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Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Ecke-109- on June 17, 2004, 12:41:02 PM: It should be ready now. It took four damn long days. Thanks god i am a single. :D
Please tell me if there are changes needed.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/29_1087491502_ahss0copy.jpg)

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/29_1087491548_ahss1copy.jpg)

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/29_1087491597_ahss2copy.jpg)

One thing is left. At the underside of the nose there is a marking. It starts with: 'Vorsicht beim öffnen...' or so.
Can anyone help me out with this?
Maybe a ready to use file or a link?
Thanks in advance

Ecke
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Replicant on June 17, 2004, 01:41:37 PM: Only thing wrong with it is that it's not on fire! :)

Seriously, it looks great Ecke! :) It looks a little orangey on my screen, but that could be me!
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: frank3 on June 17, 2004, 01:45:01 PM: it is you
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Ecke-109- on June 17, 2004, 01:46:04 PM: Thanks Nexx,
this should be RLM 79.
Title: Re: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: wasq on June 17, 2004, 02:55:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ecke-109-

One thing is left. At the underside of the nose there is a marking. It starts with: 'Vorsicht beim öffnen...' or so.
Can anyone help me out with this?
Maybe a ready to use file or a link?
Thanks in advance

Ecke

Great skin!

Here's (http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=106955) the previous discussion about the text on a Bf109G: "Vorsicht beim Öffnen. Kühler ist im Haubenteil eingebaut."

[edit]Better picture:[/edit]
(http://www.vaskuu.cx/albums/ksim/5_6_2004_16_12_11.sized.jpg) (http://www.vaskuu.cx/albums/ksim/5_6_2004_16_12_11.jpg)
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: _Schadenfreude_ on June 17, 2004, 03:07:54 PM: damn nice, girlfriend loss is our gain!
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Ecke-109- on June 17, 2004, 03:24:32 PM: Wasq,
thanks a lot.
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Wotan on June 17, 2004, 03:54:34 PM: Quick Critique... :)

There's no "wheel" bumps on the F-4. Some G-2s had them as well but these came with the larger wheels.

Here is an overhead of the F4 (linked due to size.)

http://www.jiop.fi/ksimuseo/bf109f4up_36.jpg

Also the oil cap needs to be moved down some. Here's a side profile:

http://www.jiop.fi/ksimuseo/bf109f4side1_35.jpg

As you probably noticed the panel under the canopy of the F4 bmp mirrors on both sides. On the G6 bmp this doesn’t mirror.

On the F4 the fuel hatch is rather large but it’s only on the left. I cheated a little bit and made it a bit smaller and less "bold". Look at the profile above to see how large the fuel hatch is.

Here is a link to one of my F4s

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/334_1086086684_iiijg2f41.jpg

Also I can’t tell by your SS but the large round hatch below and to the rear of the fuel cap (1st panel aft of the cockpit). This was attached with 8 bolts.

Looks great otherwise S!

FYI to the LW skinners...

Kweassa's already turned in 2 desert 109F's already. With Ecke's that 3 of 15. There's a few winter camos I have seen underway various stages of completion. There's 1 winter skin in game with quite a few errors. We need some way to critique each others work and to keep track of who’s doing what to get the best selection available. So please post some shots before submitting.

There's large variety of 109s and in particular "colorful" F4s that could be done. With winter and desert schemes there’s only so much variety we can get.

As a LW "skinner" I would just ask that before each of us starts a project we consider how few slots there actually are. The more variety the better.
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Ecke-109- on June 17, 2004, 04:23:53 PM: Thanks Wotan,
i am no expert in skinning and how the details were in real life.
So i appreciate this input very much.

Ecke
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Replicant on June 17, 2004, 04:26:16 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wotan
As a LW "skinner" I would just ask that before each of us starts a project we consider how few slots there actually are. The more variety the better.

I don't think the slots are an issue to a certain degree. I understand that any new skin will be considered even if all 15 slots have been used up. It will be assessed and if deemed to be of better quality than one of the existing 15 skins, then it will be accepted and replace one of those 15 skins (of lowest quality or maybe similar design).

This will mean that people can continue to work on skins indefinitely. Of course some planes will have more skins submitted than others and I agree, variation is the key for a particular plane type.

I'm sure that as soon as all 15 skins are filled up it might put off people creating new skins anyway so I can't see a major problem in future.

BTW Is anyone doing the skin of Black 6 109G6 that is at RAF Museum Hendon?
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: 13Promet on June 17, 2004, 04:50:54 PM: Very nice job ecke !!!
I love that camo :aok

My only criticism: the black smoke trail out of the radiator intake could only be due to a very bad oil leak.
If no oil leak out of the radiator, there should be no particular trail out of the intake (air only goes through the radiator, nothing burnt comes out of it in physiological situation ).
That's more similar to what comes out of exhaust pipes.

WTG ;)

Promet
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Wotan on June 17, 2004, 04:53:03 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ecke-109-
Thanks Wotan,
i am no expert in skinning and how the details were in real life.
So i appreciate this input very much.

Ecke

It looks real good btw. I hope you keep at it. S!

Quote
Black 6 109G6 that is at RAF Museum Hendon

That’s a G-2 and Furball has given me many pictures of it. I am about 45% done but have been taking my time because there’s such a back log in the others skins I sent in. I will post pictures soon.

I am not so much talking about better quality as I am historically accuracy and redundancy.

Pyro and HT or whoever will be deciding which skin gets loaded has to review each. We could make their job easier through peer review.

We could also reduce redundancy by sharing what projects we are working on. I would think that there's only so many desert or winter skins per plane. Especially since most are so similar.

If there are 5 guys working on a desert skin it may be a good idea for the 6th guy to go a different direction.
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Ecke-109- on June 17, 2004, 05:08:26 PM: Thanks for your support,
makes it worth to spend all that hours. :)

@Promet
This is where i got my inspiration. But maybe i should make it a bit brighter.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/29_1086999368_nn644.jpg)

hmmm...when i think it over....maybe the RAF wasnt able to repair this bird properly?:D
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Stratocaster on June 17, 2004, 05:08:28 PM: hey ecke looks beutiful............. and sorry about that message board post got out of hand..
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Ecke-109- on June 17, 2004, 05:15:35 PM: Hey 68Strat,
i am sorry too. Better for me to bite on my tongue instead of writing too fast.
Its always good to shake hands after a glitch. :)

Ecke
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: GRUNHERZ on June 17, 2004, 05:18:54 PM: The Brits never cleaned their own planes, let alone captured enemy stuff. The bottoms of spits and hurris are filthy...

So yea you could clean most of that off. :)

Of course get rid of the wing top bulges.

Also eliminate the two black rectangulat spent ammo chutes behind the oil cooler, those only appeared on 109g6 and above.
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Citabria on June 17, 2004, 05:21:23 PM: love it submit it
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Replicant on June 17, 2004, 05:27:05 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wotan
That’s a G-2 and Furball has given me many pictures of it. I am about 45% done but have been taking my time because there’s such a back log in the others skins I sent in. I will post pictures soon.
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Doh, can never remember whether it's a G2 or G6. I have quite a few piccies of Black 6 as well if they're of any use, unless Furby has already supplied you with them?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1087510952_109e1.jpg)

Although you can't read on image, what's written around the circle behind the canopy? (before Black 6)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1087510985_109b1.jpg)

Quote

I am not so much talking about better quality as I am historically accuracy and redundancy.

Pyro and HT or whoever will be deciding which skin gets loaded has to review each. We could make their job easier through peer review.

We could also reduce redundancy by sharing what projects we are working on. I would think that there's only so many desert or winter skins per plane. Especially since most are so similar.

If there are 5 guys working on a desert skin it may be a good idea for the 6th guy to go a different direction.

Well it would make sense to discuss which skin is needed before work/submission. At least you get variety that way. Have you seen the P51D skins in AH2? They're all very pretty but I was somewhat disappointed that some were of the same Fighter Group and therefore very similar colours/markings - no variety. That's what my main concern is with other skins for other aircraft and at least by deciding what is needed 109 wise you are going to get that variety.
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Wotan on June 17, 2004, 05:33:32 PM: Quote
Well it would make sense to discuss which skin is needed before work/submission. At least you get variety that way. Have you seen the P51D skins in AH2? They're all very pretty but I was somewhat disappointed that some were of the same Fighter Group and therefore very similar colours/markings - no variety. That's what my main concern is with other skins for other aircraft and at least by deciding what is needed 109 wise you are going to get that variety.

I agree. I could do a whole squadron but they would be so similiar it wouldn't make sense. I will only do 2 for each plane I plan on skinning and try to chose different schemes.

On Black 6,

If you have close up shots of the various stencils that would be great...
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Replicant on June 17, 2004, 06:03:08 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wotan

If you have close up shots of the various stencils that would be great...

Looks like I've deleted some, but I managed to find these if they're any good?

Only appears on Port side
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1087512803_109g2b.jpg)

Appears on both sides, lower leading edge infront of undercarriage bay
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1087512826_109g2c.jpg)

Port Side - All three ? ? ? appear on both sides
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1087512775_109g2a.jpg)

Starboard side only
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1087513175_109g2d.jpg)

Engine/airframe plate? Port side only
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/44_1087513223_109g2e.jpg)
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Edbert on June 17, 2004, 07:06:51 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Wotan

We need some way to critique each others work and to keep track of who’s doing what to get the best selection available. So please post some shots before submitting.

Give me some tips on the "yellow 10" thread please. Ecke already helped me out.
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Ecke-109- on June 18, 2004, 07:20:12 AM: Nexx,
what you tried to decipher as 'Bauetstoff für A', probably means 'Sauerstoff für Atemmaske'

For those which are interested, look at the bottom of the site:
http://www.luftarchiv.de/luftwaffe/kennz.htm (http://www.luftarchiv.de/luftwaffe/kennz.htm)
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Replicant on June 18, 2004, 07:21:36 AM: Quote
Originally posted by Ecke-109-
Nexx,
what you tried to decipher as 'Bauetstoff für A', probably means 'Sauerstoff für Atemmaske'

For those which are interested, look at the bottom of the site:
http://www.luftarchiv.de/luftwaffe/kennz.htm (http://www.luftarchiv.de/luftwaffe/kennz.htm)

Thanks Ecke, I was trying to zoom in on the text but it's pretty difficult, especially when my German is rubbish! :)
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Ecke-109- on June 18, 2004, 08:53:35 AM: Can someone tell me the name of the fonts used on wasq's pic?
Or somebody have it and can send it to me?
Searching without any hint is frustrating.

Ecke
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Wotan on June 18, 2004, 09:16:26 AM: http://www.ah-skins.com/index.php?site=list_templates.php

Follow the link and DL Kweassa's G10 template. He already has the stencil made.

The "font" varied between aircraft. Most F's I have seen have had the stencil over a white / grey back ground. See the black 6 image above...
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Ecke-109- on June 18, 2004, 09:55:02 AM: Thank you,

and also thanks to Kweassa. You made impressing templates.
Everything is so well arranged and structured. Now i can go back to my own ugly looking ones and go on painting.:)

Ecke
Title: 109F4 Skin dessert camo; Have a look pls and tell me if something is wrong
Post by: Overlag on June 19, 2004, 10:24:07 PM: i like it....although the brown looks alittle funny...not sure what it needs...lighter? darker? hmm not sure :confused: