comes close to steal ore have the crusier blast the guy :D
My brother and i did that for a long time and we made a killing.
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I use to use this website for help, not sure if some of the stuff is outdated but take a look.
http://www.evegate.net/guides.php
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Chaos is correct, mining is generally best done as a team activity. Having someone haul for you really ups your productivity. However, it gets very dull very quickly, so try and get out into low security space ASAP where the returns are higher for less work, albeit at an increased risk.
There is currently an Eve-wide shortage of the mineral Nocxium, so going after ores that contain this might be more profitable. In 0,5 + space, this can be found in moderate amounts in Pyroxeres rocks. If you go to 0,4 and under, there's plenty in Jaspet and Hemorphite rocks. Get a friend with good refining skills to process the raw ore and then haul the nocxium to a trade hub like Yulai or Luminaire and sell it at a huge mark-up. :)
If anyone comes close to steal ore have the crusier blast the guy
A word of caution, the way the game mechanics are currently set up mean that if you blast an ore thief in 0,5+ space, the police will blast you in return.
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Originally posted by Momus--
A word of caution, the way the game mechanics are currently set up mean that if you blast an ore thief in 0,5+ space, the police will[/b] blast you in return. [/B]
True, i was thinking of a no police area.
"newbie tip" Right click on open space to get a beter menue for space flight. helps when you want to go to a astroid belt or a station instead of finding the triangle or what not in space.
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Good to see some support for this game. I had some high expectations for this game, but matters of real life came into play and couldn't play EO.
I beta tested it from the start to release, along with Jumpgate.
All I remember this game had a lots to learn. It was fun, but it does take some time.
-BM
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Minmatar Weav, working out of Anher just now.
I come up empty on both doing a search in the auto pilot data base.
Why not come see me at Duripant Navy school. Got some extra items from THX 1138 in exchange for some Scordite. Maybe you can use some of the items I don't need.
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I'm working with level 2 agent in 0.4 space... kill mission for my little frigate... A Gurista Wrecker and 3 Gurista Despoilers just blew my ship out from under me...
Got insurance, but re-outfitting is such a pain.
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ouch! I just bought a Merlin the other day. I have 2x150mm railguns and am learning standard missile launchers right now. I want to blow more ****e up :) The highest pirate (Serpentis) I've killed, by some miracle, was worth about 40,000. I have only been on and off to start/restart new skills. Heh, my interest is failing already. Once I level up a tad, I'll venture back out. I feel likeI have ADD... too many games to play :D I'm going outside...
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I've been in the Merlin for quite a while now. Today, I've been trying out the Neutron Blasters rather than the 150mm railguns. They do an assload of damage, but you've got to get in close.
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Range is key. I usually don't allow the enemies to fire. I open up at 12-15k and set orbit or 'keep at range'. The 150s do anywhere from 10-50 points of damage. How do the blasters compare at optimal range?
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The damage is 30 or so per... it's the rate of fire that's higher.
Optimal range is 2.5K. :eek:
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Kestral w/ 4 missile launchers. Orbit 20k out and do 60-80 damage per hit.
...you want mine?
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You going somewhere?
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Not bad Furitard. I'll take two!
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I'm using the merlin w/ 2x150mm +2x missle launchers as well. Its really too damn easy. Just close to within 20K, open fire and turn around. If you let them chase you you can take out multiple wreckers and despoilers. If you keep your distance they usually won't even damage you.
I'm using 2x magnetic stabilizers (think thats what they are called) They increase the range and damage of hybrid turrets.
Right now I'm training up for interceptors. Hopefully I'll have it before my free trial is up. So far, the game hasn't been much of a challenge. I've got more money from just killing pirates than I can spend. More skills than I'll ever have time to train up. And I've never even come close to losing a ship yet.
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I just got me a merlin last night.....got
2 75mm rail guns w/ anti matter rounds
a standard missle and standard rocket launcher
Last night I came apon a fugative hideout near jita and cleaned house.
I killed gritas (SP) after gritas.....then I found their stash. An entire field of cargo containers (about 25) w/ all sorts of upgrades that I cant use. After selling and recycling them I ended up with about 190K.
was pretty cool!
BTW my SN: is Gnslngr AH2 and i've been working out of kakalaka or something.
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Sand hows the future corp plans comin?
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Most of the "plans" are in my head. I know there is a cost to starting and maintaining a corp. I doubt that I have the capital yet.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I killed gritas (SP) after gritas.....then I found their stash.
Was it 'Guristas'...? That little bastard jumped my mining ship at Nonni yesterday and destroyed it. I didn't think that was allowed in a 0.5 area. I got away in a 'pod' and added 5,000 to this bounty..
My handle is 'DaveW' and I'm working out of Ikuchi in the Forge region.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Most of the "plans" are in my head. I know there is a cost to starting and maintaining a corp. I doubt that I have the capital yet.
what skills do you have to have to get a level II agent?
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It's your standing... you'll need at least 1.1 in faction standing...
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Some shots...
(http://dotdoubledot.com/img/screenshots/bantam_mining.jpg)
(http://dotdoubledot.com/img/screenshots/merlin_mining.jpg)
(http://dotdoubledot.com/img/screenshots/merlin1.jpg)
(http://dotdoubledot.com/img/screenshots/merlin2.jpg)
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Would anyone know of a downloading program that would allow you to stop a download and continue on with a download at a later time without having to resort back to the start?
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GetRight (http://www.getright.com/)
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Ill give it a try. After playing WW2OL for 3 weeks to see if the new ATR patch made things better (it didnt), im up to finding a new game.
I know NOTHING about the game so if any of ye be kind enough to tell me where I should start my character (what space region) so I can be close to you fellas (and pimp you for cash hahaha) let me know.
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Think Ill have to try this again too if this many people like it. Free DL you say?
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Thanks Furious, thats a lifesaver..
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i'll download it too :D
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Wldthing: The Opera browser has it as a built-in feature.
It's also quite much safer than explorer.
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For those new to the game, a shield booster and armor/hull repairer can make all the difference when fighting. You'll want to set them to autorepeat but they will still need to be turned on and then back on after the capacitor fully discharges. You must also keep ships targeted and guns assigned or you'll do nothing but sit there and take hits.