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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BB Gun on June 16, 2004, 04:59:25 PM
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Now, don't laugh, or take this wrongly but...
We get a lot of Russian engineering workers here doing some temp work before they take it home (i.e. outsourced) back to Moscow.
... and 90% of them have HORRENDOUS Body Oder - B.O. so bad that by the end of the day, you can smell it 3 Dilbert-cubes away.
What are the standards for personal hygene in Russia?
Is deodorant just declasse? Is body oder a "Manly smell" and deodorant for girly-men? Or are times hard enough there that deodorant is a luxury, not a necessity? Whats the story?
I don't know any of these guys well enough to ask them the question - its kind of a personal subject, ya know? But here in the comfortably pseudo anonymity of the BBS, its easy to ask. :)
Thanks,
BB
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I got to agree. Many of the Russian males I've encountered have had quite a strong body odour. It's just a part of their culture, I think they just wash rarely and don't use too much deodorant. The Females OTOH often use very strong perfumes and that I find quite disturbing...
This is purely my personal experience and not meant in any disrespect towards Russians, every culture has it's pecularities.
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we had 2 foreign students stay with us about 10 years back..
both smelt unfriendly
really nice guys ..but stink...dam shame seems to be a euro thing...
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Look at it this way:
Lenin's been dead for over 80 years and I bet if you opened the door to his 'dilbert cubicle', you'd still get a whiff.
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I dont understand it either.
No offense of course - I guess its normal over there so they just dont give a ****, but Russians either smell like me after not showering for 6 days or they smell like they just took a bath in cologne.
Disgusting.
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I have read accounts where German soldiers could smell the Russians before they could see them... This was really useful in night battles!
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There is a big Russian community here in my Miami. Personal hygiene isn't a priority with the males or the females. If the wind is right you can smell the underarm funk 30 meters away. I bet you could lay very accurate fire on them in the dark that way.
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This blows...
I'm Russian and I shower three times a day.
My grandfather, on the other hand, has yet to understand the difference between cologne and aftershave.
My parents don't smell at all--at least not of anything associated with the human anatomy.
I think our people are just destined to either turn American or never mate out of their culture again. Just as well, I suppose.
I can drink with the champs though, does that count for anything?
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
This blows...
I'm Russian and I shower three times a day.
My grandfather, on the other hand, has yet to understand the difference between cologne and aftershave.
My parents don't smell at all--at least not of anything associated with the human anatomy.
I think our people are just destined to either turn American or never mate out of their culture again. Just as well, I suppose.
I can drink with the champs though, does that count for anything?
That must be cultural/genetic. I have a client on the North Beach with a house on the water on Biscayne Bay. They commute between NYC and Miami Beach weekly. Typically they spend Friday-Monday here. They have two Russians that live on the premises. The man attends to the many daily requirements of the structure and the grounds. The woman attends to domestic work. Nice people both. The guy was working outside and he had a 1 gallon water cooler set up. I poured myself a cup, it was pure vodka. You never would have guessed it. The guy doesn't stop working, doesn't seem drunk and you don't want to come near enough so you will never smell his breath. I'll bet money his employers don't know.
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Originally posted by BB Gun
Now, don't laugh, or take this wrongly but...
We get a lot of Russian engineering workers here doing some temp work before they take it home (i.e. outsourced) back to Moscow.
... and 90% of them have HORRENDOUS Body Oder - B.O. so bad that by the end of the day, you can smell it 3 Dilbert-cubes away.
What are the standards for personal hygene in Russia?
Is deodorant just declasse? Is body oder a "Manly smell" and deodorant for girly-men? Or are times hard enough there that deodorant is a luxury, not a necessity? Whats the story?
I don't know any of these guys well enough to ask them the question - its kind of a personal subject, ya know? But here in the comfortably pseudo anonymity of the BBS, its easy to ask. :)
Thanks,
BB
You mention Dilbert cubes. Could it be those Russians are working overtime and working hard. Maybe they don't have time to take a bath.
There's no tactful way to tell someone they stink. Maybe if you made friends with them first it would help. Provided you're working just as hard as they are. Probably would be best to bring up the subject while drinking them under the table.:D
Les
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I have read accounts where German soldiers could smell the Russians before they could see them... This was really useful in night battles!
Funny because I have read the exact opposite...in Anthony Beevor's Stalingrad.
German troops apparently had a very dictinctive odor of sweat and leather that you could smell from quite a distance away.
I can provide page references if you like.
As to Boroda responding to this thread...I wouldn't hold your breath. It really doesn't dignify a response.
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Well...
I don't use deodorant, mostly because I don't like people who smell like perfume store. And it feels... uncomfortable. I take shower at least once every two days in cold time of the year (10 months out of 12 here), and every morning if temperature is over +20C. I mean - not just jump under shower and get myself wet, but wash carefully.
I hate people who have strong body odour, especially in the underground, where sometimes you get pressed agaist someone's sweaty fat body...
I wonder why people who work physically usually smell better then office workers.
Another intersting thing that you probably don't know: every year we have hot water turned off for 3 weeks. It's a usual "profilactics" for the pipe system. You know, you can get in a big trouble if water or heating pipes freeze and blow up in winter when it's below -20C. In my flat they will turn hot water back on Monday. I live in the North of Moscow, not far from water "inlet", and cold water is really cold - I can't wash under cold shower when it's about 8-10C. My Father lives almost in the center, near University, and in his flat cold water is 15-20C in Summer, so I can take a cold shower easily. For over two weeks now I have to boil a bucket of water and wash almost like a cat :mad: or go to my Father or some friend who still has hot water. After Monday I expect some guests visiting me to take a bath...
Russian hygienic tradition is really old. Banya (Finns call it Sauna) was a tradition for centuries. Russians went to banya at least once a week when in Europe people were washed twice in their life: when born and after they died. Now banya is more like a social event, having good time.
As for "smell of the Russian soldiers" - try to live in trenches for a month or two without changing your clothes or underwear and without any chance to wash at all. I bet Soviet soldiers could smell nazis too.
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It must be cultural, then.
I shower at least once a day, often twice. I use deoderant daily. Cologne or aftershave sometimes.
I thought everyone in the US did that.
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Boroda, under-arm deodorant today has no smell, its simply prevents you from smelling. Buy some before your associates buy it for you...
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Got to admit that all the russian men I met smelt. I lived with two of them for two weeks, I actually never saw them take a shower.
My 2 french euro cents.
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Originally posted by Curval
As to Boroda responding to this thread...I wouldn't hold your breath. It really doesn't dignify a response.
I am proven wrong on this one.:)
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My assistant is a 24 year old Russian woman that is hot as hell. She doesn't stink at all, can drink beer better the any of the men in the office (me included) and is the harderst worker in the building.
About every month or so I gotta fight off one of the other directors that want to steal her away.
She just got married and is in the process of citizenship and my biggest fear is that she gonna go and get prego.
Boroda..... PLEASE SEND MORE!!!!!!
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It's not "cultural", it's individual. When I say I thake a bath once in two days - I mean that I spend at least 40 minutes in a bathtub. I think you understand that I can't afford it every day and only take a brief shower.
Rip, I used deodorant for many years, came to a conclusion that I'd better keep myself clean. It's my own decision, not enough to make a conclusion that "all Russians don't use deodorants". They are popular here, but I simply don't like it. Some people smell like someone crapped on a flower-bed... :rolleyes:
My worst "hygienic" experience: I went to a hiking-trip to Khibin mountains for 4 weeks, and forgot a toothbrush... I tried all kinds of substitutes, used fingers, chewed wooden sticks, even grass - but still felt horrible. When we finaly came to a hotel in Murmansk - I bought a toothbrush and spent maybe a whole hour brushing my teeth... BTW, washing in the mountain hiking trips is a very special problem. When the water in rivers or lakes is maybe 3-5 degrees over freezing, and it's so soft that it doesn't wash away the soap :) The result looks like a gender-changing without surgery :)
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Man that must be rugged, having to take an ice cold shower. But I bet it feels good afterward (if you don't have a heart attack:) .)
I know a fellow artist who has an outdoor cold shower. He uses it year round because he doesn't have a hot water heater. He built a neat little "house" about 200 sq. ft. loft included.
He goes to the YMCA for a hot shower. He's a neat dude, and the definition of an artist. He makes cool ceramic faces and chickens holding jugs and surfboards and such.:D
Most of his space is devoted to work in the main building, which is adequate, about 900 sq. ft.
But as for me. I'm working on etchings that take 6 months apiece to do. I have a hot shower available, but rarely go anywhere during this time. I bathe about once every four days. I have to if I go out, and it's a hassle. That's the main reason I keep a buzz cut haircut often as I can. It drys fast and feels good until it starts itching after about four days.
Les
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had a couple of the liberated commies pass through my office just yesterday. I paid them no attention but I must say that I did not detect any unpleasant odor within a 5 foot radius of them.
PS I understand they are generating lot of engineering rework and balking at learning english. I think its a mistake but Im anti global to start with. I liked the cold war.
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Originally posted by Yeager
had a couple of the liberated commies pass through my office just yesterday. I paid them no attention but I must say that I did not detect any unpleasant odor within a 5 foot radius of them.
PS I understand they are generating lot of engineering rework and balking at learning english. I think its a mistake but Im anti global to start with. I liked the cold war.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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THanks for responding boroda.
So while its a personal choice, I guess there's not nearly the social stigma attached to it that there is here, so its a lot more common. I assume this because the Moscow residents we import here almost all have the issue. The only ones so far that don't are the ones that have been here for a significant length of time on previous engagements.
I'm not one who likes to "smell nice", I just want to not smell at all. :)
BB
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Originally posted by BB Gun
I'm not one who likes to "smell nice", I just want to not smell at all. :)
BB
C'mon, pellet rifle, we all know your farts smell like KY Jelly.
I keed, I keed :D
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
C'mon, pellet rifle, we all know your farts smell like KY Jelly.
LOL
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It seems to be a matter more of personal choice than anything
else. We used to have a Brit working in our dealership as a tech and man he would get ugly after a couple of days. When asked about it he said bathing more than twice a month was unheathly.
Standing down wind of him after a few days was very unheathy.
Oh and btw I have personally had the displeasure of standing down wind of some rather mal oderious Americans from time to time.
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I have to say I'm impressed with Russian technology. Turning off the water to prevent freezing is genious! When are you going to invent insulation?
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Originally posted by rpm371
I have to say I'm impressed with Russian technology. Turning off the water to prevent freezing is genious! When are you going to invent insulation?
Ok, that was funny.
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Originally posted by rpm371
I have to say I'm impressed with Russian technology. Turning off the water to prevent freezing is genious! When are you going to invent insulation?
Comrade Stalin says, only weak capitalist pig westerners need insulation(or bathing)! Za Rodinu, comrade Boroda! Za Rodinu!! (http://www.russaudit.ru/_LPV/svjaschennaja_vojna.mp3)
(http://www.iisg.nl/~landsberger/images/shav01.jpg)
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I never noticed with my Russian friends or co-workers.
to be fair though only one guy comes by the house and it's hard to give an honest assessment of the co-workers since we usually work in paper-mills. unless you where in extremely tight quarters (and maybe not even then), I doubt you can detect BO in a paper-mill.
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
to be fair though only one guy comes by the house and it's hard to give an honest assessment of the co-workers since we usually work in paper-mills. unless you where in extremely tight quarters (and maybe not even then), I doubt you can detect BO in a paper-mill.
Never been in a paper mill...is there a strong chemical odor or something? Come to think of it, I have no idea how a tree is turned into a monthly phone bill or Wal-mart sale flyer. :D
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I can't imagine not showering or bathing at least once a day. I also can't imagine not using deoderant.
I have forgotton deorderant while traveling a couple times and I felt like GARBAGE without it for even 1/2 day.
BO is sickening.
humans are tough though and they will survive, and even in 3rd world countries like Russia they at least have access to soap.
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Originally posted by Capt. Pork
C'mon, pellet rifle, we all know your farts smell like KY Jelly.
I keed, I keed :D
ROFLMAO
Shut up you. You just wanna be the one making use of it!
BB
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Originally posted by VOR
Never been in a paper mill...is there a strong chemical odor or something? Come to think of it, I have no idea how a tree is turned into a monthly phone bill or Wal-mart sale flyer. :D
lots of nasty chemicals in a mill, acids and caustics for the most part. strong enough that they can turn a 100' tall douglas fir into something you can wipe your butt with, in just a few days.
the general condenses is that paper-mills are one of the worst smelling things ever. and it's not unusual to be able to smell them from over 5 miles away if the wind is right. most people tell me that to them it smells like someone boiling a lot of rotten cabbage.
it must be an acquired aroma, to me they smell like a handful of sweaty hundred dollar bills.
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Yep, pulp/paper mills indeed smell horrible. Although they don't smell nearly as bad as they used to. Maybe there are some new filtrering techniques and/or less nasty chemicals used nowdays?
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In Finland we have a lot of lakes and some of us love to fresh up in a hole in the ice in wintertime. But if you hate cold water you can do this:D
(http://www.tracklogix.fi/rt115/palju_rt.jpg)
The outdoor palju
(http://www.tracklogix.fi/rt115/palju.jpg)
Water temperature 38 degrees and outdoor temperature -10 degrees.
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Originally posted by mora
Yep, pulp/paper mills indeed smell horrible. Although they don't smell nearly as bad as they used to. Maybe there are some new filtrering techniques and/or less nasty chemicals used nowdays?
not much changes in the process, but with the 'clean air act' standards in the 90's they had to put better filtering on the furnaces where they burn the chemicals. and emissions and spillage are monitored much more heavily than they where 15 years ago.
in the 80's they'd just hose a spill down to the storm drains or rinse it off the pavement and let it soak into the dirt. most places have upgraded their environmental standards considerably.
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Originally posted by rpm371
I have to say I'm impressed with Russian technology. Turning off the water to prevent freezing is genious! When are you going to invent insulation?
I wonder what will happen to your piping system if it will be used under -20C for 3 months. You'll suddenly discover many interesting things, like the fact that ice blows the pipes up.
They check and re-seal the pipes, make high pressure tests, etc. JFYI: I don't know about your water system (is it as unreliable as your electrical network? can you drink tap water safely?), but here the pipes are wrapped in thermal insulation that makes pipes look two times thiker.
Any malfunction in Winter can be lethal. I am not ready to heat my flat with oven and firewood or coal. Even the pipes that are 100% OK and checked can freeze if temperature will drop below -40C, and it is quite possible.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I can't imagine not showering or bathing at least once a day. I also can't imagine not using deoderant.
I have forgotton deorderant while traveling a couple times and I felt like GARBAGE without it for even 1/2 day.
BO is sickening.
You mean you need deodorant when you travell? Deodorant while going mountain-hiking?! Deodorant in a 40kg backpack?! Even if you are strong enough to carry all this useless stuff (that I doubt) - you are definetly nuts. Better take some baby-powder, it's more usefull. Seriously.
Originally posted by NUKE
humans are tough though and they will survive, and even in 3rd world countries like Russia they at least have access to soap.
You must be ashamed of your ancestors. Did gold-miners from Jack London's stories use deodorant too?
A person who identifies himself as a "man" and can't live a single day without deodorant? You need a good hiking trip in taiga or mountains above Arctic circle for a month. This is the easiest way to repair your system of values, mr. Good Smelling Civilized Man. :rolleyes: I hope you are tough enough and will survive 30km daily with 40kg backpack without deodorant. This is what we make with a group of school kids.
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Boroda you know Russia sucks, just move away to somewhere nicer like mongolia or bangladesh... ;) <--- edit
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Boroda you know Russia sucks, just move away to somewhere nicer like mongolia or bangladesh... ;) <--- edit
At least there people don't suffer when they can't use deodorant.
Some jokes from hiking folklore:
People who wash when hiking are too lazy to scrach where itches.
Dirt kills germs.
It's not dirt until it's 3 weeks old, and after 3 weeks it falls away by itself.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I wonder what will happen to your piping system if it will be used under -20C for 3 months. You'll suddenly discover many interesting things, like the fact that ice blows the pipes up.
They check and re-seal the pipes, make high pressure tests, etc. JFYI: I don't know about your water system (is it as unreliable as your electrical network? can you drink tap water safely?), but here the pipes are wrapped in thermal insulation that makes pipes look two times thiker.
Any malfunction in Winter can be lethal. I am not ready to heat my flat with oven and firewood or coal. Even the pipes that are 100% OK and checked can freeze if temperature will drop below -40C, and it is quite possible.
Amazing Boroda. We have a place like that called Alaska and I've heard of somewhere called Canada. Oddly enough both places have water year round. I think the difference is in quality of construction.
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(http://jollyrogers.info/CAG44/ensignboroda04.jpg)
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LOL!
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Originally posted by rpm371
Amazing Boroda. We have a place like that called Alaska and I've heard of somewhere called Canada. Oddly enough both places have water year round. I think the difference is in quality of construction.
Comparing Alaska to Moscow (not speaking of Siberia or Urals, where the climate is more continental) is funny.
Next time please suggest to cancell pre-flight aircraft checks - most of the time everything is OK, so why bother?
I don't know why they turn off hot water every summer, and I think they can do all nessesary things in 3 days, but I don't remember a sinlgle time when they turned heating off in winter. This 3 weeks are excluded from my rent payments, so that's probably why they keep it off.
RPM, a citizen of a country that can't run it's electric network reliable enough to avoid blackouts that last for several days and leave 50 million people helpless should better not teach us how to live. So please STFU and go use some deodorant - you sweat too much posting such things.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Comparing Alaska to Moscow (not speaking of Siberia or Urals, where the climate is more continental) is funny.
Next time please suggest to cancell pre-flight aircraft checks - most of the time everything is OK, so why bother?
I don't know why they turn off hot water every summer, and I think they can do all nessesary things in 3 days, but I don't remember a sinlgle time when they turned heating off in winter. This 3 weeks are excluded from my rent payments, so that's probably why they keep it off.
RPM, a citizen of a country that can't run it's electric network reliable enough to avoid blackouts that last for several days and leave 50 million people helpless should better not teach us how to live. So please STFU and go use some deodorant - you sweat too much posting such things.
Get it right Boroda, the "country" doesn't control all the electricity. That was a problem in Kalifornia.
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Originally posted by Boroda
Comparing Alaska to Moscow (not speaking of Siberia or Urals, where the climate is more continental) is funny.
Next time please suggest to cancell pre-flight aircraft checks - most of the time everything is OK, so why bother?
Huh? :confused:
I don't know why they turn off hot water every summer, and I think they can do all nessesary things in 3 days, but I don't remember a sinlgle time when they turned heating off in winter. This 3 weeks are excluded from my rent payments, so that's probably why they keep it off.
That's understandable to do maintence work. Most of us decadent capitalists have our own individual water heater.
RPM, a citizen of a country that can't run it's electric network reliable enough to avoid blackouts that last for several days and leave 50 million people helpless should better not teach us how to live. So please STFU and go use some deodorant - you sweat too much posting such things.
Yep it happens about once every 40 years. Pretty good service record. Altho my power has never been out unless I forgot to pay the bill or some moron cut the line digging a ditch.:)
I don't mean to be insulting Boroda. I just think our way is better.
До скорого свидания.
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RPM, a citizen of a country that can't run it's electric network reliable enough to avoid blackouts that last for several days and leave 50 million people helpless should better not teach us how to live. So please STFU and go use some deodorant - you sweat too much posting such things.
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the system was fine, it was deliberately attacked by criminals.
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Originally posted by Boroda
You mean you need deodorant when you travell? Deodorant while going mountain-hiking?! Deodorant in a 40kg backpack?! Even if you are strong enough to carry all this useless stuff (that I doubt) - you are definetly nuts. Better take some baby-powder, it's more usefull. Seriously.
LOL, who was talking about hiking? Even so, you can't carry a .65 ounce package of deoderant? I guess that would be too much of a load my, stinky friend :lol
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Originally posted by capt. apathy
the system was fine, it was deliberately attacked by criminals.
Good thing they were voted out of office.
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Originally posted by Boroda
You mean you need deodorant when you travell? Deodorant while going mountain-hiking?! Deodorant in a 40kg backpack?! Even if you are strong enough to carry all this useless stuff (that I doubt) - you are definetly nuts. Better take some baby-powder, it's more usefull. Seriously.
You may find it interesting that every american soldier carries with him deordorant, as well as soap, razor, shaving cream, toothpaste, toothbrush and sometimes babywipes. And each field ration has a packeged moist paper towel.
When hot rations are served there is a wash station at the begining of the chow line and there is a soldier stationed there, usually the medic, to make sure that everybody washes before they get food.
I just allways assumed that russian soldiers carried deodorant too.
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Originally posted by Suave
You may find it interesting that every american soldier carries with him deordorant, as well as soap, razor, shaving cream, toothpaste, toothbrush and sometimes babywipes. And each field ration has a packeged moist paper towel.
When hot rations are served there is a wash station at the begining of the chow line and there is a soldier stationed there, usually the medic, to make sure that everybody washes before they get food.
I just allways assumed that russian soldiers carried deodorant too.
There is toilet paper and wipes in new field rations IIRC. But there are no such stupid things as chewing gum. I doubt that any sane soldier carries deodorant with him. Soap, razor and toothbrush is what everybody has. But deodorant in the field?...
If deodorants you mentioned are anti-perspirants that don't let your body sweat where applied - they can be dangerous under heavy physicall work. If I had some extra weight to carry in my backpack - I'd better take some baby powder then deodorant.
There are some situations when washing is impossible, and soldiers need to be fed...
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Boroda is right when it comes to deodorant in the army. I never used deodorant there but baby powder was indeed necessary.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I wonder what will happen to your piping system if it will be used under -20C for 3 months. You'll suddenly discover many interesting things, like the fact that ice blows the pipes up.
They check and re-seal the pipes, make high pressure tests, etc. JFYI: I don't know about your water system (is it as unreliable as your electrical network? can you drink tap water safely?), but here the pipes are wrapped in thermal insulation that makes pipes look two times thiker.
Any malfunction in Winter can be lethal. I am not ready to heat my flat with oven and firewood or coal. Even the pipes that are 100% OK and checked can freeze if temperature will drop below -40C, and it is quite possible.
Yup. I guess some have very little or no understanding of what cold weather is. :)
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Originally posted by SASMOX
In Finland we have a lot of lakes and some of us love to fresh up in a hole in the ice in wintertime. But if you hate cold water you can do this:D
(http://www.tracklogix.fi/rt115/palju_rt.jpg)
The outdoor palju
(http://www.tracklogix.fi/rt115/palju.jpg)
Water temperature 38 degrees and outdoor temperature -10 degrees.
That looks like a bunch of really "happy" fellows.
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looks like someone took a dump in that water....it has a funny brown'ish colour me thinks.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I doubt that any sane soldier carries deodorant with him.
I'm surprised that you think so, but it's the truth boroda. You can ask other american's who served in the US army if you don't believe me. In the field we used to tease our friends of mexican heritage saying that we were taking a mexican shower as we put deoderant on in the morning. In any given company there are at least as many sticks of deoderant as there are soldiers, if not more.
In garrison especially, any soldier that does not use deoderant is quickly confronted by his fellow soldiers. In the US army hygiene, including deoderant is mandatory and enforced. Ask any US soldier or marine what a "GI shower" is.
I cannot believe that this is unique to North Americans.
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Last i checked most of Europe not just russia dont like bathing.
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Last i checked most of Europe not just russia dont like bathing.
:rofl :lol :aok :rolleyes: :mad: :eek: :cool: :D :)
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Boroda, our capitalistic fools have built piping _network_, which means that if one piece of it is taken down for inspection, it doesent mean that our capitol will be without hot water.
Ie. couple of years back they had to reinforce the main fresh water supply tunnels. Only difference consumers noticed was the slight change in the taste of the water as they switched to backup supply. Oh and our central heating and tap water is 2 separate systems, guess thats why i dont eat 2 grams of rust drinking it as i did in St.Petersburg. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by YUCCA
Last i checked most of Europe not just russia dont like bathing.
Actually some language like French have no equivalent of the words : Bath ,shower and soap
:rolleyes: <= I had to put this :)
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Originally posted by Tuomio
Boroda, our capitalistic fools have built piping _network_, which means that if one piece of it is taken down for inspection, it doesent mean that our capitol will be without hot water.
Ie. couple of years back they had to reinforce the main fresh water supply tunnels. Only difference consumers noticed was the slight change in the taste of the water as they switched to backup supply. Oh and our central heating and tap water is 2 separate systems, guess thats why i dont eat 2 grams of rust drinking it as i did in St.Petersburg. :rolleyes:
Well, I entered this stupid thread just to tell some ignorant people about how the things here really are.
Central heating and hot water are separate systems everywhere. Leningrad has some problems with piping, in some districts it was made in Khruschev's times, and it's really rusty... Maybe because of a condition of water - it's too soft. I had bat times getting used to tap water in Moscow, my body got accustomed to some rust ;) Before mass-construction home building (mid-60s) you could get a small live fish out of your tap...
Helsinki is maybe 10-15 times smaller then Moscow. And here we don't have hot water turned off everywhere at the same time. BTW, they turned it on 3 days before schedule in my house, and I already had guests who came to wash ;)
We have a monopoly on such things as heating and water supply, a heritage from Soviet times. I am sure they can do all the nessesary things in 3 days instead of 3 weeks, but it's the way it goes here :( Another funny thing: they never turn off hot water in American embassy. But in Cuban or Bulgarian embassies they turn it off :)
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perfume is for women. cologne / aftershave is perfume, and a rose by any other name...
Seems some of you have been buffaloed by those Old Spice or Aqua velva commercials...you won't ride a horse any better, and some super model damn sure ain't gonna be jockin ya, either.
"There's one born every minute....":lol :rolleyes: :rolleyes: